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Venter to the rescue?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 21 Oct 2014 at 08:30
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Rumours are gaining momentum that former Sharks Director of Rugby Brendan Venter may have been convinced to spend a bit more of his valuable (but limited) time with the team.

Venter, who virtually all Sharks fans (and players) would love to see permanently reappointed to the job so hastily vacated by Jake White earlier this month, has commitments to his medical practice (oh – and his family!) in Cape Town that appear to make any such move a complete non-starter. With CEO John Smit having repeatedly said that he won’t be rushed into an appointment – and the likelihood that the Currie Cup coaching trio will need some outside assistance ahead of Super Rugby next year – the distinct possibility has arisen that Venter will be brought in, again temporarily, in some sort of advisory or mentorship capacity.

As I said, all of this is very much at the unconfirmed rumour stage, but enough sources have hinted at it for me to believe it’s plausible.

Gary Gold appears to remain the front runner as a long-term appointment; the fact that he has worked alongside Venter in the past (at London Irish) and that the two men apparently get on well would make the presence of Venter in an occasional consultancy role one that could only add to whatever Gold hopes to achieve.

There may be some light at the end of this tunnel after all.



54 Comments

  • Interesting indeed. But won’t calm the nerves.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.10.14 08:32:49 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Getting Venter back in even on a consultative basis would make my day. On a Gold appointment I am lukewarm to cold – his CV does not really make for exciting reading.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.10.14 08:35:26 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) :

    Maybe that is the type of coach you guys need ? Dont think anybody jumped for joy when JA was appointed at the Lions . seems to be turning out ok

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.10.14 08:39:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Hmmm. Wonder how much money Venter is pulling from all his consultancy gigs. Might be a short term solution, but if they do appoint a DOR, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want a consultant looking over his shoulder every now and then.

    I haven’t followed Gold’s career after his stint at the bokke, so no clue how he did and what his gameplan was. I hope that whoever we get looks at the squad and their strengths and plan the gameplan accordingly in stead of forcing the players to play to the way he feels they should.

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.10.14 08:40:22 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Eish man, BV is surely a great asset, but if he is unable to do the job full time, why even get him? I like the idea of him helping where he can don’t get me wrong. But I would much rather us have a guy who takes us on full time, who also lives in Durban and don’t fly in and out.

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.10.14 08:44:29 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Gold, thats a whole story on its own, I still do not see him taking us to any Glory.

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.10.14 08:50:30 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 5) : I would love to have him fulltime as well, but I think “some Venter is better than no Venter”. If even Saracens think he is good enough to keep part time, I think he will be able to do the same for us. When (not if) we get to the play-offs in SR next year, he can become really involved for a week or so and get us a brilliant game-plan for the play-offs that will work against a specific team. Unlike the game-plan we played this year in the semis…same game we played the whole year, expecting different results…

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.10.14 08:51:04 by HeinF Reply

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  • Venter should either stay fulltime, or not at all. We don’t want another patch job as coach. Get John Mitchell if we must, but also then allow him to appoint his own assistant coaches. Although personally, I would like it if we could get Stonehouse as head coach, with someone like Campo as backline/skills coach and Albert Van Den Berg as forwards coach, with Venter then consulting them.

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.10.14 08:52:45 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 7) : I get what you are saying, and do agree :) But my biggest and only worry is that our next coach would also just hang around under BV’s umbrella, just to be exposed as soon as BV moves on.
    @KingRiaan (Comment 8) : I agree, although I would love to have BV, having another patch job wont help us in the long term.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.10.14 08:58:20 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 9) : I do understand that BV don’t want to be permanent head coach, but at least them bind him in a contract to consult for us for the next 3-5 years, that way we won’t be left in such a lurch again.

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.10.14 09:00:45 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 8) : Unfortunately I cannot see any new coach at the Sharks being able to appoint his own assistants. If JW did not have that I cannot see any other coach getting it.
    Who ever is the new coach would need to know that he will have to work with our current CC coaching team as his assistants, as well as all the has beens thats been contracted by the Sharks.

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.10.14 09:06:28 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Im afraid im going to have to disagree with the majority and say that the short term appointment would not be good UNLESS whoever gets appointed plays the same gameplan and picks the same players as Venter would. Having Venter come in and change everything for him only to leave after a short stint and everything change again is not good for anyone. Yes he made a big difference during last years CC, but then he left and well i dont need to repeat what happened this season. So for me any short term appointment is a negative and will only cause more disruption and chaos down the line

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.10.14 09:07:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 10) : That does make allot more sense for sure.

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.10.14 09:08:03 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • another afctor to bear in mind…. Sharks possibly can’t afford to be all that choosy. Given the track record over the last year, you probably can’t blame coaches for looking at the gig as a bit of a poisoned chalice at the moment.

    I’m not sure how many “big hitters of established pedigree” are actually lining up to take on the job.

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.10.14 09:11:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : My feeling is that we in bigger turmoil than what the picture shows. If no one is actually lining up for the Job then what does that say about Sharks rugby? Something is seriously wrong there. I see similarities between the Sharks and the Aus team.

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.10.14 09:15:16 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Also bear in mind that we had Venter on short term big money contract, then JW on big money contract…no CC Semi or final this year…and a half full test match so not sure how full those Sharks coffers are…?

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.10.14 09:15:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • We need to move on here,Venter is a stop gap at best,and there must be something about Mitchell that we cannot see.
    The guy is in Durban,has impeccable credentials and is virtually unemployed,so why haven ‘t we snapped him up.I know he is not a well liked man in New Zealand,and he fell from grace thereafter loosing just one All Black game,granted it was a world Cup semi and he made the genius decision to drop Christian Cullen for the game.
    He left Aussie after coaching just one season,and even got booted out of the Lions. So what is it that we cannot see here.

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.10.14 09:17:37 by The hound Reply
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  • Could Venter permanently oversee the DOR activities as a consultant? Does a DOR have to be a full time position, or could Venter be tasked with creating long term strategy and systems and then get other people to execute and implement?

    I don’t see Venter as a coach unless he is prepared to spend all his time on it. So we would still need a head coach for super rugby IMO.

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.10.14 09:19:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 17) : He actually coached the Force for 5 seasons not one.

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.10.14 09:20:00 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Again why I think that it won’t hurt to try and get Stonehouse, he won’t be nearly as expensive as any of those other coaches. Only way I can see us being able to afford an established international quality coach, is if they are paid a big performance bonus with a more meager salary, not that I think any of them will go for it

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.10.14 09:23:10 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 19) : Sorry I meant one team not one season,I don’t think he was offered another position there.

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.10.14 09:24:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 18) : To me a DOR should hardly get involved in coaching except as a mentor and sounding board for his coaches. He should look at the overall setup at the union, identify deficiencies (whether in coaching, skills, game plans, recruitment, fitness & conditioning, player retention) and initiate projects / actions to resolve these.

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.10.14 09:24:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I have said it before here ,Rassie Erasmus is the man we should be hiring.

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.10.14 09:26:27 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : Now that would be awesome

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.10.14 09:27:59 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : Rassie is too busy at the Boks. He wont do a coaching stint.
    My feeling is we need to go back to basics and involve Dick Muir. He did a excellent job in turning our fortunes around back then, never got the credit he deserved.

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.10.14 09:30:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : Problem is he already has a lekker job as General Manager of the High Performance Unit at SARU.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.10.14 09:37:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Jeepers are we really in that much trouble at the Sharks?

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.10.14 09:39:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 9) : True,that could easily happen as well. John Smit must just stick to his guns and not appoint someone to have a coach, but take his time and get the right man for the job

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.10.14 10:59:34 by HeinF Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Wouldn’t it make sense to take some time, like Smit said, and get someone we actually want? I’d rather keep the current coaches for next year’s super rugby, and then we see who is available after the WC? Who knows, maybe BMH & Co actually performs better than we expect them to?

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.10.14 11:16:12 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Too many part-timers at the Sharks.

    When there’s a turnstile at the top, whereby coaches come and go as they please, what motivation do the players have to give their all for the jersey?

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.10.14 11:34:41 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Ja a bit worried the last (white) light at the end of the tunnel was a fucking train!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.10.14 11:45:10 by JD Reply
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  • I don’t want a patched up short term solution. I love Brenden and would give my left kidney for him to be our head coach. He however can’t commit to us on a long term basis. Get John Mitchell and stop this back and forth.

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.10.14 12:31:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 32) : or move the Sharks team to Cape town?!?!?!

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.10.14 12:45:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 33) :

    Well we always need some guys to hold the tackle bags…

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.10.14 12:49:19 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 32) :

    as i lions supporter , i am able to tell you that Mitchell and “stop the back and forth” is never allowed to be used in the same sentence

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.10.14 12:52:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Brendan Technically a rugby genius. Cant commit. So as an advisor he will be great, and coaches/CEO’s and boards all need advisors to give them a different perspective.

    The following should be carefully considered :

    1. FANS ; UNHAPPY AND UNSURE – VERY BAD
    2. SPONSORS WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS SITAUTION. CASE IN POINT MTN AND LIONS WHEN THEY HAD PROBLEMS!
    3. PLAYERS : SENIOR PLAYERS ALREADY UNHAPPY 20+ LEFT BECAUSE OF JAKE AND THE SENIOR PLAYERS WILL NOT LISTEN TO BRAD ANYWAY. THE GREAT YOUNG SQUAD WE HAVE NEEDS COACHING AND A FUTURE
    4. ADMINISTARTORS ; SORTING OUT FRAUD SHIT FROM THE PAST – GOOD LUCK
    5. JOHN AND HIS BOD ; HAD A GREAT HONEYMOON TO BE HONEST(SWEAR AT ME FOR THIS) LEGACY OF PLUM/ RUDLOPH & BRENDAN WINNING THE CC. AND MADE A MONUMENTAL MISTAKE WITH JW THAT SET US A BACK LEAST A YEAR AND LOSING MANY PLAYERS.

    AS BEFORE OUR FRIEND JOHN AND HIS BOD NEEDS TO ASESS ALL THESE ISSUES AND DEVELOP A LONG TERM STARTEGY AROUND PEOPLE SO THE SPONSORS AND SHARK FAMILY CAN BE HAPPY AGAIN!

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.10.14 13:04:51 by Observer Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 34) : Sharks can move into the Capetown 2010 Stadium.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.10.14 13:26:03 by JD Reply
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  • @Observer (Comment 36) : I agree, lots of problems, especially with players leaving:

    1. Wiehan Herbst, invited to Bok training camp in 2013, not used in 2014 (well, hardly used)
    2. Tim Whitehead, invited to Bok camp 2013, not used 2014
    3. Edwin Hewitt, showed good promise in 2013 CC

    etc, etc

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.10.14 13:33:03 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 38) : Ja some very weird decision were made. Sorry to say but I can’t see the Sharks reaching the playoffs let alone winning Super rugby next year.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.10.14 16:55:13 by JD Reply
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  • Glad to see everybody is oh so positive :roll:

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.10.14 17:54:35 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 40) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.10.14 19:31:18 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : I am with you on this one. BV must make a clear career choice. Is he a coach or a doctor. We need a dedicated guy to build on a new base. We can’t fix this mess. We need a complete structure and skill set.
    BV was required earlier before semis not now. Time to buy a world class coach and players to save the brand.

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.10.14 19:57:56 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • I suddenly think back to Star Wars! Help us Brendan Venter, you’re our only hope! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.10.14 20:24:28 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 42) : Look besides the chopping and changing if BV comes in. He would come in for Super rugby…work with our Bok laden team and hey look how well we do…then leave…but how does that help the muppets in our CC side??

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.10.14 07:56:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I still think DOR and head coach is two different positions. Look at how the Bulls managed to win two more super title with frankly a rather average coach in charge, while HM was doing his work behind the scenes.

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.10.14 08:04:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Last year when it was announced that BV was going to be involved with the Sharks I was one of the vociferous muppets that was questioning the initial set up that he would be running the show from Cape Town, as we know this changed and BV comuted to I think all practices and was the ultimate professional in doing his duty. Well its now more than a year down the line and I now feel that, with the right coaches in Durban BV would be more than welcome running the show from Cape Town with regular visits and obviously daily contact with all the modern methods of communication.

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.10.14 09:07:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : I’m really not sure how, as a supposed fan, using the term “muppets” to refer to anyone involved in the team is at all helpful.

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.10.14 09:07:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : I just called myself a muppet in the previous post. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.10.14 09:09:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) : LOL :)

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.10.14 09:15:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : In some way, I think all us Sharks fans are muppets at some level :lol:

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.10.14 09:18:54 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 46) : Exactly. I would only make the provision that it must be a long term part-time agreement between BV and the Sharks.

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.10.14 09:22:10 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Just an illustration of the huge difference in quality. And to be fair, barring a couple games thats exactly how they played. At the end of the day, yes im a fan but i also pay to watch good entertainment and to see some of those displays- if i was at the playhouse and got the same performance id also enquire about a refund. So yes whilst i know nobody is perfect and having played the game i do realise the difficulty level…but when week after week you see the same errors…in a professional environment you have to start asking the hard questions and making the harsh comments…well either that or accept mediocrity. Not having a go at a guy but case in point SP Marais- he was pretty shite from Feb to Sept but still plays ahead of guys like Van Tonder etc. So as a fan yes i support him and hope (sometimes pray) he gets better…but im still gonna call a spade a spade and say he is shite!

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.10.14 09:40:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Ewen McKenzie needs a job…………………….

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.10.14 08:51:48 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 53) : And so should Naka Drotsky and Frans Ludeke also be. :twisted:

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.10.14 10:26:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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