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New heroes rise, old legends fall


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 22 Oct 2014 at 09:43
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The 2014 Currie Cup campaign for the Sharks was, to me, as noteworthy for the unfortunate waning of a few previously rather bright stars, than it was for the emergence of new ones.

The fabled “blend of youth and experience” is a well-worn phrase used by coaches and writers alike to describe the ideal squad composition and you can’t really doubt the wisdom of having a bunch of seasoned war horses in your setup to complement and guide the upcoming “next generation”. There’s obviously got to be a useful middle bunch as well; those who were the next big thing a few years back and now provide the mainstay of the team. The Sharks, I feel, suffer from the fact that much of what they’ve developed over the last few years – players who should comprise this middle group – are now plying their trade and often excelling elsewhere. That’s perhaps a topic for a different post, though.

I’d like to focus, here, on both the very old and the very young. Much has been said about the bevvy of young players who have, for the most part, stood up and stood up well in Currie Cup this year. Thomas du Toit, Cameron Wright and Andre Esterhuizen are the obvious players who come to mind, given that all are within a year or two of high school still. Others, including Khaya Majola, Johan Meyer, Franco Marais and Wiehan Hay played some senior rugby in this campaign after a few years with the juniors and also, for the most part, showed enough potential to suggest that they definitely deserve a further look in.

The Sharks, after all, have a fairly good track record when it comes to identifying and incorporating serious junior talents and it’s not altogether surprising that we’ve uncovered yet another very good batch in 2014.

I’m more concerned about the senior corps, the grey beards in the squad whose job it is to provide the leadership, set the tone and generally provide the framework within which the juniors can learn and hopefully excel. While we admittedly went into this campaign a little light on experience, given both Bok commitments and overseas departures, I felt all the same we really battled at times as our leadership group went missing. While the likes of Jacques Botes, Marco Wentzel and Odwa Ndungane (before his injury) always gave their individual best to help Tera Mtembu and guide the youngsters, other seniors who were brought in specifically to add experience (I’m thinking specifically about Matt Stevens and Tonderai Chavhanga) were more often guilty of making errors themselves and setting a rather poor example for the youngsters to follow.

We tend to be very hard on players whom we consider seniors – I’m thinking of the likes of SP Marais, Dale Chadwick or Paul Jordaan – when they make mistakes but do need to concede that these guys are themselves still very young and are often thrust into leadership roles perhaps before they’re quite ready for them, simply because the experienced core we spoke of either isn’t there at all, or isn’t pulling its weight.



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  • Yep we really lost a lot of leadership when Daniel, Deysel and to a lesser extent Kanko left the Sharks. The new seniors brought in to bolster the experience side of the Sharks doesn’t have the love of the jersey and the squad I think.

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.10.14 09:59:20 by PTAShark Reply
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  • In my opinion, the biggest problem we had was too many journeymen in the team. Hoffman, Cronje, Stevens, Wentzel, Astle, Chavanga. Especially the first three I named. Other than a paycheck, what kind of loyalty do they have to the team? Also with the high rotation in coaches, apart from the younger players who are trying to prove they belong there, the older guys just said meh.

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.10.14 09:59:31 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 2) : Ok, hang on.

    You’re right for the most part, but I can tell you honestly that without Wentzel there, we wouldn’t have beaten any of the Bulls, Lions or WP this season. Cut the old man some slack – he’s never pretended to be a enforcer at 4, but what he does at 5 is invaluable.

    Also a little unfair to call Astle a journeyman just yet. He’s still very young.

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.10.14 10:17:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : I agree when it comes to Wentzel, mainly just put his name and Astle in there to illustrate how many guys ”not native” to the Sharks that was brought in. I am a fan of Wentzel though. I also understand that he is not an enforcer, another reason why I think we struggled in the tight 5, with Wentzel and Lewies there, we basically played to 5 locks, with a perfectly decent 4 lock stuck on the flank, if we had to go that route, I would’ve rather had played Lewies at 7.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.10.14 10:20:26 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Personally I think we need a new fullback. SP is to inconsistent.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.10.14 10:24:24 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 5) : couldn’t agree with you more. everytime he catches the ball i hold my breath because i never know if it is gonna work out or not.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.10.14 10:30:20 by Poisy Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 4) : funny, I might even have played Marco at 7. Had exactly that thought earlier in the week.

    You’re right, though. We lack a beast at 4.

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.10.14 10:32:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 5) : I do have a problem with that player too. I’m trying really hard to remind myself that he’s doing his best and isn’t picking himself.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.10.14 10:32:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • During this CC i saw enough of Thomas Du Toit,Cameron Wright, Khaya Majola, Wiehan Hay and Andre Esterhuizen to believe that need to be given backing in future sides. I havnt seen enough of Johan Meyer to be convinced about him at senior level yet, same goes for JC Astle…but both still young and talented i believe. As for the older guys…i was very disappointed by Chavanga (he seemed to get worse as time went), Stevens (Very unfit and overweight) and even Odwa Ndungane is perhaps a bit too far off the pace these days. Conrad Hoffman doesnt offer anything that pour other scrumhalves dont have. Lionel Cronje is an enigma as i believe he can be a blot better than he has played…perhaps its just an attitude thing.

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.10.14 10:35:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 5) : That we do!
    We need Louis Ludik back!

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.10.14 10:41:11 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : Cronje looks like he has the same mentality as Charl McLeod had, great when he’s playing for his spot, iffy when he’s comfortable

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.10.14 10:43:13 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : I’m very worried about our outside back stocks.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.10.14 10:46:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : With Willem back at 7 for SR, Lewies and Oosthuizen should be our lock pair, but then we just have the same problem come CC time.

    Overall I think Oosthuizen’s time on the side of the scrum has done him a world of good as a player

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.10.14 10:47:12 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 13) : I’d like to have Pieter-Steph du Toit in our team…. call me crazy

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.10.14 11:09:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 2) : Astle is probably just too light for a lock at the moment.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.10.14 11:13:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : PSDT and Lewies to start with Oosthuyzen as reserve

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.10.14 11:13:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Rob. When Marco arrived he was touted a sort of player / lineout coach. Do you know if there are still plans to involve him as a specialist coach at the Sharks?

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.10.14 11:23:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : I think that he has definitely been very active in trying to help the young locks. The issue was Jake really just being an asshole to him.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.10.14 11:28:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just give me Ungerer for 2015 SR, and we’ll be re-introduced to what a genuine scrumhalf looks like.

    He’ll overtake Reinach by the middle of the SR season…if it even takes that long.

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.10.14 11:29:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 15) : Astle just plain doesn’t strike me as a 4. So we now run the risk of being seriously overstocked at 5 and short at 4.

    My view is that Piet-Steph should concentrate on 4, with Ettas and Hay as his deputies.

    Hay has a lot of bulk and we really need to use that.

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.10.14 11:30:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 16) : yes, I’m happy with that. PS at 4.

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.10.14 11:33:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Meaning 11,14,15 rob? I would tend to agree. SP Marais, Chanvanga, Swiel, Ndungane dont inspire much which leaves just Mvovo. Then there is Van Tonder,Maseko, Fisher and the other u21s although both Sithole and Jordaan can be used there…

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.10.14 11:48:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : yeah, it’s those positions.

    I think Jake was on the right track with S’bura at 13 and Mvovo at 15. I think both of those are moves that could work out very well in the long term.

    That does leave us very stretched at wing, though. Odwa and Chavhanga are both worrying at the moment and who knows what sort of state JP will be in when we get him back. I like Maseko, but he’s very green, while van Tonder just hasn’t had enough opportunities to show what he can do. Swiel is another who probably isn’t going to make it as a senior fullback (although can still do well at 10).

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.10.14 11:52:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • so I guess what I’m saying is while we have plenty of options at 15, I don’t see a guy who is head-and-shoulders above the rest and sure to make the jersey his own.

    I wonder if there’s any chance we might see Morne Joubert make a meteoric rise next year? Would be great to see.

    Wing is equally concerning. Lots of makeshift options, too few thoroughbreds.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.10.14 11:54:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • I am not too worried about our backline for next year, as long as SP, Cronje and Hoffman only gets used in the most desperate times, and the less said about Swiel the better. My biggest worry is, how we can utilize both Frans and Andre in the starting team next year, as well as Jordaan and Sithole. Maybe Frans at 15, Andre at 12, Sithole at 13 and Jordaan at wing?

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.10.14 11:55:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 25) : ai…. here we go again.

    If we know one thing about having Brendan involved, it’s that we’ll see Frans and Andre rotated at 12, and S’bura and Paul rotated at 13. And I think that’s the best way to do it. Let’s not start with preconceived ideas about a first choice or second choice in any position. Super Rugby next year runs straight through – no international break – and there WILL be pressure to rest Boks, so rotation is an absolute must.

    The idea of Frans at 15 remains interesting, but I can’t really see enough positives beyond his big boot.

    Remember also that coaches tend to favour a left boot at 15 (to complement a right-footed flyhalf) and Frans is not a lefty.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.10.14 11:59:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • Tight five and loosies is our biggest worry. Most probably we will see a pack consisting of the Du Plessis bros, Beast, Lewies and Pieter-Steph, with Marcell, Willem and Kanko the loose trio, but outside of those, we are left with very quality alternatives. The only ones that comes to mind is Cooper, the Tank, Chadwick, Adriaanse and Tera. Not enough depth to put our minds to rest.

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.10.14 12:00:20 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 27) : amazing how if you could just add Bresler, Deysel and Daniel to that list it would suddenly be a completely different story.

    I agree with you, though. The upside is that the balance of what we have is still pretty young and will, hopefully, still develop the necessary mongrel.

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.10.14 12:02:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : yes IF Venter is involved then finally we will go back to a rotation policy, but I can’t see any other coach really do that. I’m also not a huge fan of Frans at 15, just trying to work out what the most probable choice will be.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.10.14 12:03:06 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : Such a sad turn around to the stocks we had at the beginning of the year :sad:

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.10.14 12:04:06 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 29) : there was talk earlier in the season about Jordaan as a possible fullback. If what we are looking for is SERIOUS counter attacking threat from the back, we could make that work. Pretty much a similar argument to picking Mvovo there, I guess.

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.10.14 12:04:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 30) : look, I think that letting Keegan and Wollie go to Japan on sabbaticals might not have been the worst idea in the world, but failing to retain either of them for Super Rugby next year was probably the real blunder.

    And losing Bresler? Inexcusable. We should have tied him up in a 5 year contract

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.10.14 12:05:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : JPP is still around for super rugby

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.10.14 12:14:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Any insights as to whom exactly messed up with these contracts?

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.10.14 12:15:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : I’m with you there mate. Just hope that the Smittie and co can knuckle out a decent plan to get us back on track, recruit and promote the correct players and choose a vision and plan and stick to it. Unfortunately hind sight is an exact science, but now more than ever the people in charge of our team has to stand up and lead from the front.

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.10.14 12:17:02 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 35) : I must say, I do like what I’m hearing about contracts. Seems smitty is now trying really hard to get the key guys tied up in long term deals.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.10.14 12:21:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Awesome, will be waiting anxiously until you reveal the good stuff.

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.10.14 12:23:22 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : @Bokhoring (Comment 33) : is JPP not seen as a centre at the Sharks now? Also dont be surprised to see a midfield of Steyn and Esterhuizen with Jordaan and Sithole wings.

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.10.14 12:24:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : well, we know that Keegan was basically chased away by Jake.

    As for the other two, dunno…. maybe nobody tried hard enough to keep them? I know Anton was probably just feeling the pressure of quite so many coaching changes leading to uncertainty about his position. He’d been properly backed by Plum and then had lots of injuries just as he was trying to establish himself under Brendan and then Jake.

    The fact that Meyer wouldn’t even look at him must have contributed as well.

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.10.14 12:25:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : I’m sorry, but JPP is a KAK 13…. only marginally better at wing at the moment, but that’s by the by.

    To my mind, Sithole shows far more promise as a 13 then JP does.

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.10.14 12:29:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : I think Bresler was a combo of his injuries and the lure of the pond considering those injuries and the panic that he may not be able to play forever so needs to cash in playing in less brutal conditions.

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.10.14 12:30:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : Jake was right about a few things, I think…. one of them is that Andre doesn’t have the pace to be a strike runner. Him and Frans are, to my mind, very similar players and it will be difficult (and perhaps even foolish) to pick them to play together.

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.10.14 12:30:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Yeh look i prefer JPP at wing too. Funny thing about JPP he seems to get better the more he plays, he doesnt do well if he isnt playing regularly. He is one that dispells the myth that rest is required.But yeh i wouldnt be surprised to see Steyn/Etherhuizen start with Sithole bench- purely because he can cover centre and wing

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.10.14 12:32:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : JPP’s problem is that he starts each season almost in sleepwalk mode, and then slowly gets better towards the end. I don’t see him as a 13 – his front on defense gets exposed there very easily. But I do still rate him at wing – the awake version of him.

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.10.14 12:34:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 44) : he’s in the same boat as Kanko…. because of this japanese kak they never have an off season.

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.10.14 12:36:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : The problem with Esterhuizen is that you either start him or not play him at all as he isnt a good bench option as only covers centre where as a guy like Sithole or Jordaan can cover a few options.

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.10.14 12:59:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Maybe start the new season with the Sushi boys on the bench, then let injuries and form do the rest. The team that will take to the field will be rather different to the one that plays in the first 3 or so matches. Maybe start with Andre with Frans on the bench etc.

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.10.14 13:04:34 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : Yeah I think it was Big Fish who suggested PJ at 15. I’d prefer to see him at 15 than Mvovo.

    Mvovo has an eye for the tryline and insane pace, but I don’t think he has the same ability to change direction and weave as Jordaan.

    One of the things that I think makes Mvovo such a brilliant wing is his ability to operate in very limited space close to the touchline using explosive acceleration to evade defenders, whereas Jordaan is better midfield where there are options left and right and jinxes defenders at full pace. PJ also seems to bring out his best with a some room and a bit of broken play.

    Different types of runners the two of them. But there is something very similar to the way Paul Jordaan and Ben Smith run with the ball IMO.

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.10.14 13:10:53 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 47) : Usually the sushi boys are not available for the first couple of games anyway. So we can probably count out at least 2 out of JPP, Kanko and Frans.

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.10.14 13:11:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 2) : Given Matt’s personal back round I think his salary is chicken feed. He is playing because he wants to.

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.10.14 13:13:48 by durbsguy Reply

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  • Depending on fitness and form, I would not mind a starting team:

    Beast
    Bissie
    JDP
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    Lewies
    Marcell
    Alberts
    Kanko
    Reinach
    Lambie
    PJ / Sithole
    Frans
    PJ / Sithole
    JPP
    Mvovo

    with Adriaanse / Cooper / Thomas/Chadwick, Oosthuyzen, Tera, Wright/Ungerer, Fred (if he can get back to form)/Cronje, SP (maybe a youngster rather) as replacements.

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.10.14 13:21:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : And rotate Esterhuizen into the team in a balanced way as well.

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.10.14 13:23:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Wow,seems unreal,how did we go from guys like Ludik,Bressler,Deysel,Keegan,McLaod and the like to wondering what we’re gonna do next season? What happened to Hewitt?

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.10.14 13:28:13 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 53) : JW chased Hewitt away as well. We’ve lost soooo many players this year because of him but I’m not sure on the exact number. It would make for an interesting article!

    Wiehan Herbst and Tim Whitehead both attended Bok camps in recent years but didn’t even make the Super Rugby squad…madness!!!

    JW set the Sharks back by 5 years in terms of personnel.

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.10.14 14:13:02 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Forgot about him :oops:

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.10.14 14:29:58 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • JW the f.. also treated Peet Marais like shit and chased him away.

    You need 5 S15 level locks to go through a season. Every S15 season in the last few years we have at least three injuries.

    At 5 : Lewies, Astle and Planet
    At 4 : PSDT ( Still believes he plays like Juan Smith and should be played at 7), Oosthuizen (Not a 7 but showed good potential.He is a liability however must have given away the most penalties during the season and then his brain often freezes like the speartackle in the semi final?)Astle ( young and needs to become much more aggressive, maybe a better option at 5 ?)

    Willem will probably put in cotton wool for the world cup en wont play too much. PSDT or Ettiene to play then ?

    In conclusion we only have three S15 level experienced locks which is certainly not enough.

    Given the

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.10.14 14:45:46 by Observer Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 54) : I don’t remember Whitehead going to a Bok camp?

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.10.14 14:56:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Observer (Comment 56) : we invested so damn much in those Marais boys. Why the hell didn’t we find a way to keep them?

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.10.14 15:00:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • Seems like we’re going to have a very interesting year ahead. Lots for Smit to ponder and I hope whatever they decide that they communicate it to the fans.

    The Sharks need to start thinking long term. This plan also needs to include the probable exodus of a lot of senior players post RWC2015.

    I’m a very concerned Sharks supporter and I hope that Smit and co are looking at a sustainable long term plan forward for the Sharks.

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.10.14 15:36:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : He was just in the area so went to watch…so technically he was there ;)

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.10.14 15:39:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • My contract ends in 2017, I will come and run stuff for you guys in your high performance structures if you want :)

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.10.14 15:51:58 by Morné Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 54) : I almost forgot about those two aswell. One of the worst brainfarts JW had in my opinion was getting Swiel in the place of Du Preez!Getting Hoffman,if he got disregarded by the WP,then you know he’s career is going knowhere!
    @robdylan (Comment 58) : Is it possible for you to see which players have moved on since JW has joined and maybe have an idea who is still on the market from the end of the month?
    I reckon we might still be okay in next years S15,but I’m shitting myself thinking about 2016,just happy Lambie is staying!

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.10.14 15:52:51 by BarendL Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 61) : it’s a deal!

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.10.14 15:57:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : @robdylan (Comment 57) : If I remember correctly it was one of those extended camps Meyer did in 2012 to get a look at all of the top players from every region.

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.10.14 16:33:40 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 64) : Nope, Tim has never been invited to a senior Bok training camp (no idea about junior though). Tim missed his calling though, the guy should have developed a kicking game, he would have made a great flyhalf.

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.10.14 17:56:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Fullback worries me, not sure why we let Ludik and Viljoen go in the same year. Robinson is in France now I believe, so we have SP, JvT, and Mvovo at a stretch. Let’s go full Plumtree, resign Michalak and Patrick to FB

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.10.14 20:19:00 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • @Here be dragons (Comment 66) : Excellent idea, then Lambies career can take another big step backwards… NOT!

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 19) : Waar kom jy nou vandaan? Ek dog dan almal hier sien net een no9 in Natal klere….

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 67) : Nee kyk, Reinach is ‘n goeie “placeholder” vir Ungerer, maar enige iemand wat dink Reinach is die top scrummie vir die toekoms is van looitjie getik :lol:

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.10.14 08:36:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 68) : I still haven t seen Ungerer, but Super Rugby isn t the place to experiment with green horns.

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.10.14 08:51:41 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 69) : Ungerer deputized a couple of games for Reinach in the SupeRugby, so it is not like he will be completely new. i know Reinach is not the most perfect scrummie, but I would still like if he plays for us rather than against us.

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.10.14 08:57:47 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 68) : Cam Wright gaan nog vir al die ander neges ‘n ding of twee wys. :lol:

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.10.14 09:48:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 69) : @KingRiaan (Comment 70) : @Bokhoring (Comment 71) : Ungerer is the Lambie of scrumhalves…he’ll instantly shine at senior rugby.

    Cameron is a work in progress, and Reinach has already shown what he is capable of….Ungerer just needs his shot at the top, and he’ll show all the skills already in his arsenal.

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.10.14 10:03:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 68) : Nou praat jy darem “common sense” :D ;-)

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.10.14 10:56:05 by Uli Boelie Reply
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