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End of Year Tour: Scotland (0) v South Africa (28) F/T


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 17 Nov 2013 at 15:46
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The Boks head to Murrayfield today to take on Scotland.

Kick off in Edinburgh is at 5pm South African time.

Scotland: 15 Sean Maitland, 14 Tommy Seymour, 13 Nick De Luca, 12 Duncan Taylor, 11 Sean Lamont, 10 Ruaridh Jackson, 9 Greig Laidlaw (captain), 8 David Denton, 7 John Barclay, 6 Alasdair Strokosch, 5 Jim Hamilton, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Moray Low, 2 Ross Ford, 1 Alasdair Dickinson.
Replacements: 16 Scott Lawson, 17 Ryan Grant, 18 Geoff Cross, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 John Beattie, 21 Chris Cusiter, 22 Duncan Weir, 23 Max Evans.

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux: 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain) 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Gurthrö Steenkamp.
Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Tendai Mtawarira, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Eben Etzebeth, 20 Marcell Coetzee, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 Morné Steyn, 23 JJ Engelbrecht.



95 Comments

  • GO BOKKE

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.11.13 17:11:56 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • By just doing basics Boks can put 50+ on the board

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.11.13 17:14:30 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • le Roux is a god!

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.11.13 17:36:26 by klempie Reply

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  • Poor reffing of the breakdown.

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.11.13 18:17:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : Poor reffing? None existent reffing at the breakdown. The ref didn’t have and ffing clue. Marcell’s yellow card was a good example, ball was made available cleared quickly and yet Marcell lying under the tackled player didn’t roll away, he was in no way stopping the ball from doing anything, never mind being made available. Much like Bizzie’s dangerous tackle. The French couldn’t ref a scrabble match.

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.11.13 20:48:09 by markp Reply

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  • A surprisingly entertaining game from South Africa on a rubbish field in rubbish weather. Kudos to the Scots for their defence. The TMO conversation at the end of the game was hilarious. Hope Flouw is okay!

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.11.13 21:24:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : yeah what a rubbish field. Was at the game and half time a bunch of guys came out with pitch forks in a feeble attempt at repairing it. I’ve heard that Flow is ok and could well be available for the next test.

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.11.13 21:40:00 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Blue Bulls rugby…

    If our back-line looked pedestrian ,our game plan is to blame. Before the WP crew jump down my throat for defending Lambie ,I would like to ask them if our midfield looked enterprising at all?No ,we can’t put together good back play with the game plan we use.
    28 nil…we could have put 50+ on them.

    Nick Mallet summed up my thoughts ,and probably echoed the exact words I’ve said here on some thread; Meyer’s game plan is good enough to get us to 2nd in the world, by virtue of our player base and the fact that it isn’t complicated ,but will it get us to first? I get the feeling that Meyer fan boys(BB Fans)would rather see their teams game-plan/players used than see the Springboks get to the top of the World.

    Here I was getting all patriotic again ,because I thought we were moving towards the light.

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.11.13 23:10:08 by Talent Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : Flouw was absolutely fine, I saw him walk out after the match and he said he was fine for next week and that was all precautionary! :smile:

    Was a good atmosphere at the match, bloody cold though.

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.11.13 02:14:33 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 8) : yeah I’m afraid the Bok game plam calls for a brain dead fh. Lambie’s strength is his ability to think.

    With the Boks it’s only the scrumhalf that’s allowed to think, which is why HM can’t put a game plan together without FdP.

    Lambie’s best will only ever be on display for the Sharks.

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.11.13 06:25:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I thought Lambie had a great game. there wasnt much space to work with, with the scots shooting up in defence, but he took control, took sound options, was very accurate. so we didnt distroy the scotts, on that field with out gameplan it was never going to happen. This is the way the Boks have been playing forever btw… especially when we were winning.

    Would I like to see more inovation and expansive play, sure, but with the Boks it also seems to come with their ability to put up good wins against stronger teams.

    This is how the Boks play. If we were more clinical in thay first half, where a couple of silly passes and knock ons cost us, we could have scored a few more times.

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.11.13 08:05:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • I thought the Boks did very well. We have struggled against the spoiling tactics of the Scots in recent games so thats why Meyer kept things very tight on attack and even defense forced them back to the middle. This meant the Scots did really have a chance of a break away try or something silly to get them back in the game. This game was just about the win not the scoreline. We did score 4 tries in a test so cant complain really. we definitely can complain about the pitch though- shocking!! NH stadiums will have to start transforming their grounds to artificial surfaces like Saracens or its going to be a joke at the World Cup.

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.11.13 08:09:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I tell you what Lambie made a huge number of tackles in that game!

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.11.13 08:22:41 by Half-Pint Reply

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  • Firstly its the same fkn game plan j white used to win the worldcup; the same fkn game plan p divvy used to beat the AB 3/0 and the BILions; the same fkn game plan the bulls won 3 superrugby trophies!!!!…..u never gonna out run the AB!!!! Win the s15 with running rugby then talk!!!!! That was a great win for the boks on that k@k pitch!!! O yes and I thought m coetzee played well when he came on!!!

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.11.13 08:46:04 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 14) : Agreed! Coetzee looked like a man playing for/ his place. He was everywhere and should never have been carded. If the ref is going to send him off then half the Scottish forwards should have been in the bin. Surely the IRB has to do something about the states of the field in Wales and Scotland. And I dont think France is much better

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.11.13 08:51:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : U could see every time the guys tried to run the just gave way under their feet……it sucks…..cause the score could have been bigger!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.11.13 08:55:35 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 16) : Im just surprised there werent more injuries at scrum time as the ground just gave way. Its really not acceptable for internationals. I think they just need to accept the facts and move to artificial pitches like Saracens.

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.11.13 08:57:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 14) :

    I agree, the Boks are never good when they go for an all out running game. Especially not in this weather and pitch under foot and especially not with the negative way the Scots again approached the game. We won 28 – 0 and the opposition was never in the game. That’s bloody brilliant in my book. Lets just also see what we can do against the French, I think the same type of game against the French could possibly give us an even better win.

    They don’t like being strangled like that.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.11.13 09:24:13 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 18) : The french will probably target us in the scrums cause it sounds like malherbe is out, and I don’t rate coenie as a TH. Sounds like fdp is also out, don’t rate ruan either. Jfourie has not impress so far, but u
    can’t drop him now. Question is with morne back at 10, who will play 15…..lambie or willie??

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.11.13 09:37:47 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 19) :

    So I suppose Adriaanse will cover this bench this time? Coennie looked ok against the Scots, I mean I didn’t notice him and our scrums looks strong enough, which I suppose is a good thing. I don’t know why Heyneke wants him at tighthead so badly, when he’s already a good loosehead? Adriaanse will be a solid back-up if Coenie struggles, that is if HM doesn’t decide to use Guthrow as tighthead cover.

    I don’t understand why HM would have played FDp when he knew he would have to release him back to his club after the Scotland game? Surely you’d want another scrummy to get gametime before the French game?

    I would say J Fourie fits the kick and chase/ defensive game plan. I don’t think he did much wrong on Saturday, as there wasn’t that much for the backs to do, but I can also not see how JJ would have been any worse.

    Morne will start, but Lambie has to be the flyhalf cover and remain that and only that, it’s not good for any player to moved around the backline like that. Willie is an excellent player, he needs to stay and 15 and develop and round his game as a Bok 15.

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.11.13 09:59:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • Yes I like our back three; loosetrio and frontrow…..even our reserves for those three areas is looking good. The locks are good and the pecking order will sort themselves out as we get closer to 2015. 9-10-13 still got some way to go, but its not all bad. Bokke actually looks very good!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.11.13 10:10:19 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • I wouldn’t like to be in HM’s shoes having to choose between Lambie or LeRoux at Fullback… I think Lambie is by far the better defender but LeRoux brings that “x-factor”.

    I guess come WC time he will make his choice easier by just choosing Kirchner :shock:

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.11.13 10:22:37 by CS Reply

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  • Lambie doesn’t help his cause for Flyhalf by missing sitter kicks every few games… it’s almost like he looses concentration or something?

    I still remember him missing his first ever kick as a Springbok, right in front of the posts :shock:

    The problem is… Lambie is good, very good… but to unseat the incumbent he needs to be brilliant, ALL the time… and he just isn’t getting that right. It’s unfair, but that’s the way it is I guess.

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.11.13 10:25:09 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 23) :

    I don’t think it is unfair when Morne is in form. You don’t just drop a player who’s been doing a job for his country for 4 years. Last year Morne was in horrible form though and HM just didn’t want to drop him. That should never happen, if someone is ready to take the incumbents place and the incumbent is playing horrible rugby, there should be no hesitation.

    This year, Morne was back to his better form, but HM should still have given his second choice game time whenever he could. If you give both players game time, at some point you might just feel it is time for the incumbent to step aside and make room for the new generation.

    I don’t think it’s always just a you’re out his in situation. When the experienced player is still playing well, you mostly find that coaches have a hard time letting go.

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.11.13 10:31:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) :

    Some coaches don’t even just have a hard time letting go, some even have a hard time not bringing all the oldies out of retirement. I’m still waiting for the News that John Smit now has to choose between CEO of the Sharks or, Captain of the Springboks.

    Oh and someone mentioned that HM still has to make the call to Percy Montgomery (he was really influential in the Jake era).

    If HM then gets Piere back from injury and calls back Danie Rossouw and Schalk Burger and Juan Smith, we’ll have a complete team.

    HM should have been working on building depth since he started as coach. Why doesn’t he have proper back-up at lock yet, or tighthead, or scrumhalf, centre? He hasn’t been willing to back any players there. He is still hoping for the whole 2007 and some of the 2011 WC team to pitch up at his door ready to play.

    Why start Jannie in every single game when you know there is no backup for him yet?

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.11.13 10:38:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 25) : That is why we will struggle to catch up with the All Blacks. They work on building backup in all positions. The younger players do get exposure at this level, and should a stalwart like Carter / McCaw get injured or loose form, someone can just step in and take his place. That someone is comfortable in the team setup, and it is generally business as usual.

    HM refused to sub Morne this year – even when we were demolishing Australia and the Argies. I must say I do like his handling of Strauss and Bismarck – would just like that approach in a few more positions.

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.11.13 10:46:35 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 14) : Oh what ever ,Jake White did NOT use this game plan and PDV used it to some extent but still allowed backline play to be free flowing and quick.

    Yesterday we played 9 man Rugby .Now please just go bury yourself in a bag of biltong .Your myopic view point and biased stance on things just pisses me off.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.11.13 10:47:10 by Talent Reply
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  • The truth is there is a double standard when it comes to Morne and Lambie. Naas summed it up “you cant play him if he doesnt make his kicks” but you can play Morne if he misses every tackle that comes his way and is piss poor in general play ?

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.11.13 10:49:06 by Talent Reply
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  • Putrid display of tactics last night, too one dynamic and unimaginative.

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.11.13 10:52:11 by Talent Reply
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  • Well to be fair HM did drop morne for the end of year tour last year, but he came back in the s15. Made a average bulls team better than they were. Morne did it a couple of times, so did carter and cooper when the reds won it,cruden runs the show at the chiefs, but lambie plays for a good team but no one really talks about him before the s15 tournament as the guy to lookout for….lambie got lots of potential, he just need to live up to it now…..

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.11.13 10:52:32 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 29) : All u do is complain…..nothing positive comes out of ur mouth….a real cape crusader!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.11.13 10:57:47 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 28) : in a kiwi context this would be like who is the better player: andrew mehrtens or carlos spnecer?
    Spencer brought x-factor but wasnt the most reliable goal kicker.
    Mehrtens was a liability on defence but was a master goal and tactical kicker.
    Who did the all blacks go to most of the time to fill the flyhalf position ?

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.11.13 10:58:31 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 30) : I personally think he did that more to please the fans against his own wishes.

    In the current Bok setup with FdP at 9 (and Ruan trying to be FdP), the role of 10 is to kick the goals, clear his line, handle the kickoffs, pass the ball to crash ball 12, support the full back in returning kicks. Making his tackles seems to be a bonus.

    In that respect Morne being the bankable kicker is clearly first choice. Until Lambie can get an above 85% success rate in test matches, he won’t challenge Morne.

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.11.13 11:03:08 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 32) :

    But carlos was not just a bad goal kicker, he was also a shitty defender and at times his attack was better for the opposition than for the all blacks. His moments of brilliance was always evened out by a brain fart or two.

    The only thing Lambie has to work on is his kicking of the tee. It looks as though he’s been doing that.

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.11.13 11:04:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 32) : That is so true…..mehrtens was just a kicking flyhalf and the AB picked him far more than carlos. The aussies pick cooper who looks very good against weak teams and they put up big scores, but against good teams their running flyhalf are useless!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.11.13 11:07:08 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 31) : I was warming to Meyer ,I had thought he was getting things going. But I cant support that game plan…

    @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 32) : I was to young to remember ,and Im not concerned enough to google it.

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.11.13 11:09:12 by Talent Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 33) : Spot on.

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.11.13 11:10:28 by Talent Reply
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  • Boks did well. Shyte surface, poor ref, poor conditions, plenty ‘new’ combinations still finding their feet, 14 men for 10 min and still nilled the Scots. :cool:

    And Lambie even showing off with a trick shot making the ball bounce on the crossbar before going over. Lets see Steyn do that. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.11.13 11:13:26 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 31) : I actually empathize with the Cape Saders now, if this is the type of Rugby we were exposed to during the years of isolation. :lol: No wonder they went awol :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.11.13 11:14:39 by Talent Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : I think the ref started looking forward to his wife’s home cooking when he smelled the garlic on the turf. Probably explains why he was clueless at the breakdown.

    However I do think the TMO was busy tucking into Scotland’s finest when being called upon. First time I have heard of a kock-on towards your own goal line. Correct decision in the end – wrong choice of words.

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.11.13 11:18:37 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Our best 1st reciever yesterday was -Willem Alberts. He should be wearing the 10 :lol:

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.11.13 11:18:43 by Talent Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 40) : Did Habana not push the ball over the dead ball line? Not sure it was a knock on…

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.11.13 11:19:46 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 42) : That was why I say scrum blue = correct decision as the ball was carried back, but no knock-on. The ref hearing knock-on first awarded the scrum to the Boks since only the Scot could have knocked on.

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.11.13 11:21:41 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) : Ye ,it was a rather comical moment :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.11.13 11:23:21 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 39) : sa had brilliant backs back in the 80′s : carel dp on the left wing,danie gerber at 13,400m sa record holder on the right wing,michael dp at 12.there is a reason why the ’87 kiwi team that won the wc was hailed as being so far ahead of the rest of world rugby: the lessons they learnt from the smashing many of those players took in ’86 with the nz cavaliers.

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.11.13 11:25:58 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • All u naysayers can say what u want my team got two great wins so far on tour, and both wins come on horrible pitches. I am worried about france though…..but will support the bokke nomatter what!!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.11.13 11:31:03 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • When my team win the worldcup I will rub it in ur AB supporter faces……lol

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.11.13 11:32:51 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 47) : If there is one thing I so badly want to do it is rub a victory in the SA All Blacks supporters faces. Sadly I really dont see this happening any time soon. We are falling so far behind with our same old, same old that our rugga is now taking on the persona of the stereotypical dof Saffa inhabiting the world. :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.11.13 12:02:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) : handling skills and decision-making.we need to get all players comfortable with the ball and be able to perform different passes.our kick-offs also need attention.need to mix it up,keep the opposition guessing.although i would really just like to see a bok team kick-off once during a test :-D

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.11.13 12:10:23 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 47) : :lol: where you come from?

    You think I support the AB’s just because I don’t like the way the Boks are playing? If the Boks manage to beat the AB’s(home and away) ,win a world cup and a tri-nations -ill eat my words. Will that ever happen? Will we ever get to that number 1 spot?hmmm

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.11.13 12:28:11 by Talent Reply
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  • Will we ever beat the All Blacks under Meyer?

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 14) :

    AMEN!!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.11.13 12:32:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 29) :

    Dude, all you ever do is complain!!

    The Boks won the RWC in 2007 by playing possession rugby and certainly didn’t play attractive running rugby.

    You need to get over yourself and either support the team or shut the hell up!! :roll:

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.11.13 12:36:31 by wpw Reply
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  • Such generic terms thrown around here ,”Running Rugby”…who ever asked for that?

    We’ve only ever asked for a balanced game. If Meyer gets rid of the 9 to 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 as majority play and tightens up his defensive structures I could well see us being contenders at the next world cup. As it stands we are to slow, dumb, inaccurate and one dimensional. We wont beat the All Blacks playing such a simple game plan. We wont beat them with players who don’t tackle…

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.11.13 12:39:58 by Talent Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 53) : I hate complaining so much :cry:

    Go watch the 07 RWC again and see how many tries we scored. That was the epitome of a balanced game.

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.11.13 12:43:40 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 54) : fitness needs work.the abs seem to be the fittest team in world rugby.
    Work on the handling skills and decision-making.
    Defence is a problem.needs urgent attention.
    Once we have fitter players (support play) who can perform various passes and catch those passes and know when to make the right pass (decision-making),we will beat abs with “running rugby”.

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.11.13 12:49:40 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • Its funny…..before the 07 worldcup certain people also said we won’t win the worldcup…..here we go again!! Over the last 10 years or so our rugby haven’t change and probably never will…..so get on board or shh!

  • Comment 57, posted at 18.11.13 12:53:34 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • But then again,what if we have a dominating scrum and line-out and a scrummie who fires passes further and faster than rob du preez?with a fh that could knock over drops from even 50m out,no problem.
    Lets say 12 possesions in opponents half and fh kicks 9 drops (thats 75% ),but is 27 points on the board.now can our defence stop the other team from scoring less?what if we had a gameplan like that and the players to execute the gameplan?

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.11.13 12:56:22 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • Bokke won 28-0 and all u do is moan!! Do u know what the word supporter means? Give the guys some slack, that pitch didn’t allow for much running. I’m not a big coetzee fan, but the guy had a really good game. So did most of them…..

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.11.13 13:00:04 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 59) : yes,that field was a mess and the rain didnt help much either.

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.11.13 13:05:54 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 51) : Well we are 0/4 and we haven’t looked as if we could get close to them in those 4 so Im not holding my breath.

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.11.13 13:12:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 57) : yes,and if the boks didnt have players like frans steyn,bekker,juan smith and bakkies not available for that aus wc qf ’11,perhaps the refereeing wouldnt have even come into it.

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.11.13 13:16:44 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • How is defence a problem? We’ve not conceded a single try on tour so far.

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.11.13 13:17:40 by McLovin Reply

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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 56) : Agreed ,but im not sure if its fitness so much as speed. The All Blacks dont have a “fetch” ,they turn down capable Louw/Brussow players like Todd for quicker, to the ball players like Sam Cane.

    What worries me is how England starved the AB’s of possession and played the territory game to be undone by just a few moments of brilliance. With our defensive mishaps, insistence on forwards playing off 9 ,we wont beat the AB’s even if we have 75 percent possession.

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.11.13 13:18:10 by Talent Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 61) : im not sure they are out-of-sight ahead of us.imho i feel it is two decisions in a test at most.thats how close or far it is imho.

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.11.13 13:18:59 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 65) : or perhaps all the poor tackling? idk ,watching Barret and Smith sissy slap players away from tackles was painful.

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.11.13 13:20:15 by Talent Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 61) : :roll: me either ,will be over the moon if we catch them on an off day like the Poms did last year ,but given the hype around SA/NZ test matches I don’t think we will.

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.11.13 13:21:32 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 55) :

    Oh, those heavyweights Samoa, Fiji, USA, Argentina and Tonga.

    :roll:

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.11.13 13:32:32 by wpw Reply
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  • I honestly think England could be a better team than the All Blacks come 2015 World Cup at home.

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.11.13 13:34:38 by Bite me Reply

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  • @Bite me (Comment 69) : didnt watch the eng vs nz test but wonder how much of a difference the tuilagi/barritt combo in midfield couldve made?plus corbisiero?

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.11.13 13:37:45 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • A few things that struck me during the game –

    Bakkies has matured and, when he went off, the strcuture fell apart.
    There were a few niggles and he was nowhere near them! Seemed hungry to be on the pitch again and gave a solid performance.
    Welcome back Bakkies!

    With a bench oozing quality like that, it was a disappointing second half.

    A complete hiding and dominance in every section of the game. Pity about the line-outs in the second half, but such is life.

    Not a helluva lot to take out of the game when you dominate in that manner.

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.11.13 13:40:15 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Bite me (Comment 69) : but how tough is that aus,eng and wales pool gonna be??

  • Comment 72, posted at 18.11.13 13:40:27 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 71) : I’m sure the disappointing second half was because they brought on Thugbis and did not sub that no-talent hobbit, Lambie… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 73, posted at 18.11.13 13:47:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Jpp had a good game.wonder if he won the award for biggest hit with the tackle on denton?

  • Comment 74, posted at 18.11.13 13:48:04 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 73) : shit! U starting something again lol

  • Comment 75, posted at 18.11.13 14:06:26 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • Yes the jpp tackle was an awesome sight…..lol

  • Comment 76, posted at 18.11.13 14:08:38 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 65) : Yes, but thats all the AB’s need, those one or two decissions a game add up to a massive negative over a 4 year period. To date under HM the AB have scored 120 points against our 69 and 14 tries to our 8. If the trend continues those numbers are going to look very dismal in another 2 years time. :oops:

  • Comment 77, posted at 18.11.13 14:09:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 77) : the boks vs abs stats have blown out of proportion since ’92.we let slip big time.guess ian mac can tell us all about what happens to a coach if players dont make the right decisions,the what-iffs you have to live with.what-if tiaan strauss let the ball go to the backline-with players over-rather than going from the ruck on the abs tryline?what if the goalkicking was better in the 2nd test?what if japiie mulder just drew and passed to the player clear on his outside rather than try and go for the line himself?what if ?2 decisions and better goalkicking and he wouldve beaten the abs 3-0 in nz.but yeah,what-ifs dont show on the scoreboard.

  • Comment 78, posted at 18.11.13 14:28:37 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 78) : There are way too many what iffs against us, for it to be karma. We ned to cancel out the possibilities of what iffs. Our Currie Cup win this year gave me such incredible pleaseure – not because of the win, but because of the thought, planning and execution that made it possible.

  • Comment 79, posted at 18.11.13 14:53:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 79) : and we lost 3 in a row against wp/stormers this season.twice in the cc with same coaching set-up.sometimes you lose the battle(s) but it teaches you how to win the war.

  • Comment 80, posted at 18.11.13 14:59:30 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 80) : Fair enough, but have you ever seen anythinhg resembling even a hint that we are able to do anything different – even with a running flyhalf there we want him to be a Steyn clone. I also believe the AB’s have a shed load more smarts than WP in combating a different thought process.

  • Comment 81, posted at 18.11.13 15:07:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 77) : if we improve our decision-making by 2 decisions per game,then it pretty much becomes an even game.2 decisions in a game of 80minutes.thats how close it is.im not over-awed by the abs,sorry.theyve upped the performance level,yes,but we can match them.and we should then beat them in sa.winning on home ground is non-negotiable.

  • Comment 82, posted at 18.11.13 15:07:59 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • Is this a AB site or south african site……just asking. Think the bokke is playing great rugby at the moment. Our scrum is looking good and we are scoring lots of tries. Beaten the aussies twice, put 70+ points pass argt, beaten the 6nation champs, didn’t give away a point against the skots, played good rugby against the AB who have a settled team, including scoring 4 tries which no one else could do. When last did the bokke played 2games on tour and score 7 unanswered tries?? My team is looking good!!!!

  • Comment 83, posted at 18.11.13 15:21:09 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 81) : when i mention decision-making ,it isnt just about “running fh vs kicking fh”,but decision-making in open play.
    In the game vs abs at ellispark in the first few mins willie le roux came round on the outside of jean div.what if jean spotted him,heard him call for the pass?dont know where abs cover def was in relation to willie and tryline but seemed like he couldve been in with a chance if he received a pass.
    It is a pass too early,too late,or not at all.
    Le roux breaks clear from an intercept with just the single ab coming across for cover defence.it is the decision: can i make it in at the corner,no problem.or do i alter my running strides,my speed,angle infield at him a bit,try to slow him down and then accelerate away with a swerve to the corner flag?do i look and grubber into in-goal area,run around him and dot dot down?do i have the skills to perform these options?

  • Comment 84, posted at 18.11.13 15:26:59 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • Don’t want to take anything away from the AB,but both games this year against them was not an even match-up…..first game got that unfair red card against bosvark; and 2nd game we had to score 4 tries for a bonus point while they could just play the match…..there was about 5 penalty attempts that we didn’t take because we HAD to score 4tries…..

  • Comment 85, posted at 18.11.13 15:29:07 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 85) : and i still believe we couldve score 6,maybe 7 tries -yes, i just wrote the boks couldve and shouldve scored 7 tries against the abs :-D .

  • Comment 86, posted at 18.11.13 15:32:32 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 82) : Winning on home ground is non negotiable – agreed, but we arent doing it in the ones that count.

  • Comment 87, posted at 18.11.13 15:43:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 83) : Your (our) team is looking good as far as results go, just not against the 1 real opponent they have.

    Hell Im probably being to harsh here. Keep it up HM, the WC is ours.

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.11.13 15:46:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • Sounds like jannie dup is on his way to france.

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.11.13 15:51:38 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • And six wallabies have earned themselves a one match suspension after a drinking violation.

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.11.13 15:52:32 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 73) :

    I deliberately didnt mention Lambie. Thought he did okay, but hard to measure when your team has so much front-foot ball.

    Our lineouts went went for a ball of shite when Bis and Eben came on. Dont know who to blame, so didnt even mention it. Didnt think EE had such a good game either.

    All in all, we just looked disjointed when the replacement came on, which is strange given the quality of repalcements.

  • Comment 91, posted at 18.11.13 15:56:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 74) :

    Du Preez’s tackle (also on Denton I think) was also pretty immense.

  • Comment 92, posted at 18.11.13 15:57:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 92) : yes.poor denton!
    We still need to work on our discipline.thought it would be better after the louw yellow card vs wales.

  • Comment 93, posted at 18.11.13 16:09:28 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : Finally lol……yes the AB team is good, but they are relatively settled team. Yes HM has made mistakes, but I think its small mistakes. He has put together a new loosetrio and picked willie which another coach might not have…..by 2015 he might also have the best secondrow…..I also think he made the right choice with the captain, another coach might have gone for strauss with bissie sitting on the bench again….there’s a lot to be thankful for…..

  • Comment 94, posted at 18.11.13 16:22:32 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 89) : I heard that the great Bulls prop Frik Kirsten has got the call.

  • Comment 95, posted at 18.11.13 16:43:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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