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Pumas embarrass sloppy Sharks


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 29 Aug 2014 at 21:03
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The Cell C Sharks have finally been made to pay for sloppy an uninspiring play, conceding a 32-22 bonus point win to the Steval Pumas in Nelspruit.

The visitors started well enough, dominating possession and territory in an opening spell that alas yielded scant return, with only a Fred Zeilinga penalty in the seventh minute to show for their efforts. Worse, flakner Francois Kleinhans’s outing had only lasted six minutes before he had to be taken off with a suspected broken arm. Amidst growing frustration at their inability to finish off, the Sharks began to concede territory and possession, with the likes of Rosco Speckman and Stefan Watermeyer beginning to make through a defensive the became alarmingly more porous as the game went on. Renaldo Bothma’s opening try – which was awarded with any evidence that he’d actually grounded the ball – put the hosts into the leads, a lead which flyhalf Justin van Staden extended to 13-3 on the half hour mark.

The Sharks had meanwhile suffered another big blow, with lock JC Astle leaving the field with a hamstring injury at the end of the first quarter.

As well as the Pumas were playing, one has to acknowledge that referee Ben Crouse played a big role in allowing them first half ascendancy, with Puma players allowed to play on after numerous infringements, failing to release the ball in the tackle being the most obvious. The Sharks appeared to have finally made the breakthrough and were on their way through to score their first when Crouse called them back, alleging that a perfectly legitimate tackle by Tonderai Chavhanga had been late; the shell-shocked Sharks went on to conceded a second shortly afterwards and went into the shed trailing 9-18, after Zeilinga had done well to bring them back in range via two further penalties.

While the visitors has cause to look at the officials during the first half, the second allowed no such luxury. After competing well for half an hour – a period during which they finally managed to edge ahead through constructive play – and a good try by SP Marais – the Sharks suffered a complete meltdown in the final ten minutes. It began with SP Marais shanking a regulation free kick directly into touch; Watermeyer scored from the resulting lineout and the slender 22-18 lead was overturned to see the hosts lead by four. Any hopes of a late comeback were dashed as Pumas lock Giant Mtayanda crashed over in the corner with minutes to spare, consigning the Sharks to abject defeat and handing the Pumas their first victory over the Sharks in ten years – with a bonus point to boot.

Pumas 32: Tries Renaldo Bothma, Justin van Staden, Stefan Watermeyer, Giant Mtayanda. Conversions van Staden, JC Roos (2). Penalties van Staden (2).
Sharks 22: Try SP Marais. Conversion Fred Zeilinga. Penalties Zeilinga (5).



89 Comments

  • Sloppy? Sugar coating it.

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.08.14 21:06:31 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Bloody hell – seems like we used all the luck last weekend. We are in for a long CC if we continue to play like this.

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.08.14 21:11:37 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • The ref was a tosser both ways. The second to last try from the Pumas was all him!

    The rest of the shit was all on the sharks playing like amateurs.

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.08.14 21:26:49 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Sharks are still in the twilight zone regarding which gameplan they want to execute. Pumas played some highly entertaining rugby tonight. Hard to believe Watermeyer was that mediocre Bulls centre once upon a time. Coaching makes a difference.

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.08.14 21:29:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • The team played crap but I just dont know how much longer we can go afford to carry the obvious liability that SP Marais has become….

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.08.14 21:31:51 by SharkED Reply

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  • @SharkED (Comment 5) : He was unpredictable last year, but I figured he would mature with more time. Disappointing to see he still makes the same mistakes. He knows he isn’t playing at the level he should, and it seems he needs a break.

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.08.14 21:34:31 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • I think he needs the break, his confidence is gone at the moment and his mistakes are costing us big time….

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.08.14 21:38:30 by SharkED Reply

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  • Where is Wentzel? And Peet Marais?

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.08.14 21:39:44 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 8) : mat stevens is mediocre, and the flanks are kak…. we miss KD and JD big time !!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.08.14 21:41:07 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 8) : BMH said in the press this week that Wentzel is away for a few weeks, I couldn’t fine anything else. Peet is is France, playing for Brive. Jandre is also over there, but with Bordeaux (getting great reviews for them!)

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.08.14 22:04:39 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • This was a result waiting to happen after scraping through during the first three rounds.

    While JW might not be directly involved with the CC he is ruining Sharks rugby

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.08.14 22:16:04 by Baylion Reply

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  • All that from an unnecessary quick tap and a kick into touch, where we should have settled down and played the clock ?

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.08.14 22:30:42 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • Franna kleinhans out for 6-10 weeks…broken arm

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.08.14 22:44:01 by Stripes111 Reply

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  • Joordaan and Marias are playing like shit. Seriously, Jordaan has no impact.

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.08.14 22:53:19 by Talent Reply
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  • Our kicking out of hand was abysmal.

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.08.14 22:54:42 by Talent Reply
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  • Mthembu, Lewies and Hoffman were the only Shark quality looking players out there tonight. Our 12 and 13 were both on the Bok radar, you would never have said so based on tonights performance.

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.08.14 22:57:10 by Talent Reply
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  • What a shambles.

    I think BMH must go ask Hilton College for his R1 million a year job back.

    He is obviously not coping with Brendan Venter off the scene. The Sharks have regressed over the past year.

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.08.14 23:22:14 by jonnow Reply

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  • So I didn’t miss much. Again.

    Sharks need to take some brave decisions if they hope to retain their fan base and win any silverware. You can only use the building/adjusting excuse for so long.

    Don’t think it really matters though – WP are streets ahead of the rest in this year’s competition.

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.08.14 23:31:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • All the Sharks loosies were crap…they were owned physically and in play…
    The pumas loose trio were at least twice as good as the Sharks loose trio….
    Plus the Sharks loosies are poor at defence…esp poor in covering the def line…

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.08.14 00:11:33 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 14) : all Jordaan does in the game is tackle he offers nothing at 12 on attack!!!!!! SP is useless at the moment and needs to go!!!! To be brutally honest the Sharks got what they deserved!!!!! If the powers that be does not change things now it’s going to be a long Currie cup and an even longer Super rugby next year!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.08.14 00:40:51 by JD Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 19) : Terra had a good game, he made some good ground from the kick offs.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.08.14 00:44:53 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 18) : ja you only missed high blood pressure and a really iffy performance!!!!!!!!!! Things eeds to change and quickly! !!!!!!!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.08.14 00:47:40 by JD Reply
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  • I haven’t watched yet ( in Canada and have it saved as it was on during work) wondering how many kicks from hand I will see.
    Games are getting dull to watch…set piece and then 5 or 6 kicks back and forth followed by 5 or 6 channel 1 bash it ups that move the gain line about 2 meters, for the next set piece to start.

    If a team in SA ever started playing with the ball in hand even a little bit the other teams would have trouble matching them.

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.08.14 03:01:27 by RobBartlett Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 16) : Disagree about Hofmann. All I saw from him was one uncontestable box kick after the other – just handing the little possession the Sharks got straight back to the Pumas. Then again to be fair at half time I made a decision to stop watching the rubbish the Sharks are dishing up at the moment.

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.08.14 08:13:08 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I’d advise Sharks fans to still watch this game as it highlights our current vulnerabilities well but also shows us what a well coached team can achieve with ball in hand irrespective of the number of big names in their squad. The Pumas have their weaknesses (major one being that they take 20 minutes to get going) but they do know how to focus on their strengths.

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.08.14 08:32:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 25) : I am afraid it will just raise my blood pressure more – the fact that a small union with no name players can manage this, while a big name union with the budget of the Sharks have no idea.

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.08.14 08:41:47 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I missed the game due to having to watch Walking With Dinosaurs: The Movie for approximately the 7000th time with my daughter. I think when the Sharks play next weekend, I’ll be sorely tempted to make it 7001 watches…

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.08.14 08:57:58 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 27) : You missed an excellent Ruan Pienaar impression by your favourite scrumhalf though.

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.08.14 09:36:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 27) : :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.08.14 09:53:40 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Good thing the Boks are not playing this weekend, would have had to put you all on depression watch.

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.08.14 10:10:16 by Morné Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 27) : :mrgreen: my word…….not even interested in watching this shit. Watching SP Marais play is not good for my health at all. Infact the whole team.

    We don’t have locks, loosies, a 9, centres, a left wing, not even to mention that we do not have a fullback.

    My word how can we have gone backwards so quickly…….really. The mind boggles. Why would they have left the Marais brothers, Keegan, and a host of others just go?

    Fucking useless….I will not be watching this shit anymore. I am done

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.08.14 10:13:29 by Lieplapper Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 4) : Think the Sevens experience also added value. When he was at the Bulls, it certainly didn’t suit his style of play.

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.08.14 10:32:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SharkED (Comment 5) : He scored the Sharks only try, and he didn’t play that badly. Think the Sharks fans are picking on individuals when they should be asking why the Sharks are employing the current game plan.

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.08.14 10:33:39 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 33) : I think we can trace most of the worst moments directly back to an error by either SP or Fred. Both were very poor, with Fred saved (a little) by a very good goal-kicking performance on the night

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.08.14 10:46:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • I really enjoyed the inter-play and off loading of the Puma’s,amazing what a pass can do.

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.08.14 11:16:14 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 26) : @vanmartin (Comment 25) : that’s the point,”well coached” with a game plan,tic tacs,its time for the novice coaches at Sharks to go,sentiment is a huge problem at the Sharks and its now costing

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.08.14 11:18:28 by benji Reply
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  • Heading could just as well have been Sloppy Sharks embarrass their fans.

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.08.14 11:30:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 24) : The thing is, Hoffman does have a decent pass, he showed one or two glimpses of it last night. Those incessant box kicks where he turned our hard won possession over into attacking possession for the Pumas must be under the coaches instruction as part of some Jake White inspired territorial based game plan.

    When are these palookas going to realize that Paul Jordaan is not an inside centre, but he is an awesome outside centre. They should never have let Tim Whiehead go, Jordaan would have been devaststing outside a playmaker like Whitehead.

    Sorry to say, but the wins the Sharks have achieved so far in the Currie Cup have just had the effect of papering over the poor game plan and ineptness of our coaching team. What a different story it was with a proper coach like Brendan Venter in charge, instead of John Smit’s old playing buddy.

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    Disgruntled from Hilton :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.08.14 11:32:38 by jonnow Reply

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  • For those that have not watched the game I think it is well worth doing just to see a backline that runs hard and straight, links beautifully, offloads before they die with the ball and generally is tuned in as to where they are going and what they want to do.

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.08.14 11:35:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 39) :the work of a proper backline coach

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.08.14 11:45:07 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 40) : MJ Mentz, brother of Henno Mentz that played quite a few games for the Sharks

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.08.14 12:00:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • We are heading in the right direction and I enjoyed the fact that we kept more ball in hand and kicked less. We’re not there yet but it was a move in the right direction.

    We need to make a few changes to our team and work on our tactical kicking. We still kick down the oppositions throats instead of having the ball land on grass and rolling out to put pressure on them. Our up and unders go too far so the catcher has no pressure on him. Watch last week’s All Blacks vs Wallabies game for an example of how up and unders should be kicked.

    We need to play Heimar Williams at 12 and shift Jordaan to 15 or start van Tonder at 15. We need to also work on offloading in the tackle as the Pumas did. They were brilliant!!

    Can we get any of the Pumas for Super Rugby? Bell (15), Bothma (8), the centres, Watermeyer and Jonker, and Speckman were all brilliant and would add a lot to the Sharks squad for Super Rugby.

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.08.14 12:52:01 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 42) : It’s not their players we need, it’s their attitude (and coaching obviously)

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.08.14 13:09:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 44) : If you look at the backs, its a SR line up. Are they getting enough quality ball from the forwards?

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.08.14 16:54:01 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 44) : It’s a SR lineup, but it’s not a particularly successful SR lineup. BIG difference

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.08.14 17:52:43 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Well, this loss didn’t come as a surprise. It was like watching the cliched car crash in slow motion.

    To murder Shakespeare: a Venter, a Venter! My kingdom for a Venter!

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.08.14 10:18:55 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 46) : :D

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.08.14 10:26:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 42) : As a Sharks supporter I couldn’t care less about journeymen. I want to unearth the Sonny Bill Williams and Israel Folau’s of Rugby.

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.08.14 12:51:02 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 48) : boet the “journeymen” kicked ass on Friday and totally outplayed the “classy” Sharks backline!!!!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.08.14 13:29:33 by JD Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 48) : Honestly, you should care about journeymen, all SR squads are majority journeymen, there are only so many Sonny Bills and Israel Folau’s to go around. Yes it is important to unearth them, but your journeymen are critically important to the team. Look at the Sharks, there is only one player that most agree is best in his position in the world, and that is Bissie, there are no other Sonny Bills and Israel Folau’s in the squad, all journeymen. The Sharks may be lucky enough to have uncovered a real gem in Thomas DuToit, but only time will tell. Finding players like this is a rarity.

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.08.14 16:18:04 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 50) : Yes, but Bissy hasn’t been as good as usual. In general play, Strauss is playing much better. Bissie’s lineouts have become increasingly erratic, and even his usually good play in the tight has waned.

    Right now I think Strauss has usurped Bissy as our premier hooker.

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.08.14 17:20:13 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Best rugby played by the Sharks all season was when they were reduced to 14 players.

    Must admit though, Pumas play a beautiful brand of rugby, and the only tie the Sharks were able to get back in the game was when the Pumas got nervous and kicked possession away.

    Hard to tell what exactly is going wrong at the Sharks, but it is the most tiresome team to support in rugby history.

    I’d like to see a coaching staff of Robert du Preez and James Smal take on the Sharks…they did wonders with the Pukke and Leopards.

    Though we should also probably bear in mind that, during last year’s CC, Venter had a large contingent of senior players and still managed to drop a game vs. the Kwas, and lost twice to WP. He also benefited largely from returning Boks at the end of the season.

    So there is still time, let’s hope the Sharks figure out how to solve these issues.

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.08.14 18:08:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 52) : Let’s seriously hope so!!! I feel totally deflated!

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.08.14 19:59:07 by [email protected] Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 51) : I agree that Bissie has not been up to his own high standard the last few games, especially for the Boks. However, it is hard to say Strauss has usurped him, since he has not played all that much rugby in the time Bissie has been off the boil. Overall, taking into account a lifetime of rugby of both players, Bissie is really far ahead of Strauss who is a superb Hooker and right up there with the best in the world. But still, you missed the point of my post, which was that even a team that was touted to win SR at the beginning of the season only had one player who was really the best in the world in his position. All the other players were essentially journeymen, hence the importance of considering the journeymen players. (directed at Talent) :smile:

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.08.14 20:15:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 52) : ja it’s tiresome but we still love them!!!!! Sharks team has enough quality players to win the Currie cup, coaching structures just needs to catch a wakeup and pick the players in the right positions!!!!!

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.08.14 20:15:28 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 52) : I’ve said many times, that a game plan of kicking for field position is fine, however, it is absolutely critical that every single kick meets at least one of the following requirements:

    1. Kick into touch, either on the full from inside your 22 or bounce it out from outside your 22
    2. The ball should hit the ground before it is played by an opposing player, i.e. kick into space, not at someone.
    3. An up and under, or a cross kick that puts the opposing players under a lot of pressure, a kick that is contestable when it comes down.

    If you can not be sure of meeting one of the three requirements, then figure out something else to do with the ball, i.e run or pass.

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.08.14 20:22:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 55) : so when you say picking players in the right position, you mean Heimar at 12 and Jordaan at 15??? ;-)

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.08.14 20:23:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 55) : In all honesty, I think even SP knows he needs some time off. He has been awful the last few matches, but he has been very good for us in the past, so I would not write him off. He does need a break though, in my opinion, it will make him more hungry and he will return a better player.

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.08.14 20:26:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 56) : Sadly this aspect of the kicking game seems to be completely overlooked.

    Also, you need to be able to draw the back three into the defensive line in order for your kicking game to be even more effective.

    In SA however, we are oblivious to the art of using guile on attack. We always have one big dumb ball carrier, with 14 big-ish dumb onlookers. :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.08.14 20:49:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 59) : hehehe, sounds like my ratio of best and all the rest. I don’t know, it is puzzling, all the players seem to have the skill set to do the right thing with the ball, but rarely seem to make the right decision. As you say, if it takes a few phases (of quick ball) to draw in their back three, then be patient before kicking. Just some really basic stuff they seem to be missing.

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.08.14 20:57:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 56) : The Sharks kicking is so aimless, I think the coaches should do a Harry Viljoen and ban all kicking except from within your own 22. And teach SP about the taking-back-into-your-22 rule.

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.09.14 07:49:11 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I think us Sharks fans are going to need to be patient and a bit realistic. This Sharks team is really struggling, players do not look on form and the combinations just arent gelling. We are loosing a lot of ball in the contact and the Sharks tackling needs to be looked at- we keep trying to tackle high and go for the ball but often get bumped off or the attacker gets well over the advantage line.If Sharks make the semis i will be impressed

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.09.14 08:23:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : The Sharks really need to invest to get our second tier players up to scratch. The gulf between the players who started in the Super 15 and the current Currie Cup team starters is too big to be healthy. I know we have a number with Super rugby experience, but even they are looking lost or ineffective at the moment.

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.09.14 08:51:30 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 56) : Well said sir

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.09.14 08:52:46 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) : I would,he should be kicked to touch and Van T given a run on!for how long does a team persist with nonsense,starting in Super Rugby already

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.09.14 08:58:10 by benji Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 60) : I disagree,the Sharks skill’s are sadly very lacking ,which is for me me one of the most important aspects needing emergancy treatment

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.09.14 09:02:04 by benji Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : Agreed, although its going to take a lot of patience from supporters. Having player numbers doesnt mean you have depth…having depth means having a number of players all of the same skill and decision making ability with obviously a few exceptions for your Boks which are meant to be exceptional.

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.09.14 09:02:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 20) : Couldn’t agree more!!
    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 37) : Lol definately and emailed to all the players!!

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 52) : Tiresome and frustrating to say the least :x

    I really hope BMH has a strategy to rectify things???

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.09.14 10:43:20 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) :

    Sp actually “blamed” JW for his drop in form, said he lost confidence when he was dropped during SR and now he is always in two minds when making a decision. Lost all rspect for the guy. It could be just a journo twisting his word, but seriously SP, you were playing poorly long before you got dropped and now the same thing is happening again.

    Play Van Tonder, or even Jordaan at 15 …. Cornje. SP needs to learn you dont get selected if you dont perform.

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.09.14 20:30:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • The story of our game against the Pumas:

    KICKS FROM HAND

    Round 4

    13: Conrad Hoffman (Sharks)
    12: George Whitehead (EP Kings)
    7: Kurt Coleman (Western Province)
    6: Francois Brummer (Griquas)
    6: Fred Zeilinga (Sharks)
    6: SP Marais (Sharks)
    6: Joshua Stander (Blue Bulls)

    And I thought the coaches said they would change the plan?

  • Comment 70, posted at 02.09.14 08:29:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Versus:

    METRES RUN

    Round 4

    171: Jesse Kriel (Blue Bulls)
    168: PJ Vermeulen (Griquas)
    149: Dean Grant (Griquas)
    132: Seabelo Senatla (Western Province)
    130: Clayton Blommetjies (Free State Cheetahs)
    123: Andries Coetzee (Golden Lions)
    119: Raymond Rhule (Free State Cheetahs)
    118: Jonathan Francke (Griquas)
    116: Cheslin Kolbe (Western Province)
    116: Francois Brummer (Griquas)

    Season so far

    553: Andries Coetzee (Golden Lions)
    419: Cheslin Kolbe (Western Province)
    405: Jesse Kriel (Blue Bulls)
    396: Scott van Breda (EP Kings)
    381: Francois Brummer (Griquas)
    372: Carel Greeff (Griquas)
    364: Ruan Combrinck (Golden Lions)
    357: Burger Odendaal (Blue Bulls)
    355: Stokkies Hanekom (Golden Lions)
    351: Raymond Rhule (Free State Cheetahs)
    345: Seabelo Senatla (Western Province)
    331: Juan de Jongh (Western Province)
    308: Francois Venter (Free State Cheetahs)
    305: Ronnie Cooke (EP Kings)

  • Comment 71, posted at 02.09.14 08:32:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 71) : Run home Jesse Kriel, run home! (And grab an attack coach while you’re on your way)

  • Comment 72, posted at 02.09.14 08:47:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 72) : Hey VM, you live in Centurion, don’t you? Do you have kids?

  • Comment 73, posted at 02.09.14 08:51:25 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 73) : Correct, yeah I have two. The youngest is a very recent arrival.

  • Comment 74, posted at 02.09.14 08:53:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 74) : Have you ever been to the Big Red Barn and/or The Society of Model Railway Engineers? I want to take my kids sometime, but want an opinion on whether it is worth the drive

  • Comment 75, posted at 02.09.14 08:55:48 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 71) : Geez doesnt that just tell a story…

  • Comment 76, posted at 02.09.14 09:12:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 75) : I’ve been to the Big Red Barn twice. It’s a great place for kids but is highly dependant on fair weather so check the forecast before heading out. Haven’t ventured near the Model Railway place – imagine a bull in a china shop interbred with Godzilla. That’s my eldest right now once she gets excited. Little toy trains in miniature landscapes will never stand a chance.

    EDIT: Just googled the Model Railway place. I had it wrong, it seems these are actually big enough to take rides on. Defintely going to look into that.

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.09.14 09:13:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 77) : There’s a place close to me, Cedar Junction, that also has model trains large enough for kids to ride on. I was just curious how the two compares.

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.09.14 09:23:55 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 78) : Unfortunately I have no idea but I see it’s adjacent to the mashie that made me decide that golf was not for me. Not sure if that bodes well or not but at least it was pretty scenic the last time I was there.

  • Comment 79, posted at 02.09.14 10:01:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : I’m glad to see someone else also using the word “patience”…

  • Comment 80, posted at 02.09.14 10:21:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 79) : Golf *spit*

  • Comment 81, posted at 02.09.14 10:32:58 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I was just chewing on some biltong and looking at the current CC log…and then it struck me…it could all be worse…and if we were Bulls Supporters it would be!

  • Comment 82, posted at 02.09.14 10:33:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • This is how I try to keep a bit of perspective and then make some suggestions from there:
    1. Of the players who will be playing Super Rugby next year, our CC squad is missing: 2 wings (one of whom often plays 13), 1 centre, 1 flyhalf, 1 scumhalf, 3 loosies, 1 lock, 2 props and 1 hooker. That means basically our whole first choice side is missing.
    2. Given that, any expectation that we will actually defend our title has to be unrealistic. If we do, it will be a huge bonus. If we reach the final, that will also be a bonus. The realistic target should be making the semis (by the way, logically I would have said the Lions should be favourites, then WP…and the Cheetahs and the Bulls look to me to be in the greatest amount of trouble)
    3. All that tells me the main aim of our CC should be player development. It is why I would give Meyer a shot at 7, keep going with Wright at 9, give Esterhuizen a shot at 12 (although, to be honest, I don’t have a clue about the off-field issues which may justify his exclusion), try a young winger…and? Well, and give an inexperienced coaching staff a chance to learn a thing or two too…

  • Comment 83, posted at 02.09.14 10:49:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • All the above has merit and if it comes off will be great, but at the back of my mind I have the nagging suspicion that our returness from Japan are going to offer us a lot more hope than substance on the field, our Boks will probably be knackered and the others that arent knackered will be seriously undercooked. As far as coaching goes I would prefer it if the coaches gained their experience at club level before stepping up to the premier domestic competition in the country.

  • Comment 84, posted at 02.09.14 11:32:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 83) : But I agree with you that this CC should be used to blood youngsters and that we shouldnt be too harsh on these newbies when they make mistakes but then again that should not excuse players new or seasoned from having poor handling skills and not doing the basics properly, and I think that is what is the biggest gripe with bloggers at the moment.

  • Comment 85, posted at 02.09.14 11:36:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 85) : Agreed…I’m not against the valid criticism that is being shared here…I’ve added my fair bit of it too. All yearvmy biggest complaint has been the high level of basic mistakes – handling, passing, kicking…all valid critiques I reckon. Just trying to highlight my view that I don’t see it as a train smash if we don’t win the CC or even make the final this year…

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.09.14 11:52:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 84) : Fair enough…though, of course, half of our Boks will have had nothing more to do than carry tackle bags and give the odd 5 minute cameo performance… :twisted:

  • Comment 87, posted at 02.09.14 11:57:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 87) : yep, and the other half will be played into the ground.

  • Comment 88, posted at 02.09.14 13:07:54 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 86) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 85) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 84) : I agree

  • Comment 89, posted at 02.09.14 23:16:46 by benji Reply
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