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Awesome Sharks roll Stormers in style


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Stormers, Super Rugby on 12 Jul 2014 at 21:16
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The Sharks have beaten the Stormers at Newlands by 34 points to 10 in Super Rugby, the biggest home reversal to be suffered by the Cape side in seven seasons.

Unfortunately falling short of the massive victory target needed to qualify for a home semifinal, the Sharks will nonetheless take a huge amount of momentum into next weekend’s home knock-out game against the Highlanders. Late tries to S’bura Sithole and Stefan Ungerer after the game had already been won got the visitors’ tails up, after a first half in which Frans Steyn’s boot was the difference between the sides.

An early try to Nizaam Carr – which Jaco Peyper awarded despite no evidence of grounding – appeared to have given the Stormers the advantage, but Steyn soon cancelled that out via a string of good penalties, before Paul Jordaan scored the opening try after good pressure from Charl McLeod at the back of a Stormer scrum.

Holding a 19-10 half time lead, Steyn’s early penalty in the second half was the only score for a good thirty minutes – a period which the Sharks spent mostly defending their line and doing so with aplomb. The late breakout tries, sparked by Jordaan and Fred Zeilinga respectively, gave an almost incredulous aspect to the scoreline, given that the Sharks had enjoyed no more than 40% possession all game long.

Scores:
Stormers (10): Try Jaco Peyper. Converions Kurt Coleman. Penalty Coleman.
Sharks (34): Tries Paul Jordaan, S’bura Sithole, Stefan Ungerer. Conversions Frans Steyn (2). Penalties Steyn (5).



134 Comments

  • Heh heh, I saw what u did under the Stormers try stat..

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.07.14 21:20:19 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • Congrats Sharkies! Great game in spite of Peyper’s insistence to spoil it.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.07.14 21:20:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 1) : Yeah, enjoyed that!

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.07.14 21:21:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Clearly no one rates Peyper. Even Kaplan tweeted his disbelief in some of the calls. So how does this oke keep reffing top games?

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.07.14 21:25:28 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • Haha. “Try: Jaco Peyper”

    Well played, Rob. Well played.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.07.14 21:30:08 by MerckZ Reply

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  • Eish where has this Sharks side been all season

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.07.14 21:30:31 by benji Reply

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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 4) : Why does he seem to ref ALL our games? It’s either him or a dodgy Ozzie ref who doesn’t have a clue.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.07.14 21:31:03 by MerckZ Reply

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  • Welcometo the Ungerer Zeilinga show,its going to hurt plenty if you the opposition

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.07.14 21:36:07 by benji Reply

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  • The Sharks definitely play better when everything is going against them.Its probably better this way.Give us some more dubious refs and the toughest road to the final.”This is where we hold them!This is where we FIGHT! This is where they DIE!”Spartan King Leonidas.

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.07.14 21:40:54 by tigershark Reply

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  • It will be Sharks smothering defence against Highlanders and probably Crusaders and Waratahs attack for the cup.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.07.14 22:14:17 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • That try by Sithole showed such precision, pace and accuracy it was brilliant, it showed how dangerous our backline can be…I just can’t understand why we don’t make more use of it…

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.07.14 22:25:29 by SharkED Reply

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  • @SharkED (Comment 11) : I’ve been asking that same question all competition.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.07.14 22:29:23 by rhineshark Reply

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  • Cut Peyper some slack on the Carr try, that was called by Louwrens vd Merwe, who always tends to favour WP / Stormers.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.07.14 22:33:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 12) : just about every week I’ve read about how quick our backline was, fastest in superrugby some said, yet week in and week out we never saw it…such a pity

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.07.14 22:36:51 by SharkED Reply

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  • @SharkED (Comment 14) : Yeah – athletes do not necessary make good rugby players.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.07.14 22:43:09 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Did anybody else notice what a huge difference Paul Jordaan makes? His work rate was immense on attack and especially on defence. He was definitely my man of the match

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.07.14 23:12:40 by woody Reply
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  • Thomas Dutoit was pretty impressive for his first real hitout… jordaan adds a lot to the backline … barring steyn we probably have the fastest center combo in the world.

    Peyper was very poor tonight.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.07.14 23:18:56 by byron Reply

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  • Better performance by the Sharks nou to revenge that defeat! !!!!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.07.14 23:33:05 by JD Reply
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  • So who is going to admit the truth?

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.07.14 07:02:17 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Pretty pissed with the alberts yellow as well.sharks showed some massive bmt, and remember lambie will be back next week as well!

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.07.14 07:55:21 by PTAShark Reply

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  • Steyn had a pretty good game.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.07.14 08:42:25 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 19) :?

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.07.14 10:55:18 by benji Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 19) : ?

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.07.14 10:56:08 by benji Reply

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  • What an awesome moment to see the unbridled joy on Cobus Reinach’s face when replacement scrumhalf Stefan Ungerer scored his try just before the final whistle.

    The spirit in this team looks good!

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.07.14 11:00:19 by jonnow Reply

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  • I have a feeling of deja vu. Yes I might have been quiet all season but my gosh why in the name of all that is Holy does a team sabotage them selves the way the Sharks do? They looked really average during the two games leading up to this one. I don’t want to be “That Guy” who is a negative tit but this team is capable of so much better rather than the hot and cold performances we have seen recently. Now with their backs against the wall they have to qualify (thankfully at home) for an away Semi-Final where the will face the Crusaders. I don’t want to take anything away from the Sharks, we have truly seen some great performances this season especially the win in Christchurch earlier this year but they will have to find that “spark” for the remainder and they better do it soon.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.07.14 13:12:10 by Farlington Reply

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  • Don’t be obtuse.

    Jaco Peyper got the call from the AR and the fact that one could not see it on television does does not mean it didn’t happen.

    Great win by the Sharks though. They are clearly ahead of the other SA teams and have a decent shot at the title. Whatever happens, the final should at least be a fair contest.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.07.14 18:40:48 by fyndraai Reply

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  • I think the title awesome Sharks is flattering to say the least. There’s still way too much aimless kicking and and too often there are one up runners who take contact too easily. Yes they won yesterday, but awesome would have been not losing to a pathetic cheetahs team last week or winning by the requisite 35 points with 4 tries. As happy as I am that the won and are in the playoffs I’m afraid the odds are stacked against them, having to beat a Highlanders team who have already won in Durban this year and then having to travel to Christchurch to play a team they’ve only ever beaten once at their home in the history of super rugby and that’s a only to get into a final, let alone win the comp. I hope they prove me wrong but I can’t see it happening.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.07.14 18:44:13 by Jacques Venter Reply

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  • The sad fact is that JW loves his individual player and can not orchestrate a team. We may defend as a team but we lack support play which was installed during the cc season.
    The lions showed the SA reams the way this weekend. We have 7 days to find this spirit and by this I mean the team not JW. He’ll select the guys like Reinach and Steyn who create a lot of pressure on the team before delivering a brilliant piece of play before a team player. If Lambie/ Fred and McLoed are not the starting players in the games left we shall stutter and fall as individuals.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.07.14 21:50:47 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • A lack of support is spot on, the Sharks are a dangerous team when the forwards link up with the backs and they’re offloading in the tackle but I can’t remember when last they played that style of game.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.07.14 23:10:07 by Jacques Venter Reply

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  • Germany!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.07.14 23:42:52 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 30) : yes what a final but GERMANY RULE!!!!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.07.14 23:46:38 by JD Reply
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  • @SharkED (Comment 11) : @rhineshark (Comment 12) : Amen fellas…I dont see why its that difficult for coaching staff to see??

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.07.14 00:49:28 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @SharkED (Comment 14) : Again…AMEN my friend.
    @Bokhoring (Comment 15) : Mate you cant seriously tell me that we have utilised these players anywhere near enough?? These exceptional ball runners (Jordaan, Sithole, JP, Mvovo, SP) become null and void when you kick the ball away.

    Quite frankly last night showed exactly what we have done all season. We only had 3 chances and we converted 3 (and tbh 2 tries were merely opportunistic). We didnt even try to create more chances, because ONCE AGAIN we kicked it all away!!

    Defence was good though it must be said

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.07.14 01:12:47 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • I plead with Jake White to take a look at the play on 76 minutes…that is what the likes of Chavhanga, Jordaan (beautiful inside ball), Sithole and co are capable of…JUST LET THEM DO IT MORE.

    Im not asking for reckless abandon but shit we only created 1 linebreak all match. Is it too much to ask for a balanced game?? We wont beat the Tahs and Saders with a ‘strength only’ based game.

    Also if that is our approach then get rid of Kanko and put Deysel there. If you are not willing to use his strengths then let him go to the Lions or Cheetahs who will (not that he would but still).

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.07.14 01:21:51 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Jacques Venter (Comment 27) : your logic, or lack thereof is overwhelming. The Sharks wills struggle to beat the Highlanders because the Highlanders have already beaten the Sharks at home. However, in the same scenario a week later, the Sharks will have a hard time beating the Crusaders even though they have already beaten them at Christchurh. :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.07.14 01:53:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I’m quite confident. The boys played great Cup Final rugby on Saturday like they played in NZ. If we play the same rugby and Jake can keep that level of concentration up for 3 more games we will be very difficult to beat. BTW Thomas the Tank Engine is going to be a legend!

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.07.14 06:49:13 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • I will never understand why the Sharks didn’t just go for it in this game?

    Why take the penalties? Do we really believe that the momentum of a POINTLESS WIN, will be as valuable as a bey weekend, and a home semi would have been?

    Anyway.

    Sharks all the way. Now we just have to do it against all the odds. We almost managed to do it in 2012, maybe 2014 is the year we pull it off!

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.07.14 08:06:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • So Steve Walsh is the ref for the Highlanders game.

    I really rate him as one of the better refs these days, but I’m still afraid of what could happen with him in charge of the match.

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.07.14 08:45:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • I was really impressed by Thomas du Toit, geez but he is a big unit for such a young man. The Sharks played well, but all of that kicking made me almost pull my hair out. That being said, the game plan the Sharks are playing with is tailor made for knockout rugby. I just think that the huge emphasis on defense can be very energy sapping, so I hope the guys are fitter than in 2012 when they had to travel so much.

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.07.14 08:51:11 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 38) : The way to get in his good books, is to compliment him on his hair before the match, then sit back and see all the 50/50 calls go your way all match long :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.07.14 08:53:02 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I see there are reports that Jake plans to start Lambie against the Highlanders.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.07.14 08:59:28 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.07.14 09:00:04 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I see that News24 is saying that the Kittens from Bloem was unsuccessful in signing Fred and have signed Joe Peterson instead.

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.07.14 09:03:36 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 26) : Yes it was the AR’s call who I dont believe saw the grounding of the ball but went with what he thought / wanted to see. If the cameras from all different angle sand at different angles couldnt even see the ball properly then I seriously doubt that that van der Merwe oke could.
    The fact that Bismarck was still telling Peyper that it wasnt a try many minutes after the play (while Steyn was lining up a penalty) reinforces the belief that it was held up.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.07.14 09:05:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 41) :

    Saw that too. Seems he didn’t want to risk him any earlier, but Lambie has been training with the team since June, so he’s quite confident that he could start.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.07.14 09:11:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 43) : Thinking about the player – not the Sharks – Fred should have considered that offer. I get the feeling Jake does not really rate him, and I think Fred would have done quite well in the Cheetahs back line.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.07.14 09:59:24 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Fred has a quality that not many modern players do: loyalty. Loyalty to the unions and team that has given him opportunities consistently from a very young age.

    He has won a Currie Cup and been capped at Super Rugby level – including scoring a try on debut – before the age of 22. Maybe he knows that a bit of patience is what’s needed, rather than simply chucking his toys at the first hint of a slight.

    I wish we had more players like him.

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.07.14 10:03:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Totally agree Rob! and we are fortunate that Zeilinga is a Shark!

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.07.14 10:42:17 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) : Normally I`d be pretty upset with Peypers` try as well, but I had a little something on Carr for first Try Scorer so I`ll take it this time!
    Sportsbetting . . . gotta love it! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.07.14 11:43:43 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Absolutely! And what somebody told me on the weekend, that is close to a bunch of the Cheetahs players. Most of the players are not happy in that environment, especially when they found out that Naka had resigned an extension on his contract.

    So Zelinga has probably made the correct decision to stay in a happy Sharks environment!

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.07.14 12:26:25 by Bump Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 49) : Hope you made a packet.

    Interestingly if that try was not given then the Sharks point differece would have been down to just 4 points – well within striking distance of the requiremnt. It would also have been their biggest win margin at Newlands and came within 2 points of that amazing win in 2007, which felt much more convincing.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.07.14 12:44:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Great to hear this, I just hope he doesnt find himself being sidelined. As a huge fan I would rather see him playing in another team than not see him playing at all.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.07.14 12:47:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • Couldn’t agree more that amazing invisible try by the magician Nizaam Carr and his accomplice (sorry assistant) Jaco Peypers was a beaut. Nevermind the brilliant replay reel showing all Schalks illegal antics and then he cards Alberts for kicking the ball away? Maybe Peypers should have used his x-ray vision on that? I don’t get it what is Peyper’s problem with the sharks? he is probably one of the most crooked SA refs out there. Maybe he trained under Bryce Lawrence?

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.07.14 12:52:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 35) : by the same token. the stormers beat us at home and 2 games later what happened. You are right the logic does not hold.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.07.14 12:55:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 53) : I am glad that people are seeing what I was saying from the start of the tournament. Rob rapped me on the knuckle when I called Peyper biased against the Sharks at the beginning of the tournament (I think it was vs Bulls 1st match. :twisted:

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.07.14 12:59:51 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 26) : But the fact that he couldn’t clearly see it would at least have warranted a second third fourth angle not just one. The AR advises, the call is made by the ref. Not the other way around. How much evidence of inconsistency do you need? Alberts gets carded for kicking the ball away, Schalk is high tackling,clotheslining and shoulder charging to his hearts content nevermind trying to beat up marcell while he is on the floor!

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.07.14 12:59:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : As a Sharks fan, I would not want to loose Fred. However rugby is now a professional game, and these players need to look after their own careers. If you are in the corporate world and you don’t see yourself going anywhere in your current setup, it would be silly not to take another opportunity elsewhere. The same applies to rugby nowadays. However by the sound of it the current Cheetah setup does not seem too great – so he probably made a good move to stay for now.

    I do hope he gets an extended run in the Currie Cup this year. I was hoping to see a lot of him in Super rugby this year, but his injury against the Lions unfortunately put a stop to that.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.07.14 13:02:59 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 56) : Schalch is a bully and like all bullies was throwing his toys on the field with the youngsters who refused to be intimidated by him! How he flipped Ettienne alone he should have been carded! I have never been a particular Burger fan, but now I am definitely anti Burger, may his stay in Japan be a long one!

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.07.14 13:04:41 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • On this Burger issue another point comes to mind, I have just figured why the ABs seem to be so far ahead of the Boks its this damned Provicialism that plagues us (I am also hugely guilty of this). After the match, the interviews etc. I decided to check out my FB, and read through some of the comments on the Sharks supporter page or SA rugby page I cannot remember, and there were posts by WP/Stormers supporters gloating with glee because “at least we stopped the Sharks from getting a home semi”, bearing in mind that the Sharks ARE the ONLY chance SA has of winning SR in 2014 you have already shot your own country in the foot and you are happy :shock:
    If this is prevalent among us fans the players being members of the SAn community surely are also carrying this into their games. Now I understand you go into a game to win, no qualms with that, but how can you explain the donkey’s tail end (sorry donkeys) Burger to go out of his way to injure Sharks players, Boks at that, knowing the Sharks have 3 more matches to play and knowing his team will not be playing the Sharks again nor had any small hope in hell of getting into a play off. You do not see that same type of behaviour amongst NZ teams in their Derbies. Imo anyway.

    Unless ofcourse Burger was trying to create an opening for himself in the RC by injuring a better player!

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.07.14 13:14:53 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 56) : Not so. Lourens van der Merwe said it was a try ie he saw the grounding – Peyper had no grounds to question his AR. It was a definite call by the AR, so on what grounds should Peyper not have awarded the try. Peyper may have been poor in other instances but he cant be blamed for that call.
    If you have a copy of the game you will see that the “try” was scored in the 15th minute, then around the 25th minute Bismarck is still unhappy with the try and gets a chance to talk to Peyper when Steyn lines up a penalty and Peyper very clearly says it was a try and the AR SAW it.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.07.14 13:23:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 58) : Schalk was losing it (and some hair) on Saturday.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.07.14 13:24:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • Still on Peyper – there is a very strong perception amongst other teams supporters that Peyper always favours the Sharks.

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.07.14 13:27:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • Referees award tries on advice from the AR almost every week.

    The protocol is clear. If the referee or AR is certain they saw a try, it is awarded immediately. If they think there was a try but are not certain, they will ask: “Any reason NOT to award…”. In that case it still would have been a try. It’s only when they have no idea either way, that a clear grounding on TV comes into play.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.07.14 14:18:38 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 63) : By implication that means that van der Mwerwe saw the grounding…yeah right Louwrens, we all believe you.

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.07.14 14:31:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • I have never been a fan of ‘incredible Schalk’ and on saterday he just proved why. But unfortunately, in SA he is seen in the same way as that bicycle-faced Mcaw is viewed in NZ, in the sense that they are above the law, yet they are two of the most dirtiest players out there.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.07.14 14:33:56 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I gotta say that scuffle that broke out looked like it started when Marcel did a fist pump in the air after we won the breakdown. Think Burger mistook it for an attempted punch which admittedly was fairly close to his face.

    Honestly don’t think Burger is a dirty player at all and I rate him very highly. Marcel more of course. Loved seeing both of them in the Boks starting line up.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.07.14 14:52:32 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Did anyone else notice the Stormers employing the Kiwi spoiling tactics, like holding on to players at the ruck etc? They really need to get rid of that coach of them, they have a lot of potential but not with the three stooges guiding them.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.07.14 15:01:32 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 66) : Burger is a seriuosly dirty player,you forget the time he was caught in the most blatant case of eye gouging ever caught on camera.
    He set out to bully that kid Ooosthuizen on Saturday and the boy gave him back with interest.

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.07.14 15:05:03 by The hound Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 57) :

    Zeilinga was injured all season. I don’t see how any of JW’s actions indicate that he does not rate the player. He started him as soon as he had a chance, but then he picked up the hammy. He gave him a week in VC to recover and then played him of the bench.

    I thought Steyn was excellent in his role this weekend though, so I get why Zeilinga didn’t spend much time on the field.

    He will probably deputise of the bench again this weekend.

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.07.14 15:12:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 57) :

    Zeilinga needs to bide his time. It’s those players that take the first chance at leaving, that usually end up jumping from team to team, trying to find a starting spot.

    Think Sadie, Whitehead, Watermeyer, Jantjies, Piet van Zyl … and plenty of other Lions players. While a player like Boshoff made a name for himself at the lowly Lions, Jantjies couldn’t buy a solid performance for the Stormers.

    Now try to name a few players that swapped team because they couldn’t get a start at their unions, that actually went on to make a success elsewhere?

    Maybe there’s a reason he’s not thrown into the starting role just yet.

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.07.14 15:18:03 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 70) : Yeah, I don’t buy into this whole thing that White doesn’t rate him. He was inured plus he was always going to be Lambie’s deputy. plus with Lambie most probably going to be with the Boks, Fred will be first choice fh with Tim deputizing during the CC

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.07.14 15:20:17 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 71) :

    That’s how I feel. Zeilinga could grow into a possible Bok staying right where he is.

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.07.14 15:43:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 69) : At the start of the season Fred had to wait till game 6 to get some game time (with one bench spot – no game time against the Lions due to Lambie falling ill). Granted with three backs on the bench you would have one spot for a 10/12 which was mostly taken by a centre. In the away game against the Bulls where Jake did select a substitute 10 he went with Swiel instead. Only after losing Lambie and Swiel having a nightmare game against the Bulls, did he select Fred. At the time I got the impression Jake rated Tim above Fred in that he wanted to try out Tim before giving Fred a go. Unfortunately after his excellent game against the Waratahs, he pulled his hammy against the Lions in the first 20 minutes.

    Moving has not worked for all players, but there are a few like Adriaan Strauss, the same Boshoff (Bulls reject), Sadie (he has been pretty good at the Cheetahs – granted he had to move twice), Schalk vd Merwe (overlooked at the Cheetahs) I can think of.

    Anyway I hope Fred gets time to shine in the Currie Cup, and better luck next year during the Super season.

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.07.14 15:53:56 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : I have not forgotten that incident and, IMO, was not intentional at all.

    What is this talk about bullying? He set out to be very physical in an extremely physical match. Jeez this is rugby! Not soccer. Might as well label our Sharks as bullies they way they impose themselves physically against opponents. As far as I’m concerned the best rugby players are the ones who refuse to take a step back and if tackled hard, tackle back harder.

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.07.14 16:01:10 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 74) : Well friend if you call getting caught on camera holding a guy in a headlock while forcing your thumb into his eye un intentional,then you can’t really calling anything else dirty play and old Schalkie is just a boisterous red blooded boy.
    I think there are hard rugby players, like Jean Deysel,Willem Alberts,Duanne Vermullen,and there are cynical dirty players, like Dean Greyling,Deon Fourie,Coennie Oosthuizen and Schalkie for me fits in with the second lot.

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.07.14 16:14:10 by The hound Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 75) : Yeah I agree that there are two types. I just put Burger in the top bracket. In slow mo that incident looked waaay worse than it was. It all happened in a split second. He made contact with eye area and copped a ban. Not too unlike Deysels stomp. We all know that Jean is one of the least dirty players in rugby, yet a lot of other people claim very differently now. Their minds will not change.

    Greyling firmly belongs in the latter group. Possibly their king.

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.07.14 16:45:37 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Schalk did a proper number on Marcell, though…. grabbed him in the knacks, pulled him over the ruck then appeared to bash him on the chest when he was on the ground.

    I was amazed that he didn’t get a card, given what Alberts had been carded for

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.07.14 17:18:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 64) :

    It’s possible that he cheated deliberately. That he was paid by a Singaporean sports betting syndicate. That he hates the Sharks. That SARU instructed him, because they want to see the Sharks fail…………

    All possible.

    If you’re into conspiracies and all that.

    More likely he was convinced he saw a grounding and made an honest call.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.07.14 17:36:51 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 78) :

    Or it was the hormones in his corn flakes, or the shampoo Malema uses.

    If there’s a straw, Salmo and Hound will clutch at it. With every last little bit of energy their fat little hands can muster.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.07.14 18:01:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) :

    Is that you BoD?

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.07.14 18:02:10 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 70) : Really unfair of you to use Jantjes as an example of a player who left his franchise at the first opportunity and then kept switching until he found a starting spot. He was a capped Bok still in the selection frame, albeit on the fringes, when his franchise (Lions) lost their SupeRugby spot. If he had stayed with the Lions for that year his international career would have been over. He went to the Stormers for one year, and unlike Taute, returned to the Lions. If you ask me he showed huge commitment to the Lions Franchise. There are plenty good examples, but not fair on Jantjes.

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.07.14 19:07:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 73) : Allow me to ask a question. Do you think Jake may have rated Zeilinga more than Swiel and therefore, allowed him more game time at Vodacom cup level so when needed to step in at SR level, he would not be short on game time, and that was the reason Swiel was on the bench and Zeilinga playing Vodacom Cup?

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.07.14 19:09:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : but you must remember it’s golden boy Schalk you talking about. No action will be taken or word spoken about it.

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.07.14 19:50:51 by JD Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 78) : Hallucinating is not a good characteristic for a touch judge to have, some may just think it adds to a history of well displayed incompetence.

    Did you watch the game, if yes, then what do you think he saw?

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.07.14 19:55:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 66) : boet Schalk is the original “vuilgat” rugby player. Charging into a ruck with your shoulder is not on. Schalk was a good player but it was a long time ago now HE’S STUPID AND DANGEROUS!!!!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.07.14 19:57:36 by JD Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 79) : “Or it was the hormones in his corn flakes, or the shampoo Malema uses.

    If there’s a straw, Salmo and Hound will clutch at it. With every last little bit of energy their fat little hands can muster.”

    Whats up with your normally sharp posts, this is just weak, we expct better from you.

    No conspiracy theories from me, just incompetence (again).

    Did you watch the game, if yes, then what do you think he saw?

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.07.14 20:01:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @SharkED (Comment 14) : @Bokhoring (Comment 15) : they smoked a couple of teams on the counter attack this year!!

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.07.14 20:40:29 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 84) :

    I watched the game and noticed in real time how Peyper awarded the try after getting the call from the AR.

    The video replay shots afterwards were inconclusive. Meaning that one cannot say from it that it was grounded, but neither can you say that it was not grounded. As such, your contention of incompetence is not grounded (or well founded) either.

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.07.14 22:49:02 by fyndraai Reply

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  • If Schalk Burger is a “vuilgat”, then Bismarck du Plessis cannot be far behind. He has had pretty plenty run ins with the laws of rugby himself.

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.07.14 22:54:11 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 81) :

    Fair enough.

  • Comment 90, posted at 15.07.14 08:18:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 82) : That argument can be made. Although I think it would be mistake to have your third choice player in a position on the bench in a Super 15 match, and have the second choice playing in a lower competition.

    I very much got the impression at the start of the season that Jake saw Swiel as his next diamond in the rough a la Frans Steyn 2006. It is just an impression though – not borne out by any real facts.

  • Comment 91, posted at 15.07.14 08:25:34 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 88) :

    I think there was enough evidence to at least have a second look at it, confer with the AR again, and determine whether the video evidence was enough to overturn what the AR initially thought he may have seen.

    There is no reason not to go to the footage and ask yourself the question a second time. Was the ball definitely grounded. The AR could still say, in this image you can’t see it, but I was in a position to see it and am certain it was grounded, or the video footage has convinced me that I cannot be certain that the ball was grounded.

    You can even look at it again and say, we can’t confirm that it was grounded, but that there was illegal action in stopping the progress of the maul and therefore we will award a penalty try.

    That’s what the TMO is there for. Double check and make sure that your call is right.

    Pyper didn’t even go to his AR a second time just to confirm that the AR was 100% certain, which you should be to award a try. He looked at the AR once, the AR nodded, or maybe just said yes or it was grounded, there was no discussion, just a quick reply and that was it!

    Maybe we can’t call the refs incompetent, but surely they did not handle this instance correctly, even if the call was correct, which by the evidence I saw, it really don’t seem that it was.

  • Comment 92, posted at 15.07.14 08:29:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 88) :

    Also, did you see that wry smile of Carr when he saw Bissie begging for the TMO saying: “Ek belowe ek het hom op gehou. Gaan kyk net asseblief en maak seker.”

    I bet if you asked Carr today he’d tell you that he didn’t score.

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.07.14 08:31:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 70) : Thinking about more players that moved successfully to other unions we have a couple in our squad – Bismarck, Jannie, Alberts, Deysel, SP Marais. Past players include Ludik and Riaan Viljoen.

    I think the recipe for success is to move to the Sharks and not to the Stormers :lol:

  • Comment 94, posted at 15.07.14 08:35:36 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 91) :

    I think Jake does rate Swiel and might have thought he had something special in a young player, but not necessarily at the expense of Zeilinga.

    I also got the feeling that Jake felt Zeilinga would benefit from game time with the Vodacom Cup, but would always have used Fred as the second permanent option if Lambie wasn’t available. In a way, giving the youngster (more inexperienced) Swiel a taste of Super Rugby, while keeping his backup sharp and ready for when he needed to step in.

    When he had to Zeilinga stepped up beautifully in the Waratahs game, where Jake used him right away, then he got injured in the Lions game and never really came back from that. I think if he stayed fit, he would have had a couple of caps under his belt.

  • Comment 95, posted at 15.07.14 08:40:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 91) : your view can be supported by the fact that after two really bad games by TS The Great White sticks him in a third time,what third time lucky?,in a crunch part of the season,expecting a different outcome,madness,while dropping Fred Z to Cup rugby

  • Comment 96, posted at 15.07.14 08:41:29 by benji Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 88) : So on what basis did the AR make the call and why did he make it then?

  • Comment 97, posted at 15.07.14 08:42:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 96) : for me that biased mad move is one of the key moments that cost the Sharks,amongst others,this SR season

  • Comment 98, posted at 15.07.14 08:43:47 by benji Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 94) :

    Okay, but you’ve mentioned a few that were already set at their teams before moving, except for Deysel, who I can’t remember before coming to the Sharks and Bissie, who came from a small union to a bigger union as a youngster (probably because he had options, not because he was frustrated not to be selected), the rest you mentioned were regular options in their team and moved to another union, because they were sought after, not because that union needed to fill a gap and they were done waiting to make the team.

    Same with, Bryan Habana, Jaque Fourie, Luke Watson, AJ Venter, Jano Vermaak, Piet van Zyl (although, even this sometimes backfires if you don’t make sound decisions).

    I would guess that more often than not, moving to another union in South Africa, don’t work out for the player and they tend to move on overseas. Another player, Rory Kocket, (although he is doing well in France, his move to the Lions was a disaster).

    But there are also a couple of successes, like JJ – Duane Vermuelen transferred from the Cheetahs.

    So maybe there a little luck or timing, or something involved. But it’s not as simple as, I’m not getting game time here and have a better chance at getting game time there.

  • Comment 99, posted at 15.07.14 08:51:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 92) : Yeah its a harsh call labeling someone as incompetent but then what would be an appropriate label for a professional that makes calls on things he didnt see as if he did see them.

    I think Peyper may have wanted to have a look at the grounding but the AR had confirmed with conviction that it was grounded that he probably thought 1. that he had in fact seen the grounding and 2. that it would be poor form to question his fellow ref while the eyes of SA were on them.

  • Comment 100, posted at 15.07.14 08:52:37 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 96) :

    Fred came back from an injury and needed game time.

    Jake definitely rates Swiel, I think he’s also rated on this site, but after a couple of game at SR level, JW and most on this site, can see he needs some time to develop before making the step up.

    Anyway, I haven’t had the feeling that Jake doesn’t rate Zeilinga and feel sure that he would have played him above Tim had Fred not picked up that injury.

  • Comment 101, posted at 15.07.14 08:54:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 99) : I agree – it is a 50-50 decision, although for anyone moving to the Stormers it is a 0-100 (Vermeulen excluded).

    We even have a couple of players moving fairly successfully to Oz super teams, e.g. Sias and Pottie.

  • Comment 102, posted at 15.07.14 08:54:37 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 101) : I personally think Swiel will do better at 15 than 10. He does not show that calmness under pressure that good / great flyhalves exhibit from a young age. Compare him with Pollard – it is like chalk and cheese

  • Comment 103, posted at 15.07.14 09:00:25 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 99) : Bismarck, I think, came to the academy straight out of school.

    If I remember correctly the first time I saw Deysel and Kockett, they were both playing for the Lions against the Sharks on a bitterly cold night in Johannesburg in a Currie Cup game. They both had huge games and were instrumental in beating us.

  • Comment 104, posted at 15.07.14 09:00:37 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 100) :

    I think Peyper would have gotten a pass rate for most of the match, he made a few errors in judgement, but I wouldn’t call that incompetence. Although, when it costs your team a try, it does feel justified to call it incompetence.

    I think it’s the main refs duty to question an AR’s call, as the final decision and responsibility for that call lies with him. He didn’t have to overrule the AR by the video footage only, he could have asked the AR to look at the video evidence with him and asked the AR make doubly sure that his advice to award the try was correct, as the video evidence, seemed to indicate held up or inconclusive at best.

  • Comment 105, posted at 15.07.14 09:01:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 103) :

    I too am not convinced by what I have seen of Swiel so far. I rate Fred very highly. For me, he does the same things Lambie did when he first started playing for the Sharks (and converts his penalties).

    I just have to add, that Jake did mention, as early as the Sarries game, that he wasn’t playing Fred (or Lambie for that matter), because he knew what he had in them. He wanted to have a look at a few young players, test them out at the higher levels, see how he can use them.

    His comment that he knew what he had in Fred, was one that stuck with me and one of the reasons I still feel Jake does rate Fred, he just never really had an opportunity to select him consistently.

  • Comment 106, posted at 15.07.14 09:07:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 104) : Wikipedia has Bismarck playing two games for the Cheetahs at provincial level – although that may have been at u/21 level

  • Comment 107, posted at 15.07.14 09:09:25 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 102) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 104) :

    So choose carefully and be very sure that it would be a good move? I think Zeilinga will benefit from his decision to resign with the Sharks. We only have one flyhalf we can really trust. For such an important position, that’s not a lot. If Zeilinga had left, someone else would have benefited.

  • Comment 108, posted at 15.07.14 09:10:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 104) : no, not Deysel. He was never capped for the Lions at any level above Vodacom.

  • Comment 109, posted at 15.07.14 09:14:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : SA Rugby has Deysel as taking part in Currie Cup 2006?

  • Comment 110, posted at 15.07.14 09:18:49 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : @Bokhoring (Comment 110) : The first time I saw Deysel play was in a CC game (warm up game?) for the Sharks against the Elephants? and I remember clearly all of us coming on that Monday and raving about him.

  • Comment 111, posted at 15.07.14 09:24:28 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 35) : Perhaps I didn’t articulate my point very well. The inconsistency and lack of invention is what I was alluding to. The fact that they lose to inferior teams like the Highlanders and the Cheetahs and then win against the Crusaders is the problem, can they be consistent enough to win on the road again this year, I don’t see it happening but I’ll be hoping they do.

  • Comment 112, posted at 15.07.14 09:32:14 by Jacques Venter Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : If not Deysel then it must have been Alberts. I remember the guy physically destroying us. As I was writing that I was wondering if I had Deysel and Alberts mixed up.

  • Comment 113, posted at 15.07.14 09:36:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 103) : Keep in mind that Lambie had the benefit of playing 15 and then 12 for the Sharks before moving to 10. But I come to the same conclusion as you do, Swiel should be given opportunities at 15 first. I think a CC side featuring Fred at 10 and Swiel at 15 wouldn’t be half bad.

  • Comment 114, posted at 15.07.14 09:39:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 114) : Frans Steyn must stay at 10 for the rest of the Super season,plenty of time to experiment in the Currie cup.
    Now it’s knock out rugby and we need our strongest team and at the moment and for the better part of the season the Sharks have been at their strongest with Frans at 10.

  • Comment 115, posted at 15.07.14 09:48:33 by The hound Reply

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  • I could refrain from calling the award of the dubious try incompetent. But the decision to award a YC to Alberts deserves no other moniker.

  • Comment 116, posted at 15.07.14 09:57:03 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 111) : it was a friendly. He didn’t have a contract with us at that stage, but was offered one soon afterwards.

  • Comment 117, posted at 15.07.14 09:58:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 116) : Alberts was clearly antagonising that poor rugby ball.

  • Comment 118, posted at 15.07.14 10:20:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 104) : Bissie played both u20 and Vodacom Cup rugby for Free State before joining us in 2004.

  • Comment 119, posted at 15.07.14 10:31:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • How about Albert’s audacious little chip over the Stormers back line?

  • Comment 120, posted at 15.07.14 10:34:53 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 120) : A further example of his cynical attitude towards that innocent rugby ball.

  • Comment 121, posted at 15.07.14 10:53:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : Ok, dont the academy punt him as one of theirs. Jeepers has he been around for 10 years already.

  • Comment 122, posted at 15.07.14 11:03:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 99) : Good comment,but what is that something cause take Kockett ,in my view pure master class at the Sharks,total discard disaster at Lions,moves to France and becomes a rugby superstar with a million Euro buy out clause,what is it?

  • Comment 123, posted at 15.07.14 11:44:53 by benji Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : It’s a while back, but if I remember correctly, Jean Deysel was on loan to the valke when he signed for the sharks?

  • Comment 124, posted at 15.07.14 11:45:06 by Greg Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 123) : Wont help as soon as he is here he will be made a little nothing again. For his own good he should stay where he is.

  • Comment 125, posted at 15.07.14 11:48:19 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 122) : Robs is correct,Bismarks was from the Free States

  • Comment 126, posted at 15.07.14 11:49:37 by benji Reply

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  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbie_du_Plessis

    Wonder if he is as good as his Brothers

  • Comment 127, posted at 15.07.14 12:27:49 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 127) : I’m afraid he’s just not quite in the same class.

    Apparently a lovely oke, though.

  • Comment 128, posted at 15.07.14 12:54:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 123) :

    Timing, luck, form, coach, team … I suppose a player should consider the decision and all the influencing factors very carefully before taking that step.

    The thing is mostly players who switch unions are just 20′s players, looking to make there break into the big-time and lets face it, who makes good decisions at that age?

    I think the difference in if it works or not, might be up to who the players is, and how well thought out his decision was.

    Too often it seems players leave because of their ego’s and what they feel they are worth or should be worth to a team. Instead of trying to work their way into a team, they take the easy option, and end up not being good enough for their new coaches either.

    I respect Zeilinga’s decision to stay, even knowing there may have been and easy Super Rugby spot at the Cheetahs. I’m betting on a long career for him (maybe not even with the Sharks), but once he’s ready with the right union.

  • Comment 129, posted at 15.07.14 13:10:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 126) : No doubt Rob is right, he is a regular All Things Sharks Encyclopedia.
    My brain on the other hand seems frazzled.

  • Comment 130, posted at 15.07.14 13:37:09 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 128) : darn :D

  • Comment 131, posted at 15.07.14 15:12:04 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 130) : bear in mind Bissie was still under 21 when he came to us.

  • Comment 132, posted at 15.07.14 15:13:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 116) :

    Alberts was YCed in a Test match last year for doing the exact same thing.
    When referees are consistent in their calls, there’s nothing to complain about.

  • Comment 133, posted at 15.07.14 21:20:15 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 133) :
    Lets leave all the many other flaws in this argument for a minute. Are you seriously trying to argue that the same call made twice in a 12 month period equates to consistency? Wow! :shock:

  • Comment 134, posted at 16.07.14 09:46:50 by Big Fish Reply
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