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White ponders change of approach


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Posted in :In the news, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 May 2014 at 08:41
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Speaking to The Mercury’s Craig Lewis, Cell C Sharks Director of Rugby Jake White has acknowledged that his team – who have been struggling to cross the try line of late – need to work on their attacking game.

“I know people are talking about our attack, and I realise that we’ve gone into our shells a bit,” White told Lewis, who is on tour with the team in New Zealand.

“We’ve been trying to grind out wins, but perhaps that’s not the right way to do it when you’re away from home, where you don’t always get the same sort of rewards. We have to adapt, but it is such a fine balance, because do you risk having a go at changing it? It doesn’t happen overnight, you need to adjust things subtly, and it takes time. I’m fully aware that the way the style is going is not the way I’d like it to be. But at the same time, when you are still getting results and managing to get across the line, you can tend to get a bit seduced by that.”

White makes a valid point in that the Sharks group has only been together under his leadership for 11 games and that the conservative “rut” into which they appear to have fallen is mostly due to dropping back into safety first mode as they try to find each other. Constant reshuffling of the backline (and halfbacks in particular) due to injury is hardly helping the cohesion.

“I’d like our game to evolve, but it’s probably naive to think you can do that from week to week as drastically as may be needed when you are in your first six months with a group,” White adds.

“I know some people may have a perception that I’m conservative as a coach, but it’s not that. It’s just about playing to the strengths you have as a group at a certain time.”

The Sharks aim to become the first non-Kiwi side to defeat the Crusaders in Christchurch in 50 attempts when they face them on Saturday morning.



66 Comments

  • That is some valid points that White is making. Sometimes us fans forget that they have only played a handful of games under him. Hopefully he manages to tweak the game plan a bit to use our potent attackers more. We just need to stay top of the log, two more weeks and Fred should be back and a couple after that Lambie would also return. We have the correct type of arrows to attack with, we just need the correct archer to utilize them, and Frans isn’t that archer, he is the bow.

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.05.14 09:02:26 by KingRiaan Reply
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  • At last sanity prevails :cool: Admitting things is not going so great is a start.

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.05.14 09:02:47 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • Just a point I’d like to add. The core of this group has played together for years so they should have no excuse in that department.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.05.14 09:05:44 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • PR issues. :lol:

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.05.14 09:10:17 by Talent Reply
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  • It is going to take time to fix the attacking deficiencies. It is not like the players are doing anything different than what the team did last year in the S15.

    The last time the back line had a plan at super level was in 2012 when we had a little French general at 10.

    I would just concentrate on trying to keep the ball for longer when we do end up in the strike zone. So many promising chances go to waste due to balls being spilled or dropped. And lastly drill it into all players to attack space – not try and run over players.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.05.14 09:12:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 1) : that is what if have been saying all the time. Give the coach and players time.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.05.14 09:18:47 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 5) : Forget about that last sentence of yours. This is SA. We need a whole generation of schoolboys to grow up with a space mindset, like they do in NZ, before anything will change.

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.05.14 09:20:45 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 7) : One can only hope

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.05.14 09:22:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Son Of Mayhem (Comment 3) : yes they have been together for a while but under other coaches with other ideas of how to play.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.05.14 09:22:25 by JD Reply
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  • I would’ve liked Jake to rather go on about how we’re not going to change our game, because it’s what took us to the top of the log and then catch the Crusaders off guard with a hell for leather ball in hand attacking style.

    I think they now know that we’ll be doing things a little differently against them.

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.05.14 09:23:42 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Oh boy, reading this does not get the confidence or expectations up. Maybe thats the point of it.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.05.14 09:24:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 5) : Well without Lambie or Fred Z, we’ve got a make shift 10 who is out of his favoured position.

    Looking back at the games when Lambie was playing, we seemed very balanced on attack and defence, with tries and bonus points were flowing in nicely.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.05.14 09:24:16 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 7) : i think this rucking pads and drifing pads should be scrapped as this teaches the players to run into things instead of around things, maybe they should use barbed wire shields to get the players to run into space. :twisted:

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.05.14 09:27:43 by JD Reply
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  • Jake the Snake speaks! Has anyone else noticed how the rhetoric has now changed from “we are going too win this” to “you can’t expect too much after only 6 months”? Classic spin if ever I heard it! :roll:

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.05.14 09:30:55 by Greg Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 12) : 100%

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.05.14 09:34:29 by Talent Reply
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  • Give me Swiel at 10, give him license to play his natural game, and keep that ball as far away from the Saders as possible.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.05.14 09:38:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 16) : I cant understand why Swiel is in the squad, he is the only real flyhalf there and he doesnt even make the bench. Play him, but without the pressure of taking the kicks.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.05.14 09:50:09 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • He makes valid and invalid points…I don’t expect us to tear defences apart.

    But kicking us NOT a strength in this group whether he likes it or not!!! None of Reinach, McLeod, Steyn, Mvovo and co are prolific with the boot tactically!!! NONE of them.

    On the other side we have rapid players with devastating running games in Kanko, Keegan, Reinach, Jordaan, Sithole, Mvovo etc!!! – that is our strength so try it more!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.05.14 09:53:59 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 12) : Lambie at 10 made some difference – in the 3 games he played Sharks scored 8 tries. In the game where Steyn was deputising for him the Sharks scored 4 against the Lions. In our first 4 games we scored 12 tries, but then after that the tries dried up and we could only manage 6 more in the 7 games since then.

    However I would say it was not just the loss of Lambie, but also of Reinach (who scored 3 brilliant individual tries) as well as PSDT who along with Alberts provided a lot of go forward to the Sharks.

    The bulk of the tries were still scored from individual brilliance (Reinach), turnovers, 1 intercept, opposition fumbling a kick receive and lineout drives. I would say about 3 (maybe 4) out of the 12 were from well constructed back line plays (e.g. Jordaan after good interplay between Lambie and Mvovo, and Ndungane from an excellent cross kick by Steyn).

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.05.14 10:02:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 17) : Yeah I totally agree with this. I’d be playing Swiel and have Frans take the kicks. Shifting Frans to 10 means we have 2 players out of their preferred positions.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.05.14 10:02:47 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 18) : You make a fair point I hadn’t considered – we don’t have the most accurate tactical kickers in our squad (apart from Steyn and Lambie when they’re on form). I think however that because we’ve been getting good results for the most part with our kicking approach it has become a comfort zone of sorts for us.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.05.14 10:08:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 21) : Fred can also put in some pin point kicks.

    My problem with some of the kicking we saw in recent games is that there seems to be no thinking behind it, and often no chase. It is simply a mindless kick down field. I agree with Naas Botha – a good kick is one that puts you in a better situation, not simply surrender the ball because you have no idea what to do with it.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.05.14 10:11:18 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 19) : Indeed! With those two there our backline seemed full of ideas. Same with Alberts. He is not the same devastating wrecking machine at lock.

    Feels pointless having a great player in a side who is not in his best position.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.05.14 10:11:43 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 19) : Interesting because tries from turnover ball have traditionally been a Sharks strength. Perhaps this is where White should grant a bit more licence to players? Having a go when you get turnovers in good field positions instead of kicking for safety may just be the sort of subtle change the Sharks need right now.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.05.14 10:12:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 24) : Although to be fair the try against the Rebels came from a turnover in our 22. So I would not say that the Sharks never runs from turnovers in their own half. I recall a number of breakouts that came to nought because someone drops the pill as soon as we gets into striking distance, or passes to the wrong player.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.05.14 10:17:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I can’t say that I enjoyed watching the Brumbies game, in fact I told my aunt in Aus, that if it weren’t my team playing, I’d have stopped watching at some point during the game.

    I understand that JW has only been with the team for 11 competitive games and losing Lambie and Fred has obviously made it difficult but the statement “When you are still getting results and managing to get across the line,” is worrying.

    How has that worked out for the Stormers in recent years?

    I really hope we see some sort of evolution in gameplan this week because if they play like they did in Canberra I can only see the confidence of the players getting shredded.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.05.14 10:19:23 by Jacques Venter Reply

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  • Against the crusaders I think drop goals are the way forward, whenever Frans is in range which is a lot… They”re not going to suddenly become the hurricanes on attack, especially against an organised and effective defense, so use what you have.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.05.14 10:30:46 by The Quirk Reply
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  • The problem with the Sharks kicking game is that they don’t appear to kick to get the ball back. Either the chasers aren’t working hard engouh or the kicks are too long. Watch teams like the Crusaders and the Chiefs, when they kick they don’t just hoof it as far as they can, they invariably kick to allow the chaser to compete, whereas the Sharks don’t seem to do that.

    Also in terms of the drop goal idea, that may be the way to go, although the defensive line needs to keep their shape, they seem to be most vulnerable when the defensive line is fractured. Look how the centre from the Highlanders ran through the team like they weren’t even there.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.05.14 10:40:06 by Jacques Venter Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 17) : Swiel will be the perfect antidote to the current conservative playing style.

    Should the pressure be too much for him to make a game breaking move, he’ll have the safety net of Frans who will be able to alleviate the kicking pressure.

    But Swiel must be given the license to play it as he sees fit.

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.05.14 10:43:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 29) : Only worry with Swiel I have (kicking aside) is that he will get himself isolated and turned over / penalised. Its been a real problem with the Sharks min recent years – someone makes a great break only to find themselves totally on their own with no support to pass to or even help secure the ball.

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.05.14 10:59:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 30) : The solution is to have either a loosie, outside centre or blindside flank on his shoulder at all times.

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.05.14 11:02:28 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 31) : Yep, its really frustrating when it happens, and then the guy that makes the break must take the blame for “running away from his support and isolating himself”

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.05.14 11:21:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 32) : Yeah I also don’t understand it. As far as I understand, when a player makes a break for example Sbura last weekend, it is up to the winger on his outside and the loosie that is suppose to shadow him on his inside to get in a position both on his inside and outside to provide him with at least 3 options, play either in or out or cause enough doubt in the defenders mind t enable you to have a go yourself.

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.05.14 11:25:29 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 31) : Jacques Botes is our best loosie (or player)at running support – the others can learn a lot from him.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.05.14 11:26:05 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 30) : I think the players are so shocked by the break they forget to follow the guy that made the break.

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.05.14 11:32:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 7) : @Bokhoring (Comment 8) :
    The issue IMO is not that schoolboys do not attack space but that it is coached out of them from the moment they move on to the senior ranks.
    Off the top of my head school sides like Bishops in 2006, Grey with the Ebersohn twins (& the OFS Craven Week team) in 2007 as well as Pat Lambie’s 2007-8 Michaelhouse sides played outstanding running rugby by attacking space at pace and running good support lines.
    I’m sure there other schools teams that have had a similar approach but that is not to say that there aren’t many schools coaches that do coach what appears to be the national game plan.
    It is what happens post school that is the problem IMO.

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.05.14 11:35:10 by steve Reply

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  • @MysticShark (Comment 34) : Was it not Izak Van Heerden – the visionary Natal coach from years ago – that invented the diamond formation for support play – one supporting each side and one directly behind the running player

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.05.14 11:36:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • SP needs to start! We haven’t scored a single try this season when he has been off the field!

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.05.14 11:42:11 by woody Reply
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  • Let Swiel attack and Frans do the kicking.
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  • Comment 39, posted at 14.05.14 11:46:10 by tigershark Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 36) : I didnt see the Grey team but that OFS Craven Week team with the Ebersohn twins was something special – was probably the same team anyway.

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.05.14 11:52:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 32) : @KingRiaan (Comment 33) : I also never could understand the thinking….though it is mostly our revered commentary and SS panel of “experts” making those allegations.

    When you look at the ‘Saders, when a player breaks the line they have half the team in support ready to take the pass or congratulate the try scorer.

    It’s pretty basic, run after the guy that has the ball. The oval ball is what the game is all about.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.05.14 11:55:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : What also annoys me is when we do get the ball to the wing, the other backline players seem to stop and watch.

    JDV scored a good try against the Higlanders by running a good support line behind his wing after he made the pass to the wing.

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.05.14 11:58:40 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 37) : He was a bit before my time, but I just read the Wikipedia article on him – very interesting.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izak_Van_Heerden

    I do remember the rule (unwritten) that only ex-Springboks could coach the Bokke. I think Ian Mac (one of my favourite Natal coaches) was the first non-Springbok to coach the Bokke.

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.05.14 11:59:52 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 43) : He was before my time, but from what I read about him he made a science of expansive rugby. I believe coaches like Rod McQueen from the Brumbies and Wallabies studied his writings extensively.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.05.14 12:04:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 43) : I wish van Heerden had taught me at school – ripe language and rugby tactics 101.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.05.14 12:10:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 42) : the players stand and watch cause they’re amazed that the wing caught the ball. :twisted:

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.05.14 12:16:28 by JD Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 43) : In that article about Izak van Heerden there is a link to one of his fellow schoolmasters, the Springbok Bill Paynn and his Comrades Marathon exploits. Its one of the funniest, and most incredulous sporting things Ive read in a long time. If you are interested in a good read here is the link http://www.angelfire.com/biz4/bigbrian/payn.html.
    There really were some characters in the less rigid world of yesteryear.

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.05.14 13:21:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 47) : That is definitely the most civilized way of doing a Comrades I have ever heard of :grin:

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.05.14 14:05:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 47) : A real legend! I remember reading about his Comrades run back when I was still very young and it always stuck to me.

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.05.14 14:10:22 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Wow, good story :cool:

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  • Man, what a story! Bill Payn sounds like one of those guys, should someone ever ask you to pick one dude in the history of the world to share a pint with, you’d have to say “Bill Payn”.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.05.14 14:40:41 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 36) : At schoolboy level the successful sides have huge packs, who completely dominated up front and create acres of space for the backs.

    When those same forwards leave school, they start playing against guys even bigger than them. That’s where the problems start, because these bigger guys have skills as well while our players mostly don’t.

    Have a look in SA who the real ballplayers in the forwards are. They’re the “small” guys like Daniel and Carr. Same with the backs. Aplon, Kolbe, le Roux, etc – all have better eyes for space than the big “crash-ball backs”.

    In SA we still want to play to our traditional strengths, which haven’t been strengths for ages.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.05.14 14:50:51 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 52) : I think the system in New Zeeland schools, where players are grouped according to mass, and not age group, makes a lot of sense.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.05.14 15:04:12 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 52) : Back when I was at school, we only had one team in the high school. We had a monster pack, but not many backs. Our flyhalf was a retreaded lock, and our one centre was a retreaded flanker, but we did have two of the fastest wings in the lowveld. We also had a very crafty and silky skilled scrummie. Because of our size, most of the opposition teams thought that we would be playing bash-it-up rugby, but instead we had a gameplan based on attacking space, from us props to the wings, we always looked for space. Or at the least look for contact on the outside of the defender. this help us as a very small school to beat Hoerskool Rob Ferreira in a friendly that year by almost 25 points ( They played us in a friendly in preparation for their Beeld Trophy semifinal ) So we were prove that big boys could match it up when it came to skills.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.05.14 15:09:10 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 52) : In a nutshell, yes.

    I am a schoolboy coach(I wont mention which school), and I can vouch for that. Size matters. Winning matters. The two are synonymous at age group Rugby. Irrespective of your skill level or how well coached the boys are size trumps all.

    I will say that there is definitely a move to getting these big and fast boys well skilled; and that the state of schoolboy coaching in KZN, in recent years, has improved 10 fold. However size will trump skill for a while to come. It will take some radical and thick skinned school boy coaches for this to change anytime soon.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.05.14 15:24:12 by Talent Reply
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  • The problem in SA is that the stakes are very high in school matches from primary school all the way up to semi professional high school games so winning is a premium and upskilling players is secondary. At the club level this is wehere skills are taught and worked on but a lot of the club coaches first have to break down a lot of bad habits etc so this upskilling takes time. Dont get me wrong our school boys are getting better and better skilled but then they are also bought by unions where they are required to perform a specific error limitation game plan thus killing any attacking talent- the biggest example is a certain Morne Steyn, when he first started at the Bulls he was their ‘running flyhalf’ option and one of the best attacking flyhalves…and well we all know how that changed. The SA players have the talent to play either the physical tight game or the expansive game such is our wealth of talent…best thing a coach can do is give them guidelines and teach the basics and then let the natural talent run free

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.05.14 15:47:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 53) : I can’t understand why we don’t implement the same system. To that I would add a ruling that kids start off their rugby careers playing sevens and move on to fifteens only in grade 3.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.05.14 16:00:20 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 54) : I was also in a small school, but we had a first and second team. Once our 1st team played against Michaelhouse’s 2nd team (coud also have been their 4th) and we got slaughtered, because their forwards were massive. I was the tallest in our side, but their flanks were taller than me. Needless to say, we didn’t win ONE lineout and got scrummed into the ground.

    But then we toured the Lowveld and played against Lowveld High (I think their field had weird gridiron posts), Sybrandt van Niekerk and Witrivier Hoërskool and our pride was restored. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.05.14 16:06:40 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 55) : That second paragraph of yours gives me hope. I had almost given it up! :cool:

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.05.14 16:09:36 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 33) : JPP and Keegan Daniel was on Sithole’s inside. Mvovo on his outside. The pass was a shocker though.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.05.14 17:02:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 55) : that’s a real problem. I know some coaches that can only win if they have a “big” team. They don’t have the skills to make average side a winning side so all they do is they “buy” the biggest players in the region. Big players = winning team and small/average size players = losing team, no skills at coaching vision.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.05.14 18:02:38 by JD Reply
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  • Bly hy besef dit nou eers. :roll:

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  • Crusaders:

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    Substitutes: 16 Ben Funnell, 17 Tim Perry, 18 Nepo Laulala, 19 Jimmy Tupou, 20 George Whitelock, 21 Andy Ellis, 22 Tyler Bleyendaal, 23 Nafi Tuitavake

    Sharks:

    15. SP Marais 14. JP Pietersen 13. S’bura Sithole 12. Paul Jordaan 11. Lwazi Mvovo 10. Francois Steyn 9. Cobus Reinach 8. Willem Alberts 7. Jean Deysel 6. Tera Mtembu 5. Stephan Lewies 4. Etienne Oosthuizen 3. Jannie du Plessis 2. Bismarck du Plessis (captain) 1. Tendai Mtawarira

    Substitutes: 16. Kyle Cooper 17. Dale Chadwick 18. Lourens Adriaanse 19. Ryan Kankowski 20. Keegan Daniel 21. Charl McLeod 22. Tim Swiel 23. Heimar Williams

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.05.14 08:08:45 by Windgat101 Reply

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  • Well, at least he’s pragmatic. Points to him. Plum would’ve just stuck his head in the sand and ignored the criticism.

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.05.14 09:05:31 by klempie Reply

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  • Jake is getting a few things wrong, starting by not bringing talented Esterhuizen into the equation, showing a lack of faith in the talented attacking Swiel at 10, playing Frans at 10, playing Alberts at lock, playing Mvovo at 15 ahead of SP and of course that awful kicking the leather off the ball game plan

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.05.14 15:21:45 by Saffex Reply

    SaffexCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Saffex (Comment 65) : Swiel and Esterhuizen is to inexperianced to play together in this years Super rugby. Let them play Currie cup before we use them together. Yes I do think Swiel must play but he needs an old head next to him. I Pat was still fit I would have agreed to give Esterhuizen a chance but not now that both Pad and Fred is out.

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.05.14 15:37:23 by JD Reply
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