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Bulls planning their next raid


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Cheetahs, Original Content, Super Rugby on 2 Jul 2014 at 11:01
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When the Kings were relegated from Super Rugby last year, after a generally encouraging maiden season, it didn’t take long for the cream of their talent pool to be snapped up, with the Bulls, in particular, opting to pick over the carcass to fill the holes created by a mass post-Super Rugby exodus from Pretoria.

Of those Kings stalwarts, few remain in contention in Bulls country today, though. While it was expedient at the time to back imported players like Waylon Murray, Bandise Maku, David Bullbring and Jacques Engelbrecht over their own fabled “young corps” during last year’s Currie Cup season, only the last-named remains as a first tier Bulls player. Meanwhile, the Kings are building from scratch and the Bulls are facing yet another exodus.

History looks set to repeat itself if current talk is to be believed. Our friends from the Jacaranda-lined street of Tshwane are preparing a massive raid on another struggling Super Rugby franchise, the Cheetahs. Naka Drotske’s side have failed to build on a maiden semi-final appearance in 2013 and furthermore have already confirmed a number of foreign departures, including that of ace flyhalf Johan Goosen and exciting loose forward Philip van der Walt.

It has since emerged that captain Adriaan Strauss is all but certain to move to the Bulls next year and if the talk is to be believed, a host of other Cheetahs including Trevor Nyakane, Lappies Labuschagne, Lood de Jager and Oupa Mohoje are also very much on the list. Nyakane (WP) and Labuschagne (Sharks) apparently have other options on the table as well, but should the Bulls succeed in luring the other three, they will succeed in completely decimating a Cheetahs pack that for a change actually contains some capped Springboks.

As for the young players in whom the Bulls have invested so heavily? Well, it seems that yet another crop has failed bear the anticipated fruit, hence the need to go to the market.

And they say the Sharks are mercenaries….



61 Comments

  • Ah the big blue cheque book coming out again.

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.07.14 11:03:47 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 1) : And so the circle of financial mismanagement continues!

    Still can’t believe how they got themselves to the point where they offered Jano Vermaak half of his current salary in the year that he became a Springbok!! :shock:

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.07.14 11:08:38 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Always amaze me when we buy Cheetahs, then all the jokes are out about where the guys sleep when we play in bloem etc. But when the Bulls open the cheque book, then it is a professional sport. In any case, they are just digging their own grave yet again. How many of the JWC players were signed to the Bulls already? Only to be discarded 2 years down the line.

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.07.14 11:27:15 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Yep. All those young guns must be kicking themselves for signing with the bulls.

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.07.14 11:31:00 by PTAShark Reply

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  • @PTAShark (Comment 4) : It would make for an interesting article if someone could research how many SA Schools/SA u20 players have gone through the Bulls junior ranks and then faded into obscurity.

    How about it Rob?

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.07.14 11:41:50 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Let’s face it, Murray and Maku should never even have been looked at, nevermind bought. They were discards before even arriving at the Kings. Why Engelbrecht and Bullbring didn’t get more gametime, I really don’t know. Only management can answer these questions.

    I personally hope that they don’t go on a huge shopping spree. du Plessis’ – before his injury did well this year. William Small-Smith is knocking heavily on JJ’s heals. Jan is established now, Pollard comes through nicely. Too bad Willemse is leaving, but there is enough lock stocks left to replace him – and then there is Jesse Kriel – who I am screaming to be included in Jurgen – I will have a 50/50 game today – Visser’s place. A steady stream of young talent is coming through already

    Hooker and maybe scrumhalf are options to consider outside the group, since the Bulls lack quality and/or quality depth there. I wouldn’t be surprised if only Strauss is bought – after last year’s brainfart.

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.07.14 11:50:56 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 2) : That is still a sore spot for me. I really rated him ahead of Hougaard last year. If management did watch any games last year, they wouldn’t have offered him that low a contract.

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.07.14 11:52:59 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Basically all i cared bout in this article was Lappies possibly coming to the Sharks. I rate him and it could be similar to Willem Alberts…a good player at the Lions becoming a Bok at the Sharks

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.07.14 11:53:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 7) : Jano Vermaak is one of the biggest wastes of talent by Jake White, Heyneke Meyer and P.Divvy.

    He should be a World Cup Winner as he was streaks ahead of Ricky Januarie and actually forced Januarie to move to WP!

    His quick service, accurate pass and tenacity mean that he would have had 50+ caps for any other country! Irritates me when we waste talent :evil:

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.07.14 11:57:52 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 3) : Well at one stage, almost half the Sharks team did originate from the FS – not all played there after school, though. I guess the Bulls and Stormers spread the love around.

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.07.14 11:59:59 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 9) : Also rate Jano Vermaak. Wish the Sharks could lure him back (to SA).

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.07.14 12:07:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Cheetahs could never really hold on to many top players, so nothing new there.

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.07.14 12:09:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • Can we call dibs on Willie? :?:

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.07.14 12:11:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Would be interesting to compare the different franchises in terms of how many juniors/seniors they sign and how long do they remain. And how many juniors make it to seniors? I guess the numbers for Bulls, WP & Sharks won’t be that far apart.

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.07.14 12:14:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : my question is this….

    give me just one reason for Wille le Roux to accept a local offer when his Cheetahs deal expires next year, rather than going to France or Japan.

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.07.14 12:15:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : Earlier this year there was talk (from the horse’s mouth) that Jano would play for the Lions in the last SR matches after the Euro season. Obviously this never came off

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.07.14 12:15:47 by Baylion Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) : Don’t know, I suspect the Bulls may edge the other two unions there in terms of juniors signed/discarded but maybe that’s simply perception.

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.07.14 12:16:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) : the major difference, for me, will be the ratios.

    Bulls sign nearly 3x as many players at u19 level as the Sharks do every year (can’t comment on WP because I don’t know).

    I would imagine that roughly the same number would make it through as first team regulars after 5-6 years…. and I doubt that number would be more than 3-4 players tops from each u19 intake.

    It’s a brutally competitive market.

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.07.14 12:18:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Sharks, Super Rugby 2014 Champions. That’s the only convincing one I can think of but I agree with you. He’d be daft not to chase the big money with the kind of rugby he’s playing these days.

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.07.14 12:19:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • just to clarify, I see the Bulls having a success rate of, say, five players per intake of 45 (that’s 1/9) whereas the Sharks might have three players per intake of 15 (1/5)

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.07.14 12:19:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 19) : unless the incoming Bok coach (allow me to dream) calls time on foreign-based players.

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.07.14 12:19:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 16) : Wouldn’t mind seeing him back at the Lions. He played his best rugby there.

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.07.14 12:20:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Something to perhaps consider…will Unions be trying to sign more youngsters now in the knowledge that a lot more of the seniors leave for greener pastures overseas than they have in previous years…

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.07.14 12:21:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : perhaps…. sounds like a race to the bottom for senior player salaries, though

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.07.14 12:22:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Agree, ratios would be best comparison.

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.07.14 12:23:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : yeh agreed. Just wonder if it is a realistic fear of the Unions that they may loose a big crop of seniors in a given year. Then again players out of school want instant success these days or they look to move

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.07.14 12:32:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Anton Bressler to Edinburgh announced,

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.07.14 12:35:35 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 27) : right…. actually Jan is a bit slow on the uptake. That one was confirmed in a Scottish newspaper 2 weeks ago

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.07.14 12:36:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 26) : they move when they see their aspirations to play Bok rugby blocked by Huge Mistake and his circus

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.07.14 12:43:00 by benji Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : sad news….

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.07.14 12:45:28 by grant10 Reply

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  • Rob what are my chances of uploading a short video here? Funny and clean I promise

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.07.14 12:48:27 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 31) : Its Bulls related :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.07.14 12:48:54 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 31) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 32) : if its Bullarina related it can never be clean nor funny

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.07.14 12:52:28 by benji Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 31) : email to me?

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.07.14 12:56:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • rob@sharksworld?

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.07.14 12:58:17 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • done

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.07.14 12:59:45 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 33) : :smile:

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.07.14 13:01:47 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : When is the team announcement expected?

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.07.14 13:06:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) : 8am tomorrow

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.07.14 13:11:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 36) : where the hell did they come from?

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.07.14 13:12:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : :grin: :razz: Presleys in lynnwood probably

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.07.14 13:15:00 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Hey Rob, just had an idea for a great article which would give an insight on how Oz and NZ view us.

    If you have the contacts, it would be great to know what 23 man squads John Mitchell, Eddie Jones, Ewan McKenzie, Graham Henry and Steve Hansen would pick if they were the Bok coach.

    They’re completely without provincial bias from a South African point of view.

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.07.14 13:18:23 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 41) : Is Presleys still going?

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.07.14 13:46:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) : Sadly, yes

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.07.14 13:51:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Rob, Naz Carr and Lionel Cronje moving to sharks. @vanmartin (Comment 44) : @robdylan (Comment 40) : also heard bulle are looking at old Pretoria boy…went from province to ulster, lock…

    Also blommetjies moving(swop) with Cheethas….

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.07.14 14:12:07 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 45) : silly season eh? I heard the rumour about Lionel Cronje… also Conrad Hoffman (again) but since it made no sense to me that we should sign either player, I ignored.

    Nizaam Carr? That would be nice. Let’s see some proof.

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.07.14 14:19:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 44) : Wow, thats quiet a stretch. I went past there a few months ago and didnt recall seeing it, we were chatting and that Lynwood road area has had some serious development going on lately.

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.07.14 14:34:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 41) : told you so

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.07.14 14:41:14 by benji Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 42) : just JM’s view would be good as he knows SA rugby

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.07.14 14:42:34 by benji Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 47) : It’s still there, it’s probably just your mind mentally blocking it out which is certainly not something to complain about. :mrgreen:

    You’re right on the development. Was surprised to see a whole new mall popped up on Lynnwood (The Grove) while visiting my aunt in hospital.

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.07.14 14:50:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • The amount of development, a lot of it residential, going on in the east of PTA just doesnt seem to end, it leaves me wondering if there are some depopulated suburbs around other areas of PTA.

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.07.14 15:01:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 51) : Yup, just can’t imagine where all the demand is coming from. Pretoria North is looking fairly sparse these days, not the fashionable suburb it used to be in years gone by. Wonder if that has anything to do with it?

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.07.14 15:39:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : I forgot about bressler leaving

  • Comment 53, posted at 02.07.14 16:52:56 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • The question that should be asked is, why do so many young stars opt to sign with the Bulls?
    Why not sign with the Sharks or the Stormers instead?

    If you could put your antipathy for the Bulls aside for a moment and think rationally about it, you would explore what the Bulls are doing right and how or where the Sharks could emulate them.

  • Comment 54, posted at 02.07.14 18:58:17 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 54) : easy to emulate them buy all the provincial O/19 Craven week teams and fund it by giving your older star players a pay cut. Sharks only contract a couple of top O/19 players, the rest come to Durban cause they want to play for the Sharks, so in essence the Bulls O/19 is a fully professional team where as the Sharks only enter a semi professional team with players that want to play for the Sharks rather than players that do it for the money.

  • Comment 55, posted at 02.07.14 21:18:28 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) : @vanmartin (Comment 44) : just like Elvis, Presleys will never die!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 02.07.14 21:26:45 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 41) : come on guys share because it’s the nice thing to do.

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.07.14 21:30:07 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 56) : And similar to Elvis, it ain’t aging gracefully.

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.07.14 00:38:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Question: why are the Bulls constantly raiding the stocks of the team that ends last in the competition? :mrgreen: I’m not complaining about that…it just strikes me as not being the best policy out there… :lol:

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.07.14 07:03:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 54) : @JD (Comment 55) : I’m with JD on this one…the Sharks do it by choice…and I think it genuinely is the better policy. Pick your top age group players, don’t lock up your money at age group level and then have a really good academy that develops guys who want to be developed…also just remember that plenty of players only really develop into the real deal AFTER age group level…
    I like our policy…

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.07.14 07:08:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 51) : The real depopulated areas are where I am from…die plaas! Urbanisation is very real and most young people head straight to Varsity and then straight to the city for work. And most of the work is up North in Joburg and anywhere near Joburg. I won’t go on about that, because it’s not rugby related. Actually, it is rugby related. It is partially responsible for us having such excellent support at away venues! ;-)

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