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Lady Luck favours sloppy Sharks


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 25 Aug 2014 at 10:33
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The Cell C Sharks recorded a rather fortuitous 19-16 win over the Toyota Free State Cheetahs at Kings Park on Saturday night after a poor performance in which they struggled to find any sort of rhythm on attack. A late penalty from Fred Zeilinga finally put the side ahead mere minutes from the final whistle.

The match stated of well enough for the hosts, with a sustained period of pressure in the opposition 22 in the opening minutes boding well. A lack of accuracy in execution, though, perhaps due to impatience, saw every scoring opportunity wasted and the Cheetahs clearly took huge confidence from each failure. Despite being overwhelmed in the scrums, they used the lineout drive to good effect, with referee Rasta Rashivenga’s complete lack of knowledge of the truck and trailer law working strongly to their advantage, and worked their way back into better field position as the half progressed.

Willie du Plessis, who had a forgettable game otherwise, succeeded with two penalties to give his side a 6-0 cushion before a Sarel Pretorius dummy caught Francois Kleinhans in the Cheetahs 22 and allowed the scrum half to break strongly. Fullback Clayton Blommetjies did the rest, bamboozling the already-confused SP Marais with a chip on the way to scoring a cracking try.

At 0-13 down the Sharks were floundering although Zeilinga pulled back a penalty to see them trail by just 10 at the break.

While the first half at least threatened to deliver some running rugby, the second had no such pretensions, with fans treated to minute after endless minute of Zeilinga, Marais, du Plessis and Blommetjies punting the ball back and forth to no obvious purpose. With replacement prop Thomas du Toit at his destructive best in the scrums, Zeilinga took advantage twice more to bring the Sharks within 7, his two penalties against one more from du Plessis the only taking points in a dire half hour of play.

The Sharks finally made a breakthrough a scant ten minutes from time, showing in the process just how good they could and should have been in this game had they just been able to find some accuracy. Another strong scrum saw replacement halfback Conrad Hoffmann, with oodles of time and space, execute a neat loop around move with Zeilinga. Taking the ball back from his flyhalf, Hoffmann threaded the flying Tonderai Chavhanga through the eye of the proverbial needle with a pinpoint pass; the winger, who had been threatening all evening, needed no further invitation to the tryline party and ran in under the posts. Zeilinga’s conversion levelled the scores, before he converted a cracker of a penalty minutes later to finally edge his side ahead 19-16.

Not that this dramatic episode of ‘Prison Break’ was yet done… The visitors themselves came within a whisker of scoring at the death, as TMO Jason Jaftha ruled Cheetah prop Kevin Stevens had lost possession on the line. The big prop, though, had a man free outside him when he opted to rather barrel towards the line himself; clearly ineptitude on attack was not the sole preserve of the hosts on a poor evening for rugby on the whole.

Scores:
Sharks (19): Try Tonderai Chavhanga. Conversion Fred Zeilinga. Penalties Zeilinga 4
Cheetahs (16): Try Clayton Blommetjies. Conversion Willie du Plessis. Penalties du Plessis 3



90 Comments

  • I hope we have not used up all our luck for the season

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.08.14 10:42:43 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Zeilinga and SP were terrible in my opinion

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.08.14 10:56:38 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply

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  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 2) : I thought Fred did some good things – defence and goal kicking much improved, but execution of kicks less so. SP was kak throughout.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.08.14 10:59:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • I like Big Fish’s idea of putting Jordaan at fullback…could be a master stroke.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.08.14 11:02:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Time to give another a chance at fullback.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.08.14 11:36:25 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I wonder if some of the Bok players who still need some game time will be released for CC for this weekend. I’m think Etzebeth and Lambie particularly.

    Then Whiteley should probably also be released, as Willem should be back for the Australasian tour.

    Also thinking that Heyneke should maybe give his tackle bag boys and bench boys a weekend of rugby, especially those that haven’t gotten on the field for the Argie games.

    I’m thinking:

    Lambie, Whiteley, Mohoje, Mvovo, Nyakane, Reinach, Serfontein (the guys that won’t see much game time during RC).

    Etzebeth and F Hougaard also seems in need of some CC game time.

    This, purely for Bok reasons, not to strengthen CC teams.

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.08.14 11:39:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 5) :

    Jaco van Tonder … I really like his temperament and time on the ball. He takes good options quickly and executes them calmly and accurately.

    I mean, this is just from the handful of games I’ve seen of him, but I seriously feel like he is due a proper shot at that fullback spot.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.08.14 11:42:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 4) :
    Trust me. He is a finisher, not a playmaker. He will be deadly with a bit of space to run into.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.08.14 11:48:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 6) : All the common sense in the world will tell everyone you are spot on with your synopsis of the situation. But this is bok management we are talking about here and to be frank bok management and common sense are not easily mixed together in the same sentence.

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.08.14 11:49:14 by markp Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 7) : What I have been saying all along.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.08.14 11:50:36 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Freddie’s kicking reminded me of McLeod’s last moments in a Sharks jersey.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.08.14 11:51:42 by markp Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 8) :
    The only issue is that Wright either cant clear well or is being protected from that added pressure for now – so we need a kicking option at 15 to act as an alternative to Zeilinga under pressure.

    In that case, it might mean that either (or both) Hoffmann or Cronje should start (the latter at 15). To be fair to young Wright, maybe Cronje should start, although I personally would love to see Jordaan at 15.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.08.14 11:52:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 2) : I think ‘terrible’ is putting it nicely. SP was shockingly bad- there is no way i would start him again. Zeilinga just kept kicking aimlessly and his passes were so wayward. Id def like to see Cronje given more game time eventhough he looks like he has picked up some weight. Williams also made a good impact.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.08.14 11:53:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :
    Zeilinga had a ‘mare. Jordaan wasnt far behind, but SP continued to set the benchmark.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.08.14 11:53:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @markp (Comment 9) :

    I feel the guys that is not used for at least 30 min every game, should be released to the CC whenever possible (including semi’s and finals), as they will again be taken on the end of year tour, where they will usually be asked to play a bigger role and will be better prepared to do so with some CC game time under the belt.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.08.14 11:59:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • I’m sure Zeilinga will bounce back from that performance, we all know the kid is class, but SP is just utter shite. He has been for the whole year know. They can’t keep justifying his inclusion anymore. Only reason our scrums looked wobbly in the first half, was because of Dale’s lack of playing time, as well as the lack of being in a front row with Cooper and Steven much. Thomas just showed again what potential he has, most definitely Beast’s successor at both the Sharks and Boks. What is the chances of Adriaanse getting a Bok call up, or do you guys think Coenie-p&*s klap-Oosthuizen is going to be called up?

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.08.14 12:05:45 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : I like the look of fred with ball in hand as he seems to put others in space ala cruden but those aimless kicks especially the one off the side of the left boot I think were totally unnecessary

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.08.14 12:08:53 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : who would replace sp? Van tonder or swiel who played fullback for the u21s last week?or maybe odwa at 15 who is always a safe option

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.08.14 12:11:22 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply

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  • Anyone know how the juniors did?

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.08.14 12:15:16 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 8) :
    Paul Jordaan could be a Jason Robinson at 15.

    Jaco van Tonder seems slow to me.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.08.14 12:29:01 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 19) : they both had byes, so at least they didn’t lose

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.08.14 12:30:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 18) : Its hard to say tbh. The coaching staff have seemed to favour Cronje as the fb replacement so probably him. Altho i do think Van Tonder would be a better bet with Cronje playing 10. Swiel has been pretty average for the u21s so he deosnt deserve a call up. Odwa at 15 has been good in the past and would open space for another speedy wing

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.08.14 12:32:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 6) : the Boks are leaving immediately for Perth, so there’s no chance of anyone being released.

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.08.14 12:33:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Pity no 4points for a bye…haha

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.08.14 12:34:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I would have a very different backline

    15 Odwa
    14 Sithole
    13 Jordaan
    12 Esterhuizen
    11 Shavangha
    10 Fred
    09 Hoffman

    reserve backs: Wright, Cronje, Heimer

    1)Fisher can also get a look in at 15
    2)Not sure how long Ungerer will be out, he would be my 1st option to start at 9.
    3)Van Tonder should also come into reckoning.
    4)I have always been a Zeilinga fan but anyone thinking like I have read in here they he could or should actually replace Lambie? GET HELP FOR THAT CONDITION YOU HAVE ;-)
    5)We need to find a better option at 7, the fools that let Deysel go also suffer from that “condition”
    6)Locks need to start doing their jobs, Lewies I think will start this weekend and rightly should.
    7)Maybe the 7 flank should be one of the DuPreez twins as they both big fast and skilful

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.08.14 12:34:27 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 8) : The only problem I can see with such a move is that Jordaan doesn’t kick well. He’ll have to show the same dedication as Mvovo in working on his kicking and catching.

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.08.14 12:34:28 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • I would not mind seeing Cronje start at 10 though.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.08.14 12:36:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Actually I am not sure which of the twins normally plays flank, I think it is Jean-Luc

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.08.14 12:37:11 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • You put a Sharks or Bok team with their current gameplan against an aggressive defence like that of the Cheetahs and Argentinians, where the defence is far quicker to the breakdown than we are and we just edge it because of our benches (if we’re lucky). What you need in these situations is a decision maker with a level head on his shoulders to read the game and adapt accordingly.

    Anyone remember what the Sharks did in last year’s CC final against an aggressive WP defence? Anyone remember who the chief decision maker was in that game? Composure and adaptability is needed.

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.08.14 12:38:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • As for Jordaan, I think he needs to develop a proper offload when taking contact.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.08.14 12:45:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 12) : When you mentioned Jordaan at 15, I got seriously excited…he’d have the running ability of Christian Cullen….might have some initial positional issues, but Jordaan attacking from behind would be a thing of beauty.

    He played 10 at age group and school (I think at school), so he should at least be able to kick an up-and-under. ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.08.14 12:46:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 25) : Now why would you waste a good 7 flank at inside center :twisted:

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.08.14 12:49:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : Question si though…do the Sharks and Boks have the ability to play a ball in hand approach game? I dont think either sides does as our breakdown work and carries into the tackle are so poor that we get dominated and turn over the ball. So guys are scared to keep the ball in hand

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.08.14 12:52:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : And that’s why I think we need a similar approach to last year’s CC final. Put in accurate chip kicks behind first line of defence. Chase hard. Lambie timed those brilliantly.

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.08.14 12:58:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • With players we have this is the team I would like to see start this weekend, and yes I am going to take a risk on Cronje and Hoffman as a combo.

    15 Odwa
    14 Sithole
    13 Jordaan
    12 Esterhuizen
    11 Chavangha
    10 Cronje
    09 Hoffman
    08 Tera
    07 Du Preez
    06 Botes
    05 Lewies
    04 Oosthuizen
    03 Adriaanse
    02 Cooper
    01 Du Toit

    16 Franco Marais
    17 Stevens ( covers both sides of the scrum )
    18 Wentzel
    19 Kleinhans
    20 Wright
    21 Zeilinga
    22 Heimer

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.08.14 12:58:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 32) : :mrgreen: Yeah it makes me mad when we stuff players up like this.

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.08.14 13:01:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) :
    Yup, he played 10 and also kicked at poles of I recall correctly.

    Of course the kicking, positional play and fielding will be a learning curve, but he’s still young and versatility will only improve his game, irrespective of where he eventually settles.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.08.14 13:24:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : ja 100% with you on that.

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.08.14 13:28:49 by JD Reply
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  • I would be tempted to look at Esterhuizen and buy dam Jessie Kriel back!!!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.08.14 13:44:29 by Talent Reply
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  • get over Esterhuizen. The boy is not going to make it as a centre and has a shit attitude. Those of you proclaiming him as the saviour of anything are frankly deluded.

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.08.14 14:14:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Biiiit harsh!

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.08.14 14:26:11 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 39) : Jessie Kriel was impressive in the Bulls game. Would like to see more of him though.

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.08.14 14:35:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 41) : somebody needs to put an end to the sentimental bullshit

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.08.14 14:35:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : How come whenever we mess a player around it is because he has a shit attitude? I have chatted with this kid quite a bit and he did not come across that way?

    Just maybe our coaching staff also have bad attidtudes because things sure as hell are not going well at the Sharks and loads of players are leaving.

    Maybe we as supporters prayed to hard for the departure of Plum and co, nothing right now excites when it comes to the Sharks Rob.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.08.14 14:39:16 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : Also Rob if the kid has such a bad attitude why would we want him at 12 or at 7?? surely then be honest with the kid and let him know we do not require his services.

    Let another union sit with his attitude or reap the rewards of his true talents, we obviously do not know how to make use of it.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.08.14 14:42:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : Time will tell whether White is the answer for the Sharks but Plum was given enough opportunities to prove he wasn’t.

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.08.14 14:43:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 46) : Not saying we need Plum back, but we have not progressed since his departure but regressed.

    Look at players leaving and poor style of play from the Sharks.

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.08.14 14:46:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 46) :
    Preach it Bro!

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.08.14 14:51:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : that is the No1 problem not only on this site but also in the Sharks structures,that’s why players who don’t belong continualy get picked ahead of proper options

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.08.14 14:51:56 by benji Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 47) : Understood. Players leaving is part of the territory when it comes to a regime change and it’s important that we keep in mind it was a regime change and not just a coaching change.

    I can’t argue with you on the style of play even though I respect Jake a great deal. I don’t think it plays to the strengths of the kind of players we have. Interested to see if the coaches will come to the same conclusion though. :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.08.14 14:52:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 47) : Inclined to agree, the results column might reflect well on JW, but the Sharks have gone from an attacking and exciting team, to a pretty dour one!

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.08.14 14:53:28 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : I think that is the biggest problem now ,this coaching team are not up to the task

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.08.14 14:56:51 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 52) : Exactly and the players are now being said to have bad attitudes, why now bad attitudes before? same was said about Fisher and many other?

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.08.14 14:58:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 50) : Yes mate leaving is part of the game, but not mass exodus is not ;-)

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.08.14 14:59:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Right now the Sharks look anything but a happy family

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.08.14 15:00:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Anyhow catch up later, work calls :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.08.14 15:01:32 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • It is not the kid with the bad attitude it is the coaching staff that mess him around to play someone 7 that played his career at 12 13 and 15 ?????????

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.08.14 15:10:09 by Sharkie NW Reply

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  • During this traumatic period of dour Sharks and Bok rugby, I’m managing to extract quite a bit of enjoyment from the kiwi local comp (itm cup or something)…and the kiwis international team is doing quite a bit from a rugby enjoyment point of view.

    Even the Ozzie local rugby comp has some excitement, seeing two teams running the ball and passing it around in ultra-wet raining weather…impressive.

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.08.14 15:14:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) :
    Does he have a shit attitude? Interesting.

    Where did you hear that from?

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.08.14 15:25:19 by John Galt Reply

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  • Smit and co desperately want more bums on seats at the Tank.
    Unfortunately the style of play that White has brought in is only resulting in less.
    Seems we can only score from lineout mauls or lucky set piece moves. And of course from turnovers, something I like to call cockroach rugby.

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.08.14 15:30:18 by John Galt Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 55) : exactly in time of change a good coaching set up would stabilise and settle things down,that is not happening,also remember the Great White inherited his assistants who in my view where chosen purely on sentiment

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.08.14 15:46:01 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : @robdylan (Comment 43) : That was not your tone when you announced that he would be tried as a flank. Were you summoned to the headmaster?

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) :

    Makes sense, but maybe only the match 23 should have gone over right away and the other 7 should have been given a chance to play this weekend.

    Just a thought, if those guys are suddenly called upon, they will be rusty – Mvovo hasn’t played since Super Rugby Semi’s, same for Reinach, Nyakane and Mahoje. Two months of no rugby is a lot, to be suddenly asked to play against Australia or New Zeeland.

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.08.14 15:58:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 63) :

    Or, at least, a sort of a “mid week” game, against an Australian provincial team, for the SA A team, should have been organized – Giving players like Lambie, Hougaard … some much needed much time.

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.08.14 16:02:06 by Letgo Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 25) : I would use Heimar at 12, Sithole at 13 and Jodaan on the wing but the rest is close to being the best backline available.

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.08.14 16:47:31 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : sorrry Rob but I must agree with some others on here if he’s got a shit attitude why not let him go to shift him to 7 will surely not change that. If it was said that he did not have the speed or skills ja then a shift to 7 would make sense but a ahit attitude just sounds a bit iffy to me.mI’m not going to speculate over what’s going on but something seems a bit off at the Sharks!!!

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.08.14 17:01:19 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 46) : sorry to say but I don’t think Jake is the answer. The answer left after last years Currie cup.

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.08.14 17:07:04 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 51) : ja it’s sorry to say but the Sharks “stole” a victory on Saturday. Just like the Bokke they did not deserve to win. I really hope this change but it seems as if they can’t find form and they’re making the same mistakes as at the beginning of Super rugby.

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.08.14 17:12:22 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) : let’s just say when stuff happens that I don’t understand, I dig until I get to the bottom of it.

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.08.14 19:13:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • the feeling with Esterhuizen is that he’s not developing as he should at centre. This is after 2 years in the system. His skills aren’t coming along.

    The move to flank is possibly a lifeline for him, but his attitude about the whole thing is apparently not good.

    Also heard talk he suffers from the Groenewald/Swanepoel/Rhodes problem.

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.08.14 19:14:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : ok that makes a whole lot more sense and ja I feel he could be a good 7 if he puts his mind to it. At 7 there’s also a lot less competition ahead of him in the Bok queue. Just one more question what is this Groenewald/Swanepoel/Rhodes problem?

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.08.14 19:51:28 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 71) : like having a dop more than they like being a pro rugby player

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.08.14 19:58:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : ok but I really hope it’s not true as many talented players have never reached their potential because of booze.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : @JD (Comment 73) : Can’t understand why a professional sports person drink/smoke/drug…I mean, you get paid to look after your body, that’s your job.

    If somebody paid me to look after my body, I’d be a fitness fanatic, and the ultimate picture of health. ;-)

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.08.14 21:02:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 74) : problem is the guys are young and all of a sudden they make big bucks, also all the attention and hype around some of the youngsters does not help. Some people can handle it others can’t and go the self destruction route.

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.08.14 23:14:42 by JD Reply
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  • Jordaan seems to possess the worst hands on a centre. He can’t catch a ray of sunshine. He could never slot in as a fullback! Fred is slipping game by game and we need him to turn it around this weekend. SP is way to concerned with TV.
    I felt that Terra and coaching staff should have taken control over the team at stages. Well we won ugly and the Pumas are waiting on us…..come on boys play as a team….

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.08.14 00:49:35 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 68) : JD, I think the Sharks were caught off guard on Saturday. That said I honestly feel that the Sharks had enough experience and continuity in their team to put a very green Cheetahs team to the sword.

    The fact that the Sharks are playing such unimaginative rugby must be a major concern for the Sharks supporters. There are many S15 plyers gone from the Sharks team too, the difference is many of those that played against the Cheetahs have had Super Rugby and CC rugby experience.

    The Cheetahs had so many players fro u/21 and Vodacom cup level in their pack, that they really should have been put away. I am not happy with the Cheetahs style of play either, but Duncan has to start from scratch, and it shows. Plus losing your only recognised lock so early was a blow.

    We had Uys at 196 cm and Venter at 193 cm up against Oosthuisen nd Wentzel and still remained competitive. How is that possible?

    Your backline has so many experienced players, but the skill and vision is lacking.

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.08.14 08:10:51 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 77) : @KILLER SHARK (Comment 76) : that’s my point,is the necessary skill,experience and tactical brains sitting in the coaching box,I don’t think so

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.08.14 09:04:31 by benji Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 77) : The Sharks were most def poo on Saturday, but the Cheetahs also did a lot right. Cheetahs held up very well at scrum time. Lineouts and rucks werent great though. I dont Willie DuPlessis is the answer at 10 im afraid. Clayton Blommetjies is def the answer at 15 though! I cant believe Sarel Pretorius has never had a Bok look in! Benjamin needs to move back to 12 though. and id even try Rhule at 13!

  • Comment 79, posted at 26.08.14 09:30:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 79) : Those are all good ideas. Benji was class at 12 in the Super 15, but with Smit and Daniller gone, and with Hendicks and le Roux with the boks we are seriously thin in wing/fullback resources.

    Venter has done some good things at 13, and a combo of Benji and Venter could be dynamite.

    Blommetjies did provide some x-factor, but should temper his kicking a bit. I understand that its a rebuild phase, but geez its annoying!

    Agree on Willie du Plessis, and with Watts out we are up the creek. And now we are even thinner at lock than we were lol.

    See Danie Mienie has signed with Kwas… haven’t seen much of him lately though?

  • Comment 80, posted at 26.08.14 10:10:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 77) : Unlike a lot of other fans, I don’t necessarily mind unimaginative rugby if the gameplan suits the the players and the execution is close to flawless. That ‘smothering’ approach holds its own charms. Sadly one does get the feeling that there is a desire to fit a square peg in a round hole at the Sharks at the moment.

  • Comment 81, posted at 26.08.14 10:36:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : @robdylan (Comment 70) : @robdylan (Comment 72) :
    Hmmm, ok I hear what you say but to me it sounds like someone is trying to teach the youngster a lesson for his non rugby indiscretions. If thats the case they are no more than selfish bullies who could have messed up someones career.

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.08.14 10:42:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 80) : Reason I say Rhule at 13 is cos by the time the Cheeaths get the ball wide the wing doesnt hav much space so often gets bundled into touch but a bigger winger such as Venter would be able to ride the tackle and stay infield. Also witha guy like Benji and Rhule inside it would keep defenders busy allowing more space. On the Blommetjies kicking- i think there is more to it. The Sharks seem to hate playing with the ball and dont look comfortable to i think it was a tactical thing by the Cheetahs to try force the Sharks to play a ball in hand game which they arent comfortbale with. And Blommetjies kicks were a lot better than any of the Sharks ones

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.08.14 10:55:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 82) :
    Massive leap of induction there. I think that incident has been left in the past, and certainly raising here doesnt help either.

  • Comment 84, posted at 26.08.14 10:57:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 83) : “The Sharks seem to hate playing with the ball and dont look comfortable” – You have perfectly summed up the Sharks of late.

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.08.14 11:07:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 85) : its unfortunately true

  • Comment 86, posted at 26.08.14 11:29:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 84) : It is, yes and the only reason Im raising it here is because this is where the guy is getting trashed and maybe because I feel strongly about it – this is someone that was a standout player for the Junior Boks and now he suddenly doesnt have the credentials in his best position to make a struggling provincial u21 side. Poor.
    Ok, rant over,I will leave it in the past.

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.08.14 11:32:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 80) : where did you see that? Re Mienie, I mean

  • Comment 88, posted at 26.08.14 11:36:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 87) : must say you do raise a really good point!

  • Comment 89, posted at 26.08.14 13:43:59 by JD Reply
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  • Hello ladies and gents. I’m back from a super hectic conference this weekend…but we did have time to watch some rugby. I have to say that in the first 20 minutes the Sharks did some nice stuff. You could see they were trying to use the backs more and they pulled some nice moves. Ultimately our inability to remain accurate through several phases kept tripping us up…but I thought that was a step in the right direction. But from there on it was a nightmare. The second and third quarter were TERRIBLE! There were phases of play with 7 consecutive kicks!! At least in the final quarter we opened up a bit again and Chavanga’s try was a beauty. More of that!!

  • Comment 90, posted at 26.08.14 21:47:45 by pastorshark Reply
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