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Du Toit creates front row conundrum


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 23 Jul 2014 at 09:39
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While the rise of Thomas du Toit over the last few weeks has been an absolute godsend for the Sharks given injuries to Beast Mtawarira and (briefly) Dale Chadwick, ensuring that he continues to enjoy opportunities to develop as a senior player might prove a little trickier in the months to come.

Firstly, we have to give huge credit to Jake White for spotting du Toit in the under 19 ranks and realising that he had the make-up for senior rugby despite his young age. ” Sometimes you are lucky enough to catch one of these youngsters whose just have the whole package,” White told us back in February when we asked about the player and it’s a credit to the way he has been managed and groomed by the Sharks that du Toit has made such a seamless transition into one of the toughest asks in world rugby – starting as a prop in the premier provincial tournament on offer.

White will now have to decide whether to start fit-again Dale Chadwick ahead of the youngster for this week’s semi-final. While du Toit has come through every challenge thus far with flying colours, you feel that the coach would be remiss to not at least give strong consideration to starting his most experienced man in the position. There’s little doubt, though, that Thomas du Toit is quite probably the long-term future solution to a rather tricky problem at loose head for the Sharks – and that he and Chadwick will together cover the position more than adequately even after Beast’s inevitable departure, whenever it comes.

With the upcoming Currie Cup campaign, though, somewhat bafflingly unlikely to make use of the 23-man squad system it’s going to be interesting to see what the Sharks do with du Toit, especially given that Matt Stevens arrived in Durban this week. With Lourens Adriaanse pretty much guaranteed a start at 3 and Stevens the most likely utility bench prop (given that in a 22-man squad your number 17 has to cover both sides) it looks like the coaches will have a tricky juggling act to perform between Chadwick and du Toit.

While on the one hand it would seem a real shame to not let du Toit push on from here and make a claim for a Bok place during the Currie Cup season, there’s a part of me that looks at the current under 19 and under 21 ranks and can’t help thinking just how much of an asset the 130kg “Tom Bom” would be at that level.



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  • For me it is simply “do not fix if it ain’t broke” Yes I know Dale has had some bad luck and I know it is also his chance that he has waited for, but one mans misfortune is another mans gain.

    The Sharks front has not shown this kind of domination? And of course this is not to say they will dominate the Saders like that, but I can tell you they sure as hell gelling into a unit of note.

    Their confidence is so high it is scary. for me it is simple, KEEP THEM TOGETHER,

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.07.14 10:04:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 1) : I totally agree, Du Toit has earned his place, no need for him to be moved out for someone who does not keep their socks up :D

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.07.14 10:07:15 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • A tough one indeed Rob, and I would also lean towards keeping momentum for Saturday by giving du Toit a start with the comfort of having Dale on the bench if anything goes awry.

    For CC, it will be interesting seeing how the coaches jugle the front row with Springboks away and Matt Stevens coming into the fray. I think player interest should be the priority here and if is better for du toit to do his bit at age group level first, providing him with the necessary time, then its good to know that we have enough other options to allow him to do this, for the long term benefit of the Sharks.

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.07.14 10:10:37 by stevovo Reply

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  • @stevovo (Comment 3) : I think for the CC we def have to use rotation system like last year so that our fringe players get opportunity to also play.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.07.14 10:13:43 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Tom is amazing I agree. However, I’d love for him to grow even more at the age groups, so that when beast eventually plies his trade overseas or retires, this boytjie can slot in with the greatest of ease, and with quite a number of years left in him. We have seen the heap of injuries players who’s been exposed to the big league tooo soon goes through. I think Jake should think long term and not just for now. Patience could prove to be more beneficial for both Thomas and the sharks

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.07.14 10:37:08 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • Tough one this. With rugby being a contact sport and injuries inevitable i dont think players should be put in a certain box and left there. So whilst he has been good I would possibly start Chadwick this week. The only reason not to is that should the game still be tight at the end, would bringing on a youngster be beneficial or a huge gamble. As for CC…let the kid gain massive confidence and experience in the age group sides. Having had a taste of the senior stuff will keep him motivated and like i said…injuries are inevitable!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.07.14 10:41:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 5) : I agree. He is 19 – still has many years ahead of him.

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.07.14 10:42:06 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Flip that guy has been impressive,work in the loose not bad either.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.07.14 10:47:31 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : So you would not have played Frans Steyn in the 2007 WC Final because he was only 20 and still had allot of years ahead of him?
    When someone is good enough they should play regardless of age.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.07.14 10:52:39 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 8) : that, to me, is actually more impressive than his scrummaging.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.07.14 10:52:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 9) : Remember Frans only got in through an injury though just like Du Toit. So he has been given his chance now in this comp. But come CC other guys are back and fit so pecking order restored.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.07.14 10:54:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 9) : Frans is not a prop.

    Thomas has done well so far – however his competition to date – Pat Cilliers and Chris King – are hardly world beating tightheads. This week will be his true test against probably Franks.

    I would rather have this guy have an extended career than it being prematurely ended by some injury. He still has plenty to learn about all the front row shenanigans.

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.07.14 11:05:00 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : I disagree, you should ALWAYS play your best player, stough peking order!

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.07.14 11:05:29 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Don’t over-play young tight 5 players. Look at Kitshoff, Etzebeth and PSDT in recent times.

    Rotate Thomas and Chadwick out the squad during the CC – Stevens should always be in the squad.

    If memory serves, Thomas has some very good speed of the mark for such a big guy. Keen to see him in space.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.07.14 11:06:57 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Rotation for CC. Dale can play 2 weeks, Thomas 1 week, Dale 2 weeks, Thomas 1 week. That way Dale gets a rest and Thomas gets exposure to senior rugby with enough time (2 weeks) to recover sufficiently.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.07.14 11:07:40 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) : I agree 100%!
    2 weeks off should allow him to recuperate and prevent him from breaking down!

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.07.14 11:08:42 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) : @ChrisS (Comment 15) : Completely agree with you two.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.07.14 11:09:53 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) : The great socks up or socks down debate probably features in everyone’s top three of most memorable arguments on Sharksworld :D

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.07.14 11:11:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) : Super young talent. Please let us be sensible and not break the young man. Frik Kirsten case in point, had the same profile and now he can never play again. Contractually tie him up forever, pay him well and do not overplay him. He has a great future at the Sharks and for SA.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.07.14 11:21:46 by Observer Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 18) : Hehe, I had to add some wood on the fire :D

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.07.14 11:24:18 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Guys it is not as simple as clicking your fingers.

    Lets look firstly at the coaches problem, every week you make changes the team suffers for it.

    We sit here thinking it makes no difference but it does, I wonder if JW lets say for example changes this week the LH prop and it causes bad disruption, maybe even a reason we lose? how many would not be sitting in here calling for his head?

    I am not for one minute saying play a player into the ground but there are many things to take into account.

    If you ask any player he will tell you he wants to play,
    If you lose your place it is not always easy to get it back
    when a unit gels why on earth disrupt that?

    So many things could go right or wrong for a player, For me all young Tom has on his mind is playing, his confidence is soaring.

    I agree come CC time rotate, but I also know a coach’s head is always on the block, most supporters will crucify JW without a 2nd thought if things go wrong, why should he risk all the time??

    JW took those risks against the Cheetahs, can we all remember the result of that?

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.07.14 11:25:16 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @<a @SheldonK (Comment 11) : @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : I agree, but I still recon he would be better on the day that Chad would be. We need our best players on the field Saturday, and that means Du Toit needs to play.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.07.14 11:27:09 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 21) : I totally agree with you.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.07.14 11:28:30 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I wanted to add that we must never forget that now days plays at a young age leave our shores when they feel they are not getting fair treatment etc, it is not about players in the twilight of their careers that leave for a last pay day

    Times have changed.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.07.14 11:30:17 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 24) : You are sir, talking some sense today :D haha

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.07.14 11:31:40 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 25) : :twisted: I try hahahaha :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.07.14 11:33:19 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • This week is taking way too long to pass….roll on Saturday!

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.07.14 11:40:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • A few points:
    1) Thomas has been super impressive!
    2) “Playing guys into the ground” happens over the course of a whole season (it is my biggest criticism of JW this year!), not in 3 knockout games. At this stage of the season you have to play your best team. I really think that that means Thomas has to play.
    3) If it is tight in the last 20 minutes I’d feel better having the experienced man on with fresh legs then…ergo, Dale on the bench.
    4) No one has commented on this: What the heck is SARU thinking by not having a 23-man match day squad during the Currie Cup?! What possible sensible reason could there be for that decision?!?!

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.07.14 11:41:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 18) : congrats dude!

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.07.14 11:57:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • I agree with the pastor, play tom and bring chad on in the last 20. For curry cup, play tom at age group and make sure his ready for next year’s super rugby. A prop and a FH are not the same and can’t be classified as such. Playing a youngster at the back makes huge sense (goose. Excluded), playing a youngster in the tight five (especially when you require them to carry the same work load as the seniors) is a recipe for long term (and a life time of) injuries, PSDT, Etsebeth, frik Kirsten and that rooi kop down at the cape are examples there of.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.07.14 12:27:56 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 30) : who backs up chad and mike?

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.07.14 12:37:41 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 30) : What makes you think it will make someone better for Super Rugby to pay age group CC?

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.07.14 12:39:05 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Thanks Rob! Just doing my part in ensuring Sharks supporter numbers don’t dwindle.

    On a more serious note, it’s been an awesome two days. Feeling very blessed right now.

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.07.14 13:13:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I can’t begin to imagine why the average to solid Chadwick would ever be considered ahead of the bright prospect that is du Toit.

    Its just a pity Jake has not done the same with Esterhuizen at centre as he has done with du Toit at prop

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.07.14 13:32:02 by Saffex Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 33) : That sounds suspiciously as if congratulations are in order from my side too!! All the best and God bless…

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.07.14 13:48:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 35) : Thank you Pastor. Much appreciated!

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.07.14 14:17:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • As I said earlier, our young players leaving our shores at a rate of knots, here is another example when a young player feels he sees no future where he is.

    Cape Town – Glasgow Warriors have secured the services of Cheetahs prop Rossouw de Klerk, the Scottish side announced via their official website on Wednesday.

    The move is subject to a visa and medical but De Klerk has signed a provisional two-year deal and will link-up with his new side by the end of the month.

    The 24-year-old tighthead began his senior career in Pretoria, making his debut for the Blue Bulls in 2009. He went on to make 41 appearances for them, 14 of which were in Super Rugby.

    In 2013 De Klerk joined the Cheetahs and has made 14 appearances in the Vodacom Cup and Currie Cup and has played seven times in Super Rugby this season.

    De Klerk will join fellow South African Josh Strauss at the Warriors.

    They are coached by former Scotland flyhalf Gregor Townsend.

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.07.14 15:02:52 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 37) :

    And your solution to the problem is??

    If you select the young player over the incumbent, the latter will be the one leaving. Then next year there will be another ambitious and promising youngster to select over this year’s crop and you’ll always be playing with future instead of current stars.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.07.14 15:52:59 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 37) : he’s leaving because he’s too kak to get picked anywhere decent.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.07.14 15:56:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 38) : we’ve got to get the natural order back.

    Any guy who throws his toys and leaves because at 21 he’s not getting picked ahead of a Bok incumbent really shouldn’t be playing this game.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.07.14 16:07:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • “What the heck is SARU thinking”..probably how to bend the rules so that the Indonesian franchise can have a squad of 46 on match day.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.07.14 16:07:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • Os du Randt first played for the Boks aged22 won his first World Cup at 23 and his second aged 35 ,12 years later.
    Which kinda makes a special case for props you can never be too young or too old .
    Thomas is good enough to play for the Boks right now and he is more than good enough to play for the Sharks.Would hate to see him on the bench for Matt Stevens,much prefer to see Stevens on the bench for him.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.07.14 16:19:09 by The hound Reply

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  • I am not saying Thomas should not be rotated come CC but I am definitely saying Thomas should start this weekend and if all goes well then he should start the final.

    In the CC why should Thomas revert back to age group? Just like Lambie this kid is a super star and deserves to play CC.

    Stevens can be back up as player coach of props

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.07.14 16:32:48 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • The good thing about this is probably that JW agrees and will start with Thomas. I have a feeling Mr Franks knows not what awaits him,

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.07.14 16:36:24 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • Our CC LH’s should be Chadwick and Thomas with Stevens and Adriaanse at TH

    Beast and Jannie play Boks

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.07.14 16:39:18 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : let’s not get too carried away… Tommy took some strain from Pat Cilliers at first.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.07.14 17:38:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • Thomas has not given any reason not to be selected for the next match. He has more than lived up to the expectations, but I am not yet ready to tout him for Bok honors based on a couple of SR matches. Yes Dale is unlucky, but he has proved his worth as a superb SR late game replacement, and is available earlier if Thomas were to struggle. It is also a matter of combinations. For some reason and I don’t know why, but the Thomas/Bissie/Jannie front row combination is superb in the scrums. Adriaanse and Dale have also provided a formidable combination later in the game. I just feel we have to stay with this combination for the ‘saders. It is a nice debate to have though. As for Thomas, if he continues like he has, there certainly seems to be little doubt about his Bok future.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.07.14 17:49:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • And let’s also not forget that prior to this season, very few had many nice words for Dale’s ability. In addition, this year he has been superb as a replacement, but has not had the opportunity to prove himself as a starter. Thomas has proved himself over the two matches, so now why would we think that Dale is the more “stable” option as a starter? :?:

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.07.14 17:52:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Even though I think Thomas must be managed carefully due to his age, for continuity sake and form he should start this week.

    He has been a revelation, but he is going to have a tougher assignment this week, as he will be facing the All Black tight head plus a much stronger scrum overall.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.07.14 18:08:20 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • I would start du Toit.

    1. du Toit
    2. du Plessis
    3. du Plessis
    4. Oosthuizen
    5. Lewies
    6. Coetzee
    7. Alberts
    8. Kankowski
    9. Reinach
    10. Lambie
    11. Mvovo
    12. Steyn
    13. Jordaan
    14. Pietersen
    15. Marais

    16. Cooper
    17. Chadwick
    18. Adriaanse
    19. Deysel
    20. Mtembu
    21. McLeod
    22. Sithole
    23. Chavanga

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.07.14 18:13:43 by David12246 Reply

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  • I also noted the Sharks employed a tactic in the defensive scrums I have not seen them do much in the past. If you watch the defensive scrums we dominated (like Bissie’s try), the ball remains in the tunnel for an inordinate time. The Sharks scrum is providing enough pressure that the opposition hooker can not get his foot up to hook the ball. The Sharks wait, and as soon as he lifted his foot to try to hook the ball they then provided the additional drive which literally knocked the opposition front row onto their backs. Timing was perfect with each of those scrums, it was beautiful to watch.

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.07.14 18:17:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 50) : the right 23 players, but I would start McLeod, Reinach to bench, Marais to bench, Mvovo at 15, JPP at 11 and Sithole at 14. Both JPP and Sithole can cover the centers in the event of an injury and Marais and Chavanga cover the back three very nicely. Personally, since Marais seemed to exhibit a disturbing lack of BMT in the last match, I would actually have Odwa on the bench in his stead.

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.07.14 18:21:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I don’t think anyone is stating that Thomas shouldn’t start for the next 2 SR matches.

    The debate is over rotation in the CC. It’s one thing to take some serious impact over a few games. A whole season is an altogether different issue. Particularly for a teenaged front ranker.

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.07.14 19:12:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 53) : I hate to seem argumentative BF but from the article:

    White will now have to decide whether to start fit-again Dale Chadwick ahead of the youngster for this week’s semi-final. While du Toit has come through every challenge thus far with flying colours, you feel that the coach would be remiss to not at least give strong consideration to starting his most experienced man in the position.

    and from a post above:

    Tough one this. With rugby being a contact sport and injuries inevitable i dont think players should be put in a certain box and left there. So whilst he has been good I would possibly start Chadwick this week.

    So it certainly seems that there are some that are indeed debating whether Thomas should start the next two matches in SR.

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.07.14 19:50:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) :
    I don’t think that argumentative at all. Fair comment in fact.

    To be fair to Robby though, I think that the article does focus on the CC with its 22 man squad system.

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.07.14 22:23:02 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) : it certainly seems that way and if referring to the CC,its 2014,the CC is not such a serious and heavy competition,its a breeding ground for upcoming youngsters,so let them play

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.07.14 23:37:32 by benji Reply

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  • Really silly if there is no 23 man squads in the Currie cup. Can’t see any reason for not using it.

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.07.14 23:41:37 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 55) : Here’s my take….no offence intended Rob……he started out with the intent of writing the article about the next two matches but it evolved into a discussion of the CC. ;-) :mrgreen: :twisted:

    In all honesty though I do still think the debate about the next two matches is very relevant. The moment our replacement props demolished the ‘landers as efficiently as our starting props, I began to debate that very topic internally.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.07.14 23:42:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I noticed some changes in technique while scrumming as a unit in the ‘landers match, which appeared very effective. Have the Sharks someone new involved in the forwards coaching structure?

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.07.14 23:45:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 59) : yes they seemed to have plan at scrum time and it worked very well going to be interesting to see how it works against the Saders.

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.07.14 23:49:06 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 59) : watch highlights on SS1 hell that scrum worked marvellously! !!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.07.14 23:50:40 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 60) : take a look at comment 51, and see if you can find a replay of the match and watch Bissie’s try. It is really clear and obvious. In that case both the prop and the hooker went after the ball at the same time and with two less legs driving on the ‘lander’s side, our scrum just demolished them.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.07.14 23:52:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 62) : yes spot on!!!! Each time the opposition hooker tried to strike the ball they got nailed. Excellent scruming tactics and timing from the Sharks. Another thing I picked up was that Marcell and Deysel see.ed to run into gaps between two opposition players and not just straight into the players. A good example of that was when Deysel knocked on whilst going to score.

  • Comment 63, posted at 24.07.14 00:03:00 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 63) : From an old front rower’s perspective, the scrums were an absolutely beautiful thing to watch. Whilst defense is critical especially in the knockout rounds, that does not mean you can’t vary your running lines, that was nice to see as well.

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.07.14 00:16:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 63) : It kind of reminds me of a match I played in…many many moons ago…in very wet conditions and very poor footing. During the coach’s last talk to us just he told us that in these conditions it was really important to continually switch our running angles, and get the opposition playing defense while shifting, which in the poor conditions was very difficult. It worked really well, which just made me wonder why we didn’t do that in every match, surely it is always better to have the defense shifting while trying to make the tackle. It certainly takes away the big hit which should help cut down injury. It is hard to really nail a player running into a gap vs head on.

  • Comment 65, posted at 24.07.14 00:23:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 64) : ja boet same here played 1, 2 & 3 so I get goose bumps just thinking of that scruming!!!!

  • Comment 66, posted at 24.07.14 00:23:37 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 66) : I have to admit going back to that point in the replay to watch those scrums over and over again. According to the statistics provided early in the match, the ‘lander’s scrum was much heavier than ours, including the front row. Shows technique combined with strength will trump weight any day.

  • Comment 67, posted at 24.07.14 00:28:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 66) : That’s it, you’re a front rower…no wonder you get so cross sometimes. ;-) :razz: :grin:

  • Comment 68, posted at 24.07.14 00:30:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) : DB, I am debating it personally. If I were the coach, I’d at least be thinking about starting Dale

  • Comment 69, posted at 24.07.14 02:07:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : I agree, just one thought Rob, is Dale really the more tested option to start? He has proved himself a superb replacement, but surely Thomas has more experience now as a starter in SR? I know the reason for it is purely circumstantial and unlucky for Dale. It certainly deserves debate, and to be honest, it is really great for Sharks and Sharks rugby to be having this debate.

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.07.14 02:14:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Things have changed with a 23 man gameday squad. Adriaanse made the Bok squad without having started a single SR match. He was afforded enough game time to prove his worth, as has Dale. It would not surprise me now to see specialist replacement props who may be bench props for their franchise and the Boks. Having two replacement props and the ability to have one return in the event the replacement is injured has changed selection strategies.

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.07.14 02:21:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : To employ this effectively Im sure some very fine coordinating is needed, especially on the initial push. Who would be the person responsible for this and how would the message be given through – this is after all split second timing with everyone working together in a very small window period.

  • Comment 72, posted at 24.07.14 08:43:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 67) : Letgo and I were discussing this the other day. I went back and got those stats from game day but cant find them now. I do remember that our scrum was 30kg heavier than theirs but our front row was lighter as were our tight five. That means that our 2 flanks and eight man make up the difference and had an extra 30kg on their opponents, so on average the loosies would be 11/12kgs per man heavier than their opponents. Them are big numbers.

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.07.14 08:48:36 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • C’mon Team Announcement!!!!

    The anticipation is killing me.

  • Comment 74, posted at 24.07.14 09:10:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 74) : Just for you…

    Crusaders XV:

    1. Wyatt Crockett
    2. Corey Flynn
    3. Owen Franks
    4. Dominic Bird
    5. Samuel Whitelock
    6. Richie McCaw
    7. Matt Todd
    8. Kieran Read (C)
    9. Andy Ellis
    10. Colin Slade
    11. Nemani Nadolo
    12. Dan Carter
    13. Ryan Crotty (VC)
    14. Kieron Fonotia
    15. Israel Dagg

    Reserves:

    16. Ben Funnell
    17. Joe Moody
    18. Nepo Laulala
    19. Jimmy Tupou
    20. Jordan Taufua
    21. Willi Heinz
    22. Tom Taylor
    23. Johnny McNicholl

  • Comment 75, posted at 24.07.14 09:13:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 74) : Not that it matters….Saders have already announced their team, and judging by the general response, that team sheet has already beaten the Sharks. :twisted:

    Sharks might as well climb on the next flight home, and save themselves the embarrassment of facing the Saders. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 76, posted at 24.07.14 09:15:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • We might need Albert’s on no8 to stop Read

  • Comment 77, posted at 24.07.14 09:17:43 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I see the team sheet like this.
    Thomas du Toit,
    Bismarck du Plessis
    Jannie du Plesis
    Etienne Oosthuizen
    Stephan Lewies
    Marcell Coetzee
    Jean Deysel
    Willem Alberts
    Cobus Reinach
    Pat Lambie
    Frans Steyn
    Paul Jordaan
    JP Pietersen
    S’bura Sithole
    Lwazi Mvovo

  • Comment 78, posted at 24.07.14 09:20:53 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 78) : I assume this is not your own choice? :lol:

    You have one extra back BTW

  • Comment 79, posted at 24.07.14 09:22:37 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 79) : Like I say I expect our team to look this way :D
    thanx rectified it.

  • Comment 80, posted at 24.07.14 09:24:53 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Crusaders team has been announced:

    Crusaders: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Kieron Fonotia, 13 Ryan Crotty, 12 Dan Carter, 11 Nemani Nadolo, 10 Colin Slade, 9 Andy Ellis, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Matt Todd, 6 Richie McCaw, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Dominic Bird, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Corey Flynn , 1 Wyatt Crockett.
    Replacements: 16 Ben Funnell, 17 Joe Moody, 18 Nepo Laulala, 19 Jimmy Tupou, 20 Jordan Taufua, 21 Willi Heinz, 22 Tom Taylor, 23 Johnny McNicholl.

  • Comment 81, posted at 24.07.14 09:25:41 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 78) : Nope boet, no way in hell JW will drop Kanko and JpP

    Specially Kanko and the lineouts

  • Comment 82, posted at 24.07.14 09:26:43 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 82) : I just don’t see how Kanko can stop Read, other than this I would have picked him.

    Btw JpP on the wing

  • Comment 83, posted at 24.07.14 09:28:16 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 83) : That Saders pack has a number of good lineout jumpers. We will need Kanko in the lineouts.

    All the loose forwards need to stop Read

  • Comment 84, posted at 24.07.14 09:31:18 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 83) : Kanko will stop him boet, I have a feeling the Sharks would have worked on defense big time this week

  • Comment 85, posted at 24.07.14 09:40:30 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 68) : ag shit now the secret is out…… ;-)

  • Comment 86, posted at 24.07.14 18:35:09 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 70) : nothing against Big Tom but I would have started with Dale. It’s going to be a very tough match and I think Dale is just more mature.

  • Comment 87, posted at 24.07.14 18:41:40 by JD Reply
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