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Pollard called up


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 23 Jun 2014 at 09:27
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Heyneke Meyer has made some changes to his squad ahead of Saturday’s test against Scotland in PE. The test falls outside of the IRB international window, meaning that clubs, rather than national unions, have first dibs on players. French and English clubs have exercised this right, meaning the loss of seven players.

Gurthrö Steenkamp (Toulouse), Schalk Brits (Saracens), Bakkies Botha (Toulon), Francois Louw (Bath), Morné Steyn (Stade Francais), Wynand Olivier (Montpellier) and Bryan Habana (Toulon, thus all drop out of contention this week, leaving the Boks rather thin indeed. Meyer has somewhat predictably summoned Baby Bok flyhalf Handre Pollard into the camp, wiuth the expectation that the young man will play off the bench at least. Ruan Pienaar looks the man likely to play flyhalf from the get-go. Pienaar is Irish-based, hence his continued availability.

Cheetah captain Adriaan Strauss has now served out his suspension and is also recalled, replacing England-bound Brits as hooking option in the squad.

Bok squad:
Willem Alberts (Sharks)
Marnitz Boshoff (Golden Lions)
Schalk Burger (Western Province)
Marcell Coetzee (Sharks)
Lodewyk de Jager (FS Cheetahs)
Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks)
Jannie du Plessis (Sharks)
Fourie du Preez (Suntory, Japan)
JJ Engelbrecht (Blue Bulls)
Johan Goosen (FS Cheetahs)
Cornal Hendricks (FS Cheetahs)
Francois Hougaard (Blue Bulls)
Paul Jordaan (Sharks)
Zane Kirchner (Leinster, Ireland)
Siya Kolisi (Western Province)
Willie le Roux (FS Cheetahs)
Victor Matfield (Blue Bulls)
Teboho “Oupa” Mohoje (FS Cheetahs)
Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks)
Lwazi Mvovo (Sharks)
Trevor Nyakane (FS Cheetahs)
Coenie Oosthuizen (FS Cheetahs)
Ruan Pienaar (Ulster, Northern Ireland)
JP Pietersen (Sharks)
Handre Pollard (Blue Bulls)
Jan Serfontein (Blue Bulls)
S’bura Sithole (Sharks)
Adriaan Strauss (FS Cheetahs)
Flip van der Merwe (Blue Bulls)
Marcel van der Merwe (Blue Bulls)
Duane Vermeulen (Western Province)
Callie Visagie (Blue Bulls)



123 Comments

  • I can’t believe how little I care about bok rugby these days. I feel no stress I don’t even know where they play or kick off times. Even my girlfriend has noticed.

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.06.14 09:31:46 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) : So true, I feel the same. Don’t think it’s just HM and his selections (although it does play a big part), I just don’t care. I only started watching the game after 20mins on Saturday, and when I saw we were behind, my only reaction was ‘oh well…’

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.06.14 09:37:23 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) : Agree with you totally, especially when I am forced to watch a washed up has been like Schalk Burger going backwards into another tackle,taking up space where a Marcel Coetzee,Heinrich Brussow ,a Koilisi or even a Nizaam Carr should be.
    The guy should retire and go wine farming or something,he has overstayed his welcome.
    But you can see Meyer’s selection policy,you are in if you play for the Bulls or if your father or grandfather played for the Boks,hence Pienaar,Burger ,Louw and filthy Flippie.

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.06.14 09:41:43 by The hound Reply

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  • I’m quite interested to see the team selected from this group, especially the back line selection.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.06.14 09:43:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) : I actually went to a birthday party with my son over the weekend. The number of guys who were standing around and not caring about the Bok game was astounding. One guy was glued to his phone with score updates but the rest of us weren’t bothered.

    One guy said “If I wanted to scream for the Bulls, I’d be Bulls supporter.”

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.06.14 09:45:23 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 2) : to me I feel its mostly HM that guy has killed Player 24. I just don’t care anymore.when I saw wales beating us I actually smiled

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.06.14 09:50:46 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 3) : I cant believe he has called up pollard oh wait yes I can he plays for the bulls

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.06.14 09:52:05 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 5) : thats bad but not at all surprising. How did the party go :razz:

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.06.14 09:53:39 by Poisy Reply
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  • You can make a quite a decent team with available players and still rest a few stalwarts.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.06.14 09:57:29 by bokbok Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) : I am embarrassed to admit that I enjoyed watching Germany draw with Ghana more than I enjoyed the Nelspruit snore-fest.

    First time ever for me :sad:

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.06.14 09:58:46 by jonnow Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 5) : Interesting to note that about 98.76% of HM apologists are bulls supporters….I wonder why :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.06.14 09:59:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 7) : HM’s selection policy is based 100% on players whom he identified/identifies at age group level…

    …he’s basically approaching Bok coaching the way he did coaching at the bulls…instead of selecting players who perform at franchise level (like the ozzies now do).

    But unless you were earmarked by HM as a school boy (in other words, unless your daddy took him or his buddies on hunting trips…) your performance at franchise level is irrelevant.

    Pollard’s greatness seems to start and end with his physical stature…that’s all Dawie Theron could talk about when praising Pollard for how good he is.

    At international level, his size is about as useful as Frans Steyn’s size and Serfontein’s size (we all saw the Welsh 14 run through Serfontein on his way to the tryline) :roll:

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.06.14 10:07:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • WOW, SERIOUS BREAKING NEWS, SHARKS HAVE WITHDRAWN ALL THEIR PLAYERS FROM THE BOK SQUAD… :shock:

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.06.14 10:08:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @The hound(comment3):Whatever he does finds fault because if he chooses WA,JDP,BDP he is exhuasting Sharks players and when he chooses alternatives he is biased towards the Bulls. HM was bias in his 1st year and it backfired with Potgieter and others hence he changed his mind and benches JJ and Niknak for Willie and JP.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.06.14 10:09:33 by Chippa Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 13) : you make an awful troll :)

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.06.14 10:10:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Aah, would have loved it if the Sharks actually did this. :twisted:

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.06.14 10:12:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Who would you choose rather than Pollard into the Boks setup at the moment in the two Steyn’s absence? Goosen and Lambie still injured. Jantjies, Grant and Catrakilis struggling and not getting much game time, Coleman and Swiel not there yet. It leaves a choice between Pollard and JLP – then I would rather have Pollard at this stage.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.06.14 10:13:05 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Forgot about Pienaar – but he gets a hissy fit every time anyone asks him to play at 10 – a position I would have preferred him staying at though.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.06.14 10:15:39 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : I knowl, but what if it had happened. Im just trying to get to the double standards here – the French foreign legion come and go as they want – no one says a thing. I will stake my life on it if the Sharks, or any other union pulled their players (and being at the business end of SuperRugby they have more reason to) then all of SA rugby, SARU etc, newspapers , you name it, would be saying that that union was sabotaging SA rugby.

    You wrote something about double standards the other day – well here is another example.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.06.14 10:17:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) :

    Boshoff ? (who is also a bit injured it seems … but still)

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.06.14 10:19:56 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : I actually have no problem with him picking Pollard who is the last one standing basically who is capable of doing the job.

    My frustration stems from the continued selection of players like Morne Steyn and the ilk who are no better (and can be actually worse) than the options available in South Africa who have not pulled on the powder blue.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.06.14 10:20:15 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 20) : I meant along with Boshoff – one would want at least 2 flyhalves in a squad.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.06.14 10:23:14 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : What about Wynand Olivier, he was deemed as good enough for the last test. The Bok coach even said it.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.06.14 10:23:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 23) : Huh – Olivier at 10? He is also back to France anyway.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.06.14 10:25:29 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 24) : Ahh dammit, forgot he was one of the chosen few that can waltz in and out of the Bok team at will.
    Yes HM touted him as adequate flyhalf cover for Saturdays game in the event of Pienaar having to play scrummy and Steyn going off.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.06.14 10:29:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 25) : Holy sh1t

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.06.14 10:31:20 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Moenie worry nie suurgatte, you will receive some good news later.

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.06.14 10:33:08 by Morné Reply
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  • Only loss is Francois Louw

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.06.14 10:35:14 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 27) : I called it :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.06.14 10:39:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) : I hear you, dude.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.06.14 10:40:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    :)

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.06.14 10:42:00 by Morné Reply
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  • Andre Pretorius is being called up as flyhalf caver. He lasted a full match for the Leopards on Saturday and is only 36

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.06.14 10:46:07 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 32) : :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.06.14 10:46:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 13) : Stop getting my hopes up!

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.06.14 10:56:28 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Imagine in a real world if Meyer had a pair of balls and decided to play this team against a tired already beaten Scotland.
    Julian redlinghuis,Kyle Cooper,Trevor Ndugane,Lewies,De Jager, Marcel Coetzee, Warren Whitely (cap),Nizaam Carr, Reinarch, Pollard, Sithole, Jordaan,Cornel,Lwazi,Willie du Plessis.
    We can only dream.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.06.14 11:05:12 by The hound Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 35) :

    you picked 2 to many lions in that squad … also making one captain … bad idea .. now go sit in the naughty corner :p

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.06.14 11:08:10 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Ya but I balanced it with a Bull and an ex Bok’s son.

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.06.14 11:13:11 by The hound Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 37) :

    :lol: hahaah . okkk good job

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.06.14 11:14:03 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Boshoff and Pollard should do fine in FH position. Catrakillis should also get a chance. Someone mentioned Andre Pretorius? Really? I like the guy but he gets injured from combing his hair. Maybe just a joke? Would like to see Sithole and Paul Jordaan get some run time. I’m not comfortable with Olivier and JP is a wing more than a center (for now). Serfontein good on defence but offence, not so sure he has that down yet.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.06.14 11:19:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 27) :

    im assuming this is bad or indifferent news for Lions fans ?

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.06.14 11:20:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • No problem with Pollard being called up, had a huge JWC, guy deserves it. Hopefully he gets some gametime, a home game against the Scots possibly the best time to blood a few youngsters.

    Any news when Lambie will be fit again? Saw he missed the club games this weekend.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.06.14 11:27:54 by PTAShark Reply

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  • Not even JW trusts Cooper enough for a start :twisted: Reinarch will be called up if he can be consistant in his basic duties and which team does Willie du Plessis and Trevor Ndugane play for again?? we don’t get the opportunity to view schools rugby :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.06.14 11:29:53 by Chippa Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 35) : “Trevor Ndugane….must be the overweight younger brother whom nobody in the Ndungane family talks about. ;-)

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.06.14 11:33:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Chippa (Comment 42) : Sorry Willie du Plessis was Carel and Michael’s older brother but seeing as to the age of some of the guys making Meyer’s squad he should be in for a shout.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.06.14 11:34:33 by The hound Reply

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  • @PTAShark (Comment 41) : Lambie was being paid to wear underwear on a beach while somebody takes photos of him….what this world has come to :twisted:

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.06.14 11:35:19 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 45) : It could be worse,it could be Scarra Ntubeni or Coennie Oosthuizen,posing in their underpants on the beach.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.06.14 11:58:30 by The hound Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 46) : Coennie Oosthuizen :shock:

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.06.14 12:00:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 11) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 12) : Care to give me access to the source numbers on which you base your percentages? I like to double-check that math if you don’t mind :grin:

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.06.14 12:08:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 48) : I could tell you….but then I’d have to kill you ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.06.14 12:09:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Super Rugby is just about to start again, and on cue the story about Sharks financial mismanagment has resurfaced, with as few facts as previous articles! Ho hum story of SAn rugby lets shoot the only hope SA have of winning SR in the foot!

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.06.14 12:35:45 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I cant see Hyneke Meyer changing too much against a depleted Scottish side. Lets also remember the Scots have been in Canada, then Argentina and now SA…thats some serious travelling. Would be interesting to see if he starts his backup 9 at 10…wonder if Hougaard gets a bench spot then…

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.06.14 12:37:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 50) : I think that story was strategically planted, there are some serious fireworks about to explode here.Some big heads are about to go on the chopping block.
    Batten down the hatches because the proverbial is about to hit the fan

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.06.14 12:46:27 by The hound Reply

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  • some might say Winter Is Coming…

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.06.14 13:06:48 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 27) : What good news? Ek belowe ek sal ophou om n suurgat te wees as jy vir my se ons het Pollard gesign! :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.06.14 13:12:14 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : I could live with that… ba dum tish :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.06.14 13:21:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Other good news is that Heineke Meyer’s success percentage is now at 79.3% or thereabouts.

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.06.14 13:33:55 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 54) :

    you cant have all the talent in the country :P

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.06.14 13:50:43 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 56) : When he beats the ABs at least in SA I will be impressed! We nearly last to Wales, and even Naka could beat Scotland and Italy!

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.06.14 13:53:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 58) : The ozzies will also present far sterner resistance than the transition team we faced last year.

    RC will be watershed for HM….perceived coaching abilities and inabilities will be put to the test. If he comes through with a Rugby Championship victory this year, then I’ll be far more forgiving toward him and his blue retirees.

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.06.14 14:02:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 59) : Those are my exact thoughts. Saying 79% success is all very well, but one needs to look at the oposition he has faced. Bring the RC on if he manages to shut me up I will be more than happy to eat humble pie and not to belch at the selections of oupas.

    By the way does anyone have news on Willem? will he be available for SR?

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.06.14 14:14:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 59) : It leaves Meyer in a catch-22 with so many Boks in need of a good break. He’d want to play his ‘bankers’ to ensure as many wins as possible but most of them are in desperate need of breaks.I also expect a few more injuries by the time Super Rugby wraps up. Central contracting can’t happen soon enough.

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.06.14 14:16:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Jake White’s percentage at a similar point in his tenure was around 71%. Peter de Villiers, 69%. Mallett 80%.

    White and Mallett had easier schedules – less matches against Aus and NZ.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.06.14 14:26:30 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 61) : If he gives players a break and replace them with up-and-coming youngsters, I’ll cut him some slack (depends on which youngsters he selects).

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.06.14 14:27:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 62) : PdV had the worst schedule…B&I Lions tour mixed in, 3 games vs. ab’s and ozzies every year.

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.06.14 14:29:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 61) :

    you do realize that this might imply certain Springbok players moving away from the sharks ?

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.06.14 14:32:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 65) : Of course but if it’s in the overall best interests of the players as well as SA rugby I don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about it. Many may disagree, as is their right, but I’m very firmly in the country before province camp.

    Aside from that I also believe that too many cooks spoil the broth but that’s a huge topic all on its own.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.06.14 14:49:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 63) : I think if SARU and more of the SA public were of that opinion it may actually happen but the chances are probably slim.

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.06.14 14:52:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Okay your good news hit the airwaves, Rob will have it up soon I am sure.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.06.14 15:03:09 by Morné Reply
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  • South African Rugby ?@bokrugby · 10m
    Boks have called up Stephan Lewies to provide lock cover in PE. He will join the squad as soon as possible. @Lewies4 #boksinaction @Absa sa

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.06.14 15:11:32 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • :mrgreen: oops lol

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.06.14 15:12:36 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • Lewies called up to the Bok squad!

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.06.14 15:14:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 71) : Too slow lol

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.06.14 15:15:18 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 62) : Really, give us the Stats against those 2 in their first 2 years.

    One thing HM has the luxury of is playing the Argies 2 times a year.

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.06.14 15:19:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 73) : and Scotland! Didn’t we play the Scots twice last year and again this week, Then we face the mighty Italians again in Italy.

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.06.14 15:27:25 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 68) : Congrats to Lewies! What a meteoric rise for the young man.

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.06.14 15:29:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 74) : Yes, and in between we beat England and became the first SA side in how many years to beat France in France. Something PDiv and White could only dream of doing.

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.06.14 15:42:34 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 76) : When are we going to beat NZ, here or away?

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.06.14 15:47:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 77) : In all probability right before we become number one in the world rankings. :twisted:

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.06.14 15:52:20 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 76) : This French team…well, they’ve been one of the worst I’ve ever seen.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.06.14 16:06:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 78) : We wait in hope.

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.06.14 16:20:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 79) : Doesn’t say much about Aus who couldn’t even score a try in their 6-0 snore fest a few weeks ago – and it was at home. The French are very unpredictable, and are no easy beats at home.

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.06.14 16:27:20 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Adriaanse also called up for Bok duty

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.06.14 16:33:58 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 73) :

    Those stats were for the first 28 matches for each coach……hence: “at the similar points in their tenures”

    They all had some easier games, like Italy, Scotland and the PIs, but PdV with the B&I Lions probably had the tougher schedule.

    Super Rugby was 11 games for Mallett and White, 13 for PdV and now 16.

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.06.14 19:00:00 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 76) : Well P.Div’s team beat France 42-17 in 2010, something Heyneke can only dream of.

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 83) : boet it not how you start it’s how you finish and only one of them finished with a World cup trophy in his hand!!!!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.06.14 22:03:11 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 85) :

    The Boks were very lucky in that tournament.

    Jake White is a good coach, but to measure him based on his lucky moments and nothing else is kinda stupid.

  • Comment 86, posted at 24.06.14 03:01:11 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 84) : That was at our home, I was referring to overseas.

  • Comment 87, posted at 24.06.14 08:10:49 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 86) : Ok, let me take a guess here, White was a lucky coach and Meyer is not, his result last weekend had absolutely nothing to do with luck – zilch, squat, nada. It was all charachter. :twisted:

  • Comment 88, posted at 24.06.14 08:42:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 83) : Super rugby – how many of Mallet, White and de Villiers had the luxury of padding their win ratio by 33% in this competition?

  • Comment 89, posted at 24.06.14 08:57:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) :

    Guessed wrong.

    A better comparison would be to say that Jake White was lucky to win a WC and PdV was unlucky to get knocked out in a 1/4-Final. It would be stupid to judge either men on those events alone.

  • Comment 90, posted at 24.06.14 13:19:08 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 90) : How you want to judge them is one thing but when things are written about Jake White you will read the words “world cup winning coach” connected to his name. You cant just wish that away – well some can but it will forever be a fact.

  • Comment 91, posted at 24.06.14 14:25:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 90) : the Great White went to a WC with young motivated players at their respective peaks,PdV went with old men ,a hasbeen Captain ,how could the results for each not pan out the way they did

  • Comment 92, posted at 24.06.14 16:12:48 by benji Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 92) :

    How exactly did the young motivated players caused Wayne Barnes to miss the forward pass?
    England to knock out Aus?
    Argentina beating France?

    You seem to completely miss the point of the discussion.

  • Comment 93, posted at 24.06.14 18:51:33 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 92) :

    Personally I’m of the belief that luck is that area where being prepared and opportunity overlap.

    That said – JW lucked out in the WC. You cant spin it any other way mate.
    To win without playing any of France, Aus or NZ is not really the all-conquering victory you make it out to be.

    Just to remind you quickly – in the knockouts we had Fiji, Argentina and England… 9 out of 10 Bok sides would’ve accomplished that feat.

    Given that we’ve never lost to either Fiji or Argentina, and we’d just put 30 odd points past England earlier that month, how could we possibly lose?
    You still think it was the Great White that won us that WC? lol

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.06.14 19:18:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 93) :

    Mate – its called confirmation bias.
    He’s rearranged the facts in his head to suit his train of thought.

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.06.14 19:20:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 93) : the point is that it’s not one moment it’s a whole tournament not just one game and by the way in the words of SA great golf player Gary Player “the more I practice the luckier I get” you may be lucky but you still have to win the final! !!!!

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.06.14 20:22:25 by JD Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 93) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 94) : ja and I guess he was lucky to win the junior world cup and the Tri Nations or did he also not play against OZ and NZ then?!?!?!?!

  • Comment 97, posted at 24.06.14 20:35:02 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 96) :

    What Gary Player meant was that practice will change the odds in your favor. The 50/50 shot will become an 70/30 shot or a 90/10 shot.

    It’s only true and relevant to events you participate in and can control. What happened in WC 2007 was entirely external to Jake White and the Bok team. ie. Their abilities had no bearing.

    @JD (Comment 97) :
    Now we are on the same page. Judge the man by the sum total of his accomplishments.

  • Comment 98, posted at 25.06.14 01:51:57 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 94) : By this reckoning then Meyer is the ultimate flop of a coach because all the sides he has won against are sides he should never lose to but the one side whom he can really test his ability against he has continuously come up short, home and away. Unlucky I presume.

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.06.14 08:29:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 93) : And Kitch Christie got lucky because someone poisoned the All Blacks on the eve of the final.

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.06.14 08:34:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 94) : All this talk of the 2007 Boks being lucky is rubbish.

    Perhaps if the Kiwi’s made it to the semi’s it may have been a different story – then again NZ had ample time to win their game against France in the end and they blew it (all they needed was a single drop kick). England were the defending champions at that stage and them beating Australia and France to reach the final showed they deserved to be there. South Africa beating England in the final means they deserved the trophy – end of story.

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.06.14 08:48:14 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • This reminds me of the time straight after 2007 WC, NZ and Aus gave the same arguement about how lucky the Boks were.
    If you made it through any tournament to a final – you deserve to be there regardless of the opponents you faced. NZ and Aus were not good enough. End of story.
    I am no fan of Jake, but all National coaches dream of lifting the Webb Ellis and only 7 have managed to do so, Jake included.

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.06.14 09:59:15 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • So sick of listening to this shit argument,we beat both the teams that beat N.Z and Australia, in that victory ,plus we beat the team that finished second twice,
    So where was the luck.
    Aus and N.Z were not in the final because they were eliminated,
    not by Steve Walsh incompetence as in the 2007 Super rugby final,when the Bulls did get lucky,
    or by the biased cheating of Bryce Lawrence in N.Z WC,when Aus did get lucky.

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.06.14 10:11:24 by The hound Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 97) :

    Dude – youre reading what you wanna read and making inferences that werent there.
    that, and given all your exclamation marks, you sound a bit like a hysterical housewife.

    I never said anything beyond the fact that he was rather fortunate in 2007, given the way the quarters went.

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.06.14 11:16:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 102) :

    Its not about deserving. I never said he or the Boks were undeserving.

    I said they were lucky.

    You guys need to learn how to read whats written, not the biased BS in your head.

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.06.14 11:18:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 101) :

    Another one that cant seem to read.

    Where did i say undeserving?

    undeserved
    adjective
    not warranted, merited, or earned

    lucky
    adjective
    having, bringing, or resulting from good luck.

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.06.14 11:19:41 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 103) :

    “we beat both the teams, that beat N.Z and Australia, “

    Erm… no we didnt…
    We played Fiji, Argentina and England. Where did we beat France?
    England beat France mate.

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.06.14 11:25:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Gents! Sorry to interrupt this enthralling investigation into the field of chance, I was really looking forward to this spilling over into the Monty Hall problem at some stage.

    Supersport have released a possible Bok team based on the practice sessions:
    Possible Bok team: Willie le Roux, Cornal Hendricks, JP Pietersen, Jan Serfontein, Lwazi Mvovo, Handre Pollard, Fourie du Preez, Duane Vermeulen, Schalk Burger/Willem Alberts, Marcel Coetzee, Victor Matfield (capt), Lood de Jager, Jannie du Plessis, Bismarck du Plessis, Coenie Oosthuizen.

    Looks like Goosen is still suffering from injury so it’s unlikely he’ll even make it onto the bench so I guess it came down to Meyer giving Pienaar a start at 10 or blooding either Boshoff or Pollard. Mvovo, Coetzee and de Jager are also looking likely to get their first starts.

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.06.14 11:25:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 108) : Mvovo and Coetzeee have started tests in the past

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.06.14 11:28:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : Apologies, “for this incoming tour” should have been added onto the end of that sentence.

    Edit: Why can’t you just read my mind Rob?

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.06.14 11:30:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 108) : Cool. Really hope Marcel gets a start.

    I’d imagine Ruan to be on the bench due to his usefulness in covering for 9 and 10.

    Is it possible for Sbura to be on the bench?

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.06.14 11:36:41 by gregkaos Reply
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  • With Alberts bracketed at 7, I think chances are really good that Lewies has secured a bench spot. Or am I missing something really obvious?

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.06.14 11:37:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 111) : Oh yeah, forget to mention that! “Sibusiso Sithole is the favourite to take his spot on the bench as cover for wing and outside centre.”

  • Comment 113, posted at 25.06.14 11:38:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 107) :
    ENG beat ARg, France beat N.Z ,Eng then beat France,
    We beat Eng Twice,once before they had beaten France and once after,WE also beat Arg,who subsequently beat France in 3/4 playoff.
    So we beat the team that finished second twice and we beat the team that finished third.
    Neither Aus or N.Z beat one of the teams who finished first,second third or fourth,
    and we were lucky.

  • Comment 114, posted at 25.06.14 11:52:22 by The hound Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 108) : Alberts, seiously – if the coach, medical staff etc cant see that the guy is knackered then I dont know. Give the guy a rest.

  • Comment 115, posted at 25.06.14 12:01:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 115) : Absolutely agreed, the guy must be knackered by now but he’s only being bracketed because of a possible concussion as I understand it so expect him somewhere in the squad should he be cleared of that.

  • Comment 116, posted at 25.06.14 12:04:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 115) : Bok team is up! Alberts is out.

  • Comment 117, posted at 25.06.14 12:06:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 108) : If thats the team then expect to hear a lot more from Tony Ehrenreich et al.

  • Comment 118, posted at 25.06.14 12:06:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 117) : Good news, is the rest of the team as you had it?

  • Comment 119, posted at 25.06.14 12:08:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 119) : Sbu didn’t make it onto the bench. Sideshow Bob is there :cry:

    Lewies is on the bench!

  • Comment 120, posted at 25.06.14 12:09:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 118) : We’re in the “where angels fear to tread” territory here so I’ll only say this, the bench may help ease some of that pain.

  • Comment 121, posted at 25.06.14 12:17:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 121) : Good, Im sure the coach has his hands full enough just mulling over what is said here on Sharks world. :twisted:

  • Comment 122, posted at 25.06.14 12:24:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 120) : :cry:

  • Comment 123, posted at 25.06.14 12:25:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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