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Sharks win again


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 19 Apr 2014 at 16:55
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The Cell C Sharks have notched up a seventh win of the 2014 Super Rugby campaign, beating the Toyota Cheetah by 19 points to 8 in an ugly game in Durban this afternoon.

With neither side showing any real appetite for keeping ball in hand, aerial ping-pong was the order of the day. The Cheetahs struck first through an early Elgar Watts penalty, after Sharks flyhalf Tim Swiel missed an early attempt. The youngster finally nailed one almost half an hour alter, with the play in between nothing to write home about. Swiel missed another relatively easy attempt on the stroke of half time to leave the sides locked at 3-all.

Frans Steyn again proved the difference, stroking over three penalties in the second period to finally give the Sharks some daylight. Two of those were won the hard way, with man of the match Beast Mtawarira leading the pack in a strong scrumming display that forced to Cheetah indiscretions. Heinrich Brussow was yellow carded for a professional foul with about a quarter of the match left, and Steyn’s resulting shot from right in front saw the hosts looking good at 12-3 up.

The Sharks, so often their own worst enemies in this game, handed their opponents the softest of tries mere moments later, with Steyn’s ponderous clearance from the 22 charged down by Hennie Daniller, for Rayno Benjamin to score in the left hand corner. A career first try to Jean Deysel not long afterwards, converted by Steyn, restored the gap and despite some strong attacking forays late in the game, the Cheetahs’ handling let them down too often to seriously threaten a losing bonus point after that.

Sharks (19). Try Jean Deysel. Conversion Frans Steyn. Penalties Tim Swiel, Frans Steyn (3).
Cheetahs (8). Try Rayno Benjamin. Penalty Elgar Watts.



171 Comments

  • Sis, ugly Rugby.

    The general standard of Rugby hasnt been great in the past few weeks.

    Games like these will be forgotten if we make the semi’s/final. Let’s just hope we don’t lose momentum on tour.

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.04.14 17:02:19 by Talent Reply
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  • Highlanders I’m sure have taken note of our current ‘gameplan’.

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.04.14 17:02:47 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • At the end of the day…
    31 points…
    Top of the combined log…
    And 12 points clear of the nearest SA rival …with a game in hand.
    I’ll take a crappy win right now.

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.04.14 17:10:45 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • We won? Thought I misheard the result over the sound of all the funeral dirges.

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.04.14 17:12:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Only Sharks supporters can be negative about a 19-8 point win. Were we perfect? No! But we won, we keep winning and we are the top of the log, that is what counts!

    Abd all the people saying we were screwed because the Chiefs toured well and now have home games, well they just lost a home game!

    But I guess us Sharks supporters are not pleased unless we score 4 tries every game. Forget the fact that we have consided the least tries this season.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.04.14 17:33:28 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Sharks playing crap rugby. Do we have a backline? Don’t even think we know what backline forward interchange play is. We are winning but our rugby hasn’t gone forward. Watching the Stormers, seems to be an improvement in play.

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.04.14 17:42:25 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Well done Sharks! 6 points clear on the overall log. Top teams know how to win even when it’s ugly.

    How was Chavhanga and any news on his injury?

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.04.14 17:45:14 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Someone seriously need to slap the selfishness out of Swiel!

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.04.14 17:50:06 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 7) : Played very well, good defence and found ball and work even without the ball being passed along the back line. No idea on the injury tho, he looked fine doing the after game victory lap.

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.04.14 17:50:36 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 8) : Or just give him some confidence to try and create play, he looked shit scared the whole game.

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.04.14 17:51:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I have no problem with giving someone licence to play what they see, but that try he butchered by holding on the ball with 2 guys on his shoulder was just idiotic/selfish

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.04.14 17:55:26 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • It seems like he thinks he is a superstar instead of a laaitie that still needs to prove that he deserves to be there

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.04.14 17:56:45 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 12) :
    Calm down man – this was his first senior game – perhaps a bit really for character assassination?

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.04.14 18:13:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 9) : thanks Seth! That’s good to hear.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.04.14 18:19:27 by gregkaos Reply
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  • It was his first start yeah, but not his first senior game. What bugs me is, after he butchered that try, instead of getting up and apologising to the guys coz he made a bugger up, he got up and bitched and moaned. To me that says a lot about someone’s character, but as long as the sharks win, I wil try and support him

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.04.14 18:38:02 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Championship sides win ugly. I would rather win ugly then lose valentely..i seriously think though that with all the disruptions to the back line we are going to struggle to go forward like we did in the first game.

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.04.14 18:39:19 by shaniboi Reply

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  • Boring old game…but the Sharks showed vague sparks of brilliance, which indicated that we haven’t seen the best of the Sharks or anything close to it yet.

    Long season still ahead, take the points in every game and leave the best for when it matters.

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.04.14 18:49:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 5) : When last have the Sharks scored 4 tries in a match. Jip they have conceded only 1 try on average per game. That sounds almost like a 2013 Stormers line. Hey it wasn’t good, but we are top of the SA log, and we all know how many finals the Stormers won, playing the same deadpan rugby!!

    Now you can use the argument that the Cheetahs are bottom of the log and on that basis shoot my arguments down, but right now the Sharks are the SA’s only hope in this tournament, and they will need to find some attacking prowess, all be almost bridesmaids again!

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.04.14 18:58:42 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 18) : Your team also seemed to have forgotten how to attack, now that they put more effort into their defense.

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.04.14 19:02:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 17) : Like the optimism. Agree with you re the disruptions. Though to be fair I can’t recall when last I saw any attacking fluency from the Sharks. Zeilinga impressed, and its a pity he did his hamstring, as I think he could be a revelation at FH

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.04.14 19:02:19 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 18) : The fact that 1 of the 5 SA teams is in the top half of the log is sad indeed. I agree tho with the need for the Sharks to be scoring more tries. We are top of the log with a 6 point buffer. All you need is wins, 5 points are nice, but not the be all and end all. Also the average bonus points per side is 3, Sharks have 3 and still have a 6 point buffer. I am happy with how things are, I will be happy to take 8 points on tour.

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.04.14 19:03:40 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 21) : Need I remind you that the Stormers were just as proud of their exemplary defensive record, and they also played this wonderful attacking rugby!! And lo and behold they aslo won the Conference trophy handsomely. But when it needed to be done they couldn’t turn up the attack.

    I really hope the Sharks can win at least 2 matches on tour and get a home semi and final. Because to go and win it overseas is going t be tough.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.04.14 19:15:53 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 19) : Yeah, its very frustrating. They didn’t even try and attack with any intent tonight. They were just as guilty as the Sharks in dishing up a dour game. Well our race is run, so I am hoping the Sharks can pick it up from here and win the S15.

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.04.14 19:19:07 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Eish that was a bit painful to watch to be quite honest, but I guess a win is a win and what I think doesn’t really matter lol :mrgreen:
    See that Frans was in a bit of discomfort a few times after he kicked – hope its nothing serious

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.04.14 19:29:21 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 24) : Ja Steyn was actually helped off by two medical stuff members after they game with a heavy limp, hope he is ok.

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.04.14 19:44:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 22) :

    Not quite as bad in attack as the Stormers were:

    2012 Stormers:

    16 Matches, 28 Tries For, 21 Tries Against, 0 Try Bonus Points

    2014 Sharks:

    8 Matches, 17 Tries For, 9 Tries Against, 2 Try Bonus Points

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.04.14 19:52:36 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 26) : Nice stats, I agree we are not like the stormers were. Their game plan was just defend, ours is to sit in the opposition half and take any chances we get.

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.04.14 20:04:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 23) : thanx I just hope they sort out balance of attacking and defensive play after the June break. Glad they’re on top but yes still lots of work to do. You going to the return game in Bloem on 5 July?

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.04.14 20:33:02 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 27) : that’s not a bad plan but they need to use the chances better, they missed one or two tonight.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.04.14 20:34:22 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 28) : I hope so, but time will tell. The Cheetahs are worse than the French at this point in time. I just don’t know which team will pitch on the day lol.

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.04.14 21:04:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 30) : I’m going to try and take the family to the match but must see what petrol and accommodation going to cost. Tickets is cheaper it the rest that cost a lot.

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.04.14 21:31:00 by JD Reply
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  • Rob any news on Chavhanga? He looked really hungry and full of rugby before he limped off.

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.04.14 21:54:01 by JD Reply
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  • If we continue to play this gameplan then its going to come and bite us in the ass. Good coaches will figure out ways to counter us.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.04.14 21:57:13 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • @Son Of Mayhem (Comment 33) : yes it’s true but I’ve got to think JW got a plan B for when plan A stops working. Guys needs to focus and knuckle down, winning ugly is fine now but they need to finish the half chances they get.

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.04.14 22:12:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 34) : I have a feeling, and just a feeling, that we may just have a completely different game plan for in tour.

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.04.14 22:34:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 35) : what I do like about the game plan is that Sharks is not playing rugby in their own 22. Playing for territory and then turning the screws with their defence. Kicking was just a bit bad tonight.

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.04.14 22:42:42 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 36) : Sadly it was Swiel who was the highest contributor of that, who knows if it was his choice or what he was told to do.

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.04.14 22:49:19 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I for one am concerned about Frans Steyn, at times he looked like he was in lots of pain. He would be a big loss in a young backline.

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.04.14 22:55:30 by Dynamite Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 37) : ja we will not know. He looks like a good player. Would be interesting to see how he goes once he’s settled.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.04.14 22:56:27 by JD Reply
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  • @Dynamite (Comment 38) : if Steyn’s unable to play it would be a huge loss especially after lossing both Pat and Fred. Really hoping he will be ok to play next week.

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.04.14 22:59:45 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 40) : It was not to serious to stop him playing, he finished the game with a limp and was helped off after, it was the same against the Bulls tho, he actually refused the last kick and also left the field with a limp. I think its probably a niggle, maybe a knee problem.

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.04.14 23:06:40 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 41) : just hope it’s not to serious. Maybe should maar stick to Swiel kicking first couple and if he miss only then let Frans take over.

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.04.14 23:09:39 by JD Reply
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  • Couldn’t catch the game but thankful for the win. I was worried about the Sharks letting down their guard for this match.

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.04.14 23:13:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 42) : Problem is Steyn is the only player in the team (and one of very few on earth) who can make those 60m kicks. Those kicks are a huge part of the ‘take opportunities’ game plan, leaving the opposition with very little room to make mistakes. Swiel needs to step up and be able to take everything close range, take the strain off Steyn. I am almost curtain the injury he has is being aggravated by his kicking. As I said twice now he has been in pain after kicks.

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.04.14 23:17:47 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 43) : it was a very scrappy game, but typical of a local game it was very hard with some huge hits. Sharks did enough to get the win nothing more than that. They created one or two great chances but managed to butcher them. Once again it was huge defensive effort that put pressure on Cheetahs and resulted in penalties.

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.04.14 23:20:11 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 44) : yes it must be something to do with his kicking even the commentators were talking about it. Really hope he’ll be ok for Saturday! ?!?!?!?

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.04.14 23:23:56 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 46) : I don’t think he will let himself be ruled out, and if its a niggle injury from kicking then rest isn’t going to help. So he will probably play, but who knows.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.04.14 23:27:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 47) : Its probably fairly similar to when Willem played out the season with a shoulder niggle and had his surgery in the off season.

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.04.14 23:28:32 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 47) : ja boet, who else can kick, wonder how’s SP’s keep kicking? I know Jordaan can kick a bit but would not bet my life on it.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.04.14 23:31:45 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 48) : talking about Willem it looks as if he’s also playing with a niggle, not totally convincing to date.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.04.14 23:34:14 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 49) : I think both SP and Jordaan can do the typical close range conversion kicking, but they won’t be in practice that’s for sure. Swiel is a good kicker, he needs confidence, enough to take some strain off Steyn for the tour, after that we get Fred back.

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.04.14 23:37:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 50) : He isn’t at his best if hes not playing with a niggle, its how he plays the game lol.

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.04.14 23:38:52 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 52) : And you need to remember that he is playing at lock, his role is less loose which he is better at, all the crash ball is being given to Marcell and Deysel. Even so no one has been as solid on defence as Willem.

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.04.14 23:41:19 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 53) : yes must say Willem has been huge on defence, but even before the shift to lock he was not at his best, I’m sure that’s the reason why JW moved him to lock to have both him and Deysel on the field while Willem find his form.

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.04.14 00:03:13 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 51) : it would be a pity if Sharks needs to tour without Fred.

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.04.14 00:05:05 by JD Reply
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  • Steyn really worried me. Without him we will be ordinary! Without a solid kicker we cld lose games we should win.
    Am grateful for the win. No match is pleasant to watch though.

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.04.14 00:52:00 by [email protected] Reply

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  • @[email protected] (Comment 56) : think most Sharks supporters are worried about Steyn. Hope Rob can give us a quick update on how serious it is.

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.04.14 01:37:15 by JD Reply
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  • The fact that many fans here are concerned about how we will fare without Steyn’s accurate goal kicking says everything we need to know about where we are as a team..
    great teams score tries, their game flows…

    Jake White’s player management is brilliant but (given how he ridiculed the Bulls in the media) he is both arrogant and ignorant, as to what tactics his own teams play!!

    WE PLAY BULLS RUGBY NOW…no two ways about it

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.04.14 02:22:34 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • We need to look for another fh to backup this year. Tim does not seem to be an option right now and if we loose Steyn we are in serious poopoo. Even if Fred returns soon we need a qualified backup now.
    I am worried about the fact that we don’t offload and pass the ball before making contact. This robs us of unity, creativity and momentum. WE ARE NOT A TEAM currently and were so surprised when someone passed that we knocked them on.
    Great step up for Beast though, with better support his runs should have led to tries!

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.04.14 05:11:33 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 59) : Fred thankfully nails his kicks…think Swiel requires a full season of VC and then CC which will ease him into the swing of things at the tank.

    He’s the same type of player as Baueden Barrit (don’t quiz me on that spelling). Super fast and able to break the line, just needs work on the rest of his game. Think his talents will be better utilised from fullback, sadly that position is suddenly brimming with talent.

    SP impressed me when he came on, full of running and definitely benefited from riding the bench. Also dropped his hop-&-skip, happy days.

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.04.14 07:55:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 58) : I disagree, many team have a star, Tahs have Folua, Reds have Cooper….. We can’t say that we cant win without Steyn, because we haven’t tried yet. Yes he is a good player, but nine of the 17 tries we have scored this season have been him, so there is no reason we would stop scoring tries without him. Yes we need a decent kicker, but we have options. For all we know Steyn could play every fame this season. Its not tune for doom and gloom yet, even tho that is second nature for Sgarks fans

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.04.14 08:45:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 61) :
    Nicely put.

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.04.14 08:51:25 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Those of you who think that Jake’s plan is for the Sharks to play to win without revealing too much and will suddenly pull out an “A” game on tour are in for a rude awakening.

    The way we play is NO different to the past 6 years. We’re still kicking good ball away, still have the same players bashing it up, still have no support runners to take advantage of line breaks, still can’t draw and pass, still can’t create space, still look planless, still have zero creativity in the backline, etc…

    The fact that we’ve won the most of our games don’t hide the massive flaws, which are obvious to see and will be exploited sooner than we think.

    Every year those in Lalaland lambast the negativity of supporters to whom it’s blatantly obvious that there is kak in Canaan. Blind support is one thing, but bloody hell people, don’t be delusional!

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.04.14 09:06:36 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 63) : Nicely put :cool:

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.04.14 09:28:05 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 63) : So why support the team, if they so crap, and destined to fail why do you give a shit? I guess we should all just pack up and go home because according to you the Sharks are screwed and guaranteed to fail already. Such a crap team right. Hell I would rather support a team who can be top of the table every weekend for half a season and watch them fail then to spend that season sprouting negative garbage about why the team I claim to support is so shit.

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.04.14 09:54:07 by Seth101 Reply
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  • It is undoubtedly a concern that the Sharks have scored the fewest tries out of any team in the present top 6. We are the new Stormers of 2010 – 2012. And look where their defensive pressure game got them. Nowheresville.

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.04.14 10:08:30 by Feather Reply

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  • Remember our hot streak in July 2012 which saw us march (the hard way) into the final?

    32-10 v Bulls 4 tries to 1
    34-15 v Cheetahs 4 tries to none
    30-17 v Reds 3 tries to 2
    26-19 v Stormers 2 tries to 1

    13 tries to 4

    Now that was the kind of rugby we should be looking to play. We dominated first phase but also looked to keep the ball in hand and off load. Some great tries were scored.

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.04.14 10:16:45 by Feather Reply

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  • Unrelated but…..

    Dominic Bird, Michael Fitzgerald, Flip van der Merwe and
    Michael Rhodes have all been cited following Saturday’s
    matches.
    Bird and Fitzgerald’s citings resulted from the same match
    as the former’s Crusaders defeated the latter player’s Chiefs
    in Waikato.
    Bird was charged for a shoulder charge on Chiefs number
    eight Liam Squire, while Fitzgerald’s charge was for an
    elbow to Crusaders captain Read. Both Squire and Read
    failed concussion Tests and exited the game which the
    Crusaders won 18-17.
    Both incidents met the red card threshold for foul play
    according to the citing commissioner.
    Bulls captain Flip van der Merwe was charged for striking
    Waratahs prop Paddy Ryan late in their 19-12 loss to the
    hosts in Sydney.
    Stormers lock Michael Rhodes faces a lifting tackle charge
    following his team’s 18-3 win over the Lions in Cape Town.

    I think Etienne Oosthuizen is in the same mold as Flip and Rhodes, there was an incident at the end of the game where Oosthuizen got angry about something. Was he provoked or not, I dont know but I dont like his attitude. Imho he is a liabilty.

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.04.14 10:17:44 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • No point being a blind supporter. The Sharks have extensive previous form in showing promise but ultimately imploding. If we are honest with ourselves, are we really confident, bearing in mind how we presently seem to lack any unity and momentum, that this year is going to be any different? Doesn’t mean that I and every other Sharks fan won’t be in front of the screen every weekend cheering on the team with passion. But nearly 20 years of Super rugby has taught me not to get too far ahead of myself as a Sharks fan. Let’s wait and see…

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.04.14 10:24:50 by Feather Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 58) : I’m not worried about losing Steyn for his kicking I’m worried because without him the Sharks backs will be inexperience.

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.04.14 10:44:56 by JD Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 63) : don’t think it’s quite as simple as you make it sound. Sharks is playing “smart” rugby. They play for territory and then put pressure on their opponents to make mistakes. Currently it’s working.

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.04.14 10:58:27 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 65) : must agree with you. At least the Sharks are always near the top. Win or lose I will die a Sharks support!!!!!!!

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.04.14 11:02:41 by JD Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 66) : please don’t compare the Sharks to the Stormers, they only defended and did nothing with the ball in hand. The Sharks are creating chances at the moment they’re just not finishing well enough. Give them a chance the finishing will come!!!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.04.14 11:06:35 by JD Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 67) : That year they were forced to play high risk rugby cause the lost a lot of close games. This year they’re winning those close games so currently it’s not necessary for the Sharks to revert to that type of rugby.

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.04.14 11:09:52 by JD Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 69) : boet I don’t know if this year is going to be different than other years but at least they’re winning close games that in previous years they managed to lose.

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.04.14 11:13:01 by JD Reply
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  • We should seriously rest frans this week and let him be fresh for the tour.We just have to find a way to win without him this weekend.who else do we have that can kick for poles?

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.04.14 11:20:17 by tigershark Reply

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  • LOL- just love the article title. could not have fitted the match better. I seriously fell asleep 8 mins into the 2nd half, what a shame.

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.04.14 11:25:54 by Gerhardt Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 76) : it’s not just about his kicking for posts, the problem is that 10 and 13 is new and with Steyn between them the backs just looks more settled.

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.04.14 11:27:38 by JD Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 3) : thats about how I feel about this right now as well

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.04.14 11:28:23 by Gerhardt Reply

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  • @Gerhardt (Comment 79) : I think that’s how most of us feel about it.

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.04.14 11:31:11 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 5) : winning is one thing, but to the connoisseurs of the game it is also about how you played. More respect is earned losing after playing a great game rather than winning playing a error strewn game as exciting as watching paint dry.

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.04.14 11:32:08 by Gerhardt Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 78) : I know but with heimar at 12 we should be able to pull it off.If swiel can just get over those nerves he will rip defences apart with heimar, sithole and jordaan outside him.

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.04.14 11:32:34 by tigershark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 25) : i said before this game, we are done and dusted without a super fit steyn, lucky if we end in top 6 continuing without a world class player like steyn.

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.04.14 11:37:06 by Gerhardt Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 82) : that’s true but think Swiel will need a couple more games to settle. I think maybe playing Steyn off the bench this week might work.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.04.14 11:37:49 by JD Reply
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  • @Gerhardt (Comment 83) : you’re just a ray of sunshine today.

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.04.14 11:40:15 by JD Reply
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  • @Gerhardt (Comment 81) : You kidding me right? I SUPPORT a team, I couldn’t careless how they play if they win, because their the team I want to win. I want the Sharks to do what ever it takes to win, because winning is what entertains me, winning is the reason I haven’t missed a single home game this season. Sure some people “support good rugby” I support a team. But don’t get me wrong, I don’t support them because they are winning, I support them because I want them to win, isn’t that the point of competitive sport? Or would you rather Rugby be called entertainment, or a show? If that’s what is wanted why compete at all, why not just play an unprofessional game of domp and see who can score the most tries?

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.04.14 11:42:46 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 86) : And I am happy right now, because they are winning, more then any other team, and I hope to see them continue winning.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.04.14 11:44:11 by Seth101 Reply
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  • You people act like the Sharks claim to be perfection incarnate, I guarantee you right now they know their flaws, a lot more then you or I. They will continue to try and improve, and I will continue to support them along the way, because I am a SUPPORTER.

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.04.14 11:46:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 63) : agreed-well said

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.04.14 11:54:03 by Gerhardt Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 88) :
    The reality is that the Sharks do not have the Crusaders’ pedigree and record. If we did, I could understand the vertiginously high standards some here are holding the team up to.

    But given where we would normally expect to be based on our history in SR, I am really happy with where we are. Of course, the tour will be the make or break, and given our long injury list, I can fully understand both the need for conservatism and the satisfaction with ugly wins.

    I do not reserve the right for myself to tell people how a supporter should behave, but perhaps some people need to buy some perspective.

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.04.14 11:55:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 87) : what is that hope based on? I for one will not be getting early or mid season excitement antics just because we had a good opening spell. Super rugby is a marathon not a sprint. Like any other team our dept is being tested. We should have ripped into the Cheetahs yesterday, they are down and out, you could see it on strauss and his coach’s faces. Youngsters joining the squad now have the chance to show they belong there, especially just prior to the tour. We have now lost many key players and we are only halfway in the competition.

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    1.a person who approves of and encourages someone or something (typically a public figure, a movement or party, or a policy).

    Critic
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    1.a person who expresses an unfavorable opinion of something.

    Some people need to decide which they are.

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.04.14 12:07:47 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 61) : Steyn at centre could well be vital to our cause..I was merely referring to the over all attacking performance of the Sharks?? Are you satisfied with their performances in this regard??

    @JD (Comment 70) : Yeah fair enough…as long as they dont use him in the 10 channel

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.04.14 12:08:00 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 86) : well said!!!! Rugby is about scoring more points than your opponents nothing else! !!!!!!

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.04.14 12:08:14 by JD Reply
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  • Must admit, I enjoyed seeing how Kanko gets better with every game. He steps onto the pitch and immediately makes a difference. Also good to see him becoming more aggressive.

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.04.14 12:11:00 by Gerhardt Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 90) : yes the tour is going to be very important, Sharks needs to get at least 9-10 log points on tour.

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.04.14 12:12:15 by JD Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 93) : yes Steyn should not play 10 he must be used at 12.

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.04.14 12:15:18 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 96) : I will be happy with 6-8 with our 6 point buffer and highest points difference, 6 points off the tour would still leave us top of the table. 8-10 will give us some breathing room after the tour. This is all assuming the Chiefs and Brumbies win four games in a row.

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.04.14 12:16:02 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Gerhardt (Comment 95) : was nice to see him running with the ball again and not just run crash ball.

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.04.14 12:17:44 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 98) : don’t think 6-8 points will do it. Sharks need to win at least 2 games on tour if they want to have any chance of finishing top of the overall log.

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.04.14 12:22:34 by JD Reply
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  • Comment 101, posted at 20.04.14 13:00:50 by Gerhardt Reply

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  • My concern with our status qou is that we are not a team and playing as such in the small things: I have seen our boys extend a hand to pick up an opponent from the ground but not each other, we storm the line with no one pushing from behind and we do not offload with concern. JW needs to work on unity more than anything else before this weekend.

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.04.14 13:22:13 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 18) : difference is the sharks have a world class coach stormers didn’t, well the sharks aren’t playing they’re best but still racking up the wins , here is too hoping the sharks peaks at right time . If you ask a stormers fan if they want the boring wins or loses while playing attractive rugby after they tasted what many defeats I think most will take the win

  • Comment 103, posted at 20.04.14 14:55:05 by BR Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 90) : That is a fair point and a wise one at that…but how often, over the years, have the Sharks had the quality of players to win titles?? I certainly believed they did!!

    My concern is the intent…we cant improve our attack (which we need to) if we dont attempt it more often.

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.04.14 15:08:02 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 65) : Awesome in Lalaland, isn’t it? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.04.14 16:03:22 by rhineshark Reply
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  • All jokes aside, we have a problem. Rugby has evolved and the way we play hasn’t. Nothing to do with the definition of a supporter nor about unreasonable expectations.

    Think to yourself how you would view the Sharks game plan (if it’s possible to decern such a thing) if you were a freshly landed alien new to the game. The quantum logics just don’t gel. ;-)

    Excuse me while I light my spliff…

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.04.14 16:13:11 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 58) : Spot on. Without Steyn’s kicking we would be in serious trouble. Our gameplan has not evolved. We need to bring Jordaan back and continue with Keegan at 8.

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.04.14 16:13:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 106) : They would still be winning the league….. So I would be fine with it.

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.04.14 16:37:19 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 106) : That analogue really fails, because if someone were to be introduced to SuperRugby having never seen rugby before, they would assume the team winning the league were playing the best rugby.

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.04.14 16:53:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 109) : Hahaha, no you`re right. I should have mentioned that the aliens know how rugby should be played. ;-)

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.04.14 17:25:54 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 108) : Love your answer, bud! :lol:

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.04.14 17:26:49 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 110) : That’s assuming there is a ‘right and wrong’ way of playing Rugby, this thread clearly proves there isn’t as some of us want entertaining rugby, others want winning rugby, I guess the best would be rugby that was both.
    @rhineshark (Comment 111) : That’s just the spliff talking :P

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.04.14 17:51:52 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 103) : yes just hope the Sharks can sort their finishing before the business end of the competition.

  • Comment 113, posted at 20.04.14 17:53:47 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 107) : and exactly what did Keegan do? Kanko gained more ground in one break than Keegan did in the whole game.

  • Comment 114, posted at 20.04.14 17:58:39 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 112) : That will be revealed soon enough. The moment we face teams with low error rates all shall be clear, even to aliens.

    No, spliffs don’t affect my judgement of people’s comments, but alcohol does, so cheers! :razz:

  • Comment 115, posted at 20.04.14 18:02:26 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 107) :
    Why Jordaan? Sithole has done nothing to earn a drop to the bench.

    Jordaan is very talented, but do is Sithole.

  • Comment 116, posted at 20.04.14 18:02:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 111) : @Seth101 (Comment 112) : think we all agree not everythings perfect at the Sharks but they’re winning 50/50 games that in the past they would have lost. There’s still time to fix the finishing before the playoffs we must just believe that they will.

  • Comment 117, posted at 20.04.14 18:04:09 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 116) : maybe Sharks should start with Heimar and Jordaan on Saturday just to give Steyn a bit of a break, just hope Jordaan is fine before he’s rushed back.

  • Comment 118, posted at 20.04.14 18:06:22 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 116) : I would love to see Jordaan at flyhalf, he grew up playing flyhalf, he may just surprise some people.

  • Comment 119, posted at 20.04.14 18:06:32 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 117) : The problem is that we are getting worse, not better. Can’t see us fixing anything, unless some magic fairy (don’t want to insult Jake) arrives and creates a supernatural sphere of skills and strategy.

  • Comment 120, posted at 20.04.14 18:11:57 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 120) : I don’t think so, if you take into account all the new players that played since the start of the season. Sharks are creating chances they must just start to finish the chances and that will happen if the players are “settled”.

  • Comment 121, posted at 20.04.14 18:17:20 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 121) : No, it won’t.

    We’re heading into a string of tough games away from home against game-breaking teams. If we can’t take simple opportunities against bottom of the log teams at home, I fail to see how it will suddenly change when the heat’s on against the likes of the Crusaders.

    Common sense tells me that life is about to get real for us as supporters and even more so for the players and Jake.

  • Comment 122, posted at 20.04.14 18:23:46 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I read the comments above with interest. For instance Swiel is accused of ball hogging and poor play – but was that really the case. He was the one who set up the only try of the Sharks and also should have scored one himself if Peyper did not bugger up the decision on not penalizing a Cheetah for hanging on to Swiels jersey after he put the ball on the ground and picked it up afterwards.

    I think that insofar as ball hogging is concerned – Swiel handled the ball 39 times he kicked 12 times passed the ball 7 times and ran with the ball 10 times. I think everyone would have liked to see him passing the ball more often – but that depends entirely on the circumstances attached to the game. However, Steyn was equally guilty of not passing the ball to players outside of him and the deficiency in backline attacks is partly attributable to him as well.

    Then there is the issue of the injury to Steyn – he seems to have a knee problem and it is definitely having a negative impact on his general performances. Any problem like that would affect his speed and all aspects of play and if he is not fully foit he should not play until he is.

    I have a question though – what is the position with regard to the Jordaan injury? If Steyn is not fit to play – White will have three options to play at 12 – namely Jordaan, Esterhuizen and Williams. I do not think that Williams have shown anything in the games he played thus far – so my first choice would be Jordaan with Esterhuizen as second choice. Hence my question on the Jordaan injury issue.

  • Comment 123, posted at 20.04.14 18:33:52 by Michael Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 122) : yes I agree with you that it’s going to be difficult but I think the players got the quality to chance that.

  • Comment 124, posted at 20.04.14 18:37:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Michael (Comment 123) : if Steyn can’t play I do think Heimar should start as he has some experience and with Swiel and Sithole playing the Sharks need that experience.

  • Comment 125, posted at 20.04.14 18:45:17 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 124) : I agree with you about the quality of our players. I also believe that we have the pedigree as a franchise.

    It doesn’t do anything to alleviate that kak feeling that the wheels are going to come off, though. :sad:

  • Comment 126, posted at 20.04.14 18:47:24 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 126) : I think that’s a real worry for all supporters as it happened all to often in the past, so yes I’m also worried about it but I have to think that JW and John will change that trend.

  • Comment 127, posted at 20.04.14 18:53:08 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 116) : They are both good, fact of the matter is that Jordaan has more experience at 13 than Sbura. The debate is about our attacking game and ability to score tries. Calculate the percentage of games we scored 4 tries in when Jordaan was playing and the percentage of games we scored 4 tries when Sithole was playing 13. I’m not in anyway saying that Sbura is the reason that we are not scoring tries but we cannot ignore the fact that Jordaan at 13 is a try scoring machine. We can always cater for both players in the team. Sbura can replace JPP at wing cause JPP has been basking. You guys know that I’m a big fan of McLeod but the fact is that Cobus is a try scoring machine. We miss our X factor players cause without them we are not a threat. One dimensional rugby that will be figured out soon. How are we to beat the Brumbies and Crusaders away from home with our current game plan?

  • Comment 128, posted at 20.04.14 18:56:02 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 127) : Have you seen any evidence though? That’s my worry.

  • Comment 129, posted at 20.04.14 18:59:29 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I am a worried man. We are winning but our play, our handling, our passing, our urgency, our discipline leaves much to be desired. When the Bulls were at their best, their execution of their gameplan was assume. Being s fan doesn’t mean you are not allowed to highlight areas of concern. Continuous improvement is a common term in industry, we can remain stagnant.

  • Comment 130, posted at 20.04.14 19:04:58 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 130) : must say think the discipline was way better on Saturday, can’t remember Charl bitch nearly as much as previously, as for the rest I just think the pplayers must “find” each other.

  • Comment 131, posted at 20.04.14 19:09:17 by JD Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 129) : no but I’m sure it will get better.

  • Comment 132, posted at 20.04.14 19:11:58 by JD Reply
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  • Let me explain my preference for Jordaan at 12 in case Steyn is not available. Jordaan played at 12 in the 2012 final in 2012 with SBW as Chiefs 12. He made the only sigbificant line break in that game i a move that ended five meters from the tryline and misfired because Pietersen – who played at 13 – did not run a supporting line and Jordaan was isolated. That showed that he has the ability to p[lay at 12 and should do well in that position.

    Insofar as Sithole is concerned I think the suggestion that he should move to wing is perhaps justified. I do think that Sithole did well at 13 0 but there is one problem that will ultimately impact negatively on his performance in that position.

    I do not think he has the ability to read the game properly and like most of our centers runs straight at his opponent. Even though he is a strong ball carrier that type of play is predictable and easily contained by opposing teams. Jordaan is much more of a thinking player and he does everything to outwit players – with better result for his team. That basically is the reason why scoring of tries in a backline where Jordaan is involved is more likely than in cases where he is not.

    I am also worried about JP – I think he has lost speed and that he is not looking for work at all – maybe he is indeed coasting. Maybe Sithole should be moved to wing. That will wake up Pietersen to the fact that he is disposable.

  • Comment 133, posted at 20.04.14 20:37:53 by Michael Reply

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  • Looking at how the Sharks still struggle to put a fluent multi-phase attack, I believe Jake’s conservative plan probably is the best way to achieve the maximum result for the team this year. If this team tries to run the ball from anywhere they will come short. It is going to take quite some time to correct the issues on attack, issues that has been around for a number of years now. The loss of Lambie and PSDT certainly did not help the cause either.

    On the bright side Sharks still top the log, have not lost a home game to date. However things are going to get much more difficult from now on – so we will see what this team is really made of.

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 25) : Yeah will be a huge loss if he is out injured..

  • Comment 135, posted at 20.04.14 21:17:11 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 128) :
    JP has been playing well. He’s tactical and sport play is excellent and he fights to keep the ball alive. I can guarantee you that White has no intention of dropping him.

    White has also backed Sithole at 13 because he is the quickest player in the squad and knows how to finish.

    Jordaan is a classy youngster abs I’m sure competition will being the best out of him, but he is also an option at wing and 12.

  • Comment 136, posted at 20.04.14 22:10:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 134) : that’s a fact during the next few weeks we will see what the Sharks are made of. Hope they surprise us all.

  • Comment 137, posted at 20.04.14 22:28:21 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 136) : must agree don’t see JW dropping JPP or Sithole, think he’ll use Jordaan from the bench.

  • Comment 138, posted at 20.04.14 22:32:56 by JD Reply
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  • Lighten up, it didn’t look so good on the field but it looks great on the log.

    The tour is not so difficult either. They should get 10, perhaps even 12 points. Then with some injured players back they’ll be pretty difficult to beat in a home semi and final.

  • Comment 139, posted at 20.04.14 23:02:08 by fyndraai Reply
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  • 2014 is shaping up to be a odd season.

    Normally teams need about 3.5 points per game for a play-off spot and 4,2 points for a home semi.
    So far the Sharks top the log with 3.9 points per game and the rest of the play-off contenders are lagging between 3,1 and 2,8.

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 136) : @JD (Comment 138) : Yup from what I have seen both JPP and Sbura have been playing very well, no need to move or drop either, that’s why I fancy giving Jordaan a game at 10 or 12, and give Steyn a rest. I doubt it will be the case but my back line for next game would be 9.Charl 10.Jordaan 11.Chavanga 12.Heimar 13.Sbura 14.JPP 15.Mvovo. And yes many things can be argued about that backline, almost all players out of position, lack of experience blabla… But I think it could work, Steyn needs to rest before we tour, and Swiel needs to be eased in slower. O and that would also be by far the fastest backline to ever step in to a field lol.

  • Comment 141, posted at 20.04.14 23:57:10 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 141) : A more realistic backline, and what I think we will go with is Swiel at 10 and Jordaan/Steyn at 12, depending on if Steyn is injured or Jake gives him a rest.

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  • From the 2 live games I’ve watched, my assessment of JPP’s non-involvement in the game is confirmed. We need to remember that JPP is a senior player and has over 100 SR caps. Is he playing like a veteran? Is he playing or contributing like other senior players in the team…Odwa, Bismarck, Alberts, Steyn, Deysel, Mvovo and even Beast? Don’t think so….in weekly SR teams on Rugby365, his name is not even mentioned. Is that what we expect from a senior player, the Bok incumbent? No guys, let us not sugarcoat mediocrity.

  • Comment 143, posted at 21.04.14 00:54:50 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Is anyone as worried as me about the effect of the exodus to Europe and Japan on local franchises? I think the standard of rugby this weekend by the SA teams was poor. We have the bottom 3 clubs on the log. The only decent team is losing a great deal of depth at the end of this season. I really think we should be concerned. The idea of SA adding a 6th franchise at this juncture is laughable in my view. We shouldn’t even have 5!

  • Comment 144, posted at 21.04.14 08:11:16 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • @Michael (Comment 133) : Im 100 percent with you on PJ.We just have to make space for him in the backline and preferably at 13 where he will have a bit more space to hit the gap.He is the only player thats able to make breaks.Sithole is playing well but looks more like a 12 with his bullocking runs and power.PJ must play!!!

  • Comment 145, posted at 21.04.14 08:43:33 by tigershark Reply

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  • After the game they showed John Smit and even he didnt look happy.

  • Comment 146, posted at 21.04.14 09:31:50 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • According to Beeld Jake White reckons the Sharks looked like stale bread on Saturday and subtle changes will have to be made.

  • Comment 147, posted at 21.04.14 10:11:25 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • @Son Of Mayhem (Comment 147) : It is good to hear the coach is not happy with the performance.

  • Comment 148, posted at 21.04.14 10:24:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 140) : strange season indeed, teams losing “easy” games, almost any team can win the trophy.

  • Comment 149, posted at 21.04.14 12:50:44 by JD Reply
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  • @Son Of Mayhem (Comment 147) : look they did not look champions but can’t agree with JW they create chances but the finishing is letting them down.

  • Comment 150, posted at 21.04.14 12:57:55 by JD Reply
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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 144) : yes losing players is problem but in saying that you must also remember that when senior players leave that create chances for the youngsters. The main thing is to manage the loss of the older players.

  • Comment 151, posted at 21.04.14 13:02:19 by JD Reply
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  • @JD COMMENT 73: I like what you said – it gives me confidence! GO SHARKS!!!

  • Comment 152, posted at 21.04.14 13:50:57 by [email protected] Reply

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  • @[email protected] (Comment 152) : thanx, I do believe the new players must just find their feet then they’ll finish the chances that is created.

  • Comment 153, posted at 21.04.14 14:30:53 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 134) : @GreatSharksays (Comment 130) : I agree bar Bambie,Fred brings more to the party as he has shown. The handling and skills at the moment is very poor bar FS.Also Rome was not built in a day,Dumtree neglegted the backline for years even putting nonsense in at 13,this fixing won’t happen quickly as the backline menyality/culture is not there,that’s why the Great White focuses on forward play. The backline drifts or runs sideways,does not staighten the line,does not run staight lines or supporting lines,and most are isolated. We have the players and this will be fixed.

  • Comment 154, posted at 21.04.14 21:07:16 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 154) : don’t think the back line is as bad as everyone’s saying. Losing two quality fly halves in a couple of weeks would disrupt even the best back lines. The guys are creating chances but not finishing it. If Swiel settles at fly half I do think they will click as an unit and finish the chances that’s created.

  • Comment 155, posted at 21.04.14 21:39:06 by JD Reply
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  • Glad for the win but a few criticisms. 1 Swiel is very dangerous with ball in hand but very poor on the tactical kick, let him play to his strength. 2. Offloads are not very good, a couple of good breaks were spoiled by this. 3. Ball in hand boys, what is thia lacklustre arial battle, we have some of the most impressive forwards and fastest backline players, let’s use them. 15 men on the field not 10 mr flyhalf! 4. I think its time Mvovo went back to wing and SP came in at 15 again. lastly – does anyone know where to find the latest injury list? Steyn did not look to happy in the last 20 minutes is he hurt?

  • Comment 156, posted at 22.04.14 08:27:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Rapport headline on this game…Haaie wen, maar rugby verloor, so true.

  • Comment 157, posted at 22.04.14 08:36:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Just to put things in perspective, all SA sides struggle to score tries this year:

    Cheetahs: 21/9 = 2.33 per game
    Sharks: 17/8 = 2.125
    Bulls: 15/9 = 1.67

    Compared to all teams:

    Canes: 25/8 = 3.125
    Chiefs: 23/8 = 2.875
    Brumbies: 22/8 = 2.75
    Force: 21/8 = 2.625
    Blues: 21/8 = 2.625
    Waratahs: 20/8 = 2.5
    Cheetahs: 21/9 = 2.33
    Crusaders: 18/8 = 2.25
    Reds: 17/8 = 2.125
    Sharks: 17/8 = 2.125

    My issue is that the team that wins a super tournament is pretty much always close to the top of the try scoring rankings. In the years that the Bulls won a trophy, they scored plenty of tries. The Stormers have managed to get to (or close to) the top of the log a few times by great defense, but they always came unstuck in the semis against teams that could score tries.

    To also put things in perspective I also can’t remember the Sharks of recent years consistently scoring plenty of tries. So this issue is not new by any means – and it is going to take time for the coaches to sort this out.

  • Comment 158, posted at 22.04.14 08:44:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I cant understand the negativity to be honest. Dow e really think the Sharks will win 50-0 every game and scored 4 tries and be perfect. The Sharks won a tough game on Saturday. The Cheetahs fronted up well especially on defense and at ruck time. Winning at home no matter how pretty is what is important and we have done that. Injuries will seriously test our squad depth but nothing wrong with that.

  • Comment 159, posted at 22.04.14 09:13:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 157) : and in the history of Rapport when ever the Bulls played the same rugby they were only full of praise for the mighty Bulls. Thats why I don’t bother reading news papers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 160, posted at 22.04.14 09:19:40 by JD Reply
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  • I think the formula is most tries scored offset against tries/games conceded. You get some high scoring matches where a team still loses (ask the cheetahs) and losing games is by far the biggest killer isn’t it? Regularly scoring many tries is a testament to ones attacking skills that’s about it. It says nothing for temperament,discipline, defense and overall rounding of a team. So in my book a bad indicator and maybe just an interesting stat but not a series indicator. Also remember that in the the second half of the tournament and in the quarters the tries should statistically become much less as the more refined sides progress.

  • Comment 161, posted at 22.04.14 09:20:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 161) : The teams that won the trophy were mostly in the top 20% with tries scored, plus they balanced that with a good defense.

    The Sharks have the defense bit sorted out for the moment – only team still in the single figures on tries conceded.

  • Comment 162, posted at 22.04.14 09:28:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 158) : talking about putting things in perspective:
    Sharks 31 log points
    Bulls 19 log point
    Lions 16 log points

    Brumbies 25 log points
    Chiefs 25 log points
    Tahs 24 log points
    Force 23 log points
    Saders 22 log points
    Canes 21 log points

    LOG POINTS IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN TRIES PER MATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 163, posted at 22.04.14 09:28:39 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 163) : The log points that matter is what is on the board at the end of the season. The Sharks have had only two away games so far. They have made good use of all the home games – not dropped a single one – and they deserve to be on top of the log. However things are going to get a lot more difficult from now on.

    The wheels will have to come off dramatically for the Sharks not to top the SA conference – therefore playoffs should be a certainty. However getting into the top two (pretty much what an SA team needs to win the trophy) is going to be a lot harder.

  • Comment 164, posted at 22.04.14 09:36:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 159) : THANK YOU SIR!!!!!!!! can’t agree more. I know not everything is perfect at the Sharks, but hell this year Sharks are winning close games that in past seasons they would lose. Hell look at the log if that does not make a Sharks supporter smile nothing will.

  • Comment 165, posted at 22.04.14 09:46:20 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 160) : What we dished up on Saturday was a very, very poor version of what the Bulls successfully dished up. Forgetting the score (for which we are all glad for) but would you honestly say that was a good game of rugby.

  • Comment 166, posted at 22.04.14 10:00:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 166) : no it was not a good game but both teams are responsable for that. You can only play as good as what your opponents alow you to play, the Cheetahs really targeted the game and came hard at the Sharks, way harder than for any team they played this year.

  • Comment 167, posted at 22.04.14 10:20:32 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 167) : Agreed, and in view of that I think Rapport got it spot on.

  • Comment 168, posted at 22.04.14 10:48:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • According to all and sundry the Sharks attack is poor and pathetic but did any of you bothered to calculate the point for points against?!?!?!?!
    Brumbies +38
    Chiefs +28
    Tahs +52
    Force +4
    Saders +28
    Canes +29
    Landers +0
    Bulls -12
    Lions -40
    Blues -24
    Reds -26
    Rebels -29
    Stormers -51
    Cheetahs -101
    and the poor performing Sharks +104

  • Comment 169, posted at 22.04.14 11:12:31 by JD Reply
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  • @JD your stats are cumulative for the whole season so far.
    No one is saying their whole attacking performance this whole season was poor just of late. The game against the bulls against the lions ad now the cheetahs is causing some concern. The stats you point out also contains the efforts of players now on the injury list. The team we started the season with is not the team we currently have, so I suppose I am saying that stats need to be put in perspective.

  • Comment 170, posted at 22.04.14 11:21:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 170) : yes and everyone must put in perspective that no team that lost players like Pat, Jordaan, PSDT, etc. will just carry on regardless and that their attacking game would not be effected!!!!!!!!!! It will take time to sort out, just give them a chance to settle again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 171, posted at 22.04.14 11:32:34 by JD Reply
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