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Wanted: a plan, some progress and a whole heap more pride


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 9 Sep 2014 at 09:55
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I wrote an article last week, after the unexpected loss to the Pumas, calling for calm and patience given the situation the Sharks find themselves in.

I pointed out that the team had lost a huge amount of experience (for reasons that still need to be explained) and that these enforced changes, both at a playing and coaching level, needed some time to bed down. The hope was that we would see improvement as these new players and combinations continued to find each other and we all looked forward to a far stronger showing against Griquas. After all, Griquas hadn’t won yet and there was surely no way we could lose to them at home, right?

A week later and we’re all trying to come to terms with another loss. Sure, we lost to Griquas at home last year too, but the situation then was a little different, given that the Sharks had quite literally come together under a completely new coaching team just two weeks before. We’re now a full year into the “brave new world” that was promised when John Smit swept into the CEO’s office and his penchant for changing head coach for each new competition aside, I think we as fans should by now have a legitimate expectation of a measurable level of improvement.

It’s safe to say that evidence of said improvement is not forthcoming. Saturday’s performance against Griquas did not live up to the proud standard against which we hold our team; a standard based on recent success, including seven successive top-two finishes in the Currie Cup, amongst other factors. While it is true that the referee penalised the Sharks unfairly on a fair few occasions (I’ve already been through an analysis of why I feel ALL of the scrum penalties were wrong), we cannot ever accept refereeing inadequacies as a reason for losing a home game to a Currie Cup minnow.

So what went wrong? If we look at the match stats, we see the Sharks enjoyed 60% possession and were only forced to make 59 tackles (with a 92% success rate). So it’s hardly like the team was constantly on the back foot, under the cosh due to great attacking pressure from Griquas. If anything, the reason the Sharks didn’t win – far more so than anything either the referee or the opposition did – was because they quite simply lacked any sign of a plan with ball in hand. There was zero creativity, accuracy or even real commitment on attack, which ultimately resulted in long periods of stagnation, which turned a game that should never have been a contest into a very tight one indeed.

I’ve already said I’m not going to focus on individuals and individual errors this week – those players who are more guilty than others know who they are – but what’s wrong with the Sharks at the moment seems to be a team problem. I’m honestly hoping that the coaching staff and team leadership are able to look past the “headline” numbers (such as scrum penalties) and rather focus on the deeper issues – I’m going to give them a chance to do just that before being more vocal in my criticism.

Se what do we expect? This is the question I asked last week. This week I will spell out what we expect – and deserve – to see against Free State.

We want to see a plan. Even if it’s not a plan we necessarily agree with, we want to see some evidence that the team knows what they are trying to do, the majority of the time they have the ball. If the plan is to play for territory, then we want to see good execution on those kicks. If the plan is to keep ball in hand, then we want to see fast ruck ball, speedy and accurate service from the base and sensible alignment from the backs.

We want to see progress. What does that mean? It simply means being incrementally better than we were last week. It means fewer knocks, it means fewer (controllable) penalties, it means more of the kicks that are made being good kicks. It might not be a lot to ask at this stage, but it’s the exact opposite of what we’ve seen all season so far.

Above all, we want to see pride. We want a firm commitment from all involved at the Sharks that they will NEVER AGAIN leave us fans feeling the way we did on Saturday night. You play the game for us, after all and we deserve better.



64 Comments

  • The Pumas loss was unexpected? :shock:

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.09.14 10:06:05 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Exactly my sentiments.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.09.14 10:06:18 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Rob my biggest problem is the fact that we let experience leave the union, and we replaced them with experience from other clubs who have actually no interest in Sharks rugby but their final pay cheque.

    What happened to our DoR sorting out our “terrible” systems Plum and Oom rudi created? wait! what am I seeing? did those systems actually work?
    To say the least I dont see the sharks being much of a union after WC2015 when we have lost some big name players to other clubs.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.09.14 10:06:24 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Our Academy is also in shatters since we lost Hans Scriba.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.09.14 10:09:30 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Is Swys De Bruin still around? who is he coaching now?

    Edit: oh yes he joined the Lions…
    My point is we lost some serious good coaches the past two years. Why? what happened to those systems to bring through the coaches who were actually any good?

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.09.14 10:12:09 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 5) : all questions that need to be answered. All questions that will start to be asked if we don’t see the required results.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.09.14 10:16:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good points Bertie!

    It’s not too late lads – stand up and be counted – as a team.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.09.14 10:40:57 by Big Fish Reply
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  • One request from me though – that the plan is tilted more to the attacking side.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.09.14 10:46:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 8) : well, that’s what they said they were going to do….

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.09.14 10:47:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • What we really want to see is some positive support for the team and the system.
    The range of hatred for the coaching staff and management here is quite alarming.
    Correct me but is this not the same team that had the only respectable finish out of any S.A. team in the super competition.
    This team is guilty of losing 2 matches that’s all.l have seen this all too often the fair weather supporters.
    Real suporters are the ones who get behind the team in the bad times,wankers are the ones on front of the bus in the good times.
    Sorry but reading these pages I see a helluva lot of wankers.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.09.14 10:49:28 by The hound Reply
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  • The Sharks have not played well in any CC game this year. So what they are currently doing is not working. We have heard stories from coaches about a change in game plan taking time and they looking to play more with ball in hand. Well im not a pro coach but step 1 of playing with ball in hand is to practise your handling and step 2 would be practising rucking to ensue u keep the ball. I cannot see any evidence of either step 1 or 2…so what are they actually doing? Playing gaining grounds and drinking coffee?

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.09.14 10:49:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Let us put a few things in perspective:

    1. Ex-players do not always make good coaches or administrators. We’ve seen it time and time again.
    2. Sometimes when a player or coach wins a trophy/tournament it is sometimes just fortuitous and does not mean they are any better than the alternatives.
    3. The Sharks now have a CEO with absolutely zero experience, apart from on-field experience, now plying his trade under the coach he worked most with in his career.

    None of this is unexpected – this is the playbook that both White and Smit have used over the last 10 years. That’s not going to change now.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.09.14 11:16:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Further to the above, it seems the Brendan Venter playbook has gone out of the window, to be replaced by the JW school of rugby.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.09.14 11:17:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • We must also be realistic in our expectations.

    The era of keeping a loose trio squad of Kanko, Alberts, Daniel, Botes, Coetzee and Deysel is over. No South African team can afford this. The fact that we actually manage to keep players like JP, Kanko, Steyn in the super rugby squad is actually a success for the team. A big name signing is nice – but thats for super rugby. Assuming its a excellent player they would be in the bok squad or itching for a Japan contract and therefore probably not be in the Currie Cup anyway.

    The 2 factors for the current failures are quite simple:

    1. We’re playing with a Vodacom Cup squad. And we know from our vodacom cup history that a squad of that nature is not very good in comparison to even a team like Griquas. Some of our players are not very good. Some of the young players who we thought would be good aren’t yet (or may not be ever).

    2. Tied to the above, our gameplan is misplaced. We dont get powerful go forward ball through our forwards because we dont have those players in our squad (aside from TdT). That being said we havent been particularly dominated in that regard either. Its simply not enough to win games though. We have to play off more than 9 and 10. Players are capable (remember the great try against the stormers where Jordaan threw a great inside ball to TC). We also must acknowledge that our 9/10 axis arent creating anything; merely passing down the line. And their tactical kicking is weak. No easy answers here. We dont have the personnel.

    Finally some perspective. 2 months ago our super rugby team (most of who return next year) put 20 points past the exact same Province team at Newlands that is running away with the Currie Cup atm – the competition is super weak.

    Time to stress is not yet. Lets see if a few youngsters start coming through a’la TdT. That and semi-final would be a successful season.

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.09.14 11:18:30 by YoniBass Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 12) :
    So the are Stormers doing well because of their coaches who are all ex players ,or because of their highly experienced C.E. O. Wakefield,within al his rugby experience ,on and off the field
    Brendan Venter is also an ex player,but is it, his skills as a doctor which make him such a good coach.
    The Sharks have some of the best business men in S.A on their board,so please man spread your anti Shark bile elsewhere.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.09.14 11:54:12 by The hound Reply
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  • Nice article Rob! I think we all prefer to see the Sharks win but I’d settle for just some pride to start out with. A team playing with pride is a team that’s heading somewhere. I think that may be the biggest current concern amongst supporters, even when we win things seem a bit aimless.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.09.14 11:58:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 12) : No no, good ex-players don’t always make good coaches or admin guys.

    Let’s face it, Smit was always a way better captain than hooker…

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.09.14 12:09:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @YoniBass (Comment 14) : What you say has merit but others would say that scraping into a very watered down Currie Cup semi final, after winning the same competition a year earlier, is no success at all.
    Actually that reminds me of a Bob Dylan number,..” She knows there’s no success like failure. And that failure’s no success at all”

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.09.14 12:10:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 18) : and another one.

    “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.09.14 12:20:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 18) : You do realise that you have just turned this into another music thread :|

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.09.14 12:20:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 12) : “The Sharks now have a CEO now plying his trade under the coach he worked most with in his career.”

    I assume that little Freudian slip was intentional? :roll:

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.09.14 12:21:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 10) : losing two games is not so much the problem, the problem is that the team is regressing. That is the issue, but according to you, we must just keep our opinions and be happy with the mediocrity that is setting in at an alarming rate. Come saterday I will again support my team win or lose, but you bet your ass that come monday i am gonna criticize their faults again.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.09.14 12:38:47 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 18) : Squads / Teams have cycles. The careers of the players that made up the team the Dick Muir built from 06 onwards are now coming to an end with the sharks. This is a natural cycle.

    We also cant retain massive squads anymore. Which means our second team is not going to be great when boks are away and others are in Japan

    Analysing our starting XV for Super Rugby next year (15. ? 14. JP 13 Sithole/Jordaan 12. Fran. 11. Mvovo 10. Pat 9. Reinach 8. Kanko 7. Willem 6. Marcell 5. Lewies 4. Psdt 3. Jannie/Lourens 2. Bis 1. Beast/Tdt – we are pretty solid. It would be good for some more youngsters to come through to account for injuries and we are lacking quality depth in key positions like scrumhalf, flyhalf and 7 Flank as well as not so keys positions like Fullback. But WHICH SA team doesnt have this issue?

    Also not to nitpick about last year but we won because our boks were back. We got trounced by WP in the run in to the final. By the salivating over Brenden Venter one may forget we lost to Griquas and Province twice last year. He also btw brought in his fair share of journey men (see: Marco Wentzel)

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.09.14 12:39:21 by YoniBass Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 22) :
    According to you we should fire the coach,ceo and captain,thats kinda like me put the same kind of words into your mouth that you are putting into mine.
    All I am saying it’s not the end of the world yet,yes we lost to the Pumas and got cheated out of a victory against the Griquas,but last time I looked Pumas were no2 on the log.
    Wait till it gets serious before we advance on Kings park with pitch forks to burn John,Jake and Brad on the bonfire.
    Wait at least till we lose 3 games

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.09.14 12:50:34 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 13) : It doesn’t seem, that’s exactly what happened.
    I remember so well the talk about creating a culture like the blue bulls have and that everyone will play for each other, that its a lifestyle thing the sharks needed and that everyone needed and and and…. BV did create something to that extend, and you could see the players actually played for each other. But since then everyone just seems to have moved on to their own boats and do what ever the hell they like.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.09.14 12:54:12 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : So you are saying wait for next week? We going to Bloem this weekend haha

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.09.14 12:56:33 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 25) : The other comments we’ve read concerning players not getting on with Jake is also upsetting and cause for concern eg. Marco Wentzel being on holiday, Edwin Hewitt being discarded etc.

    My biggest gripes are the overplaying of Beast, Bissie and Jannie and the non-playing of Wian Herbst. How does a guy who makes it into a Bok Training Camp not even make the Super Rugby Squad the next year??? :evil: :???: :?:

    We should have been rotating Jannie, Wian and Lourens instead of playing Jannie into the ground and discarding Wian!

    Our gameplan is also flawed….kick, kick, bloody kick!! Formulate a gameplan around your players, don’t try to force a square peg into a round hole!!!!

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.09.14 13:03:22 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) :

    Dude, you need to learn how to read. And by that I mean you need to comprehend the words that have been written and not what you think they say.

    Nowherein my post did i attempt a comparison with the Stormers and nowhere did i say all ex-players made bad adminstrators/coaches. In fact I said NOT ALL make good adminstrators/coaches.

    As for the businessmen on the Sharks board – I dont see the relevance to my post or how business relates to the topic at hand.

    That said – id be surprised if you even name those who sit on the board.
    I’m sure a google search will reveal the like of Saad and Rosenberg, but can you name the others?

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.09.14 13:08:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 27) :

    I think you’ll find the players are picked around Jake’s gameplan.

    Again, why the surprise? This is how JW plays rugby. Did you expect him to suddenly turn into Harry Viljoen?

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.09.14 13:10:03 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 27) :

    Do you remember how JAke played VM, BB, MS, SB et into the ground in 05 to 07? Or PErcy?

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.09.14 13:15:19 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : Dude, nowhere did I claim that coaches etc needs to be fired, what I am saying though is that the players need to be held accountable for what they do on the field. There is no excuse for this passionless displays that we have seen thus far. And no amount of coaching etc will help until the players themselves decide that they want to win and want to win the competition. All we are asking for is passion by them.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.09.14 13:36:57 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 30) : Yeah, I remember. It frustrated me then and it frustrates me now. We could have a talent pool of 40-45 players and instead we crock our frontrunners and then have to rely on guys with few caps.

    Malherbe, Adriaanse and Herbst should all have about 10 caps each and Jannie should be preserved for the importnant games. Why does he have to play against Scotland and why must he play every single Super Rugby game. The Chiefs won two years in a row while employing a rotation policy.

    It’s that rotation policy which kept their players fresh and ensured competition for places within the match-day 23!

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.09.14 13:39:11 by ChrisS Reply
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  • 492069″>VinChainSaw (Comment 30) : 3. The Sharks now have a CEO with absolutely zero experience, apart from on-field experience, now plying his trade under the coach he worked most with in his career.
    -As for the businessmen on the Sharks board – I dont see the relevance to my post or how business relates to the topic at hand.
    You are a very confused boy.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.09.14 14:05:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 33) :

    The only confusing thing here is your incoherent ramblings old chap.

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.09.14 16:09:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 31) :

    You’re wasting you time fella. You’ll say 1+1=2 and the Hound will say its 7pm. There’s a party fro one in that dude’s head and we’re not invited.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.09.14 16:13:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 32) :

    Agreed Chris.

    Jake was all liek “there’s no repalcement for Victor and Bakkies”. No replacement for Schalk. No repalcement for Smit.
    Fast forward a season or two and PSdD, LdJ and EE have stepped up into the lock role, Flouw proved a like-for-like replacement for Schalk, Strauss has proved an able substitute for Smit and all sorts of youngsters are sticking up their hands.

    But they can only stick up thier hands if theyre afforded the chance in big games.

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.09.14 16:16:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 32) :

    The worst i saw was when we loaded our side against the BaaBaas. Or the World XV or whatever they called themsevles.

    How kak scared do you need to be to not rest your front-line players for an exhibition game?

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.09.14 16:19:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 37) :Wow you are are an embarrassment if that is all you can come up with.
    You make an insulting claim about the Sharks being run by a C.E.O with no experience,a huge insult,then deny it.
    Man you have a huge ego.IT’S WRITTEN ON THE PAGE.
    You must get beaten up a lot,or are you only brave behind a typewriter.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.09.14 16:41:01 by The hound Reply
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  • The lack of purpose, drive, urgency and hunger has been absent all year. I think the guys are very unhappy. Last year’s CC was an all time high for me.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.09.14 16:46:41 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 38) :

    Its like trying to talk to a 5 yearold.

    How is it possible that you can have so little comprehension? Did you not go to school? Or perhaps you stopped at Jack and Jill?

    At no point did i backtrack on the fact that Smit had no CEO expeirence – it was you who tried to segway that into the Stormers and other experienced business people.
    All i said was i didnt get the relevance. CEO running the rugby matters – John Smit has no experience in that. WTF that has to do with businesspeople on the board is anybody’s guess. At no point did i refer to the economics or the financial standing of the union. That was all you.

    I get the idea you are either (1) baiting me or (ii) too goddam stupid to use the internet.

    I made a blanket statement about Smit not having any CEO experience amd Jake doing what Jake does. You made the connection to the Stormers, me having a grudge against the Sharks (I dont) and business people on the Sharks board. Again, all you.

    It’s telling that you still haven’t mentioned one single director of Sharks rugby. Yet you feel qualified to spout all sorts of BS like the know-it-all you’re obviously not.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.09.14 17:18:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : supporting the Sharks is like “Heartbreak Hotel”

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.09.14 17:29:15 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) :

    Will you please inform us as to the experience (or qualifications) John Smit has to be a CEO.

    Or if you have any inside info, what the reasoning, the rationale or the plan was with the move. To me, it is a very intriguing issue. Clarity would be great.

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.09.14 19:13:32 by fyndraai Reply
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  • the last time i looked a team contracter 25-35 odd players and played them for the majority of the season. its called “professional sport” making assumptions about coaches and selections ignores the wider influences that affect team selections such as match fees.

    yes the sharks might be playing poorly. but the sharks have lost several players to tge springboks and more to long term injuries. added to that a new coach means a change in personal many overseas. we have seen what 10 or more players moving on just from the vodacom squad. why because players want game time. and with the pumas the kings and pumas in this year our vodacom squad has moved on.

    before you critisize the coach take note of the changes taking place. it takes time. hell meyer came last in his first super season and it took 3 or 4 years before the bulls showed signs of what was being built

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.09.14 19:42:11 by byron Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 16) : Sentiments shared…

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.09.14 22:43:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Nice article Rob…

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.09.14 22:56:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I’d add one more thing that I’d like to see: a few more young players given chances…

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.09.14 22:58:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Nice one Rob. Must say after Saturday I don’t know if I’m going to bother to watch the game on Saturday? !?! It’s been may years since I missed a Sharks game on purpose but at the moment it’s like watching a car crash over and over again. Week in and week out the same players mekes the same mistakes and is still picked to play, nothing changes except the colour of the opposition’s jerseys!?!?!?!?!

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.09.14 00:12:56 by JD Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 40) : it’s spelled “segue” :)

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.09.14 00:41:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Love the article especially the 3 main points at the end. We are not bad losers or fair weather supporters like it is being claimed. We are so bloody passionate that it hurts so badly – thats all :mrgreen:
    @JD (Comment 47) : Yeah Im also wondering if I should watch seeing that wee playing the cheetahs in Bloem nogal – eish..

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.09.14 08:55:43 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 49) : was planing to go and watch the game in Bloem but after Saturday if I watch the game it will only be on tv.

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.09.14 11:39:26 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 50) : Lol if we were in better form – Bloem wasnt a bad idea but under current conditions its better you spare yourself the drive ;-)

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.09.14 12:07:49 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 40) :
    I feel I need to reply to this low life.
    At no stage can a statement that starts with let’s put things into perspective ever be construed as a blanket statement.It is a statement of intent.
    followed by;. The Sharks now have a CEO with absolutely zero experience, apart from on-field experience, now plying his trade under the coach he worked most with in his care.
    You can only be implying that the on field performance is the result of the boardroom inexperience of John Smit.
    To which I countered that his inexperience ,which I must presume you base on a business perspective is more than made up for by some of the best business brains in South Africa.
    I unlike you little man with a big chip on your shoulder have no need to google who those people are,surprising enough,I have personal experience of dealing with that board.
    You then go on to dismiss both Jake and John’s winning of the world cup as absolutely no grounds for them being the best people qualified to do their jobs.
    Both statements apart from being crap are tinged with bitterness.
    winning a World cup as a coach or a captain are the best credentials you could ever have,it says that you have won the best there is.
    You strike me as an exceptionally nasty individual who thinks he can sprout what he likes from behind a mask without fear of contradiction.
    Sorry but I have a lot of respect for John Smit and won’t sit back and let an imbecile like you assassinate him

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.09.14 12:19:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 52) : mate, I need you to calm down please. You are attacking a very well-respected poster who has been with us from the start, on the flimsiest of pretexts.

    Agree to disagree and move on, because I won’t tolerate personal attacks.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.09.14 12:35:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 42) :
    What experience do you need to be a C.E.O. of a rugby union.
    Brian van Zyl,had no business experience, neither did Craig Jameson.
    I would presume you need to be an experienced rugby player, a leader of men,able to understand how to get the best out of the players who are your business
    Louis Luyt was violently against professional rugby and did everything in his power to stop it.
    When the rugby captains ambushed the Unions after the 95 World Cup,the power began to shift from the businessmen to the players.
    The players started to control their own destiny,and make the game a more favourable place for players.
    John’s appointment as C.E.O. is the next stage in the player’s power play,he is there to make the union as attractive a place as possible for the players to want to ply their trade.
    It has everything to do with putting in place and maintaining the systems from a player’s perspective.
    I cannot for the life of me see why this is a negative thing.

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.09.14 12:38:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) :
    Maybe I should move on,read the thread and see where the personal attacks are coming from.
    Cheers my arguments are logical,but this is your site and you pick your buddies,but two things on my way out when you lie down with dogs don’t complain when you get fleas.
    And to the turd hiding behind Lucky’s face,to piss in the long grass you need to be a big dog,and you my friend are yorkie

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.09.14 12:47:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : I think we’re coming to the end of season 4 here, if you get my drift.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.09.14 12:58:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) :

    Lol.
    Come call me a turd to my face.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.09.14 15:18:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 57) : ok, seriously. Once I pour the water, you’re meant to let the fire die down!

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.09.14 15:48:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 54) :

    It’s backwards to think that pro-rugby is all about the players. Amateur sport is all about the players. Pro-sport is a business where it’s all about the fans (customers). Pro-players may be highly skilled talent but they are ultimately workers. In the business world of management, workers and customers, the players are the workers and a great worker does not automatically or instantly make a great manager.
    At least some years of training and experience in the specifics of management and business is essential.

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.09.14 02:53:09 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Rob the heading mention pride. That is what our culture should start with and we seem to lack.
    A lot was said in calling for the younger players to get cc time and now it happens but at the cost of losing older heads.
    It is clear that we are going nowhere with the current way our DOR sees our union’s game strategy and that could lead to financial meltdown quickly which leads to player exodus etc.
    We seriously need to invest in talent to change our seasons around or the staduim will start showing the loss in revenue. Nobody wants to buy the new jersey of a losing team. Did we invest in the wrong people?

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.09.14 03:02:54 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : @robdylan (Comment 56) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 57) : Well, that escalated quickly…

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.09.14 05:32:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 59) :
    With professional sport,I would say the players are entertainers rather than workers.
    Profesional sport is entertainment,and if you don’t constantly produce an entertaining spectacle you will loose your audience.
    Managing the quality of that performance is what the C.E.O. ‘s job is all about.
    As to the last part of your statement,the three best business men of the last three decades,had absolutely no training or experience of the formal specifics of business or management when they took control.I refer to Steve Jobs,Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerbergh
    .Before I get jumped on here no I am not comparing John to them ,merely stating that experience is not the only prerequisite for a good C.E.O.,And if Steven and Terry agree thats good enough for me.

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.09.14 11:46:04 by The hound Reply
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  • Rob, I found the following on IOL regarding Jake’s work as DOR behind the scenes:

    http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/jake-looking-after-kzn-rugby-1.1749515#.VBGAR_mSyCo

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.09.14 13:00:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : What I do like is that he mentions indiviualized training programs for the off-season involving skills, speed and strength.

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.09.14 13:13:45 by Bokhoring Reply
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