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Lions score 50 as Sharks falter in Johannesburg


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Lions, Original Content, Sharks on 18 Oct 2014 at 16:26
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The Golden Lions have booked their place in the Currie Cup final, eclipsing the Sharks with an overwhelming 50-20 victory in Johannesburg.

Marnitz Boshoff, who had an uncharacteristically wayward day with the boot, opened the scoring via a penalty early on, which was finally matched by Lionel Cronje as the match entered its tenth minute. By that stage already, it was clear that the Lions intended to play out the game at a furious pace and already cracks were starting to show for the Sharks, who battled to adapt their defensive technique to the great supporting lines and offloads that are the hallmark of the Lions’ attacking game.

The damn wall broke immediately after Cronje had leveled matters at 3-all, with Sharks discard Howard Mnisi making a mockery of the union’s decision not to offer him a senior contract. His grubber into space behind a flat Sharks line netted him the simplest of tries; Boshoff missed the conversion, but added another penalty soon afterwards to see his side lead 11-3. A yellow card to Sharks flanker Etienne Oosthuizen for a spear tackle followed, yet bizarrely, the visitors managed to actually keep their line intact during the time he was off, with Kyle Cooper in particular responsible for some remarkable turnover penalties with the Lions pressing hard on attack. The writing was on the wall all the same, though, with the Lions enjoying their eponymous share of possession and handing their visitors a real lesson at scrum time and at the breakdown. What little ball the Sharks managed to eke out was either knocked on or kicked away in helter-skelter fashion.

It was just after Oosthuizen’s re-introduction that the Lions made their big move, as tries to Jaco Kriel and Ross Cronje in quick succession stretched their lead to 20 points. At 3-23 behind going into the shed, the platform for a disastrous defeat had been well laid and the Sharks were reeling.

Rugby remains a funny game, though and stung by Brad Macleod-Henderson’s half time haranguing, it was a more purposeful Sharks team that emerged after the break. With more emphasis on retaining possession, aided in no small part by an increasing error count on the Lions’ part as they tried to open the game up more, the Sharks came close to scoring, with Lwazi Mvovo knocking on with the tryline a-begging, before making good with a try a few minutes later. Cronje’s missed conversion was costly and the hoped-for resurgence appeared to fizzle out then, with no further troubling of the scorers even after Lions flanker Kwagga Smit’s sin-binning had them reduced to 14. In fact, it was the shots who scored next, with replacement hooker Akker van der Merwe rounding off a typically flowing move. Boshoff converted and added a penalty for good measure; at 8-33 behind, the Sharks fans had began to leave the stadium, despite there being a good 15 minutes remaining.

Those who did will have missed the purple patch; Tera Mtembu and SP Marais scored within minutes of each other, giving fans just the slightest sniff of a remarkable comeback. Reducing the deficit to 20-33 was as close as they were to come, alas as the tiring Lions found another gear and instead of the Sharks scoring twice in the final ten minutes, as would have been require, it was instead the Lions who added 17 unanswered points, including tries to Ruan Combrinck and captain Warren Whiteley.

The Lions will now play Western Province in next week’s Currie Cup final at Newlands, while the Sharks go back to Durban with their fins properly down.

Golden Lions (50): Tries Howard Mnisi, Jaco Kriel, Ross Cronje, Akker van der Merwe, Ruan Combrinck, Warren Whiteley. Conversions Marnitz Boshoff (4). Penalties Boshoff (4).
Sharks (20): Tries Lwazi Mvovo, Tera Mtembu, SP Marais. Conversion Fred Zeilinga. Penalty Lionel Cronje.



98 Comments

  • Sad result but we’ll done to the lions

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.10.14 16:31:43 by Jasongibb Reply
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  • Well done to the Lions….but there is some serious problems in the Sharks CC camp :(

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.10.14 16:33:50 by Nita Reply
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  • You know I was expecting a loss, but this was just shameful. Our game plan, a number of players and coaching staff need to go. Fast track Schram and the Du Preez brothers, offer the Kriels contracts, chop the deadwood and invest in forward thinking coaches lime Swys De Bruin. Time to stop tip toeing the fuck around success and dive in

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.10.14 16:34:54 by Talent Reply
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  • Oh dear, it was a case of boys against men. A very sad Sharks supporter writes this.

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.10.14 16:36:46 by DaveB Reply

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  • We were outplayed in pretty much every position.

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.10.14 16:38:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.10.14 16:39:33 by JarsonX Reply
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  • At least the team and the coaching staff knows there is plenty of hard work ahead before Super rugby starts.

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.10.14 16:41:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Sorry for laughing but what else can I do? I’m not gonna spoil my weekend by sulking. Well done to the boys for getting this far.

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.10.14 16:41:29 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 8) : Have to say I enjoyed watching this Lions team in action today. Excellent awareness of space and support on attack, off-loading, clever passing to put players into space.

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.10.14 16:45:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 9) : Same here. A pleasure to watch.

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.10.14 16:47:15 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 10) : Lions have changed their game probably starting with Mitchell. They have had their wipeouts, but have persisted and now is starting to reap the reward. Still have some way to go at super rugby level, but I reckon Ackermann and co is building something pretty decent.

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.10.14 16:51:43 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Congrats to the Lions, well done to the Sharks for making the semis. Hoping the Lions go on to take the CC!

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.10.14 16:54:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • “match report to follow”

    You hate yourself that much?…park this game in file 13, and let’s move on to SR 2015.

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.10.14 17:00:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 11) : Agree. I think if they can cut down on their error rate, which was pretty high today, they’ll be competitive in Super Rugby.

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.10.14 17:05:52 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 13) : I have to do it. It’s just the way I am.

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.10.14 17:13:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • but tonight is my birthday party.

    That comes first

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.10.14 17:13:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Your way of debriefing? :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.10.14 17:21:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : In that case “Viel Glück und viel Segen!”

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.10.14 17:25:30 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • The Sharks are not – and should never be – a team that has 50 points shipped against them. This result is disgraceful. There are obviously problems in Durban. The catalyst seems to have been that shocking and unexpected heavy home defeat by the Highlanders before our away tour this year.

    How different this team was when Venter handed over the baton at the end of last year.

    I hope this result (and the Currie Cup campaign as a whole including those hugely embarrassing losses to the Pumas and Griquas) puts to bed the suggestions that Brad McLeod-Who? is the right man to coach the Super 15 team next year…

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.10.14 17:30:49 by Feather Reply

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  • In recent times this is exactly how we were supposed to dominate rugby in SA. We were the far superior team, yet managed to loose on numerous times against no name lions and cheetahs.

    Well done lions, you showed us how to dominate and play when you are the favourites to win. Sharks must learn from you….

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.10.14 17:35:22 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • I am sorry but BMH needs to go. The way he acts in the box swearing like he does, I close my eyes each time they show this guy on tv.

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.10.14 18:13:47 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 3) : i agree. And get a real coach not a school coach. If we can not afford an international the at least Stonehouse for the cc and VC

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.10.14 18:32:57 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Well done Lions!

    Not great from the Sharks – but given the personnel and coaching losses/ changes since SR, I’m not too bummed.

    Hope we have a good pre-season and less injuries next year!

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.10.14 18:45:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 21) : I bet you’d just be the picture of serenity when your job is on the line, and you have to entrust your fate, and that of your family, in the hands of a group of very green employees… ;-)

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.10.14 19:04:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I’m not convinced by Mthembu or Esterhuizen. I think the latter should be groomed as an 8 and used how the All Blacks use Retalick. Mthembu’s game has definitely suffered under the pressure of captaincy.

    The Sharks’ coaching staff surely must have given Marias enough rope to hang himself by now.

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 24) : Agreed. The only time SA teams ever seem to play decent Rugby is when the coaches crack the whip, its sad.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.10.14 19:15:47 by Talent Reply
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  • Also I wonder about Du Toits readiness for senior Rugby and whether we are under appreciating someone like Dale Chadwick.

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.10.14 19:18:48 by Talent Reply
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  • Sharks beat Crusaders in the round robin phase of Super Rugby, then capitulated in the playoffs. Sharks beat Lions in the round robin phase of Currie Cup, then capitulated in the playoffs. The lesson here is that to beat the Sharks in playoffs, all you need is red in your team jersey :mrgreen:

    Seriously though, well done to the Lions players, coaching team and fans. You were deserving of the victory, and of a place in the final. Good luck for next week!

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.10.14 19:49:07 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 24) : Well true, but, go back and look when he used to be hiding behind the head coach. He acted exactly the same way. Its not a new thing. I remember him acting the same way behind BV and JW. Sad but true….. ;)

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.10.14 19:57:00 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 25) : Yes but I hate to say but some personnel hate it at the Sharks. Who it is exactly I don’t know but Plum was hard so was JW. So maybe the team or the personnel needs to grow some balls.

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.10.14 20:00:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 19) : For sure. BMH must continue as an assistant. Imagine how much he will grow under Mitchell? He did the business for the Lions’ coaching staff. The man is a student of the game and knows it so well.

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.10.14 20:52:47 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 30) : Nou praat jy….poef

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.10.14 21:08:56 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • My sentiments echo most of the comments here:
    Well done to the Lions… but when two of their tries come from a situation where a player evades five mis-tackles then you know that something is wrong in the Sharks camp.

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.10.14 21:22:35 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • The less said about the Sharks efforts this year the better. To the players I’d like to say thank ypu for always trying even if the results did not alway go our way. Rest ell and better luck next year!!!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.10.14 22:54:45 by JD Reply
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  • Hard luck guys . good game

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.10.14 00:56:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • This CC should have been about building up for 2015SR, instead, its now showing us things need to be torn down first. It is what 2014 should have been; time for fresh thinking and new blood. U21s had it tough, but some promising lads in U19, lets look at those lads pushing on next year!

    Some big losses in experience next SR (Deysel, Daniel, Botes) so we need real quality to come in. Think Frans will be on his way out. On that line of thinking, the Japan players (JP, Kanko) have been out of form for a while, I think Mtembu could push for first XV next year. JP will probably get a shot, with Chavhanga inconsistent and Ndungane getting older. Really need some young, lively back three players!

    Could also do with better front row depth. Jan is seriously on his last legs, and Tendai is on his way after 2015, could see Bismarck out too. TdT has made the transition somewhat easier.

    Need to hold onto some second rows as well! How many have we gone through since 2010? Muller, Hargreaves, Sykes, Mostert, Marais (Jandre, Peet), Bresler, Skeate, Hewitt, Wentzel, Lewies, du Toit.

    Last thing, can we please keep Jacques around once more, just want him to finish off with a solid win at KP lifting a trophy :)

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.10.14 04:43:48 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • Congrats to the Lions and their supporters! !!! Well deserved and good luck for thr final.

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.10.14 11:25:30 by JD Reply
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  • @Here be dragons (Comment 35) : ja after this Currie cup there’s more questions than answers! !!!!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.10.14 11:28:50 by JD Reply
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  • Not sure that we need to panic – we have 10 Springboks coming back for Super rugby. We played a Lions Super team – I think that if we had started the semi with Dale, Lourens and perhaps Cameron and Fred it would have been a different game plan

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.10.14 13:03:01 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • Well done to the Lions, really hope they can do it again in the final.

    Cannot blame the ref, thought he was pretty good. Lions played well, we played poorly.

    @Here be dragons (Comment 35) : Whether we’ve done well or poorly, this time of year always gets me intrigued as to what sort of team we can put together next season.

    We’ve lost a lot of stalwarts, as you say (Deysel would have been exceptionally useful during this CC). I just hope we can keep hold of our big names for at least another season; but there are going to be a lot of outgoings and incomings among the playing staff, and obviously the coaching staff.

    As much as I respect and admire the man, I’m worried that John Smit has tried to change too much too quickly. The intellectual capital lost getting rid of Straueli and Plumtree hasn’t been replaced, and for all their faults (and the lack of Super Silverware), they kept Sharks fans feeling like their team was the best in the country and up there with the best in the southern hemisphere…

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.10.14 13:23:26 by MerckZ Reply

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  • So boys and girls it is what it is and the Sharks are what they are and another season over

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.10.14 15:14:41 by benji Reply
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  • so here are my Sunday positives:

    1. another week of rest for our team
    2. no big heads come super15.
    3. we know where we need to improve (everywhere)
    4. we know where our weaknesses are

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.10.14 17:58:15 by byron Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 39) : “The intellectual capital lost getting rid of Straueli and Plumtree…..” Man you are going to have to hit most people with a spade to understand those implications and then they still wont get it….and its not only those two names mentioned.

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.10.14 19:00:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 42) :
    Plumtree should NEVER have been sidelined … in favour of .. WHAT ??
    I hope the Lions smash WP.

    I have never felt this depressed about going forward. We desperately need some capable staff – we have some fantastic players but THEY ARE NOT BEING MANAGED WELL.

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.10.14 20:56:50 by [email protected] Reply

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  • I respect john Smit as Springbok captain, even though it has to be said he overstayed his welcome as he kept a clearly better Bismark on the bench, but for all the excitement that his appointment as CEO brought, I gotta admit that the Sharks are in a worse place now than before he was appointed. Getting our asses handed to us by the Lions yesterday was a humiliating experience, but at least it provided us with a realistic picture of where the Sharks are at present, and showed quite clearly that BMH and his assistants do not have what it takes to succeed at Superrugby.

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.10.14 23:31:37 by jonnow Reply

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  • I might be off-base with this comment, but I seriously feel as if some of our players are too big. It seems White clashed with some, from what I’ve seen on here. We have had a great squad for years, but the big one still evades us. Don’t they need someone who will give them a kick in the backside and get them firing? CC wins are great, but I felt that it might have covered up bigger issues. One of my concerns of the Plumtree era was his ‘favorites’ and I think some of that mentality still persists.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.10.14 01:48:04 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • We get beaten in the kiddies-pool Currie Cup, and all of a sudden we want to run back to our mommies (in this case Plum and co.)….fickle lot you are.

    Anyone remember how Plum’s Bok laden Sharks got schooled in Jo’burg a few years back?! Obviously not. :roll:

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.10.14 06:39:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 46) :

    i agree . rather judge yourselves on SR next year . Will give a more holistic picture of where you guys are at . You beat the Lions twice in super rugby this year . bit early to panic ?

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.10.14 07:31:28 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 47) : Says the man sitting with, and benifitting, from the Sharks intellectual capital.

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.10.14 08:19:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 46) : Agree
    This was a rushed Currie Cup just to get it out of the way.
    A couple of seasons back it was always the lions and the cheetahs being major threats in the CC. Because the Boks came from Bulls, WP and Sharks.
    The moment a couple of Cheetahs are included in the Bok setup, they struggle to avoid the wooden spoon in the CC.
    That only leaves the lions as real contenders.

    Making the semis the way we did (comfortably and even in some form), I don’t think we aqre that bad of. We surely are greater off now for SR as we have guys with senior game time under their belt. Cameron, Mondi, Thomas, Kyle, Tera, Esterhuizen…. Some decent backup right there

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.10.14 08:20:30 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 47) : Good point. Same for the Lions. SR provides a different aspect (depth and player conditioning) as it is a marathon, not a race.

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.10.14 08:22:29 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Firstly I think we need to realise that we were beaten by a much better side on the day and sometimes you just have to accept that you are second best. I also think we need to learn from this about how a team should be structured from its tight 5, loosie combo, etc. I am the first to moan about a lack of depth and these players not being good enough but having thought about it, its very tough for a Union like the Sharks at the moment to breed quality depth. Youngsters these days want instant success and unfortunately at the Sharks the majority of our Super rugby side are Boks so they are going to play most games so youngsters are not going to get a look in, its just the way it is. Compare that to the Lions who can blood youngsters in their side as they dont have 10 Boks in their side. We going through the same issues the Bulls did when they had the majority of the Bok side in their starting Super side. So yes the loss sucks but lets be honest we kinda expected to lose even if our heart hoped otherwise. But lets hope we learn from this and put proper team selection structures in place and for F sakes get a defense coach because my goodness we have no clue how to tackle.

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.10.14 08:24:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 46) : Nice to know that we cant even splash around in the kiddies pool anymore. :twisted: Just yanking your chain.

    But on a more serious note I am bummed by the score (and the way it came about) of this game and not at all by the loss – I had the Lions by a good few on SuperBru so was not expecting a win. Also if one considers the different expert predictions of where the Sharks would come in the Currie Cup then they actually far exceeded what was expected of them. We were meant to have ended fifth.

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.10.14 08:26:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) :

    not saying the Lions arent improving . but really i will only get excited about the Lions once we can at least beat the Sharks at SR ..

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.10.14 08:27:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I was so angry watching this game. Getting beaten by a better team on the day is not so much the problem, the problem is the journeymen in the team, kinda reminded me of the days of Putt and his no-namers. They just did not play with passion, Cronje, Hoffmann and Stevens. Once those three got replaced by true Sharks boys, suddenly we looked like we might sneak a win, but too little too late. Hell even though he did not play well, you could see SP wearing his heart on his sleeve during the match. I might not be a fan off his, but he gave his all out there, much more than you can say about Cronje!

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.10.14 08:41:33 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 53) : Fair enough, but at least there are very encouraging signs at the Lions; good skills sets, spatial awareness, coaching structures, player management, intelligent game planning and preparation… these are all things that were on display this Currie Cup, and which should give you a very solid base to build from.

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.10.14 08:43:20 by Culling Song Reply
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  • So Ewan Mackenzie is available?

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.10.14 08:52:51 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I still say we need to get Stonehouse, he won’t be as expensive as any of the other coaches, and he has already proven what he can do with a squad of no-names, now imagine him in charge of a squad like the Sharks.

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.10.14 08:55:21 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 55) :

    2011 taught me that a Good CC does not equal a good SR season the following year .

    But lets see . Dont forget the Lions could not beat the Sharks or WP away during this CC .

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.10.14 08:56:05 by Zibbie Reply
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  • How far have we fallen since our great CC win last year ????? however Look towards the future :
    1. JS and co must appoint a seasoned world class DR/Senior Coach to help us rebuild a sustainable future. I do not believe BMH and his team has what it takes. He might be good in the Junior structures?
    2. We have pool of very talented youngsters that needs to be coached and developed. Case in point a bunch of no name Lions youngsters a few years back came last in everything! Our Springbok core is getting on and many rumours flying around that most of them will leave after the world cup anyway.
    3. In conjunction with the new coach we have to selectively recruit some senior talent.
    My biggest concern with all of the above is that there is not enough time before S15 season to get a coach or players ?

    John it is your job to settle all of this down and give the Sharks supporters some hope again!

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.10.14 09:06:15 by Observer Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 57) : Problem with the big names – comes big egos….

    Jimmy might be tempted to slap Bismarck, which would see Bismarck driving off in tears…and then massive lawsuits :lol:

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.10.14 09:19:40 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 60) : haha but I think Jimmy is the only coach with the guns to slap Bissie with

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.10.14 09:23:22 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • People on here are very harsh on a team that played very bravely on Saturday,This was a team that was incredibly young in parts,that faced huge upheaval and massive expectations.
    This team largely know that they are not the Provinces first team,and that even if they some how achieved the miracle and won the Currie Cup most of them wouldn’t start next years Super rugby.
    The Lions on the other hand are a team that know they are the first choice,have no pressure but their own ambition to play to.
    Many positives came out of this Campaign for me Terra,Sibura,Esterhuizen,Wright,Lewies,du Toit,this is the Sharks future.
    I like that Lions team,and hope they beat Province on Saturday,by 50 points.
    I twas no disgrace to lose to that team,they played like Jannie Breedts side,WHEN francois Pienaar was just an up and coming 7
    Then Cooper,

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.10.14 09:31:04 by The hound Reply
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  • Wow, of the 6 tries, 3 were scored by guys who went to school in KZN and a 4th by a guy who came through our junior structures.

    nice work.

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.10.14 09:34:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think there is still a huge shit storm going to blow out of K.P.,my feeling is that the lid has been kept on till the campaign was over.
    Some of the old regime reputations are going to be very tarnished.

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.10.14 09:36:33 by The hound Reply
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  • Blooding youngsters is not the best solution in any business though. First get the best guys in your board. Management must ensure success then get the best personnel you can afford and that will ensure a greater income. Only then grow a younger base which will probably leave as soon as they get a better offer. The current way of thinking means a big investment in a player who could be you opposition next year.
    We need quality players in every position when the boks are away. Time to buy is now!!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.10.14 09:41:58 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • They ran us off our feet, great lines from the lions. I felt the guys did give up a bit in the last 10 minutes which was unfortunate to see and inflated the scoreline. Hopefully they sharks brains trust can take some positives out of this game.

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.10.14 09:52:07 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 58) : @Zibbie (Comment 58) : I’m not suggesting that you’ll do well in Super Rugby; you might, but then again, you might not.

    All I am pointing out is that based on your Currie Cup campaign, the Lions currently come across as a team with real clarity of purpose and a proper plan for improvement.

    Now just say thank you and stop arguing :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.10.14 10:00:11 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 65) : So where do you think we were light.In my opinion we lacked a 15,and another loosie,otherwise we were pretty well covered.
    We had 7 boks out, who claim their places back,what top quality guys do you think are going to join in their position knowing that they are coming back.
    is Whitely or Koilisi or Carr going to come on the off chance that he will be chosen ahead of Alberts or Marcel,Kanko,or Terra.

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.10.14 10:01:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 67) :

    Ja meneer ! dankie meneer :P

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.10.14 10:06:08 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Congrats to all the Lions supporters on the site.

    The best team clearly won, all the best in the Final!

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.10.14 10:30:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : I was very aware of it during the game and it actually was a bitter sweet experience – on the one hand knowing that they had at least found a home where they could play top flight rugby because they would not get that opportunity at the Sharks – maybe a game here and there but not to the level they are at the Lions.

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.10.14 10:37:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Well…
    The Lions were just much better and I wish them well for the final…
    We achieved roughly what I was expecting in the Currie Cup, with some things to be excited about and quite a few to be frustrated with…
    Here’s to waiting for some good news over the next few weeks…

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.10.14 11:51:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Well done Lions! I love your rugby at the moment and I hope you continue the running rugby and give WP a lashing.

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.10.14 12:01:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 73) : Province aren’t going to miss 30 tackles like the Sharks did. Hope the Lions have a plan B as well.

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.10.14 13:23:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : True that. Should be cracker of a final. Looking forward to some good rugby without any emotions involved.

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.10.14 13:33:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • No surprises that the Sharks failed miserably…..look no further than Stevens at 3 and Wentzel at 5…….give me a break

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.10.14 14:01:05 by Saffex Reply

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  • This was not a train smash. Perhaps the wake-up call needed for Sharks management. I expected to loose, but not such a hammering.

    It does show our second tier players are not as good as we think they were. That is a worry in the long term, because we know we will be losing a number of senior players after the WC.

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.10.14 14:14:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : But then again the Lions will not be as clueless on attack as the Bulls were with so much possession and territory.

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.10.14 14:15:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • The Sharks need to start looking after their players…..look no further than the Marais brothers and Mnisi….have said from day one this lad is a class act

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.10.14 14:22:25 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 76) : didn’t watch the game, did you?

    Wentzel has been pretty good for us all season and certainly wasn’t among the worst culprits on Saturday.

    As for Stevens, well…. they spent a lot of time talking about his musical abilities. Reminded me of a very popular current act… the guy called “Passenger”

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.10.14 15:05:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) :

    Its been a long while since I last saw saw an internationally capped front rower get such a going over. Outclassed completely.

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.10.14 15:27:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) : Stevens is at the end of his career and should have been used sparingly off the bench,not a a starting player.The guy we should be talking about is Redelinghuis,how we discarded him is a disgrace.And we could also make a case for Pat Cilliers and Michael Rhodes.
    I know Rhodes is not the most popular player,but hell he has grunt and that is the main thing we were lacking in this team.

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.10.14 15:36:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : Redelinghuys spent well on 3 seasons as a Sharks player drawing a salary while injured.

    I think sometimes you can’t actually blame the union.

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.10.14 16:30:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) : Hindsight is 20/20 vision as they say.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.10.14 16:56:57 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : we have learned that even our second choice in every position should only be a close second not only because injury would most certainly see the 2nd choice play but it ensures that the coach feels comfortable to rotate players more often. When we loose no 1 to the boks 2 shall work harder. Reinach McLeod is my case study here. If you do not feel comfortable in giving an employee a 5 year contract then both employee and employer shows no real commitment. Young ones are grown in VC and exceptional players must be contracted or left on the market.rather spend money on better players in short term to gain finals to make income then spend more on development. Not vice versa.

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.10.14 21:59:45 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : @robdylan (Comment 83) : to be fair I think that when Redelinghuis left the Sharks were pretty well covered at 3 with Jannie, Wors and a couple of talented youngsters like Schonert and co so letting him go was not a bad decision at the time, looking back now well ja yes……… like Bokhoring said hindsight is 20/20 vision.

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.10.14 22:50:34 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : Stevens needs a serious pre season conditioning course if he wants to play Super rugby as its a lot faster than CC. Redelinghuys was rated by the Sharks but he could never get himself fit and is probably grouped with RHodes and Cilliers in that they never reached potential in Durbs as they enjoyed the laid back party life too much in Durbs. Jhb is a lot more hustle bustle and not much play time there which is why JW’s 8am to 5pm work days didnt go down well in Dbn.

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.10.14 08:12:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 87) : Stevens is not SR material

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.10.14 08:24:31 by benji Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 87) :

    you have never seen the Jozi party scene :p come visit me one day maybe ?

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.10.14 08:36:49 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 88) : Stevens is one of those guys,Ackermann another who had their careers extended by a lengthy ban for drugs at the height of their potential.
    Very few make it back from that.Stevens is a good 15 -20 minutes sub and should not be expected to play a full game.He is not the future for the Sharks.He is a guy at the end of his career.

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.10.14 09:01:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 90) : Ackermann was better at 37 than he was at 27 though.

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.10.14 09:11:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 89) : Oh trust me i was up for the Bok/All Black game so im fully aware. What i meant was that its not that much of a party scene for the players. My understanding is they kinda have 9-5 rugby. Well mayb not to that extent but more so than in durbs. Also players in durbs stay a lot closer to the grounds than in jhb so traffic and travel not an issue to come and go

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.10.14 09:12:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : Yes and thats why he was banned for 2 years

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.10.14 09:21:36 by The hound Reply
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  • Surprised no one has made much mention of this but Lions absolutely scrummed our legs off. They scrummed early, often and as an entire unit. You can’t single out a player for what happened there, as a pack we weren’t prepared for the timing and collective effort the Lions put in.

    This gave the Lions extremely good front foot ball and we were on the opposite side of the spectrum. We gave them a good run for it in the second half putting them under huge pressure, scoring a try and getting the faintest of sniffs. The following Lions try snuffed any chance of a comeback win and pretty much broke their spirit.

    Random note. I thought Jaco had a very good game wit the whistle. Calm, clear and fair.

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.10.14 09:57:56 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) :

    if you want the party you can find the party :P

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.10.14 12:54:38 by Zibbie Reply
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  • One comment from me about the team seeming to respond to spirited (to put it mildly) half time speech – why do SA players often need such a kakking out to perform? This was a frigging semi-final – is the occasion in itself not big enough to get the players to go the extra mile?

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.10.14 13:14:27 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 95) : Of course…just think a change of scenery got them to focus more. Since going to CPT has Cilliers been as good as he was in JHB? I dont think so. Ok Rhodes probably better but just shows how an environment change can aide a player or be to his detriment.

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.10.14 13:18:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 97) : And Taute as well . But maybe that might be a case of the parents not being so close anymore as well .

    Maybe its more the team setup and personal values ? but im not sure . open question this

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.10.14 13:30:31 by Zibbie Reply
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