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Two Shark changes for Puma clash


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 27 Aug 2014 at 13:02
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JC Astle and Conrad Hoffmann come in for starts as the Cell C Sharks team to take on the Pumas in Nelspruit on Friday night is named.

Astle, the young lock who joined the Sharks from the Boland Cavaliers ahead of the Currie Cup campaign, last started against the self-same opposition in Durban a fortnight ago, wearing the number 4 jersey. He picked up a knock in that game and missed out on last week’s clash against the Cheetahs, but will this week have an even bigger task on his hands as he wears Marco Wentzel’s number 5 jersey – and takes on the role of lineout general.

Stephan Lewies continues his comeback from injury off the bench.

The only change to a back unit that failed to fire against the Cheetahs comes at scrumhalf, where young Cameron Wright is benched in favour of the more experienced Hoffmann. The latter added a fair amount of much-needed calm and composure coming on against the men from Bloemfontein and will need to ensure more of the same in the Mbombela Stadium cauldron, where another sloppy backline performance will surely result in defeat. S’bura Sithole, who was an injury doubt earlier in the week, has been cleared to resume his partnership with Paul Jordaan in midfield.

A switch on the bench sees Lourens Adriaanse picked as the only prop reserve, meaning a rest for Thomas du Toit and another opportunity for Johan Meyer to show what he can do in senior rugby.

Cell C Sharks: 15. SP Marais, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. S’bura Sithole, 12. Paul Jordaan, 11. Tonderai Chavhanga, 10. Fred Zeilinga, 9. Conrad Hoffmann, 8. Tera Mtembu (Capt) , 7. Francois Kleinhans, 6. Jacques Botes, 5. JC Astle , 4. Etienne Oosthuizen, 3. Matt Stevens, 2. Kyle Cooper , 1. Dale Chadwick
Replacements: 16. Franco Marais, 17. Lourens Adriaanse, 18. Stephan Lewies , 19. Johan Meyer , 20. Cameron Wright, 21. Heimar Williams, 22. Lionel Cronje



60 Comments

  • I really think Odwa needs to move out the team and make way for Heimar at 12 with everyone else shifting over in the midfield.

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.08.14 13:05:47 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Is the Tank injured or being rested?

    EDIT: Nevermind, answered in the full article.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.08.14 13:09:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Good call on 5 and 9, but what the plan is with 12 and 15 is something I would dearly love to understand! :roll:

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.08.14 13:09:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 1) : A lot of folks seem to be on Odders case this week for some reason when he is not the worst Sharks back by far. I think there’s a much better case to be made to drop SP and move Odwa to fullback.

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.08.14 13:12:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Surely SP Marais cannot get any worse than previous weeks?? Surely!! Not a fan of that loose trio combo im afraid. And Zeilinga better not just kick for the sake of it! Giving the ball to the Pumas will mean a very long day in Nelspruit

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.08.14 13:13:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 1) : I disagree. I’d like to see Jordaan at 15 and Heimar coming in at 12. I think that Sithole should stay at 13 as his defence is amazing and I see him as a future Bok 13.

    Jordaan has amazing pace and would add a lot joining the line fromfullback and on the counter-attack.

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.08.14 13:14:25 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 4) :
    I don’t get it. He’s been very good so far, and he’s also the only experienced back we havexpect left.

    The logic escapes me.

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.08.14 13:15:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 4) : Frankly, at this point I think there’s a much better case to be made to drop SP and move Matt Stevens to fullback.

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.08.14 13:16:00 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 4) : Leave Odwa on the wing. He snuffs out all wide attacks that come his way.

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.08.14 13:16:02 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : I have a hunch that Kleinhans will repay the faith placed in him, he just needs a bit more time to settle. Agreed on the kicking comment, the Pumas as team, do seem to take some time to gel during a game but once they do and we gift them ball upon ball at their home ground, they won’t shy away from punishing us.

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.08.14 13:18:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 7) : Odwa has been a rock. He must stay on the wing!

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.08.14 13:18:05 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Odwa is Mr fixit. You don’t see him doing much flashy stuff, but go look how many times he was the guy responsible for cleaning up the mess that other backs had made,

    Drop him at your peril.

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.08.14 13:19:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 10) : Their interplay against Griquas was amazing. Reminded me of New Zealand teams. They shift the ball away from contact and try not to go to ground with it.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.08.14 13:19:55 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Exactly!! Without him we’d probably have 2 losses and only 1 win.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.08.14 13:20:40 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 8) : Matt might eventually run out of steam but he wouldn’t disappoint, I’m being completely serious. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.08.14 13:20:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 13) : Agreed, the WP/Lions games wasn’t bad at all but to be honest I enjoyed watching the Pumas even more (apart from their opening 20 minutes).

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.08.14 13:22:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Nah, I wouldn’t drop Odwa. Like Rob said, he isn’t very flashy, but he is solid on defence, consistent and dependable.
    Would rather have liked to see Van Tonder at 15.
    Also, what ever happened to Swiel?

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.08.14 13:23:43 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 16) : Why have we moved away from that style of play? We used to be renowned for it. I hate this kicking-at-all-costs-brain dead-Bulls rugby!!! :evil:

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.08.14 13:23:43 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 10) : I havnt a problem with Kleinhans, jus the combo of him Botes and Mthembu doesnt really seem to gel. Maybe its taking longer than expected but I havnt seen them link as a unit yet. Kleinhans is good on the ground but we also havnt seen any of that really as i think he trying to be the big tackling 7 flanker. Adn the Pumas have big strong ball carriers so i hope the milk and mild backs that kick the ball away are ready to tackle then as some of them got steamrolled in Durbs

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.08.14 13:25:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 17) : I think Swiel is carrying an injury…. we’ll see when the under 21 side is named

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.08.14 13:30:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • I stand corrected on the “lot of folks” on Odwa’s case comment. The cavalry has arrived :cool:

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.08.14 13:32:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : An out-of-steam Matt will probably still be better than SP…

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.08.14 13:32:42 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Thanx Rob. Must say, I really thought he would get more game time in the CC than what we have seen. Guess with the likes of Zeilinga and Cronje there is no spot left for him..?

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.08.14 13:37:02 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 18) : The approach is probably largely determined by our DOR but I think you nailed it with the “kicking-at-all-costs” part of your comment. Yes, teams with less possession do tend to still win (according to the experts) but they also don’t tend to kick at all costs and there lies our problem. We’re falling back to a kicking game plan when unsure but we’re not executing it in an intelligent manner.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.08.14 13:39:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 22) : Ice burn :twisted:

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.08.14 13:40:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • let’s just remember that SP isn’t picking himself and that you can tell from his facial expressions that this current form slump is really getting to him.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.08.14 13:46:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : U sure he isnt picking himself? I mean that would be be the only reasonable explanation ;) I hope he comes right but he just seems to be struggling with this game and mindset at the moment.

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.08.14 13:55:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Rob, SP is quality and I’m sure he will be back to his best sooner rather than later. But in the meantime I wish that BMH would give someone like Van Tonder go just to reward hard work and patience if nothing else. And we know Van Tonder has the goods to deliver.

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.08.14 13:55:20 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Fair point.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.08.14 13:57:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Drop Odwa, never”…….he is the donkey worker of that planless backline………Really SP again? I am baffled. Just shows how handy Robert du Preez would have been now, can play 10, 12, and 15. But rather we sit with Lionel Cronje who will probably go to the Kings next”…….that is if Jake does not sign him for the next 10 years.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.08.14 13:58:03 by Lieplapper Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Fair enough. I’ll go back to picking on Conrad Hoffman.

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.08.14 14:16:13 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : Pretty sure he never picked himself either.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.08.14 14:24:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Yip – his dance routine also no longer has the zip it had at the start of the season.

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.08.14 14:25:34 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Astle will be fine in the 5 jumper. He used to do he lineout calls for the Cheetahs u/21 and Vodacom Cup teams.

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.08.14 14:27:59 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Not sure if the loose trio has enough beef to counteract the Puma’s very physical loosies. Kleinhans seems to be a bit more of an openside?

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.08.14 14:34:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 28) : Maybe Astle gave the coach a report back of what he thought of the Sharks players exploits in the Voadacom Cup game that was played in Ceres earlier this year.

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.08.14 14:39:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Since SP is searching for form, why not give Van Tonder a decent go? He won’t hang around forever and then we’ll really be thin at 15.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.08.14 14:48:53 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 32) : Details, details…

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.08.14 14:53:14 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I don’t know if you noticed, but even though Botes wore 6 and Kleinhans 7, Botes packed down on the blindside against the Cheetahs. Also, Botes is actually a little taller and 2 KGs heavier than Kleinhans and was used in the ball carrying role much more than Kleinhans. Clearly Kleinhans is the opensider and Botes the blindsider in this combination so why don’t they just wear the correct numbers?

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.08.14 14:55:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 35) : It could be a long, bruising day at the office if the Pumas scrum get the upperhand in the scrums and that will be more accentuated with the unavailability of Du Toit.

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.08.14 14:56:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : Go watch the match again, Kleinhans played openside, not blindside, just wore 7, Botes was the blindside and ball carrier, so should have worn 7. You didn’t see the big ball carrier role from Kleinhans because that was not his role on the day, it was the openside/fetcher role.

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.08.14 14:57:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 39) : you could argue that they are

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.08.14 15:00:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Only if they are playing somewhere other than SA! :mrgreen: :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.08.14 15:01:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : It confuses people and they argue the player is not doing well even though they may be performing their role admirably.

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.08.14 15:05:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : Id have to closely watch the game then as i only recall Kleinhans slowing the ball down/turning it over once so if i judge of that he was pretty shite. Botes carried the ball a lot because his work rate is a lot higher than other guys so is only option there most of the time. Watch and u will see the scrummy look for guys but only have Botes as an option a lot of the time! Botes isnt a 7 so then he shouldnt be in the side. As I said i dont have a problem with the individuals just the combo of them.

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.08.14 15:08:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I think Botes is going to play the way Botes has always played. A real hybrid who certainly doesn’t play the typical “bashing” role of an SA 7 but is a wiley and effective ball carrier all the same.

    The challenge is to find a way for Franna to complement him.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.08.14 15:12:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Not just Franna but Mthembu as well. Botes has great hands so guys need to run off him because he isnt going to steamroll 5 guys but is going to make a half break and be able to offload.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.08.14 15:20:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Botes was 14 KGs heavier than the 7 for the Cheetahs (according to the stats provided before the game).

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.08.14 15:22:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) : The Cheetahs dont play that kind of bash it up game though.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.08.14 15:40:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : I know but seeing a 84 KG forward play in SA is a rarity to say the least.

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.08.14 15:42:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : By the way, I agree, I am not a fan of this loose combination, but I think Botes can fill the blindside role very well, he does not bash it up, but is a very effective ball carrier, and as you say his workrate is high. I think the weakness right now in the trio is Kleinhans who is not filling the openside role very well (yet).

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.08.14 15:46:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : To be honest i think all 3 of the guys have good attributes and for a large part do well on defense. Its just on attack they dont seem to link at all…Botes is always looking to offload so Mthembu and Kleinhans need to get closer and run off him- i think Kleinhans did that once in a game and almost went through to score. Mthembu has also tended to die with the ball lately. I think all 3 have good ‘fetcher’ qualities too so the opposition ball should be a lot slower than it is currently. I just get the feeling that the loose trio like majority of the team just look very unsure of themselves.

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.08.14 15:51:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) : those Supersport stats are bullshit.

    most accurate weights i have for the two players are Botes at roughly 98kg and Kleinhans at 102kg.

    Both roughly the same height at 1.84m

    There’s no way Neil Claasen weighs only 84kg. His profile says 100

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.08.14 15:52:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : LOL gotta love those SuperSport stats.

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.08.14 18:24:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • This is now bordering insanity. Hell picking the same disfunction backline (from 10-15) and expecting things to change…….. it makes no sense!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Fuck just change something!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.08.14 21:58:44 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 39) : maybe they starting to conform to the rest of th world with 6 being the blindside and 7 the openside.

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.08.14 22:01:15 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : @vanmartin (Comment 4) : PLUS “Odwa” is just so cool to shout out really loud!!!

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.08.14 22:02:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 4) : ja would shift Odwa to 15 and let Jordaan move to 14.

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.08.14 22:14:00 by JD Reply
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  • Why this sudden concern regarding Odds?
    He`s Rock Solid and we`ve got a very young, inexperienced team, we need all the experience we can get.
    Leave him on the wing where he adds the most value.

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.08.14 22:22:37 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 59) : think it’s because everyone is obsessed with youth and speed!!! They will only miss him once he’s gone!!!

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.08.14 22:25:54 by JD Reply
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