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Sharks go down in Canberra slugfest


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 10 May 2014 at 13:39
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The Brumbies have beaten the Cell C Sharks 16-9 in a dull encounter, played out in poor conditions in Canberra. A try to lock Sam Carter early in the final quarter proved the difference between the sides on a day when running rugby was in short supply.

Jake White’s mean were held tryless for the second time in three games – in fact, JP Pietersen’s effort against the Rebels last week is now the only score they’ve enjoyed in in 240 minutes of rugby. There were chances aplenty in this match, but the decision to back Frans Steyn as the only flyhalf and goal kicker in the 23 backfired, with the big Bok struggling with accuracy.

Steyn missed three times from the tee in the first half, allowing the Brumbies to take a 6-3 advantage into the shed. It was a half of rugby in which neither team seemed at all prepared to let the ball go through the hands – ending with a total of less than 2 minutes’ play in either 22 area out of the total 40. The Sharks appeared to have some level of supremacy up front, with scrum and lineout both functioning well. However, the Durbanites failed to capitalise on this advantage and also committed silly errors on those few occasions when they did manage to attack with the opposition half.

Steyn leveled the scores early in the second period after a good Sharks attack was illegally halted 5m from the Brumbies’ line. One felt that had it not been a first offence, the guilty player would have been yellow carded for a deliberate ruck infringement in the so-called red zone. The Sharks, though, again failed to push on, conceding simple penalties in abundance over the next 10 minutes. Christian Lealiifano himself missed two simple attempts, but all the same managed to push his side back out to a 9-6 lead.

Steyn’s unfortunate habit of kicking straight out from restarts helped to keep the pressure on his side, with Nic White, who otherwise had a pretty iffy game at scrumhalf, capitialising in the 63rd minute as he found space for Carter with a short pass as the Sharks’ defence drifted wide.

Jake White’s team finished the stronger side, first goaling a penalty to get back within bonus point range before spending a frantic last 8 minutes on attack. However, with Stephan Lewies off the field, the line out fell apart, meaning no equalising score despite three good attempts to get that lineout maul – which had promised so much earlier in the game – going from a few metres out.

Lewies, Jean Deysel and Cobus Reinach all enjoyed good outings for the Sharks – alas there was far too much indiscipline and poor execution from the 23 as a whole for a win to have been a realistic outcome.

With both Brumbies and Chiefs now scant points behind on the log, the pressure is firmly on the Cell C Sharks to eke out some sort of result in Christchurch next week.

Scores:
Brumbies (16): Try Sam Carter. Conversion Christian Lealiifano. Penalties Lealiifano (3)
Sharks (9): Penalties Frans Steyn (3)



96 Comments

  • Next weeks crusaders game now looms large, could make or break our season. We gonna get a hiding if we kick the ball back to them so they can run it back at us

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.05.14 13:43:24 by RuckingFun Reply
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  • Suppose if you take in account the 9 points Steyn missed it would have been 18 – 16.

    Not the best result, but ill rather take a point then nothing

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.05.14 13:47:37 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • That was a stupid game of rugby. The Crusaders are going to destroy us next week if we don’t completely change our attitude and mindset. Furthermore, we may make the playoffs, but we won’t win like this, and I hope White realizes that. As things stand, despite our position on the log, there are 6 or 7 teams that are just playing much much better.

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.05.14 13:47:38 by David12246 Reply

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  • I think it’s safe to say that Steyn has earned himself a well deserved rest.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.05.14 13:53:56 by uShaka Reply

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  • Ouens dont worry!!! We are still nr 1 on the log! Trust me Jake knew exactly how the brumbies where going to play us and i think we did good. OK if steyn slotted a few more, we would have won! Next week we will have to be on top of our game for them Saders!!! NZ teams are WAY different than Ausies and SA Teams!
    But YES we are still good to win this!!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.05.14 13:53:58 by R Hayward Reply

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  • From now on I’m gona celebrate like a freaking maniac whenever we score a try!! Miss those days a bit.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.05.14 13:56:26 by uShaka Reply

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  • There is another word starting with “S” I would have used in front of Sharks…

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.05.14 13:56:54 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 7) : Shhhhhh don’t say it.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.05.14 13:58:11 by uShaka Reply

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  • @uShaka (Comment 4) : and who’s going to play in his place?

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.05.14 14:02:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : That’s exactly what I mean, it’s not gona happen, as much as he’s earned it, it’s still not gona happen.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.05.14 14:19:19 by uShaka Reply

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  • @uShaka (Comment 10) : Just a pathetic attempt at being sarcastic.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.05.14 14:20:31 by uShaka Reply

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  • Somewhat disconcerting that statistically the Sharks backline is the shittest (excuse the French) attacking backline in the comp but I guess we can find some solace in the fact that play-offs are all but a certainty for us. Compromise.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.05.14 14:44:33 by uShaka Reply

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  • @R Hayward (Comment 5) : The eternal optimist! Not playing kick chase, and it is not a simple switch to flip to change tack. Sharks have been playing this daft rugby for weeks now! Crusaders will whip them badly playing like this.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.05.14 15:11:28 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • There was more of a struggle back then in terms of making the play-offs, but who else misses the 2012 season?

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.05.14 15:11:44 by David12246 Reply

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  • Too much useless kicking and bash up game, not utilising a very very potent backline. Wrong gameplan, too safe in my opinion. People should also give Frans a break, he is not the only one assigned to put points on the board. Others did shit, and when he failed, there was no back-up plan.Adding to that the fact that this was a personal war for JW, I reckon too much pressure was on the boys. Just Fucking relax. This place has never been so doom and gloom. FFS…Calling PLUM back or questioning his “release” being a mistake?? You must be effing mad!

    We need to play a more attacking game. OUr boys can fire, instead its safe, bashing up play and it costed us against the Brumbies (not that they played particularly well, but yeah, they managed to pull the win).

    Relax people.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.05.14 15:14:54 by Ice Reply
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  • I’ll add my bit of gloom…reckon we lost the fight too… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.05.14 15:19:35 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 15) : Think the gloom comes from the Sharks playing the same rubbish for weeks now. Sure they got away with a win or two playing like this, but against the top sides like the Crusaders they will come horribly unstuck.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.05.14 15:53:56 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • We’re playing ‘finals rugby’ apparently.

    Reminds me exactly of the Stormers before their capitulation.

    Kak game plan, kak planning not having a backup 10, just plain average I’m afraid.
    Not champion material. Yet.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.05.14 15:58:25 by John Galt Reply

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  • Haven’t watched the game yet but hard luck Sharks team and fans. Was hoping our backline would start clicking in this game but thankful for that losing bonus point though!

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.05.14 16:16:40 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 19) : The rain also played a part.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.05.14 16:18:00 by uShaka Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : how did Jordaan go at 12?

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.05.14 16:43:48 by JD Reply
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  • to all those Frans Steyn fans out there all I ask is this…WHY????

    Why do you think having a big boot makes you a decent player??

    Why do you think weighing 110kg makes you a decent player??

    Why?? Why?? Why??

    He has been awful the last 2 games and not much better before then. Lauded for his performance against the Lions earlier in the season where he kicked 100% and yet we forget that we didnt dominate that game at all. It was stagnant and lacking fluidity…

    It is the same as Pierre Spies!!!!

    Bring back the youngster Swiel and for the love of God JW better change the gameplan. For them to say that ‘we have the license to play what is in front of us’ is bullshit. What they are basically saying then is “I am worse than dogshit because I went for a crosskick with a 5 on 2 overlap….and missed by 30m” – I saw what was in front of me…and I kicked.

    “I know exactly what the Bulls are going to do. THey have done it for 30 years!”
    - you must be pretty shit then to lose to them hey??

    Picking lightning players like Mvovo, Jordaan, Sithole, JP etc and then playing a kicking game is like taking the putter on the Tee box trying to clear 150m of lake….

    ARGHHHGHGH rant over
    (for now)

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.05.14 16:56:06 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 22) : agree with you on playing Swiel at 10 and not Steyn, but Steyn needs to play at 12 at least untill Pat or Fred is back.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.05.14 17:03:25 by JD Reply
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  • Tell you guys what. Even though we have a useless gameplan. We need a Willie le Roux and Louis Ludik in our backline.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.05.14 17:08:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 22) : Pienaar, seriously? We al know Steyn is playing out of position.

    We all know that the team plays under instructions, I do not doubt for 1 second that the instructions were being followed the fullest.

    Swiel was tried and tested and also came up short, what we need is an experienced 10 as back up with the injuries we have, Steyn should be playing 12, Jordaan 13,

    We can blame Steyn all we like but was it steyn that lost the ball in the forwards in just about every ruck or maul?

    was it Steyn throwing punches like Bismark did? I can go on and on but the blame lies with the coaching and the lack of a proper 10, it is clear that since Lambie got injured our play has gone backwards.

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.05.14 17:13:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 24) : players play according to the game plan that the coach determine. Even if Sharks had DC and SBW in their back line they would still play the same. Sharks bhave enough quality players the coaching staff must just pick the right combinations and allow them to play their natural game.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.05.14 17:15:26 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 21) : He had a few short runs in broken play. Didn’t once get the ball from Steyn, so can’t really say.

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.05.14 17:15:28 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 27) : problem with the Sharks game plan is they are playing a skip pass past the 12. That’s why our outside back are not getting space as the defence just drift to cover them.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.05.14 17:19:58 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 26) : Your last sentence is the problem, our players need to be given the right to just play the game, I understand some restrictions but seriously they have no freedom to play.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.05.14 17:20:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 29) : yes backs needs the freedom to play what’s in front of them. Players needs to draw defenders before passing to the next player, that’s the only way to create space for the wings.

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.05.14 17:26:50 by JD Reply
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  • I’ve come to terms with the fact that we’re just going to have to settle for wins, it’s not gona be pretty this season. No adrenalin rush, no anticipation, just wins. I just hope that the wins we already have aren’t, for the most part, subjected to home ground advantage more than anything else.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.05.14 17:42:14 by uShaka Reply

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  • @uShaka (Comment 31) : what you mean no adrenaline I can’t handle all the adrenaline from all these close games!!!!!

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.05.14 17:51:19 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 32) : Haha!! Fair enough.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.05.14 18:02:50 by uShaka Reply

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  • I actually took the loss quite well compared to some of you fellas.

    My taste for rugby has however dwindled. Too much of the same happening continuously – across the board.

    Same teams doing what they do every year…

    certain refs still influences the game far too much…

    certain teams still think they can win a game by launching a 20 minute fight back, having slept through the first 60mins…

    same pre-match, mid-match and post-match garbage being spoken by the so-called experts.

    And in 2016, everything will be overhauled to stay exactly the same.

    Let’s hope the international season has me excited again, because franchise rugby is down-right stale.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.05.14 19:07:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : Cannot believe people still make the effort to go and watch a game of rugby live at the stadiums.All that effort and money for 80 minutes of whatever it is the sharks and brumbies dished up today.No wonder stadiums are more empty than full these days!

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.05.14 19:32:36 by tigershark Reply

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  • BRING BACK RUCKING.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.05.14 20:12:47 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 36) : Great idea rucking on or near the ball will surely ensure quicker balls.

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.05.14 20:52:25 by JD Reply
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  • We got the losing bonus point as I expected. Both teams played JW rugby in the rain – the Brumbies just were a lot better at it. The Sharks may still sneak into the playoffs, but I don’t see any SA teams in the final this year.

    The SA teams are really poor this year. At least the Bulls set piece is solid.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.05.14 20:54:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 38) : so let me get it – everyone is complaining about how kak the Sharks played and because the Sharks did not play running rugby in the rain?!?!?!

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.05.14 21:09:13 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 39) : It would have been suicide to play running rugby in the rain. In fact currently it would be stupid for the Sharks to play running rugby – the players lack the basic skills to do it.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.05.14 21:16:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I read JW said he actually won in Brisbane implying that his old team played his tactics better than the team he’s now working for.I have no respect left for him and this thing that his always advertising himself for international jobs while on tour with the sharks is sick.John Smith must be biting his lip in frustration with this old man!

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.05.14 21:27:18 by tigershark Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 40) : did not see the game just read how poor the Sharks was. Now reading about the rain just don’t know what some people expect? !?!?! Lack of skill is for me a legacy of poor coaching by previous coaches and will take time to rectify.

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.05.14 21:39:48 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 42) : Definately not great conditions for running rugby. The Brumbies just made fewer mistakes and won the kicking game. They pretty much beat the Sharks with their own game plan.

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.05.14 22:11:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) : Well, at the end of the day the difference was one of their locks running through a gap the size of a tour bus and scoring a gift of a try.

    We did run the ball with some success on a few occasions, but typically blerrie South African always revert to the thick as pigshit “tactic” of giving the ball to a prop, when the situation calls for the ball to go wide. So the defense never has to work hard in the brain department, because we’re as predictable as oily KFC.

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.05.14 22:25:17 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 44) : Vision is a huge problem for SA players especially scrumhalfs. Lots of chances is lost due to players going in the wrong direction or taking contact when they needed to pass. Only reason I can think of is that vision is coached out of players from school right through to international level. If you do not fit into the coaches game plan he won’t selected you no matter how good you are. Basically it’s game plan above vision!!!!!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.05.14 22:55:24 by JD Reply
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  • Who on this site can not predict what gameplan each SA team will bring each weekend? Now if we as armchair coaches can predict this how difficult is it to beat us?
    Sorry but JW does nothing to install trust in our supporters that we can come off with 2 wins in NZ. We needed to invest in a senior when Pat got injured just as the bulls did. Steyn is a talented player but not a FH. Swiel is not a kicking FH. If Jake persists with this kicking game he must find a guy to get this right but changing the way our youngsters play naturally, is suicide. When someone tries something different on attack, it catches the team mates by surprise as we are in a 1 dimensional frame of mind.
    When last did we see a simple scissors move or a silly trick pass? We are too scared to attack we have lost all flair.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.05.14 23:22:01 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 46) : next two weeks is going to be huge for the Sharks chances of winning Super rugby this year. Don’t think Sharks will win both games but they have a good chance of beating the Blues. As for the injury to Pat yes maybe Sharks should have drafted a seasoned pro but at that stage Fred was going strong and another problem is that I don’t think any player that is drafted into the team now would be allowed to play in the playoffs, so it may be better to try and find an internal replacement. I think that before we start calling for more attacking play the players must prove that their handling is up to it. In previous games the Sharks created chances but time and again handling let them down.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.05.14 23:41:55 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : it is just for the fact that a SR unit can not do basic handling that we are predictable and with no attack strategy and therefore no threat to neither of the NZ teams. Our position on the log shall be compromised this week and drawn the next with the Bulls. That is how serious we are sliding.
    Let’s see JW’s vision as a coach.

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.05.14 06:05:44 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 25) : Oh I agree that there are more serious issues than just Steyn. I said at the start making Bismarck captain was a bad call – his form has been avg at best and he is terrible with the refs. It actually took Keegan to restrain the boys towards the end there…Im just ranting on him because everyone is South Africa seems to think he is this raving talent. Jean de Villers and Robert Ebersohn are light years ahead of this guy as a player.

    The gameplan is stone age and the skill level is awful. I said it before – Jake White’s player management is very good (at very least better than most) but his tactics and strategy are shithouse.

    The fact that we have 4 players or more that are genuine speed merchants BUT still play kick kick kick shows the error in strategy. Go pick 5 flyhalfs in the backs if you want to play kick chase

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.05.14 06:12:19 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 25) : And I certainly agree that he and all the others will look heaps better if they are allowed to play rugby.

    That was actually hurtful to watch. We didnt just play the kicking game. We did not play rugby!! It was embarrassing and the Brumbies were not much better

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.05.14 06:17:04 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • JW does not want any rugby to be played inside his team’s halfway line.

    We kicked everything away without bothering to chase or find touch.

    The Sharks could not execute this basic exit plan properly, and in the second half the Brumbies rained bombs on our back three, who suddenly lost the ability to catch a ball out of the air.

    The Sharks need more enterprising exit strategies, because the two options currently employed is predictable and often fails.

    Sadly the Sharks are now trying to play Bok rugby.

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.05.14 08:12:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • In JW’s perfect world, you either get the ball inside your 22, and kick it out on the opposition 10m line.

    Or you receive the ball inside your halfway line, kick the bomb, and half a million of your players chase it, putting so much pressure on the opposition players, that they run off the field to their mommies.

    It’s a beautifully simple idea – on paper. When Robot rugby takes over the world, this is the game plan to be programmed into every one of your robot players.

    In the meantime, please add some spice to this approach…winning with ugly rugby is barely palatable, losing with it is just plain nauseating.

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.05.14 08:20:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 49) : I agree with you regarding Bismarck. For a great example of how a captain should interact with the ref, look no further than Warren Whiteley. Not only is he a good leader, but also plays like a man possessed.

    Since Bismarck became captain his game has gone backwards. He used to be the most influential player on the field. Now his carries are few and far between and he’s more noticable when he whines at the ref like his boet.

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.05.14 09:27:16 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Just on an aside did any of u watch Cockett against Cleremont.He is pure master class,just highlights the headeach the Great White has at 9 and the nonsense at 9 the Sharks have playing in such a key position

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.05.14 09:34:20 by benji Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 44) : I can bet you the Sharks would have stuffed up such an opportunity presented to them. The scrummy would have passed to a stationary player who would have run into the first person he saw.

    The Brumbies 9 picked a player running from deep at speed, and boom – you have a try.

    This is what I mean about lacking the skills to play running rugby. Not just passing and catching, but also getting yourself into a good position off the ball, drawing the man before you pass, etc.

    I still think under the conditions it made sense not to try and run from your own half, and rather kick for position. Obviously when you do get the opportunities in their 22, you should be able to use them.

    However when the Sharks get into the opposition half, they have no idea to attack. When they do manage something, somebody will inevitable drop the ball, or get turned over.

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.05.14 09:41:47 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Okes let me just say that if Jake doesn’t change the way we are playing rugby at the moment we are going to take 40 from this Crusaders side.

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.05.14 09:55:06 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 55) :Sure, running doesn’t mean taking unnecessary risks. That lock scored, because he identified the space before he received the ball. Our players would have tried to run over the first defender in sight.

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.05.14 10:10:24 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I wish Brendan Venter stayed with the sharks. With him we played a good kicking game but we were still able to play good attacking rugby. Also loved his rotation system

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.05.14 12:50:03 by woody Reply
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  • You call that a slugfest?
    I’d call it a kick-a-thon.
    80 minutes dryfings.
    And the team that kick the most, won the match.

    Where’s the bloke that predicted 2014 would be the year that the dour Bulls game-plan would be put to bed, finally?
    Now we have, Brumbies playing like Bulls, Sharks playing like Bulls, Force playing like Bulls! Who else? It piss me off big time. If everyone play Bulls rugby, what the hell are the Bulls going to do?

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.05.14 13:40:43 by fyndraai Reply
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  • It’s interesting to me that JW and his gameplan are being blamed for this loss. It’s reaaly disappointing to see that regardles of what the team did on the field the coach will be blamed. Must suck to have that job.

    I despise the kicking game as much as the next guy, but it kicks weren’t the problem – in fact in the first half some smart kicking got as in good attacking position. It’s what we did from these positions that disappointed me most. We actually looked much better with ball in hand, but managed to throw good possesion and territory away with bad desicions and skills.

    I blame the playefs. We could have won this one and scored plenty of tries if we were able to play with patience and control.

    This Sharks team won’t be able to execute a running game plan like the kiwi teams does. I would put them through so many passing and catching drills they would get sick of it.

    Oh and McLoed should never be allowed to pass a ball ever again. Reinach made a marked difference to the team. To bad he was the main culprit in giving away that try. His passing is miles ahead of McLoeds though and his attack glood good also.

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.05.14 15:03:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 60) : What you’re saying is what us whiners said four weeks ago. Check your own posts of that time and then criticise yourself for seeing the light.

    Ek gee jou net bietjie kak. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.05.14 16:11:02 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 61) : all there problems you saw four weeks ago is not something caused by JW. If a professional rugby player can’t catch a ball who do you blame the guy that coached him for three months or the one that coached him more than two years? Give the coach a decent chance to prove himself before sharpening the pitchforks! !!!

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.05.14 17:06:19 by JD Reply
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  • This shit is what Jake calls a game plan. If it is not, then he should have stepped up and talked his team into his game plan. You can be assured that JW makes all these calls.

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.05.14 18:25:31 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 62) : I’m not giving Jake a go for us not being able to catch and pass. That’s a basic, which every one of us learned in primary school, and I would never hold Jake responsible for that.

    Somebody decides how we play. That guy is Jake, who is quick to mouth off about how we have things under control and talking about how we know what to do against whoever the next opposition is.

    Do you see any improvement in our “gameplan”. No. Do you see any improvement in leadership? Jake made Bismarck captain. Bismarck is as big a whiner as his brother.

    This team is one big couldron of chiefs and one or two indians. There’s no noticeable coherence, no communication on the field and no direction. Some responsibility goes to Jake, some to the players.

    I don’t care. I’m sick of sitting through the same crap every year in the name of being a “supporter”.

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.05.14 18:40:25 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Crusaders to win the cup at a canter

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.05.14 18:48:12 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • We will be lucky to reach semis

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.05.14 18:48:44 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 64) : you can’t change the game plan to a running game if the players can’t pass and catch the ball. I also think things must be changed but unfortunately JW is new and it will take time, there’s no magic tricks it’s hard work and time that gells the coach and team into a winning unit. That’s why I have a huge problem with BMH taking over for the Currie cup cause once again the Sharks will have a new coaching team and three months later they must get used to JW again!!!!

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.05.14 19:54:37 by JD Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 66) : who will keep them out of the semi’s?

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.05.14 19:55:25 by JD Reply
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  • There is a lot of doom and gloom on the site and the problem has really been identified – our backline does not fire and the game is basically a 10 man game. This has been the case ever since the second game in Super 14 this year – the inability of the backline to score tries.

    The main reason is that we have at present a donkey kicking flyhalf – nothing strategic in his kicking and a crashballer to boot.

    Steyn is the main reason why our backline is not firing. I believe he does not have ball sense and does not know how to take options beneficial to the team. On Saturday he handled the ball 42 times – kicked at 17 times – carried it 17 times (mainly crasballing) and passed the ball 8 times. Howe a backline can function properly with that amount of balls can never be expected.

    If you analyse the situation of all the SA backlines you would find that the Sharks outside backs and 13 centers receive less balls in full backline plays than any players of any other team in Super 15. That accounts for the unproductive sharks backline play insofar as scoring of tries is concerned.

    With Steyn in the backline you can be absolutely sure that there will be constant kicking and crashballing – that is the only way he played at present. That also means that the game is confined and our backline will malfunction – sad to say.

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.05.14 21:26:46 by Michael Reply

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  • Jw doesn’t trust the players to play their natural game. Like HMeyer he wants them to play a warped territory game without a Morne Steyn to execute this. He needs to trust each selection to play the game as they have been selected for.

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.05.14 21:57:24 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Where is Tim Whitehead?

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.05.14 22:30:36 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 71) :

    Injured and on his way to the Kings.

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.05.14 07:19:04 by Maria Delport Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 70) :

    The problem is I don’t think their “natural game” is functioning well at all, at this moment.

    Just as an example. We disrupted Brumbies line out between the halfway and 22 in our own half. The ball went loose and Sithole pounced in oodles of space. Seriously, any team worth it’s salt would have, at the very least, gotten extremely close to scoring. Sithole ran at an angle. Had Mvovo on his outside and JPP cutting inside with Keegan right behind him. All this with 2 defenders and a nother making his way across. Please tel me how JW coached the pass that followed into Sithole – over his shoulders and unto JPP’s ankles. That’s not on.

    The problem is. We are playing – kick first and run when opportunities presents itself game plan. The problem is when opportunities do arise these guys can’t execute. It’s disappointing to say the least.

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.05.14 07:24:42 by Maria Delport Reply

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  • @Michael (Comment 69) : Steyn not have ball sense? He’s one of SA’s most gifted players in that regard! If allowed to play his natural game he’d do a lot better, but he was just executing the gameplan as laid down by the coaches. I’m not saying it’s a good gameplan, but he followed orders. Blaming a loss or a try drought on one player is very unfair. JW like to play in close to the forwards with territory a huge factor, always have. He’ll have to adapt his plan going forward, seeing as it’s not really working at the moment.

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.05.14 07:24:44 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 74) :

    If kicking at all cost is “forced” on the players. Then why did we make one play from our own 22 into the Brumbies 22?

    That play didn’t break down because of a kick, that play broke down because one of our most experienced players flung a pass over Deysel’s head into touch. Why JW’s name comes up so much when Keegan threw that pass, is beyond me. Our maybe Keegan threw that pass because of Jake and then we should still be upset with Keegan.

    Btw, I also think there is too much kicking going on and therefore feel like Jake should be starting to look at implementing more holding onto the ball tactics – he’s not blameless, but I don’t like how putting the blame on Jake has taken all blame of the players.

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.05.14 07:30:24 by Maria Delport Reply

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  • @Maria Delport (Comment 75) : Jake is going to have to invest in some serious skills training with the Sharks, and I am not just talking about passing and catching, but the other skills like the work off the ball to get yourself into the right position to receive the ball, placing the ball correctly at the tackle, etc. The players are also not blameless – surely a professional player should see that they have a problem with a particular skill and put in extra work to correct that.

    The Sharks is the team that concedes the most turnovers on average per game of all super 15 teams this year. There is just no way you can build up an attacking game plan until you solve that problem. That is why I believe the current plan is the best for the team in its current state.

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.05.14 07:55:18 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Firstly I am a Sharks supporter through and through win or lose, altho losing makes supporting just that bit harder i guess. But hey it could be worse, we could be Stormers supporters! My biggest gripe (and I think Stormers fans kinda feel the same) is that we are no longer playing Natal rugby. Natal rugby is a full out balls to the wall approach where guys express themselves and arent afraid of making mistakes. Its high tempo rugby where forwards get stuck in and allow the backs to run free. Unfortunately at the moment we arent playing rugby. We spend 90% of the game trying to prevent the opposition from playing and yes that may get us a few wins but its difficult to watch and im sure some players are frustrated. JW we have the players and ability, just let them play

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.05.14 08:23:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) :

    Sensible comment. I would also like to see our guys just play a little more. I feel like we can, but I really don’t want us to just fling the ball around score 3 tries or more, just to lose the match. I know, at this point that seems better than what’s happening now – not playing and still losing, but actually I just want the guys to play the game that’s going to give us 5 more wins before the play-offs.

    The thing is, I actually thing more running and less of this endless kicking, could just be the thing that gives us those wins. That’s what’s so disappointing of the way we are playing, I know we’re better than this. Aren’t we?

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.05.14 08:44:47 by Maria Delport Reply

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  • @Maria Delport (Comment 78) : U are correct, Im not for 1 minute saying throw the ball around like the cheetahs for example. Im saying let the guys play- so forwards do what they good at and bash and smash and give good ball to the backs and the backs must run and attack and not just kick it away.

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.05.14 09:11:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • We need more speedsters in the backline. :twisted:

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.05.14 09:13:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • PTAShark

    I am not saying the fact that Steyn has no ball sense without reason. I can quot many examples where he showed a serious lack of that quality. Lets look at the Highlanders game – the Sharks won a tight head scrum and all Steyn did was to kick the ball into the in goal area and Ben Smith touched down. Even a high school coach would say pass the ball in such cases. The Sharks backline has had overlaps in numerous cases and Steyn neutralized that by making skip passes or making no asses at all and hoarding the ball. Al thse are cases where ball sense would result in better play.

    Lets face facts – Steyn rarely passes balls to players outside of him. In the Hurricanes game he made 5 ball passes and only one of those were to Marais – the rest were to other players – he never once passed a ball to Jordaan or any players outside of him.

    It is easy too blame the game plan 0 but who decides on what to do on the field of play. There the player must decide what to do in given circumstances. A player that only executes a game plan is robotic and we do not need players at 10 and 12 who are robotic.
    Steyn has shown nothing of being a gifted ball sense player since his return from France. Last year he was awfully poor and this year definitely no better.

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.05.14 09:16:26 by Michael Reply

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  • No matter how we view our gameplan. If JW does not change our predictability in NZ we are going to be slaughtered!!!! His words: If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.
    I believe the shit ball handling springs from the fact that we expect the player to kick rather than pass. We seem shocked when someone offloads. Like it is a sin.

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.05.14 09:19:23 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Michael (Comment 81) : Who else do you propose play at 10 then?

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.05.14 09:22:13 by benji Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 76) : I agree

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.05.14 09:25:13 by benji Reply
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  • We do not not more speedsters in the backline – we have enough – but they never see the ball from their inside backline players, because it is routinely kicked away or hoarded by the flyhalf or the 12. It happened game after game and the outside backs must either go and look for balls or find themselves isolated.

    Another issue is the loss of balls through turnovers. The reason is clear to see – We have loosies who do not do any ball protection or recovery at breakdown situations and other than Birmarck and Coetzee – the other forwards turn up too late to ensure ball recovery. Kankowski and Daniel has been good in that regard in the past – but I am afraid that Kankowski has lost the plot in Japan and Daniel has had very little game time this year and is not up to standard at this stage.

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.05.14 09:29:43 by Michael Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 82) :

    I don’t think we’ll be slaughtered, but I doubt that we’ll win. However, one can also say – if Jake does change our predictability in NZ we will be slaughtered.

    Look, I’d love it if the Sharks could play like the Crusaders and win, but I just don’t think it would be a good idea to try and beat these guys playing their game.

    Kicking and forwards based rugby would still need to be a big part of our plan, maybe just a little less than the past 5 games.

    Btw I thought out kicking in the first half was good. It got us into good areas of the field. We didn’t use that possession well in the first half. In the second half our kicking really became just inaccurate and pointless.

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.05.14 09:36:38 by Maria Delport Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 83) : Until Fred can play, we have no choice but Swiel and Steyn. I would play Swiel against the Crusaders (and rest Steyn), and then play Steyn against the Blues (but only tell him on the morning).

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.05.14 09:41:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Why are you guys so negative now?

    You must have known the Brumbies would be tough?

    The Saders will be even more difficult…
    I d seriously consider giving Steyn a well earned rest this weekend.
    We need to save him for the games we can win!

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.05.14 09:47:06 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 88) : I would rest Steyn and Alberts and rotate the front row. Lewies limping off at the end may make the resting of Alberts a problem though – I hope nothing serious.

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.05.14 09:49:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : I think I said it about a month ago. Support the Sharks to the hilt but dont watch them to get any game enjoyment – the Lions and Bulls will be better bets for that.

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.05.14 09:50:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Rotation has been a problem yes. No clue why players are being played into the ground, very detrimental to the side.

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.05.14 09:54:03 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : Man how some of those Natal teams of old would have loved to have had the scrum that we have these days.

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.05.14 09:54:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 90) : How about that Lions Come Back!?

    Elton almost cost me my life in LMS !
    Luckily he s always very consistant!

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.05.14 09:55:24 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 87) : I agree ,The Great White does not have a choice at 10 and hopefully Fred Z is not a glass boy

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.05.14 09:56:27 by benji Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 93) : Brilliant, and willing to change the game plan according to what is happening on the field.

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.05.14 10:13:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 92) :

    That said, the ref didn’t seem ti think our scrums were that impressive. It’s incredible to think that you could dominate a set piece, yet the opposition was rewarded 2 penalties and you 0, in the same set piece.

    That’s another thing that has been bugging me. What are we doing wrong that refs aren’t willing to reward us for our dominance at scrum time? This was one of our trump cards in the first few games. Then, the last 4 games or so, nothing – we continue to push opposition away, but it’s just play-on from the refs.

    Doesn’t seem fair to me.

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.05.14 10:14:50 by Letgo Reply
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