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Matfield takes the reins


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 3 Jun 2014 at 09:07
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Bok coach Heyneke Meyer has confirmed veteran Victor Matfield as his interim captain for the June international series.

Matfield’s calm head and experience with the pressures of the role are presumably the factors that swung the vote in his favour; Meyer has revealed that Sharks captain Bismarck du Plessis and Fourie du Preez were the other players strongly in contention for the honour. both will serve as vice captains under Matfield.

Meyer has stressed that the appointment is an interimn one, with Jean de Villiers set to resume his leadership role once he returns from injury during the Rugby Championship.

Meanwhile, it was revealed yesterday that uncapped centre Damian de Allende has been ruled out for up to six weeks with a knee ligament injury.

Lions flyhalf Harnitz Boshoff, also uncapped, has been called up to the squad as replacement.



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  • Ooooo shocker :roll: We all knew HM would give it to his buddy. Sorry Bissie, just hold on for the next coach.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.06.14 09:19:28 by KingRiaan Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 1) : hell did not see that coming at all!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.06.14 09:24:46 by JD Reply
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  • This Blou Bokke bullsh!t is really putting me off of watching any Bok rugby.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.06.14 09:28:59 by JarsonX Reply
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  • When I saw Bismarks behaviour on Saturday night, I realised the captain was already chosen, He looked really frustrated.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.06.14 09:29:14 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 3) : you can say that again. Look even if they keep winning which obviously is a nice thing to see, it still feels like this team has too much of a blue tint to it, its becoming pretty annoying that players who play for the Bulls get a free ticket to the Bok team.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.06.14 09:30:53 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 1) : Bismark is getting pretty old, and doubt he will be around the next WC, So not really a logical choice to have him as captain after this WC.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.06.14 09:32:14 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Why dont he just pick every blue Bull player and get it over with and give our Sharks players a nice little rest.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.06.14 09:32:58 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I’m not complaining because he doesnt pick a Shark, I’m complaining because he clearly thinks that his blue Geriatrics are the way forward. Now is the time to blood a few youngsters.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.06.14 09:36:24 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 8) :

    You mean rotate players and give the old horses a bit of a break after a taxing Super Rugby season?

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.06.14 09:37:58 by Morné Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 6) : Hell if Matfield can be around and captaining the team at 37/38? then Bissie can lead us at the next WC where he will be 34 or 35 if I’m correct.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.06.14 09:40:39 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • MOERSE surprise there!!! NOT! Pssssst someone should tell Jean, that he is also not going to lead the side in next years WC!!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.06.14 09:46:17 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @Morne; I’m saying that this weekend’s game doesnt even have test status and the other games is not as important to win as let’s say The Rugby Championship. I’m also not saying that caps should be given out freely, but clearly he doesnt think the other young guys can do the job. He rather sticks to his old tried and tested players. What if some of them get injured right before the World Cup starts? Then he will have to make due with inexperienced players.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.06.14 09:47:23 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I don’t mean to stir but I honestly don’t see what the fuss is about regarding this choice. Bissy needs more experience captaining and could probably do with a break from responsibility. Victor Matfield, regardless of age is the best we currently have at 5 lock with all the other injuries and he has heaps of experience as captain. The players respect him. More than blue-tinted this choice almost seems like the only option to me.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.06.14 09:48:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : shhh- don’t come here with your “logic”, bloody agent!

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.06.14 09:53:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : Agreed

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.06.14 09:54:50 by bokbok Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : Boet nou moet jy oppas!!! The best lock is currently injured! Wait till next year…

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.06.14 09:55:43 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 12) :

    Well I don’t think any game the Boks play in can be measured on degrees of importance – every one is a must win, and you pick the best you have available to pull on the green and gold.

    Ask any person on here when we lost our first game against Wales and you will get the year and the coach that was in charge. Supporters don’t forget, and forgive any loss of the Springboks.

    As for the captaincy, I am neither a Bulls nor a Shark supporter, for all intent I should be gunning for Vermeulen to be Bok captain (with a view on the future). Victor is not only the most logical choice for me, but the best under the circumstances (until Jean returns).

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.06.14 09:56:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : Problem is, HM’s legacy from the bulls is that they cannot win without Pappa Victor, now he’s bringing that same reliance on one very senior player to the bokke.

    What happens when he is injured, at the bulls the players seem to be unable to find leadership without him. Even worse, we have FdP as vice captain, the guy isn’t even playing in SA.

    Puh-lease…we’re not building toward anything under HM. One year before the wc, and he reverts back to his 2007 franchise leaders.

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.06.14 09:57:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 12) : There are already first choice players out – which is exactly why Victor is captain. Chances are given to players who fill in for more settled players – our centres for example. Frans and Jean are his first choice – now new guys are starting. Locks and hookers as well.
    Our back up players in 07 WC were very dismal – remember the warm up games before the world cup – and the game against Tonga?

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.06.14 10:01:07 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : why not say on Saturday that Vic is the captain now they only do it 2 days after the team selection?!?!

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.06.14 10:02:15 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : I’m on your side with this. I’m actually kinda relieved that its not Bismarck. Not because I think he is a poor captain. He led the whitewash on NZ soil so there is no doubt in my mind that he is capable of been one of the great captains. But a break from the captaincy role will probably do him a world of good.

    I wouldn’t want to see someone who plays abroad be captain so that would rule out du Preez and Louw for me. That leaves no one but Victor in that squad. Unless you want to count Frans, Flip or Duane.

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.06.14 10:02:29 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Look, most of his squad plays their rugby abroad and we know where they (up north) rank in the world. His plan will backfire mark my Words. And I dont have a problem with Victor as Captain. I have a problem with HM’s selections, his thinking/mindset.

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.06.14 10:04:19 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : Good point, but there is a big chance Victor wont make it to the next WC. If he does make it, I bet it will be at the expense of some one younger (better)

    JDV same as above. Who will be captain then? Has HM given us anything NEW in 2 years? Anything?

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.06.14 10:05:56 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : It was the only option, really.

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.06.14 10:08:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • This is not much of a surprise, and I dont think a major issue.

    Also agree that I dont think Bissie has the right temprament at the moment to captain the side.

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.06.14 10:09:01 by stevovo Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 22) : I strongly strongly strongly believe this utterly slapgat policy of picking so many overseas players will cause such damage to South African Rugby in the long term, that a World Cup trophy wont even make up for it.

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.06.14 10:11:56 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Calm down people. It is just temporary until Jean is back. Like Smitty was Jake’s boy, Victor is HM’s boy. I don’t think he will do a bad job in any case.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.06.14 10:13:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I wont be surprised if he manages to get Danie Rossouw back Out of retirement.

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.06.14 10:20:38 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Who really cares? Nothing ever changes in Bok rugby. Same crap all the time.

    Rather watch the JWC and see the future Boks before they get FuBAR’ed even more by our rugby systems.

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.06.14 10:20:48 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 26) : I personally think only du Preez and Flo truly add value to the team. Steyn, to me is only a stop-gap until every one is injury free. The rest is a waste. We can provide the same quality in SA, regardless of the bad season (except the Sharks) that SA sides have in the comp.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.06.14 10:22:08 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 26) : Dont forget that its also only overseas players that have been capped for the Boks before that can be selected. There must be some logic in that but I dont get it…it must be SARU logic.

    Anyway I hope that that windgat Rory Kockott has an absolute blinder.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.06.14 10:23:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 23) : Compare HM’s style to that of JW:

    When JW became coach, he picked a captain young enough to make it to two world cups, and he eventually picked a vice captain young enough to make it to two world cups (John Smit and Victor). He stuck with those guys came hell or high water (which it did, more than once).

    Now when HM became coach, he picked an average and aged center as Captain, and I’m not really sure whom he used as vice captain. I know Strauss was used at one time.

    Now one year before the wc, and he reverts back to 2007 bulls franchise. He begs a guy to come out of retirement because he just never trusted anyone enough to blood him as backup captain.

    So when Matfield suffers from gout or indigestion (at his age you know), whose next in line?

    The more things change, the more they stay the same. Come 2016, and we’ll have JW rebuilding the Boks…..again.

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.06.14 10:25:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 29) : I was going to go to the game but I found something else to do. I see there are also still many, many seats still available.

    I suppose they will be handing them out mahala in a day or two.

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.06.14 10:27:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 23) :

    32 to be precise.

    2012:
    Marcell Coetzee (Sharks)
    Jundre Kruger (Bulls)
    Eben Etzebeth (WP)
    Jacques Potgieter (Bulls)
    Pat Cilliers (WP)
    JJ Engelbrecht (Bulls)
    Craig Burden (Sharks)
    Jano Vermaak (Bulls)
    Johan Goosen (Cheetahs)
    Duane Vermeulen (WP)
    Frans Malherbe (WP)
    Jaco Taute (WP)
    Arno Botha (Bulls)
    Lionel Mapoe (Lions)
    Raymond Rhule (Cheetahs)
    Franco van der Merwe (Lions)
    JC Janse van Rensburg (Lions)

    2013:
    Willie le Roux (Cheetahs)
    Jan Serfontein (Bulls)
    Trevor Nyakane (Cheetahs)
    Siya Kolisi (WP)
    Piet van Zyl (Cheetahs)
    Lourens Adriaanse (Sharks)
    Pieter Steph du Toit (Sharks)

    2014: (First Squad – uncapped)
    (Damien de Allende) (WP)
    Marnitz Boshoff (Lions)
    Lood de Jager (Cheetahs)
    Cornal Hendriks (Cheetahs)
    Oupa Mahoje (Cheetahs)
    S’bura Sithole (Sharks)
    Marcel van der Merwe (Bulls)
    Callie Visagie (Bulls)

    4 Lions
    5 Sharks
    7 WP
    8 Bulls
    8 Cheetahs

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.06.14 10:34:18 by Morné Reply
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  • Let’s hope there’s a long term plan in place for wc 2019.

    @Morné (Comment 34) : That’s a pretty little list you’ve got their Morné, but how many of those new players have retained their position for the Boks?

    From that 2012 group, most have fallen out, 2013 also a few that have gone backwards.

    At this stage, I just hope things will fall into place next year, because we seem to be back peddling.

    Here’s your list:

    2012:
    Marcell Coetzee (Sharks)
    Jundre Kruger (Bulls)
    Eben Etzebeth (WP)
    Jacques Potgieter (Bulls)
    Pat Cilliers (WP)
    JJ Engelbrecht (Bulls) – really shouldn’t make it
    Craig Burden (Sharks)
    Jano Vermaak (Bulls)
    Johan Goosen (Cheetahs)
    Duane Vermeulen (WP)
    Frans Malherbe (WP)
    Jaco Taute (WP)
    Arno Botha (Bulls)
    Lionel Mapoe (Lions)
    Raymond Rhule (Cheetahs)
    Franco van der Merwe (Lions)
    JC Janse van Rensburg (Lions)

    2013:
    Willie le Roux (Cheetahs)
    Jan Serfontein (Bulls)
    Trevor Nyakane (Cheetahs)
    Siya Kolisi (WP)
    Piet van Zyl (Cheetahs)
    Lourens Adriaanse (Sharks)
    Pieter Steph du Toit (Sharks)

    2014: (First Squad – uncapped)
    (Damien de Allende) (WP)
    Marnitz Boshoff (Lions) – won’t make it
    Lood de Jager (Cheetahs) – maybe make it
    Cornal Hendriks (Cheetahs) – prob. won’t make it
    Oupa Mahoje (Cheetahs) – prob. won’t make it
    S’bura Sithole (Sharks) – maybe make it
    Marcel van der Merwe (Bulls) – maybe make it
    Callie Visagie (Bulls) – def won’t make it

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.06.14 10:42:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 34) : Morne, After all these years on sharksworld, you still don’t get it? Until the springbok squad consists entirely of sharks players from captain down to waterboy, no one here will ever be satisfied. Don’t come on and sprout logic, and try and blind people with facts, perception is all that counts, with black and white tinted glasses. :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.06.14 10:44:52 by Greg Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 35) :

    Those who have fallen out or regressed is surely the fault of the player?

    Who that has fallen out absolutely deserves to still be there?

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.06.14 10:45:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 36) : Why not, just because you cant do the same with Red and white tinted glasses. :razz:

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.06.14 10:56:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 34) : was referring to new ideas, not new players @FireTheLooser (Comment 32) : Maybe JW had this crazy idea to leave SA Rugby as a whole in a better condition than he found it in :grin:
    Anyways, I must really stop bitching, I know

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.06.14 10:57:31 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 37) : No one.

    One could probably look at more deserving players that should have been selected and who could still be there now, but was overlooked due to age and/or experience.

    Lots of Bok caps given away when you look at that list of yours.

    As I said, I just hope that there’s proper succession planning in place for the next phase in Springbok rugby, where deserving players are selected and retained and leaders are raised up and groomed from a young age.

    Looking at the Junior Boks from the past 3 years, there’s definitely talented players selected who seem to have a bright future in SA rugby.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.06.14 10:59:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 39) : At least we get to watch Jnr. WC Boks playing some pretty decent rugby.

    But I’m also frustrated with the bland nature of our Springbok team. I want something fresh, new, ground breaking which at least leaves us with a sense of future possibility.

    Now we’re back to the old “maybe next season”. :roll:

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.06.14 11:04:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 35) : you should cross out Nyakane too

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.06.14 11:04:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : We can’t really have a go at the Boks, if our own provincial team is serving up similar bland rugby at the moment.

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.06.14 11:06:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Normally I am very excited for Bok tests, but I just can’t seem to muster up any excitement for these June tests. They are useless and unimportant in the bigger scheme of things. Our players have to play an extra game just because of money? Only good the World XV match will do, is to show how much better Kockett and Burden is than HM’s blue brigade.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.06.14 11:07:25 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 40) :

    It is actually less on average as was capped under White and PDV. 2012 was always going to be quite a few as this is when he started as coach.

    If we look at our top captains in Super Rugby it is a culture to select old guys (apart from the Lions).

    Cheetahs: Adriaan (28)
    Sharks: Bismarck (30)
    Stormers: Jean (33, Schalk 31, Duane, 27)
    Bulls: Flip (29)
    Lions: Whiteley (26)

    @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 39) :

    Would love to know what you mean by new ideas? Jake White seems to be using his 2004 blueprint with the Sharks in 2014.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.06.14 11:10:26 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : I was tempted to, but he might actually come along for the ride until the end of wc 2015 – though I remember him being dropped unceremoniously for missing the Springbok bus. :shock:

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.06.14 11:13:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) : With the Sharks, I have the Saders victory to hold on to…that game is still a thing of beauty….no loss can ever take that away.

    @Morné (Comment 45) : Well JW had to rebuild rugby in SA….he started off with a basically clean slate.

    I didn’t realise that Jean is 33 already. Who’s next in line to captain the Boks? :shock:

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.06.14 11:19:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 45) : :oops: :oops: true
    One question. Do you agree that Will Genia was utterly shyte this year? If yes, do you think HM wouldve dropped him like Mckenzie just did?

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.06.14 11:25:38 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 38) : Well I could, but I would get the same result you do.
    Springbok coach will pick whomever he is comfortable with, just like any coach, from test level down to under six c team somewhere in the back of beyond.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.06.14 11:33:27 by Greg Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 48) : Depends, was Will Genia playing for the Bulls or Sharks? :twisted:

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.06.14 11:38:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 49) : Of course you could but it would really be cheeky doing it while propping up the leaderboard – now if you were on top of the combined leaderboard…….

    And of course all this bithching means squat other than being able to show our bias – the same as all those coaches have done throughout history right down to the u6c’s.

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.06.14 11:51:22 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I have no problem with Matfield captaining. He has been solid since making his return. It allows Bismarck to just focus on playing as his game has definitely dipped since captaining the Sharks. It means Jannie may just shut up and play. And the amount the Boks kick it doesnt matter if Matfield doesnt hit 10 rucks. HE also has a better rapport with the refs than Bismarck or even Adriaan Struass. So makes sense to me. Lets worry about other things than who gets to take the toss

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.06.14 12:05:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 18) : But how can there be a reliance on Vic when he hasn’t captained this side yet? I’d argue the reliance was on Jean?

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.06.14 12:06:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 53) : It’s not there yet…but I only have HM’s past to judge him on, and from that I can tell that his team relied heavily on their captain.

    Whether it is Jean or Victor, it’s still not a healthy long term scenario.

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.06.14 12:26:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 54) : Surely you’re not suggesting HM experiment with an inexperienced captain, who would command bugger all respect from the players around him, the year before a WC.

    Any why should HM look past 2015? The only chance he has of keeping his job as Bok Coach is by winning the WC, and even that is not a guarantee. Would you sacrifice your KPI for one of your rivals to reap the benefit?

    I honestly don’t get the phenomenal amount of vitriol aimed at HM and Vic? Lots of angry people out there but I’m yet to see a single valid alternative. It’s almost like he named Callie as his captain.

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.06.14 12:51:17 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Not surprised by the decision, just find it such an incredibly boring decision.

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.06.14 13:01:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 56) : Purely out of interest. Who would you have chosen for interim captain?

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.06.14 13:04:57 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 57) :

    Dunno. But it wouldnt have been Matfield because he wouldnt even be in the squad.

    Actually – Francois Louw.

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.06.14 13:08:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 56) : Wasnt surprised either. The surprising thing was the cat and mouse games before the announcement. Everyone knew Victor is the captain…seriously

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.06.14 13:26:31 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : @Morné (Comment 17) : Agreed.

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.06.14 13:32:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 59) : I think he still had to clear it with the people upstairs – otherwise he would have announced it with the squad on Saturday

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.06.14 13:39:55 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 56) : Wait for the after game interview.

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.06.14 13:43:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 55) : How long has HM been in the job?

    It’s not as if he was appointed at the start of the year, yet he begged his former captain to come of retirement as though he was appointed at the start of the year.

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.06.14 14:13:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • How do you guys get excited for the Bokke now?

    Seriously I`d much rather watch the Sharks . . . sigh

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.06.14 14:19:43 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 64) : For me it’s simply because I don’t know how not to be excited about the Springboks. :smile:

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.06.14 14:45:21 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Moving along, no surprises here… :roll:

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.06.14 14:55:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 58) :

    It would have been Louw, if he was based in SA.

    Although SARU has a pretty open policy on foreign based players, there are certain instances where the line is drawn.

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.06.14 17:11:00 by Morné Reply
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  • I think a lot of insight can be taken by this piece from what was discussed here today.

    http://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/140603/Mentor_versus_prodigy_mate_against_mate

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.06.14 17:47:05 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 68) :

    Stopped reading when i got to The Bulls were quite forward thinking for that time.

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.06.14 18:08:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 67) :

    Just dont see any point in making a 37 yearold captain.

    Wasted opportunity to blood somebody else.

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.06.14 18:09:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 70) :

    But then, as with his gameplan, there is only a Plan A for HM. So he probably doesnt think he needs to blood another replacement captain. Not with Potgieter and Spies still somewhat in his mind.

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.06.14 18:10:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 70) :

    Instead of?

    If not Victor, then who? And why?

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.06.14 18:21:57 by Morné Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : he already had a blinder of a season dragging an under firing Castre into the final.pure master class

  • Comment 73, posted at 03.06.14 19:20:28 by benji Reply
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  • What’s the benefit of appointing Matfield? At his age, every game is a gamble, leave alone a season.

    Appointing any of Vermeulen, FdP, Strauss, Bismark or Flouw, on the other hand, is investing in a leader who may need to step into the beach in the near future (this is JdV we are talking about).

    A series of so-so games where we have little to fear – how exactly is any of those I mentioned much more of a risk than somebody just about 10 games into a comeback?

  • Comment 74, posted at 03.06.14 19:26:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 74) :

    Because every game is a risk at international level.

    FDP and Flo are based overseas – forget about them, he is not allowed to.

    Vermeulen? I am a WP supporter and I would not pick him.

    Strauss – injured.

    Bismarck – well apart from the fact that he tends to lose his cool as a player what is the guarantee he is going to be around after RWC 2015? So why are we talking ‘investing’?

    All of those guys, including some others not mentioned have been captains at international or Super Rugby level – we have an experienced leader group which can be called upon at any time if the kak hits the fan.

    JDV and Matfield are around until the RWC 2015.

    Talk of ‘investment’ in a captain is extremely relative.

  • Comment 75, posted at 03.06.14 19:46:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 75) :
    Let’s forget about post WC. It’s too far in the future.

    I’m not convinced that Matfield will make it to the end of the season, so I say rather “invest” in someone who is more likely to. Let him focus on making the team on merit and keeping himself mentally and physically fit.

    Right now or fallback captain to our injury prone leader is a 37 year old engineering a come back. And you don’t think this is at all risky?

  • Comment 76, posted at 03.06.14 19:59:25 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 76) :

    1) Is Matfield not there on merit (first)? Which other #5 lock has his number?

    2) Matfield came back into rugby for one reason, and one reason alone – the RWC.

  • Comment 77, posted at 03.06.14 20:04:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 76) :

    Oh and if memory serves, this is the first game JDV has missed since being elected captain.

  • Comment 78, posted at 03.06.14 20:05:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 76) :

    Last thing – apparently Matfield was not going to make it through a Super Rugby season. Seems to be doing allright don’t you think?

  • Comment 79, posted at 03.06.14 20:07:16 by Morné Reply
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  • Matfield is doing great so far! You think 10 carefully managed games are sufficient to gauge his fitness and form for 2 international seasons?

    I know why he came back – that doesn’t mean that it’s a divine right. Although maybe this deciding shows that it apparently is.

    I know JdV hasn’t been injured of late – but we both know his history since 2003. I pray he at least gets a full WC – but I try to take lessons from history.

  • Comment 80, posted at 03.06.14 20:13:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 80) :

    A couple of very simple things.

    1) Which other #5 lock deserves to be in the Bok squad right now on merit?

    2) Matfield seems to be doing a shit lot better fitness/injury-wise than some other, much younger, Bok regulars. Do we need to list the injuries of 2014?

    3) JDV has had the shittest luck around World Cups, but injuries happen, part of the game – are we now selecting on ‘who is the most prone’

    So again, what is the issue here?

  • Comment 81, posted at 03.06.14 20:18:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 81) : The issue is this,you pick players on form and not past glory,both the Bullarinas as well as Netball players are where they are on the SR for a reason,next most of Huge Mistakes choices are players that were past the sell by date in the last WC and now they are chosen again,get real,also yhe wins that Huge Mistake is racking up are against teams that are rebuilding for next WC ,they will be very different prospects to play then,and what more will Boks offer than what is out there now,no new blood,eish,

  • Comment 82, posted at 03.06.14 20:39:34 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 82) :

    Again I ask, name a better #5 lock on merit?

  • Comment 83, posted at 03.06.14 20:41:18 by Morné Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 82) :

    We can also discuss ‘form’ and ‘age/sell-by date’ if you wish.

  • Comment 84, posted at 03.06.14 20:43:44 by Morné Reply
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  • I think somebody at the Sharks,a player who was very instramental in beating the Crusaders and Blues,never been achieved in South African history I think

  • Comment 85, posted at 03.06.14 20:48:45 by benji Reply
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  • Not tonight though, I am out. Ciao

  • Comment 86, posted at 03.06.14 20:48:54 by Morné Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 85) :

    No comment. Seriously.

  • Comment 87, posted at 03.06.14 20:50:01 by Morné Reply
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  • A parting thought. I can’t see Jake White handling any of this differently (luring Matfield out of retirement and captaining him in Jean’s absence) had he been in Meyer’s shoes and that’s why I’m not convinced by the blue-tinted glass argument. Coaches like Meyer and White greatly value the experience of the old warhorses regardless which union they hail from.

  • Comment 88, posted at 03.06.14 20:51:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Francois Louw should have been made captain of this Bok side.

    Matfield too old and Bissie too hot headed.

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.06.14 08:38:36 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 89) : They need to engineer a transfer deal with Bath to get him back to SA.

    They were willing to get Matfield out of retirement, surely a similar deal to the Frans Steyn deal can be accomplished.

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.06.14 08:51:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 89) : If you’re good enough, you’re old enough.

    @vanmartin (Comment 88) : Agree 100%. That’s the reason Jake brought back Os (also out of retirement) and Percy in 04, also at the Brumbies with Rathbone (again out of retirement).

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.06.14 08:53:10 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 73) : Indeed he has, but the cherry on the cake for me would be if he did it on home soil on Saturday – sending out a clear message to the genii at SARU that their overseas selection policy is as archaic as they are.

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.06.14 09:08:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 91) : How many of those oldies became Bok captains?

    Most of our guys are touching on thirty, or in their thirties already. We have plenty of experience as it stands. Though, I do agree that we are very thin at 5 lock, even without the injury to PSdT.

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.06.14 09:18:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • BOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.06.14 17:15:53 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 89) :

    absolutely agreed.

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.06.14 18:46:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 91) :

    None of those player were 37 mate.

    the only international player that i can recall playing at that age was Simon Shaw and he was in fine shape physically and was only a part-timer at the end. He surely wasnt captain and he retired shortly thereafter.

    VM will be 38 this time next year. 38!

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.06.14 18:48:40 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 96) : but with 2 years rest. Sorry to say like it or not but VM came out of retirement to captain Bokke in 2015 world cup.

  • Comment 97, posted at 04.06.14 20:43:08 by JD Reply
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