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Sharks denied at Loftus


Written by Martin van Niekerk (vanmartin)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 22 Mar 2014 at 21:29
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In what could be described as nothing short of a devastating first half at Loftus, the Sharks somehow managed to come out ahead on the scoreboard at 6 – 13.

Losing their halfback pair of Lambie, followed shortly thereafter by Reinach early in the half, the team were clearly rattled. Aimless kicking, stolen lineouts and mistakes at the breakdown and in general play formed too large a part of their game.

The Sharks played valiantly but the early disruption proved costly as they never looked a settled side after the loss of their halfback pair. They would end up conceding 17 points in the second half and answer with only 6 of their own to ultimately lose the match 23 to 19.

The Bulls made good use of the tactical and kicking boot of Jacques Louis Potgieter as well as a effective, if not always accurate, physical display from their forwards.

A glimmer of hope surfaced in the dying minutes of the game with the Sharks finding themselves in a favourable field position needing only a try to steal victory. This however proved a bridge too far and ultimately they just couldn’t get their set pieces or backline firing properly.

A lone try by Willem Alberts and an admirable kicking effort by Frans Steyn will prove some consolation as they come away with a bonus point. Frans Steyn’s overall contribution (with the Sharks at times seeming to turn all their hopes on him) was well rewarded with him coming away Man of the Match.

The Bulls points would come through big flanker Jacques du Plessis while Jacques Louis Potgieter and Handre Pollard contributed with the boot.

Scores: Bulls 23. Tries Jacques du Plessis, JJ Engelbrecht. Conversions Jacques-Louis Potgieter (2). Penalties Potgieter, Handre Pollard. Drop-goal Potgieter.
Sharks 19: Try Willem Alberts. Conversion Tim Swiel. Penalties Frans Steyn (4)



101 Comments

  • This is coming from a hot-blooded South African heterosexual male………I don’t know what was more annoying the Bullshit the Sharks served up this evening, or seeing those Bulls cheerleaders every time they got points on the scoreboard (can I have 2 hours of my life back please)

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.03.14 21:42:08 by Gordon Gecko Reply
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  • On a positive note, I believe the team and coaching staff will learn more from this loss then they have by any of the wins so far,

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.03.14 21:45:01 by Gordon Gecko Reply
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  • @Gordon Gecko (Comment 2) : I agree with you on that point. Ball is now in Jake’s court, let’s see how he responds.

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.03.14 21:49:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Gordon Gecko (Comment 2) : Hopefully they learn to shut their traps before a game and simply get on with it. We read a lot in the media about how Jake has everything under control.

    Less is more where hype is concerned. Sharks have never been comfortable with the favourites tag. Would be great if we could just learn to overcome that disability.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.03.14 21:57:42 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 4) : Worst is our fear of leading…Chiefs drop their first game, and we collapse at the thought of going into next week as the only unbeaten side in the comp.

    Will we ever get over those debilitating fears.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.03.14 22:01:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 4) :
    Jake seems to have never learnt that lesson, since he stirred the Irish up via a press conference saying something about how he only rates their second row and BOD as world class players.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.03.14 22:08:57 by Gordon Gecko Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 5) : Jip, the writing was on the wall before the honeybadger gave his post-match interview this morning.

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.03.14 22:10:24 by rhineshark Reply
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  • That was just pathetic. Who would have thought a year ago that the Bulls would use their backs more and show more attacking enterprise than us and that we would be the ones unable to do anything other than kick poorly executed up and unders all game even when trailing on the score board with less than 10 minutes to play

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.03.14 22:13:40 by woody Reply
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  • @Gordon Gecko (Comment 6) : Forgot about that. :grin:

    I’m not a big fan of coaches gobbing off before a game. Do the talking on the field.

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.03.14 22:13:52 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Also concerned about BDP captaincy capacity under pressure………still throws his toys out when subbed (bad leadership temperament) and laying blame on losing our half back pairing is also a bit of a lame excuse.

    JW really must re-incorporate the rotation policy Venter had going in the CC so that the wheels don’t come off when the starting side in compromised with injury.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.03.14 22:24:30 by Gordon Gecko Reply

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  • Wow what a [email protected] display by us. Trying the kicking game at Loftus and then doing it poorly too. I think Steyn needed to go to 10 and Esterhuizen should have come on to centre. Surely Zeilnga and Heimar will be in the squad for next week. Swiel didn’t do much wrong but I would prefer Fred Zeilinga.
    I also would have changed the front row at about 50mins – yes even Bismarck. Chadwick made a big difference when he came on. Another player that went missing in recent weeks is SP Marais.
    @rhineshark (Comment 9) : Yeah I can’t agfree more all this trash talking before a game will just leave you with egg on your face

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.03.14 22:30:20 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • I think you guys need to give credit where credit is due. Sharks were outplayed by a very fired up bulls team coming off a bye weekend.

    Bulls managed to get more players to the breakdown. We played off slow ball with an inexperienced flyhalf who played too deep and kicked too long.

    We werent pathetic by any means. We lost by 4 points in an away match at loftus.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.03.14 22:32:27 by byron Reply

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  • Who was the ref tonight? Thought he had a decent run.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.03.14 22:33:23 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 12) : we were very bad tonight. I was at the game and there it was much more obvious how we were nowhere at any stage of the game.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.03.14 22:41:27 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @killershark … tend to agree with you but credit to the bulls who were quite awesome tonight.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.03.14 22:45:40 by byron Reply

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  • @woody (Comment 8) :
    Ya this pattern of passing to a Forward standing 5 meters from the ruck to try bash it up and doing it over and over again does not fly with me.

    In fact this is the blueprint of the typical current team attacking dynamics is

    - Pass to a burly forward to suck in defenders and repeat + – 5 to 7 phases
    - Use crash ball with no 12 and try get quick ball to 13 to pass to wing
    - Use kick and chase from own half on counter attack
    - Instruct no 9 to snipe once or twice per game
    - Use rush defence to force errors and use to counter attack

    And that is about all (or am I being over the top???)

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.03.14 22:46:35 by Gordon Gecko Reply

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  • I am a passionate Shark supporter! Always have been, always will be! But the Sharks need to grow a pair when they get knocked around by a physical side like the Bulls! Alberts and co look brilliant against lesser sides just to get dominated by a Bulls side with less bulk but more balls( not rugby balls)!!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.03.14 22:47:19 by andre11272 Reply

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  • Woody, I agree,that is what’s happening, but it can be very effective if the ‘burly’ forward gets over the gain line and create some momentum. It did NOT happen tonight against the Nulle!

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.03.14 22:50:58 by andre11272 Reply

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  • @Gordon Gecko (Comment 16) : In this game it didn’t go further than forwards taking the ball from a standing start 5m away from the ruck and carrying into contact and then aimless kicking. I can’t remember the ball going past 10

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.03.14 22:53:22 by woody Reply
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  • @woody (Comment 19) :

    True……….look im not a Rugby Expert but I never really got my head around this “taking the ball from a standing start” or “passing the ball into runners” and not slightly in front of them………its no rocket science

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.03.14 23:08:52 by Gordon Gecko Reply

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  • Our main problem stems from game 1. Ego! We don’t have a team. We have a bunch of brilliant players. Gone is the unity that make us CC Champions. Can Jake realise this and get cohesion? Everyone tried to be a star tonight and failed dismally at it.

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.03.14 23:23:27 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Apologies, I forgot to credit JJ in my second last paragraph. I was proof reading the article on my phone which turned out to be quite challenging when pressed for time.

    I guess the Sharks played well enough but teams that play well enough don’t win a shiny SR cup.Even with our starting halfback pair out we could have backed ourselves just a little more and we might have come away with some more points. Our backline was starting to look like it might recover when we started the aimless kicking. I can appreciate that this might be the safer option for untested combos and inexperienced players but still can’t help feeling we could have been just a little braver.

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.03.14 23:25:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 21) :

    Very True >>>

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.03.14 23:29:03 by Gordon Gecko Reply

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  • So the Oracle of Witbank was right! Go Bulls!!!

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.03.14 23:36:52 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @Gordon Gecko (Comment 23) : and the same goes for Jake’s ego: I suspect that he needs to acknowledge his lack of skill in certain situations. Could he not, in 80 minutes, change the game plan or just call on the team to either pass or stop the aimless kicking? What instructions was he barking off in his hand radio? As nothing changed from minute 1. Was his ego to big to admit that his plan was failing? I do not aim to just vomiting criticism, I am rather pondering out loud. I still love and believe that this is the best chance we have of winning SR this year.

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.03.14 23:39:53 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 24) :
    Oracle of Witbank ???? is that not some overly drunk 50+ woman at the bar that always attempts some kind of palm reading !!!

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.03.14 23:39:58 by Gordon Gecko Reply

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  • How much better did the sharks scrum look with beast and jannie off?? All this kicking played right into the bulls hands, u don’t want to get into a kicking contest with the bulls. That w alberts is still a monster!

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.03.14 23:41:02 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 25) :
    LOL…..he has an ego as big as Christoff Becker’s

    I still think Brendan Venter should be accommodated in some way, cause this team is like Real Madrid in the late 90′s that was full of superstars but the players could not find each other in an empty car park with a compass and a GPS tracking device!!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.03.14 23:45:06 by Gordon Gecko Reply

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  • And if the early loss of Pat is Jake’s reason then he should change his rotation policy.

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.03.14 00:18:40 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Sharks played some shitty rugby and were lucky to come away with the wins, tonight their luck ran out. Bulls were the better side tonight (and yes it hurts to admit it). I still believe Sharks can win SR but they need to wake up.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.03.14 00:32:08 by JD Reply
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  • @andre11272 (Comment 17) : Exactly…all this talk about the Sharks being an expansive team..WE ARENT. the only reason we swing the ball wide at teams is when we can absolutely bruise the opponents with Alberts and co. You look back at any of our bad losses (yes this is one) – our big forward bruisers can’t get through the brick wall (which is that surprising frankly) and therefore struggle at breakdowns, slow ball to backs, and since we don’t actually use the backs constructively they don’t do anything with it…

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.03.14 03:01:05 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • Does this game remind anyone of the Plumtree era at all???

    I was really hoping that our lack of attack in the first four games (despite the tries we scored which were mostly turnover and so on) was due to the terrible humidity and that an expansive game was not a wise approach in those conditions!!! there was absolutely no excuse tonight, and we offered absolutely NOTHING on attack. We wouldn’t be whinging if the boys actually had a go and tried things would we?? But they were terrible in all departments – physicality, kicking, set piece, tactics, leadership -

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.03.14 03:04:44 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • What’s up with Rob du Preez? Injured?

    I was surprised at Swiel leapfrogging everyone else at the Sharks. Isn’t he just out of High School?

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.03.14 04:36:38 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 33) : Rob is at Maties, playing them into the semi’s.

    When we think really hard about this game, we probably ended up doing pretty well losing by only 4 points.

    We lost our starting FH and scrummie early in the game, and had to play 70 minutes with a fh that have never even played senior CC before.

    Massive step up for Swiel, and his channel was attacked when the bulls scored their try out wide (and probably the try by blondie).

    Just ask the bulls how big a difference a fh makes….

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.03.14 08:21:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • After this limp performance, Jake’s honeymoon at the Sharks is over – and not a bad thing either IMO. Fortunately he has been around the block – so I would expect him to work on rectifying the issues.

    What is worrying is that almost every facet of the Sharks game went to pot in this game – scrums, line-outs, breakdown, tactical kicking, defense, attack, support play.

    Hopefully the humidity factor and the Bulls rudely waking the team out of their slumber will count in our favour against the Waratahs.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.03.14 08:35:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : I would not put all the blame on Swiel. If you look at Du Plessis’s try, Bissie could have and should have taken him down.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.03.14 08:42:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Is there any word yet on Lambie and Reinach injuries?

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.03.14 08:58:03 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 33) : No, he played the whole of last season for the Province vodacom cup side, and did very well for them.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.03.14 09:08:29 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 36) : Both beast and bissy just fell off him when trying to tackle.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.03.14 09:09:28 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 37) : Good question. Another good question is when the fork are we getting Sykes cause our locks without PSDT are not up to this, hence we got dominated, and when is Keegan starting at 8 cause whenever Keegan plays well the team looks dangerous.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.03.14 09:16:41 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 39) : That JDP boy is a monster. He is going to be a Bok hero. The future Bok pack with Cooper at 2, Eben at 4, PSDT at 5, Marcell at 6, JDP at 7 and Arno at 8 is going to destroy any pack they face.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.03.14 09:30:23 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 40) : thanks. Been been thinking the same thing. How can we have a lock crisis while Sykes is probably jet ski fishing in the eastern cape right now?

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.03.14 09:57:08 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • All this angst after a single loss to the Bulls at Fortress Loftus? :shock:

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.03.14 10:11:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 43) : yes we are spoilt Hey?

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.03.14 10:17:17 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 41) : No..no it won’t

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.03.14 10:20:30 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 40) : That is pushing it a bit…Keegan was woeful last year. (even though Im still a fan because he is so talented)

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.03.14 10:21:27 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 44) :
    Spoilt is one description. Several others may be considered just as appropriate.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.03.14 10:39:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • The worrying thing for me is that after 5 games we should be getting better, but yesterdays game was a definite step backwards, I was so looking forward to what we could do with dry conditions and a dry ball…if that’s it we are in deep trouble. The Bulls were a step ahead of us in every aspect, especially accuracy and commitment, we seem to lose total interest in the second half and made so many unforced errors it was scary…I suppose the important thing now is to see how we respond to this and hopefully its in a very positive manner…

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.03.14 10:39:41 by SharkED Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 43) : On the positive side we got a bonus point, it was an away game, probably a great wake-up call before the Tahs game, and most importantly we got the inevitable loss out of the system. Nothing worse than a Sharks team playing not to loose as opposed to win.

    The big negative to me was that almost every facet of our game went to pot – the only bright spark the scrumming performance of the much maligned Chadwick.

    The other negative was that we gave 4 points to one of the other SA contenders for the playoffs. With this silly conference system winning games against teams in your own conference is more important than games against the overseas teams.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.03.14 10:43:19 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Guys, I’m a Faf de Klerk fan. That boy needs to wear needs to wear a Cell C Sharks jersey next year.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.03.14 11:34:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 50) : Im sure he’d love that. Being on the same side as Fransie, and not having t take a hit from him! :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.03.14 12:42:25 by Ice Reply
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  • Reinach’s arm was heavily strapped last night and Lambie was not even at the function…I kinda think it might be a bit serious.

    The Sharks players were fantastic. Coming out after the game, mingling with supporters, signing autographs and posing for pictures untill after 12. Despite being devistated and apologising to us for the loss. AWESOME bunch of players. Respect. And Bissie being caught coming out of the ladies on his way back to the bus…and still had time to take a picture or two even whilst being chased to get to he bus. Jannie is seriously a nice bloke. I kinda did not expect his softness and “genuinity ” with my two little girls when they asked for a picture.

    And Momma has one with Jake! :lol:

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.03.14 12:47:50 by Ice Reply
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  • Time to call up Zeilinga me thinks.

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.03.14 12:48:47 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 52) : That’s awesome. Flip, would have not left Loftus in a hurry had I knew that the players would be staying behind to meet the fans. Hope Lambie didn’t do much damage to his arm, but agree, the fact that he was not at the function means it is more than a bump.

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.03.14 13:03:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 54) : It was actually the Pretoria Official Sharks Supporters Club who organised the event at LC de Villiers Sports grounds. Darren Scott was MC.

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.03.14 13:12:33 by Ice Reply
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  • Losing Lambie was massive and the decision to have Swiel on the bench ahead of the much more experienced Zeilinga was a poor one.

    Alberts, Coetzee, Beast, Jannie and especially Bismarck were nowhere, and I say especially Bismarck because I don’t think he has the mettle to be a captain; physicality and ability doesn’t equate to captaincy material.

    Beast needs to up his game, Chadwick has been incredible whenever he has come on.

    The Sharks have truly become a boring side.

    The one thing I like about Jake is where he meets his limitations he brings in specialists. We under utilize our backline and over utilize our forwards. I think that will channge

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.03.14 13:12:52 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 56) : I dont think the article about Jake helped the guys either. In fact, I thik he mounted the pressure. Loftus games are…well Loftus games. It’s tough, although with great Sharks support. But I do believe Jake was a bit wrong in his article (IF it is true). I still beleive he is a fantastic coach though.

    I do believe this loss came at the right time (if one can have a good time for losing). Rather now, than in the Final! :grin: ;-)

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.03.14 13:38:38 by Ice Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 41) : yes that future pack does look good

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.03.14 13:49:52 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • Sharks played the worst game of their lives (according to comments here) and still were right in this game until the very death and only lost by 4 points….

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.03.14 13:51:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Damn u guys are a tough bunch. One loss and the knives are out!!

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.03.14 13:56:29 by KingsArmy Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : It was not a good game for either team, but deffo not the worst. No-one was clebrating right untill the final whistle. Then they errupted, but a lot of that was relief, me thinks. I think if Fransie slotted that drop, the scoreboard would have been in our favour. I dont blame him at all, but I think that would have rattled the Bulls cage a bit.

    I believe this was a blessing in disguise. Honestly. You dont just pitch up at Loftus and win. And the win was marginally. (Not taking anything away from the Bulls) but this loss does not bother me as much as I thought it would!

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.03.14 14:04:47 by Ice Reply
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  • Reinach last night told me he believed his hand was fractured and that Re Lambie he was not sure but that Lambie stayed behind at the hotel and that the team doc was there attending to him.

    In lambie’s case it was more elbow so who knows the extent of his injury?

    Reinach’s arm was in a splint and like Ice said, heavily strapped.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.03.14 14:35:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : I think the worry was more on what we dished out rather than the result…was there any area, and I mean any area of play we did well in?

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.03.14 14:45:49 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 57) :Nice to see you around these parts again! We need a feminine touch now and then to cool off the testosterone :lol:

    I thought we may lose, the Bulls have improved a lot since we last played them.

    I don’t want to be negative, but we do seem to lack x factor, something we had with guys like Whitehead, Daniel and Jordaan.

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.03.14 14:59:22 by Talent Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 63) : I actually think our composure, all in all, wasn’t that bad, considering how badly we were doing. When they scored that second try, I thought we were buried…. and yet we nearly won.

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.03.14 15:09:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 41) : Possible youth sqaud? :mrgreen:

    1.Chadwick 2.Cooper? 3.Malherbre 4.Etzebeth 5.De Jager 6.Coetzee 7.Du Plesis 8.Arno Botha

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.03.14 15:10:02 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 64) : Sorry to butt in…but I rate all three of those players and yet last year we were utterly shit with them

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.03.14 15:10:25 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Good point. Compare how we put them away when we played them at home compared to how they struggled to bury us. 1.They are a better team than what we were first met with 2.We had some crucial injuries

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.03.14 15:12:15 by Talent Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 67) : True. But then again last year was written off considering the amount of injuries we had.

    Right now we’re too predictable and too structured. We are on the other side of the spectrum to a team like the Blues or Cheetahs. We want to be in the middle of that spectrum, something between the Cheetahs and Bulls, right now we are very much like the Bulls.

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.03.14 15:16:17 by Talent Reply
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  • Early days though! Not complaining! Just voicing a small concern… :lol: before I get called a fair weather fan

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.03.14 15:17:37 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 68) : yeah, I agree! And thanks for the welcome! Hahaha.

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.03.14 15:20:11 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Perhaps…but tell me this. If we played like that vs Chiefs, Tahs, Brumbies…u think it would have still been that close?? The Bulls aren’t that good IMO.

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.03.14 15:21:51 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 52) :

    Bissie used the ladies room?
    Punishment for that girlie-tackle, perhaps? :twisted:

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.03.14 15:26:18 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 73) : I think the need was bigger than anything else! Lol!

    Oh ja. After the fans boo-ed Frans, they actually had an announcement to, in true bulls tradition, not to boo opponents. They did not boo again. Great on BBRU for taking a stance and for the cattle to listen.

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.03.14 15:35:38 by Ice Reply
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  • Interesting stats.

    Kicks in play: Bulls 44-44 Sharks
    Tackles made: Bulls 102-57 Sharks
    Tackles missed: bulls 7-9 Sharks
    Metres run: Bulls 395-287 Sharks
    Carries: Bulls 78-88 Sharks
    Clean breaks: Bulls 5-2 Sharks
    Lineouts: Bulls 14/14, Sharks 15/18
    Scrums: Bulls 3 won/3 lost, Sharks 5 won/1 lost

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.03.14 16:45:45 by Ice Reply
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  • Worst about this loss:

    1. Our first game away from home, and we lose it.
    2. Our first game with a non SA referee, and we lose it.

    This just hands ammunition to the multitude of Sharks detractors.

    This loss better kick the Sharks into gear for that loathsome Tahs team, our win/loss ratio vs them is sub-par.

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.03.14 16:59:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • It’s not about the loss it is the amount of opportunities and especially the space we had ever so often, which we were so insecure to attack. Then the craters which the bulls created from structured play was massive. Bjorn Bassons run was created through a 25m wide channel. This is what the NZ teams saw last night and which shall cost us the season. The team that ends top of the log wins this competition and every loss and point counts.

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.03.14 17:51:49 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • We are beating up our team way too much. The boys had an off game. It happens, try training in the middle of durban heat for a few months. I feel we didnt adapt to the game in front of us. The field was pathetic which didnt help handling or footing for running. No excuse, Pretoria has had so much rain lately and the point is we were also caught offguard by the bulls gameplan. We gave way to much respect to victor and co at lineout. But at least this gives our fringe players a run now as well. 1 loss is not the end of the world.

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.03.14 19:24:28 by Dunx Reply

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  • I think both coaches took a huge gamble and decided to completely change their respective team’s game plans in an attempt to surprise the other side… Only problem was… The Bulls played the Sharks’ game plan better than the Sharks could play the Bulls’ game plan… Backfired on us completely!!!

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.03.14 19:29:01 by CS Reply

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  • Wait! I was and Loftus and had 1 perspective of the game. Now after watching it on pvr I have 2.And I am making a 360 on my first impressions.
    In the end it was the small things that sunk us. Nothing major. All our boys played their hearts out. Their commitment was pure! A few of the Fraser’s decisions went against our momentum needs and a few misplaced kicks too. We only lacked adventure at times and cohesiveness. Steyn almost won this game for us.
    Great game all of you boys. Even the rookies gave it their all. This was just a bump in the road. Nothing too bad. Go Sharks!!!

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.03.14 23:33:46 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 74) :

    Aah. The booing is everywhere these days. For us sophisticates, it offends our English induced sense of fair play.
    The Americans have a different culture. Not so much booing but serious amounts of noise and movement to distract or otherwise make life difficult for visiting players.
    Fans pride themselves in doing their bit, part of the team effort, so to speak. It creates a great atmosphere at the stadiums and a oneness between fans and teams.

    The players on the other hand are expected to behave with more decorum. Frans would probably have copped a fine for his gesture to the crowd. The fans pay his salary after all, even the booing ones.

  • Comment 81, posted at 24.03.14 05:18:56 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 80) :
    While I’m really glad that you have found some perspective on this, I should point out that you’ve actually made a 180,not a 360. :wink:

  • Comment 82, posted at 24.03.14 06:38:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Well played by the Bulls. They desreved this one. After looking really underdone in their first two games they’re definitely looked a much improved team in round 6.

    The Sharks fought hard, but by the Bulls keeping us out of the physical contest they also kept us out of the game. Its up to Jake and the team to take a lesson learned and not get stuck the same way again. Jake has always been the – you have to earn it before you spread the ball wide kind of coach, but in this game it would have done us some good to get a little further away from the contact point.

    I was surprised that Jake used Swiel with Steyn and not Steyn with Esterhuizen. Make Steyn the general and have Esterhuizen bash it up. I immediately found it quite weird that he went the other way and really swiel never looked in this game… as he did against Sarries to be honest.

  • Comment 83, posted at 24.03.14 07:43:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 83) : Agreed, I think Frans at 10 with Esterhuizen at 12 would have been a better option. But then why have Swiel on the bench if he’s not ready to step up to the plate if needed?

  • Comment 84, posted at 24.03.14 08:27:58 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 84) : I would have thought that Swiel was there as fb cover.

    In this game we really needed a fh with the ability to direct the game, especially with our forwards being constantly under the pump.

  • Comment 85, posted at 24.03.14 08:39:14 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Firstly I think even the most biased supporter if honest with himself surely cannot believe that we would go through the competition unbeaten? Every team will lose as Super rugby is a damn tough competition, especially away from home. We also all know that recipe for success is win your home games and then gather as many as you can away from home. So taking a point on Sat was good enough for me. Yes we didnt play well but no need to throw away all the good things we have done this year. Mistakes will be learnt from and the side will get better. Just hoping key injuries arent too bad

  • Comment 86, posted at 24.03.14 08:41:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 76) : No I do not agree: Worst about this loss 1. Against the Bulls, 2 and 3 I agree with you

  • Comment 87, posted at 24.03.14 08:50:59 by Stef Reply

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  • @Stef (Comment 87) : Ja that is true.

    I’m still trying to decide, which I’d have preferred….a win vs. the bulls with a guaranteed loss to the Tahs, or the loss to the bulls in the interest of waking the team up for the Tahs game?

  • Comment 88, posted at 24.03.14 09:01:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 80) : Frans gave it his all and nearly won us the game… but then he gave it away. Jeepers he is costing us a lot of penalties. Does anyone have his penalty stats?

  • Comment 89, posted at 24.03.14 09:02:50 by catfish Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 57) : “Slim vang sy Baas!!” Jake was totally betaen by Ludeke tactically. Never mind the running game, how about the contest on the ground? Jake thought Potgieter was picked at 8 to play the Bulls game… meanwhile he was back-up to Stegmann to totally murder us on the ground. Marcell is doing wonders in his improvement on the ground, but he is not a patch on Stegmann and then you add Potgieter. So Jake, please zip it.

  • Comment 90, posted at 24.03.14 09:09:57 by catfish Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 90) : Actually big Jacques also managed to turnover 1-2 of our balls. I would have to agree that their loose trio outplayed ours on this occasion.

  • Comment 91, posted at 24.03.14 09:16:26 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @jonnow (Comment 84) :

    It’s not that Swiel is not ready or even Fred, but imagine any other team losing their flyhalf, but having a player on the field that is more experienced and have done duty at flyhalf, who would shift into that position?

    We have the luxury of having Steyn there. He is playing very mature rugby these days and seem to want these wins more than anyone. He did duty in the flyhalf channel 2 weeks ago and Esterhuizen is a like for like for Steyn – probably more like Styen when he just came onto the scene, but isn’t that better than putting a guy into the first channel that’s not even going to make any decisions, but just rather shuffle it onto Steyn?

    Btw – I think people are being really unfair regarding the – losing your 10 and 9 within quick secession of each other. Think how any other team would have fared. Hurricanes Barrett and Perenara, Chiefs Cruden and Tewara, Lions Faf and Boshoff, Waratahs Foley and Phibbs, Brumbies Toomua and White, Reds Cooper and Genia… These are the guys running the show any team that loses both these players before the 20th minute, will struggle.

  • Comment 92, posted at 24.03.14 09:30:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 75) : @KILLER SHARK (Comment 80) : @SheldonK (Comment 86) : @Letgo (Comment 92) : Some really interesting points of views here!

  • Comment 93, posted at 24.03.14 09:36:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 92) : I really think everyone grasps the massive impact the injuries had on our team, but by STILL going into halftime with a lead and a chance to re-compose and re-strategize and the then lose makes it bitter. The boys gave it their all, but the composure to be SR champions certainly lacked in the last 40mins.

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.03.14 09:40:52 by catfish Reply
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  • @jonnow (Comment 84) : seriously, did you not see Esterhuizen’s “frightened bunny rabbit” pose in those last 10 minutes?

    Big talent, but not yet composed enough to play at this level. Bring back Williams, STAT.

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.03.14 09:42:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 93) :

    I didn’t go into this game expecting the Sharks to win it. After we lost Lambie and Reinach I was just happy to to have walked away with nothing.

    The Bulls looks much better than we thought they would be this year and shouldn’t we come to expect that from the Bulls, they are never out of a contest.

    There was so much to learn from this game, it sucks to loose and even more so to the Bulls (somehow seeing Frans Steyn absolute disappointment when he accepted his man of the match award helped a little – just knowing the guys also want this title), but we got a bonus point away from home and learned a few hard lessons along the way.

    I think we’ll be a better team for this loss.

    I look forward to see how we pick ourselves up after this one – And who Jake picks at 10 if Lambie is out?

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.03.14 09:45:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : Rob, I think that’s just his face :lol: , but I don’t disagree with you. Heimar has a composure we might need against the Waratahs.

    That is if Jake replaces Lambie with Steyn and that is if Lambie is out for the game.

  • Comment 97, posted at 24.03.14 09:48:16 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 96) : Agreed. Who do you think Jake will back at flyhalf? Fred, Swiel or Steyn?

  • Comment 98, posted at 24.03.14 10:01:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Referees for the next couple of rounds:
    ROUND 7 (revised appointments)
    Crusaders v Hurricanes – Nick Briant
    Rebels v Brumbies – Jaco Peyper
    Blues v Highlanders – Steve Walsh
    Reds v Stormers – Chris Pollock
    Bulls v Chiefs – Craig Joubert
    Sharks v Waratahs – Mike Fraser

    ROUND 8 (no change)
    Highlanders v Rebels – Chris Pollock
    Brumbies v Blues – Rohan Hoffmann
    Hurricanes v Bulls – Steve Walsh
    Reds v Force – Garratt Williamson
    Cheetahs v Chiefs – Craig Joubert
    Lions v Crusaders – Marius van der Westhuizen
    Stormers v Waratahs – Glen Jackson

  • Comment 99, posted at 24.03.14 10:03:46 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 98) :

    I think Steyn, Steyn and possibly Heimar, like they were for the Lions.

  • Comment 100, posted at 24.03.14 10:15:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 100) : I’m hoping it’s Fred but wouldn’t mind that combination.

  • Comment 101, posted at 24.03.14 10:24:13 by vanmartin Reply
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