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Sharks running out of options


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 1 Sep 2014 at 12:04
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We await a detailed injury report after Friday’s massacre against the Pumas, but things are certainly not looking up for the Cell C Sharks.

They may face lowly Griquas this weekend – a winless team that they battled to subdue in Kimberley in round 1, despite having the numerical advantage for 70 minutes – but it’s forwards coach Paul Anthony who, in particular, is going to struggle to name a competitive unit with which to do so.

Casualties from the Pumas match include Francois Kleinhans (who we believe broke his arm), JC Astle (hamstring) and Etienne Oosthuizen (ankle), while Stephan Lewies appears to still be struggling as a result of overuse during the Super Rugby season. Already properly thinned out at both lock and 7-flank, having lost the likes of Anton Bresler, Peet Marais, Edwinn Hewitt, Jean Deysel, Keegan Daniel, Brynard Stander and Justin Downey from last year’s squad (in addition to the Boks and other injured players) the Sharks now appear to have reached the bottom of the proverbial barrel in terms of available talent.

Johan Meyer will probably earn a maiden start on the flank – and it looks like the coaches will now have to back him to come good – with Khaya Majola hopefully earning an opportunity to impress off the bench (although he’s definitely not a blind sider). Lock is going to prove tricky indeed; aside from Lewies and Marco Wentzel (who may return early from holiday), there’s only the untried Wiehan Hay to turn to.

The under 21 side is also short of locks, with loose forward Sias Koen currently operating as a makeshift 5 alongside Dave Fisher – what’s more the performances of that side’s pack as a whole hardly suggest that any of its constituents is necessarily ripe for a call up.

All in all rather bleak times and quite a turnaround from just 12 months ago, when we had more good utility forward options than we knew what to do with.



76 Comments

  • …..and supporters.

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.09.14 12:08:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Holiday!!!!, who the #$%% goes on holiday (is given a holiday) in the middle of the season. Whaaaaaaaaaaaattt.

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.09.14 12:14:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 2) : oh shit, probably wasn’t meant to reveal that nugget….

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.09.14 12:21:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Goes like this….

    New DoR to player who just 6 months prior signed a 3-year contract: “I think you’re shit and you’ll never play so long as I’m coach”
    Player to new DoR: “Screw you, I have a contract which you have to pay whether I play or not”

    You see where this one ends up going?

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.09.14 12:23:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Surely there is performance clauses in these contracts? And are the coaches etc not consulted prior to signing guys. Just seems that not much planning is happening at the Sharks latey…is Smitty drowning in paper work?

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.09.14 12:30:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • The DoR has really created some real issues we are sitting with since he has taken over, BV really got us what we needed in terms of value to a team, rotating players, and giving everyone a chance to succeed. We now sit with so many players who have left since JW arrived, so many has been’s, and so many untried players, currently i don’t see us doing much for a very long time. We starring down the same barrel the bulls have been staring through the last year.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.09.14 12:31:37 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : The biggest issue is player drain, as well as our CC coach being coached…. what a joke.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.09.14 12:33:18 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • For some reason we have lost some seriously talented players in such a short time. And now we don’t even have Strauli to blame for it. Just imagine if we had a Keegan or Deysel or even a Hewitt in the pack now

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.09.14 12:43:14 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 7) : Massive player drain, particularly locks and loose forwards. u21s not inspiring too much. Gert Smal done wonders as a director of rugby at WP…White seems to have opposite effect at the Sharks

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.09.14 12:44:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 8) : How did your guys do on the weekend?

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.09.14 12:51:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • In Jake we trust… :???: Ay how we miss BV ne. Jake’s move to the tank has been nothing short of a disaster in every facet. I’m actually hoping he gets an international contract somewhere sooner rather than later. Is there really no way that we can convince the good doctor to move his practice to Zulu land and direct our rugby again like he so wonderfully did last year. The union between JS and JW doesn’t seem to be working for us, something needs to give.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.09.14 12:57:15 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : crystal,and we all know where that’s heading,same as the Sharks in general

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.09.14 13:03:52 by benji Reply
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  • We are giving the coaches a hard time, but you have to admit that last year’s squad was definitely stronger and certainly had more depth and experience.

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.09.14 13:04:25 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : no I think JS is also being exposed,leadership starts at the top ,Sharks have none,

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.09.14 13:07:50 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Not good on any level.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.09.14 13:09:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 13) : not in the least,last year at least there was a strategy/game plan and tic tacs in place for every game,irrespective of win or lose,now this key aspect has gone

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.09.14 13:13:23 by benji Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 6) : ja only four new players coming to the Sharks but about 15 leaving and not all of those were bad players it was just that his majesty did not like them and decided to not play them untill they leave! !!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.09.14 13:24:15 by JD Reply
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  • Why not give the Du Preez brothers a shot? They couldn’t be any worse than Johan Mayer was. If we can give Du Toit a start in a Super Rugby semi final then surely we can give these two guys a run in a watered down Currie Cup match against a minnow side, even if it is off the bench.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.09.14 13:26:13 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Rob was Paul Anthony a forwards coach at the Bulls? Don’t know if I’m mad or if it’s just a Monday thing but I was sure he was a backs coach?!?!

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.09.14 13:27:10 by JD Reply
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  • From what I’ve heard, and read, they seem to be earmarked for senior starting births in a year or twos time. Don’t forget they’ve played Craven week since they were 15…

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.09.14 13:29:01 by Talent Reply
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  • Spring has sprung so a happy Spring day to one and all!!!!!!! :-)

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.09.14 13:29:06 by JD Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 18) : birdie tells me you may get your wish.

    @JD (Comment 19) : he was a backs coach when he coached my under 14 team, but definitely did more work with forwards at the Bulls.

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.09.14 13:31:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : :cool: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.09.14 13:35:06 by Talent Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 10) : Toti won! In extra time nogal

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.09.14 13:41:56 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • What is happening at this Sharks? Whatever is happening, we need the Public Protector to go investigate…does anyone have Thuli’s number?

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.09.14 13:44:02 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 25) : spot on but let’s also not forget that a forensic audit is still being conducted,eish

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.09.14 14:02:06 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    I doubt a player would stay if you’re not playing him. If you don’t play for 3 years, it would be very hard to find a team that wants you for the rest of your career.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.09.14 14:03:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • All the Sharks problems start at 9,we have not had a decent reliable scrum half since Craig Davidson
    Ross Cronje is the man who should be filling that spot,just as Warren Whitely should be filling the no8 spot.
    Fred is copping a lot of flack that is not of his doing,I doubt if the poor guy has played two games with the same 9 partner in all the games he’s played for the Sharks.
    Get that position settled and that back line will gel.
    Must say we could use Keegan’s leadership at the moment

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.09.14 14:12:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 24) : Well done, you must be chuffed.

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.09.14 14:17:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 28) : I agree we could do with Keegan, but so could we do with McLeod. I do not see any reason what so ever for them to stay here though as JW never ever gave them a decent chance in the S15.
    I am almost sure if there was decent structures in place to what BV left us with then it would have given both those players more reason to carry on here at the sharks, I do see the point that they on the old side of things and want to go and make a few $ before they retire, but if there is no incentive to stay here then why stay and be loyal to the cost of making extra $$ and actually getting decent game time.

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.09.14 14:48:12 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Yes rob, but who decided he needed such a long contract? we all know who.

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.09.14 14:51:38 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 31) : do we?

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.09.14 15:12:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 30) : Keegan probably couldnt wait to get the hell out of Durban. From Super Rugby captain and Currie Cup winning captain to sometimes making the 2014 squad and playing Vodacom Cup rugby – sad treatment of a great Sharks servant.

    I did see Keegan play in the VC cup game against Boland earlier this year and his class just shone through, it was a treat to see.

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.09.14 15:22:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : ok thanx so it’s just a Monday thing then.

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.09.14 15:58:02 by JD Reply
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  • our problems stem from no depth at number 4 lock. we are weak in the set pieces … not dominating rucks. flyhalf is standing deep and narrow making it easy to shut us down. my first purchase if i was coach would be a big bruising number 4.

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.09.14 16:34:54 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 35) : sorry to say but the Sharks has way more problems than that:
    1. No constancy from the two thight head props.
    2.Injuries to locks as well as losing all the reserve locks.
    3. Losing all the Currie cup and Super rugby no.7′s to Bokke and overseas clubs.
    4. Losing Super rugby scrum halfs to Bokke and overseas clubs.
    5. Fred is way of form and no other options seems to be ready except maybe Swiel but the coaches seems reluctant to try him again.
    6. Playing Jordaan at 12 whilst having Heimar available. Whilst Jordaan is very talented he just adds nothing on attack at 12 and seems almost lost and definitely waisted at 12 (take note I did not even start to mention a certain flank forward of the youngsters).
    7. Odwa is a great player and I love him to bits but on Saturday his lack of speed was shown up and that’s a huge concern as it seems as if there is not a huge amount of talent available to fill the gap.
    8. At 15 I don’t think on current form SP could not make the Grifons team!!!!!
    9. Coaches seems unable to see problems or seems unable to sort out the problems. The season is almost over and yet handling and skills are still pathetic! !!!!!

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.09.14 18:17:06 by JD Reply
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  • @talent When did you see the du preez brothers play??? Think you being a bit harsh on Johan Meyer. How can you perform in a game with a team on the backfoot and defending for most of the game then playing out of possion(lock) for 20min or so. Johan deserves another chance. He is a good player and performed well for the Sharks u21s last year. Maybe give the du preez brothers a chance at u21 level 1st.

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.09.14 18:41:51 by georgie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    The DOR has a proven track record. The player has a bad attitude. Much better option would be to work 10 times harder and let your rugby make your case.

    For the fans, I suggest some patience. Unless you guys are perfectly happy with what you had before. A slight slump, is to be expected when a new culture is introduced.

    The only real worrisome aspect is the controversy that seems always to boil near the person. Strong personalities can be an asset, disruptive personalities never.

    One starts to wonder who is really in charge?

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.09.14 19:37:29 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 38) :
    Wise words!

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.09.14 20:11:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • tighthead is suffering because there is no consistancy at 4 or 5. as with 7 who is being drawn into a defensive role because we have no crunching 4 to dominate the rucks. the backs are getting back foot ball so fred is lying deeper so jordaan is going to look poor. odwa has less space and looks slow. sp is just poor…

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.09.14 20:28:04 by byron Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 38) : spot on ,leaderless and directionless

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.09.14 20:37:01 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 36) : I don’t get the fascination with Swiel. he was fair in the warm up game against Saracens, but really hasn’t shown anything to justify the hype. He was mediocre the last match I saw him lay vs. Cheetahs u/21, but then to be fair the whole u/21 team was mediocre.

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.09.14 08:53:34 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 42) : Sharks will just sign all those Cheetahs u21s… ;)

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.09.14 09:15:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 42) : De Wet – that new flyhalf of yours look very promising :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.09.14 09:22:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I had kinda hoped that with the exit of Strauelli the Sharks fascination with Grey College over hyphed mercenaries would tail off.
    These kids are professionally signed in the 7th grade and are already pumped up egotistical prima donnas before they reach matric.They come with plenty of talent but a lot more attitude, and worship money more than anything else.
    While good home grown Natal talent is ignored and forced to go else where to develop.
    Paul Jordan is just another of them.Would much prefer to see the Maritzburgh grown Kriel twins in his space.

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.09.14 10:53:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : I presume you know these Grey guys personally (Jordaan included) to say as fact that that is how they are. Conversely I must assume that money played no part in the Kriel twins leaving for the Bulls, which would mean that that is where they want to be and then no matter how much money the Sharks threw at them they would still have gone to the Bulls anyway.

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.09.14 11:09:36 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 46) : Kriels were signed and sealed for the Bulls by the age of 15 already. And yes, money was a big factor. The kids lost their dad early on and the Bulls offered the mom a level of financial security that she felt was important.

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.09.14 11:22:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : Welcome to Utopia! Instead of sprouting drivel, you should pore over the Sharks history and wonder where Sharks rugby would have been without the Grey boys you so lament.

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.09.14 11:35:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Yes, that was the point Im trying to get across – money will always be a huge factor, whether the player is from your home union or from another union.

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.09.14 11:41:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 49) : Welcome to the world of professional sport

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.09.14 11:45:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I kinda like to think of where the Sharks would be if we had concentrated on guys like Brad Barrett,,Stevens who came back, Ross Cronje,Warren Whitley,Pat Cilliers,Michael Rhodes,all players who start regularly for other provinces.
    How much dissent that has been caused in the Natal ranks, by the combined egos,of the Dup brothers,Ruan Pienaar,Frans Steyn,going back to Ollie le Roux.
    @KingCheetah (Comment 48) :
    I never realised that this was your site and you had sole rights to what constitutes drivel.

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.09.14 11:51:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : It all depends on where do you think professional sport should start,in grade 7 or after school.
    We are one step away from it moving into primary school.
    With it comes all the unfair advantages that go with the money game,so its steroids for standard 3′s.

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.09.14 11:58:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 52) : When do u start reading and writing in order to follow a professional career in commerce? Its a reality that a lot of kids will not make it in commerce etc so sport is their only route…well that or brick laying etc. We want all the benefits of professionalism but arent happy with the side effects. Kids will always be pushed whether int eh classroom or sports field. if you saying Unions must stop poaching and paying youngsters then so must the likes of our accounting auditing firms etc. Rightly or wrongly its the way the world is

  • Comment 53, posted at 02.09.14 12:22:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • There is absolutely no evidence that children exposed to a professional sporting environment make better adult sportsmen than those that don’t.
    The opposite is often true where kids are not allowed to be children but are burdened with parents desires at an early age.
    Friend I have spent many years on the side of school fields watching parents desperately trying to overcome their own inadequacies through their children.
    And so many of them are only to willing to feed all kinds of shit to those kids to achieve their dreams.
    Profesionalism and child hood do not mix ,they are in fact opposites,

  • Comment 54, posted at 02.09.14 12:37:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 54) : Yes a lot of parents live through their kids but unfortunately those kids are never going to make it. However, its not true that professionalism doesnt benefit kids in sport these days. The number of kids just out their teens playing professionally means opportunities are there from a young age. So yes kids can sit and play in the sand pit and watch their friends play on tv or they can join them. There will always be misguided parents but thats far in the minority the longer we go into professionalism. Kids that dont hav a solid base are never going to make it…but neither are those the play fun and games till they 20

  • Comment 55, posted at 02.09.14 12:47:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 51) : Not sole rights, also didn’t know it is your site. Just the fact that the Sharks have had Grey boys that played great rugby for the Sharks in years gone by that you are now denigrating.

  • Comment 56, posted at 02.09.14 14:02:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Rest my case,I see more and more washed up rugby players at 22 these days,guys whose careers are cut short from the steroid fallout that they have been taking since puberty.
    These kids have been fed dangerous performance enhancing shit by coaches and in many cases with their parents blessing.After awhile their bodies rebel against the artificial stuff in the only way they can by breaking down.
    Goosen was found guilty and banned as a school boy,today he can’t play two games without falling apart at the seams.
    What my point is is that if professionalism means winning is the only thing that the game is about,it is preferable to me that it is left out of schools

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.09.14 14:45:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 57) : Gee you should get your facts sorted before making such baseless stories up. Do you even know what substance Goosen was banned for. And can you in all honestly try and convince us that the knee injuries and shoulder injuries he suffered have relevance to that! Me thinks you are being sensationalist to try prove a perception you have, and sell it as facts! Wether he had steroids or not would not have prevented those injuries!!

  • Comment 58, posted at 02.09.14 14:58:25 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 58) : And you can’t count jack spratt!! he played 8 consecutive super 15 games before getting injured, and because of his talent got rushed back, without the benefit of a few games to get match fit! If you want to apportion blame, blame the coaches that rushed him onto the international arena, even though he had hardly played two halves of CC action after being injured for a few months.

  • Comment 59, posted at 02.09.14 15:00:47 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 59)
    What matters is that he was banned for cheating as a schoolboy,taking a performance enhancing substance,but what am I arguing with you for you probably read It’s all about the bike every night and think Lance was set up.
    The reason that these substances are banned is because of the long term damage that they cause,they are lethal in the long run,even when taken by adults.
    When you start taking them at 12,13,long term is unfortunately 22 .

  • Comment 60, posted at 02.09.14 15:19:37 by The hound Reply
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  • Some of the substances have been taken off, simply because they have been found to be in stupid things like cough mixture. I am speaking under correction, but I am pretty sure the substance that Goosen was banned for was taken off that list for precisely that reason. No proven enhancement, and because it is common place in many common cold treatments.

  • Comment 61, posted at 02.09.14 15:30:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Yeah and Bill Clinton never had sex with that woman.

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.09.14 16:23:25 by The hound Reply
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  • Interesting debate! I’d love to see more actual facts regarding the points raised. My view on one of the aspects is this:
    1. In anything in life, the more “professional” the approach to something the better. Being more professional in school rugby has, in general, had many benefits in the quality of coaching, the opportunities to youngsters, the general level of skill, etc.
    2. What people make of a professional setup can clearly often be negative. Results above everything, parents pushing their kids in an unhealthy manner, the use of illegal performance enhancing substances and so on are not good things.
    3. I don’t think the system can be unmade. Professionalism in sport (even reaching back into our schools) simply cannot be undone. It’s kind of like recognising that TV or internet isn’t all good, but also recognising that it will not go away.
    4. For me it is therefore important to, firstly, work with the people in the system: there needs to be training, equipping, working consciously with parents, children, coaches, schools, etc. to help them to recognise dangers, be more responsible, etc.
    5. Secondly, the system must be fine tuned so that it makes the problematic areas less likely to occur: strict policies on matters like drug abuse, ethical conduct by rugby unions, schools, parents, etc. should be in place as control measures.
    I think some real research should be done to establish real facts and then base decisions to improve the system on that. Does anyone know if such research actually exists? Maybe I should research that and write an article…

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.09.14 17:03:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 63) : please do as it will debunck a lot of myth and misconception,also find out if steroids properly taken under supervision of a doctor are harmfull or not

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.09.14 23:26:39 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 64) : I’ve started with a bit of research…scary to see how little research there actually is out there about this stuff, even in professional circles…but have already found some interesting stuff and will keep working at it…this will take some time, though!

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.09.14 10:04:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 64) : @pastorshark (Comment 65) : in the long term it is harmfull. Just look at some old bodybuilders and you will see.

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.09.14 10:19:43 by JD Reply
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  • Start researching where steroids were first synthesised and used,and you ‘ll find they came out of Nazi Germany,and were the products of the good doctors in the concentration camps and used to give the storm troopers courage.
    Anyone doing controlled steroid research on 12 and 13 year olds would be guilty of a serious crime.
    Steroids even if they were by some miracle safe are an unfair temporary advantage, and you can wrap it up any way you like,Ben Johnson,Lance Armstrong,are cheats,so is any player found guilty of using a banned substance,and they should face a life time ban.
    God help the day that professionalism means no ethics

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.09.14 10:27:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 67) : :mrgreen: I’m not planning to do any research on 12 and 13 year olds! What is shocking to me, is how little research there is even regarding the use of performance-enhancing drugs at schools – levels, causes, impact and so on. While the phenomenon is probably relatively new, it does seem to be a topic even most rugby unions and schools are shying away from. A study has been commissioned by the RFU in England – it is supposed to take 3 years and has only been going for 1…should be interesting to see those results. Anyway, I will do my research, speak to a few professional acquaintances and see what I come up with…

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.09.14 10:45:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 67) : yes any band substance is band for a reason and not just because someone did not like the colour. If any band substance is given to any youngsters the coach and everyone involved should be band for live from coaching and they should be charged with child abuse!!!!!

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.09.14 10:46:29 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 67) : I am totally with you on the unfair advantage, ban, ethics issue!

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.09.14 10:46:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 65) : I’m sure it will take a long while and that you going to traverse paths some have not gone or don’t want to but please do as I think you have more insight to begin with

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.09.14 10:47:27 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 66) : most of them where do it yourself cases no doctor involvement

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.09.14 10:50:09 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 69) : I am totally with you, hence my comment earlier about working with people (players, parents and coaches) to equip them with information and teach them how to act responsibly. What I have been talking about is not to find ways to use drugs safely…but to improve the system of professional sport at school level based on actual facts so that we have a system that is ethical and healthy, while it promotes a sport that we love…

  • Comment 73, posted at 03.09.14 10:52:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I think the issue here is not the merit or demerits of steroids they have been around for decades,But largely used by adults.
    The issue is not even that most high schools are rife with steroid abuse, the issue is that it is now spreading to primary schools.
    There are vey few Marcel Coetzee and Steven Lewies around ,kids who made it into the senior ranks from unfashionable rugby schools,most of the others came from a elite core of high schools.
    Those schools now scout primary schools for candidates,kids under12.
    This is done very professionally and even if money doesn’t chance hands,opportunity does.
    Those under12 are being encouraged to use any means possible to make it into that high school.
    The sad thing is so many of those kids who make it stop growing and are immediately discarded.

  • Comment 74, posted at 03.09.14 12:08:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 73) : about 10 years ago just when the “wonder supplement” kreatin was “discovered” I spoke to a phisio with regards to all the supplements and stuff and her response was that when building a muscle it takes time to build a strong solid muscle and that when building a muscle to quickly it may cause the centre of the muscle to be weak and even if it looks strong it is actually weak and if put under strain it would break and tear. Today I just wonder how may of the youngsters that get injured is a cause of building muscles to quickly to improve their chances of being selected for school and provincial first teams?!?!?!

  • Comment 75, posted at 03.09.14 16:13:47 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 74) : yes I think you are spot on in your assessment and it’s a real pity. I do think that SA must adopt a system of age group rugby with a weight limit to stop school coaches from buying big kids to win game and force them to start building skills instead.

  • Comment 76, posted at 03.09.14 16:17:32 by JD Reply
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