Richard Ferguson

Change for Sharks as Chavanga, Swiel start


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 17 Apr 2014 at 07:15
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Jake White has been forced into making two changes to his backline, and has made a rotational switch to the loose trio for his team to face the Cheetahs.

Fred Zeilinga’s injury has opened the door for Tim Swiel to get his first start in a Sharks jersey. There is another first as Tonderai Chavanga returns from relative obscurity to take up the right wing jersey. This selection forces JP Pietersen to switch sides to the left. Lwazi Mvovo remains at fullback.

The tight five remains unchanged while Keegan Daniel gets his first start of the season, replacing Ryan Kankowski, who gets a rest and will likely get a few minutes from the bench.

The bench sees only the one change mentioned above, with Stefan Ungerer, Heimar Williams and SP Marais the backline cover. There is no sign of Paul Jordaan, who was declared fit for selection earlier this week.

Cell C Sharks: 15. Lwazi Mvovo, 14. Tonderai Chavanga, 13. Sbura Sithole, 12. Frans Steyn, 11. JP Pietersen, 10. Tim Swiel, 9. Charl McLeod, 8. Keegan Daniel, 7. Jean Deysel, 6. Marcell Coetzee, 5. Stephan Lewies, 4. Willem Alberts, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Bismarck du Plessis (Capt), 1. Tendai Mtawarira.

Substitutes: 16. Kyle Cooper, 17. Dale Chadwick, 18. Lourens Adriaanse, 19. Etienne Oosthuizen, 20. Ryan Kankowski, 21. Stefan Ungerer, 22. Heimar Williams, 23. SP Marais.



73 Comments

  • Hmm, wonder why SP fell out of grace… Not too many games ago he would have assumed his place as fullback, mvovo take up his roll in the #11 and jp play in his preferred position at 14 now the coach feels the need to elevate someone from the vodacom cup team above him… I wonder why?

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.04.14 07:30:34 by Stiko85 Reply
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  • Wow white knows how to surprise us with his selections. I back him fully because he knows what he is doing. Excited for saturday though cant wait to go.

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.04.14 07:32:52 by Dunx Reply
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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 1) : Has he fallen for grace or is white increasing depth in areas of concern?

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.04.14 07:34:46 by Dunx Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 3) : @Dunx (Comment 3) : nothing against chavanga making the step up of course, I’ve been looking forward to that since he’s arrival, I’m just wondering why SP is on the bench when in my opinion he’s done a superb job as fullback and can play wing excellently as well. He’s been dropped as an experiment and when the opportunity arises for him to step back in to the starting xv someone else gets elevated above him.

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.04.14 07:42:00 by Stiko85 Reply
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  • My opinion, White has a feeling that the Sharks cannot lose this weekend, and wants to see what Chavanga has to offer.

    A bad game here and he can say goodbye to having a first class career again..

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.04.14 07:44:43 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I’m happy to see Jake is now starting to look at rotation. I think we’ll see more players get a rest in the weeks to come and Jake will probably do it exactly as he did it here – change only the one player for minimal disruption. There’s another 7 weeks to go before the June test matches, so we can probably rest another 7 or so players in those weeks.

    We can bring Kyle in for Bissie, Adriaanse and Chadwick can start one game. E Oosthuizen can start and Alberts can move back to flank to give Deysel a rest. And then Deysel can come back in to give Alberts a rest. There would have to be a loose trio reshuffle to give Marcell a rest. That’s only 5 weeks. The backline has had so many disruptions, I don’t that Jake will make changes there unless he is forced. Frans Steyn is maybe the only player that would need a week off somewhere, but I just don’t see how we would be able to do that with all the experience we lost at Flyhalf.

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.04.14 07:45:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : Going into a match with the Cheetahs with a feeling that you cannot loose will be looking for trouble.

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.04.14 07:47:40 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 2) :

    Maybe we’ll see Jordaan in the Vodacom Cup side. Give him some game time before getting him back into the mix. I don’t think he has fallen from grace. I think Jake is just now in the fortunate position where he has two really good options in one position and Sithole has done enough to maintain his position in the team.

    You could easily now rest Jordaan up till the tour and then play him the first two games and Sithole the 2nd two. That keeps at least those two guys fresh. They play very similar roles so it’s an easy rotation – just like bringing Keegan in for Kanko, although Keegan hasn’t been that involved this year.

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.04.14 07:50:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 8) :

    Oh oops, you were talking about SP.

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.04.14 07:52:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 2) : @Letgo (Comment 8) :

    I don’t know about SP, I think he may have fallen from grace a little. Although, I don’t think Jake will easily just switch Mvovo back to wing after making such a big statement about it. So maybe it’s not that SP has fallen from grace, but rather that Jake now has a second option at fullback that he rates higher than SP.

    Remember, the switch was made when Odwa came back, so to make a place for Odwa, who as one of his captains he clearly rates, one of either SP or Mvovo would have been dropped. It turned out to be SP.

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.04.14 07:59:00 by Letgo Reply
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  • Big surprise to see Chavanga there. Looked good in the single VC batch I was able to watch, but one does feel for SP – unless as some have mentioned, this is about building depth.

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.04.14 08:01:01 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Very interesting selection. I also would have thought SP would have come back into the side. JW clearly sees him only as a 15 and at the moment Mvovo isnt giving up that jersey. I can bet you that SP knows exactly where he stands though. I did think he was doing well though but its still a long competition. Nothing wrong with giving Kanko a rest..pity he didnt do the same with Jannie. Overall its a good side but in this comp you have to still play well or you will lose. Id like to see us up the tempo this week though.

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.04.14 08:02:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • You see this is how it should be…I still have small concerns about some of JW’s tactics (but everyone is slightly different) but his performances and decisions in the greater scheme of things are always clear and generally correct.

    Said he rated Sithole – gave him a shot and he has flourished!!
    Said he rated Chavhanga – gives him a shot (and I doubt he will treat him poorly like a Plumtree would) even if he puts Odders back for the next game he will keep him there or thereabouts!!!

    The Tim Swiel selection is another…says he rates the man – gives him his shot when the opportunity arises!! Even if Swiel and Chavhanga dont perform – it sends the right message to the players!!!

    Not shifting players who can do a ‘holding job’ unless it is absolutely necessary!! And not treating young talent like shit!!

    Well DOne Jake White!!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.04.14 08:07:15 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : I’ not sure he feels they cannot lose – I think he knows that he has to test his depth at flyhalf and needs to make rotational changes to rest players and while he’s at it with Odwa off injured, try Tonderai Chavanga at wing. With SP on the bench, should things not work out, he can come on as FB or wing depending how he see’s the problem area and what needs fixing. I think he’s being cleverly conservative.

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.04.14 08:10:01 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 13) :

    Have to agree with that statement. I think you hit the nail on the head..

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.04.14 08:12:48 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Caratacus (Comment 14) :

    Maybe ‘cannot lose’ is a wrong statement, but I feel this is an opportune time to test things..

    Same thing without sounding too egotistical..

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.04.14 08:13:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Very glad for Timo! Now is the time to show exactly why he is rated so high. Looking forward to seeing what he can produce.
    Regarding SP.. I don’t think that he necessarily did anything “wrong” to be benched, I just feel JW wants LOTS of speed in his back 3, which is where Mvovo has the upper hand of course. SP is an x-factor player and highly talented, so hoping he and Mvovo will rotate the nr.15 jersey between them regularly. This will keep both on their toes and keep the opposition guessing.

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.04.14 08:19:33 by HoneyBadger Reply

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  • I just wish that White will become more conservative with his prematch banter.

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.04.14 08:20:57 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 1) : @Dunx (Comment 3) : @Stiko85 (Comment 4) : don’t think it’s a fall from grace. It’s the same as with Swiel, it they play bad JW can replace them at anytime even after 30 min. If they come on as replacements and struggle they must complete the game and that could cost the Sharks.

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.04.14 08:20:58 by JD Reply
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  • Jordaan pulled his Hamstring in captains… Definitely hasn’t fallen out of favour!

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.04.14 08:25:32 by truthbetold Reply

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  • Ok so if Swiel got injured who is next in line at 10?
    Robert Dup jnr was not patient enough, he could have been wearing the Black and :grin: white

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.04.14 08:28:08 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @truthbetold (Comment 20) : Correct, we lost 2 players due to Hammies on the shit Coke tin pitch.

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.04.14 08:29:09 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Interesting indeed to see Swiel starting, but hey lets see what happens. Good to see Chavanga getting a run as well as Keegan.
    #GOTHESHARKS :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.04.14 08:40:27 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 21) : Hey – please don’t temp fate

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.04.14 08:46:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 24) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.04.14 08:48:03 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 23) : ja just hope he has lots of runs (with ball in hand).

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.04.14 09:09:25 by JD Reply
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  • I like this selection. And I agree with all the statements above. Very happy Sharks camper. :razz: If I had to nitpick though… I would have given Oosthuizen a start. Apart from the fact that he needs 80min of rugby, its about time. Put Albets on the bench if you need him.

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.04.14 09:10:22 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @truthbetold (Comment 20) : This guy has bad luck! :evil:

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.04.14 09:18:03 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : If you need to pick a team to do it against, the team at the bottom of the table is a fairly good choice…..

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.04.14 09:22:07 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Wonder how long SP will stick around.
    His CV is probably floating around japan already….

    I hope we re not underestimating Free State.

    But surely the best coach in super rugby won t make that mistake.

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.04.14 09:28:36 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 29) : Don’t have a problem with a few rotational changes – but if you go into any Super 15 game with an attitude you can’t loose (especially against a team that has nothing to loose) you will be in trouble.

    I do however get what Richard is getting at – just a slightly wrong choice of words IMO

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.04.14 09:31:27 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 30) : you know, if that’s his attitude then he should please get on the next plane.

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.04.14 10:04:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • There’s x-factor from 8 – 15 (with some more on the bench) and plenty of speed. There’s unpredictability with three players getting their first starts of the season. Not underestimating the Cheetahs at all but can’t help but feel excited to see this team in action.

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.04.14 10:07:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 26) : Definitely hope he does and score a try or two :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.04.14 10:08:52 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Am seriously chuffed to see Keegan back in the fold. :grin:
    As a whole really like the look of the team, but would really have liked to see the bench front row starting.

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.04.14 10:19:11 by Bayshark Reply

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  • @Bayshark (Comment 35) : It seems the Kiwi teams are struggling this year with scrumming against SA sides. Perhaps a better idea to start with the bench front row against the Highlanders

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.04.14 10:21:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 34) : yes if he gets space he could score and qith S’bu on his inside that might just be what he gets.

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.04.14 10:37:43 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 36) : Valid comment, but what I have seen of the Cheetahs this season, doesn’t look like they’ve scared any other opposition come scrum time.

    Too be honest only the Lions front row has looked up to scratch.

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.04.14 10:42:08 by Bayshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : can’t agree more. Any team that want to win a competition like Super rugby needs cove in all positions, so competition for places will be tough and if you don’t want to fight for a place in a strong team by al means go play overseas or for a weak team.

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.04.14 10:43:59 by JD Reply
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  • JW believes in subtle changes and not wholesale changes. The last time he did wholesale changes in the Worldcup against Tonga, the Springboks got into trouble. So my guess is he is taking a gambling on the backrow this week and would probably gamble on the front row at a later stage.

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.04.14 10:44:18 by bokbok Reply

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  • @bokbok (Comment 40) : How can you say he’s taking a gamble on the back row. Keegan is a stand out player and has been so for years. IMO he brings so much to the party that any other loosies in RSA can only dream about. And I’m not talking about the South African facination with size.

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.04.14 10:49:00 by Bayshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : my sentiments exactly, I mean the guy hasn’t even been here much long let alone his lack of experience in comparison to someone like a Mvovo, Chavanga or Ndungane. I doubt his mind is there, he’s a professional. He should be pretty familiar with how the cookie sometimes crumbles by now.

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.04.14 10:53:43 by uShaka Reply

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  • This may be the fastest backline in world rugby..Does Sithole run sub 11?? Does anyone know…

    Because by my reckoning (correct me if Im wrong) all of Chavanga, Mvovo, JP, and Sithole are on 11 seconds or less (significantly less for Tonderai haha) for the 100m!!! 4/7 are lightning

  • Comment 43, posted at 17.04.14 10:53:45 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 43) :Apparently Sbura goes at 10.5 to the 100. Tim Swiel is no slouch either!

  • Comment 44, posted at 17.04.14 11:01:24 by uShaka Reply

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  • Glad Jake listened to my advise and brought Keegan in to give Kanko a rest :lol:

    With bringing Chavanga in as well, this sets it up nicely for some looser play with some counter attacking possibilities.

    Looking forward to the game and hope the boys come out with the right motivation no matter who they are playing.

  • Comment 45, posted at 17.04.14 11:01:44 by stevovo Reply
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  • Let’s hope the Cheetahs defence stays consistent. Don’t think the boys would mind a definite 35 points going into the game.

  • Comment 46, posted at 17.04.14 11:10:01 by uShaka Reply

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  • @bokbok (Comment 40) : 100% correct one or two rotational changes must be the maximum for a game.

  • Comment 47, posted at 17.04.14 11:12:58 by JD Reply
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  • @uShaka (Comment 46) : one can only hope but I don’t think so as it’s a local derby so the Cheetahs will tackle the living crap out of the Sharks.

  • Comment 48, posted at 17.04.14 11:16:10 by JD Reply
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  • @Bayshark (Comment 38) : Then you missed quite a bit of rugby. They smashed the Chiefs scrum, and had moments of dominance against the Crusaders. The Sharks scrum is highly regarded, and with good reason, underestimate the Cheetahs scrum at your peril!

  • Comment 49, posted at 17.04.14 11:19:55 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • So the Cheetahs have been written off…..interesting.

  • Comment 50, posted at 17.04.14 11:20:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Charl McLeod is also fast.

    Frans Steyn is the only snail in that backline

  • Comment 51, posted at 17.04.14 11:20:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bayshark (Comment 41) : don’t think that’s what he meant with gamble, but also remember changing something that works is alway a bit of a gamble.

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.04.14 11:21:40 by JD Reply
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  • Expect a big game from Keegan. The man needs one great game to get his confidence up, after that, he will be very difficult to exclude from the starting side. Agree, Keegan brings a different element to the game.

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.04.14 11:22:35 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : Frans is without a doubt the slowest member in that backline but do you have any idea how slow he is in relation to the others?

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.04.14 11:49:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 54) : he looks way faster than the 2013 version and I’m sure he’s faster than Charl.

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.04.14 11:52:17 by JD Reply
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  • Swiel has run the 100m in under 11

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.04.14 12:02:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : the guys are quick over 100 meters but I’m sure the 40 meter dash is used to test rugby speed?

  • Comment 57, posted at 17.04.14 12:06:17 by JD Reply
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  • Great call picking Swiel at 10, he is a far better prospect that the injured Zielinga.

    Its disappointing seeing the lack of investment in Esterhuizen off the bench. While Heimar Williams is a good player, he does not possess the X factor Esterhuizen does.

    Jake spoke of easing the youngsters into the side……I am not seeing it

  • Comment 58, posted at 17.04.14 13:16:06 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 58) : There is a fine line between introducing youngsters slowly and jus discarding senior pros just for the sake of youth. Ungerer, Swiel, Williams, Zeilinga are all still youngsters that have been played.

  • Comment 59, posted at 17.04.14 13:59:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) :

    Staphan Lewies and to a degree, Sithole. None of them had Super Rugby experience, after this year any team would be willing to include most of them.

  • Comment 60, posted at 17.04.14 14:18:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 60) : if Lewies carries on like this he’s going to cause huge headaches for JW if PSDT is fit again. He’s really playing some super rugby.

  • Comment 61, posted at 17.04.14 15:02:26 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : Yeah but Jake is missing out on the best of the lot in Esterhuizen.

    Who would you prefer off the bench – Esterhuizen or Williams?

  • Comment 62, posted at 17.04.14 15:19:30 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 62) : Williams is not playing bad and deserves his place in the 23. Esterhuiszen is still very young, I feel he must be given a chance during Currie cup or if injuries force JW to pick another 12.

  • Comment 63, posted at 17.04.14 15:29:40 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 63) : and that’s where we differ. I rate Williams, but Esterhuizen is special and would be in my mix. Age has nothing to do with it

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.04.14 15:44:09 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 62) : Yeh look i do rate Esterhuizen. But Williams is good too- was top of his academy class in the conditioning etc. I have a feeling Esterhuizen will be utilised a lot in the CC

  • Comment 65, posted at 17.04.14 15:49:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 64) : to be honest I’ve not seen a lot of Esterhuizen but what if seen he looks good but Williams is a solid player and has not done anything wrong to be dropped. Esterhuizen will get his chance but only with a more settled back line. Having him between Swiel and Sithole willl be a problem as none of them got lots of experience in Super rugby.

  • Comment 66, posted at 17.04.14 15:54:42 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : Is that number reliable??? Never heard of a 10 running sub 11…DAMMMMMMM!

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.04.14 04:54:02 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 57) : Yes that is true, but no man who runs 100m in sub 11 can have bad acceleration…maybe not a Jason Robinson, Brent Russell but still…

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.04.14 04:55:17 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • Comment 32 @robdylann…. Do you think Sias Ebersonn has jumbed ship too or was it the best decision for him at the time……

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.04.14 14:59:54 by Coco Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 68) : yes it’s true. The Sharks has got serious pace in their backs, that’s what makes them very dangerous on the counter attack.

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.04.14 18:50:14 by JD Reply
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  • @Coco (Comment 69) : Naka made it clear that Sias does not fit into the future plans for the Cheetahs, so he decided to move. Force was probably only team willing to take a chance on him.

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.04.14 18:54:31 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : I am not saying Williams has done anything wrong, I rate him. But its simple, Esterhuizen would make more of an impression coming off the bench and therefore I’d select him ahead of Williams.

    But having said that, I would have Williams and Esterhuizen on the bench as I would not be playing Mvovo at 15, I’d play him where he belongs on the wing with SP at 15.

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.04.14 10:41:00 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 72) : so who will you drop?

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