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Pot luck, or pot of Gold for Smit?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 23 Oct 2014 at 10:17
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While Sharks CEO John Smit has yet to make any announcement, the smart money is very much on Gary Gold having sewn up the top job in Durban and various media are reporting that the former Bath man will be confirmed as Director of Rugby under Smit within days.

I like to think I’m plugged into the zeitgeist when it comes to the way Sharks fans are feeling and it’s probably safe to say that the news about Gold’s potential appointment is certainly not being met with the same rapturous applause and fawning adulation that marked Jake White’s hiring roughly a year ago. Reasons behind this one seem to be clear. Jake White has the “wow factor”, based in no small part on the fact that he’s won a World Cup. Gold is seen as a bit of a nowhere man, in contrast, who tends to float around under the radar. He’s held a number of top jobs over the years but has never seemed to step far enough into the limelight to be indelibly associated with a particular team, campaign, or noteworthy success.

Fans seem to expect, whether rightly or not, that World Cup (or at least Super Rugby) winning coaches should be lining up around the block to take on the Sharks job. While some are seemingly prepared to be patient and accept, perhaps, a less than stellar Super Rugby campaign in 2015 while Smit finds the right man, the vast majority of the black and white faithful seem rather desperate to see a new appointment. Who, exactly, they want this man to be is not clear, but the undertone is definitely that they want someone more flashy than plain old Gary Gold.

But is flashy what we want, or need right now? Jake White must surely have taught us something – that a coach with a big reputation is likely to come with an ego of equivalent size. White may believe that he has written the book on rugby, but his behaviour while in the hot seat in Durban suggested that there simply weren’t any spare pages in that book; the thought that he might need to work with others to increase his own knowledge was simply anathema. It’s an old cliche, but with Jake, I feel, we got a lot of knowledge but very little wisdom. His autocratic and closed-minded approach quickly alienated pretty much his entire support staff and in an environment quite as complex and cosmopolitan as the Sharks, his failure to adapt and work with people, rather than against them, proved his undoing.

This was never really meant to be a piece about all the things White did wrong, though. There’s plenty of dirt there which I may or may not choose to use at a later time, but I’d like to focus on the different dynamic that Gold can bring to the party, which will hopefully lead to a long and fruitful tenure.

All talk of rugby acumen aside (I’ll cover that in a follow-up piece) it’s the difference in personalty between Gold and White that I feel will be most telling. Gold is a people person, just like Dick Muir was before him. He gets on with people, works with them, listens to what they have to say and takes their ideas on board. Where White was closed to anything that didn’t come directly from his own brain, Gold is never too proud to seek out the ideas of others who may know more than him about a particular area. In this era of increasing worklaods, but shrinking budgets, no coach can afford to be an island, but neither can he afford to hire full-time specialists in every conceivable position; it thus becomes very important to be able to assimilate information from as many sources as you can. The first step along that road is being the sort of person that other people want to help, another area where Gold does a better job than Jake White.

When John Smit took the job last year, he spoke about the Sharks becoming “nice” again, about breaking down the walls of animosity that appeared to fence the so-called “last outpost” off from the rest of the South African rugby establishment. Why he decided to then hire a Director of Rugby who has already alienated virtually every part of that establishment through his behaviour over ten years is anyone’s guess, but to my mind, a fair amount of that damage could be undone in years to come with somebody like Gold at the helm.

No, take this from me. Gary Gold may not necessarily glitter, but he’s just what this broken and divided Sharks family needs right now. I hope that he does indeed have the job, as reported.



81 Comments

  • Well, if they do appoint Gold I’ll back the man 100%. Here’s to hoping he can help the union heal after an admittedly ugly year off the field and a mediocre one on it.

    I just hope he works with what he has available in stead of going ‘this is my gameplan, and I’m sticking to it.’ All our loosies aren’t as big as Alberts, and having the three guys line up for successive crash balls never works. Build your gameplan around the players!

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.10.14 10:27:03 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Good one Rob. Ja I don’t really know Gold but ja let’s hope whom ever gets the job can do it and keep on doing it for a while as the Sharks really needs some stability! !!!!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.10.14 10:28:33 by JD Reply
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  • Assuming that he does (have the job), the one person whose support I hope he has more than anyone elses is Brendan Venter :razz:

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.10.14 10:28:49 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 3) : I believe that’s a given.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.10.14 10:31:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 3) : Seeing as him and BV worked together in the past, it would be a match made in heaven. I also believe the both of them will bring back the “family” culture and make the team shine both on and off the field.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.10.14 10:32:57 by Another Nick Reply

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  • I’ve been following Gold’s career and writings off and on since his Bok tenure and the guy has a brain built for rugby no doubt. He used to do some technical video analysis on his website back in the day as a way to help mentor other coaches. Always found those pieces very insightful. So, in short, I have no problem with Gold’s rugby acumen.

    What I do have a slight concern about is that he has done a fair bit of travelling between clubs and there’s an impression (in my mind at least) that he hasn’t really stuck around at any place for too long. That’s also probably why it difficult to associate any successful campaigns with him as coach or DoR.

    If Gold is appointed I won’t complain but I would like to know that he’ll stick around for more than a year or two.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.10.14 10:35:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I am just not overly excited about Gold.

    Do you know if the DOR will also coach the Super 15 team?

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.10.14 10:35:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • “There’s plenty of dirt there which I may or may not choose to use at a later time”

    You going to throw that out there and expect us to patiently await your decision on whether you should share…not cool Rob, not cool at all :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.10.14 10:36:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Many people, myself included, don’t know anything about Gold. But as you said Rob, this might be the best thing for the Sharks right now. I’d much rather have a lesser known coach that includes the players in his thinking and developing a family (and hopefully winning) culture, than some big name guy coming in an blasts his orders around the place.
    So I say, Gary – go for Gold! :razz:

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.10.14 10:37:00 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Another question about JW’s coaching team – is Dr Calder still doing work at the Sharks?

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.10.14 10:37:19 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    Does this mean that our head coach will still be Brad?

    I’m confused as to how exactly this Director of Rugby works. My understanding was that this director is behind the scenes and overseas everything. Enter Jake, and the director sits in the coaching box, does the interviews etc. like the head coach would.

    Does this mean that Gold will take the interviews and be the head coach, or are we going to appoint Brad in that role. Or do we still have time to appoint a coach as well?

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.10.14 10:37:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 8) : Ha! Was actually thinking the exact thing! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.10.14 10:38:07 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @PTAShark (Comment 1) : Same here, I’m tired of seeing a Sharks gameplan fall to pieces because we don’t have a monster of a crashball seven at our disposal. 100% agreed with your statement.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.10.14 10:39:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : good question….. I wonder if Morne will share his insights. Let me take a stab.

    The answer, I think, is “it depends”. In my view, a Director is actually a back-room guy who stays out of the front-line coaching role. That’s what Smal is doing at Province, working on structures, looking at succession planning, ensuring continuity, etc.

    I don’t think the Sharks are going to bring in an additional head coach, though, so I feel that Brad will probably continue to be Gary’s “executive arm” at the Sharks but that Gold will be very much more hands on with the players initially than he will be later on, when Brad’s experience and skills have increased.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.10.14 10:41:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’ve looked into Gold’s history a bit (read his Wikipedia page :lol: ) and it seems like he has what we need. Only time will truly tell, but it can’t be worse than the ‘Jake episode’.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.10.14 10:41:50 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Same as with JW, when you join the Sharks team, you will enjoy my full support (unless you are a mercenary, or journeyman…put my team first, and I’ll back you all the way)

    And I agree that Gold’s seemingly laid back personality will be far more suited to the perceived surfer vibe in Durban.

    Sharks seem to play much better under friendly coaches.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.10.14 10:44:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) :

    Thanks..

    That doesn’t really excite me as much as a new appointment should..

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.10.14 10:53:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : got to bear in mind that having paid out both Plum and the Brumbies (and possibly Jake as well) there might not actually be that much spare cash lying around. That’s why I don’t think we’ll be seeing any other high profile coaches in addition to the DoR.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.10.14 10:55:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : @robdylan (Comment 14) :

    It is pretty much what Rob says. The problem you have is that the DOR role is very tainted and to me personally, a bit of a useless term. My personal feeling is Jake took on the ‘title’ as DOR simply because he did not want to run the risk of someone being appointed above him in the hierarchy which would have had an influence on what he did. He was a head coach for all intent and purpose, not a DOR.

    The role of a DOR is to oversee all on-field aspects of the union. This includes the senior team and coaches, but also the feeder structures at age-group levels. I mentioned before that a DOR is really more a High Performance Manager.

    He ensures the school structures remain strong because they feed the club structures, which feeds the unions amateur teams/structures, U19, U21 and senior team structures – so there is a lot of succession planning that goes into it.

    The DOR essentially delivers ‘the goods’ (players, resources, etc) to the senior team coaches so they can go out and get the results. Both senior coaches and DOR reports to the CEO – coach does not necessarily report to DOR on results or should not in my view.

    If things go pearshaped, you as a CEO looks at whether the coach were given all the tools to succeed (DOR’s job) and if so, why he didn’t (coach’s job) and by that you quickly figure out where the problem is.

    Needless to say, DOR and coach need to be able to work together and share the same vision.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.10.14 10:55:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) :

    There simply aren’t that many good quality coaches available gents – that is a reality. You will find that all unions are rather investing in upskilling the guys they have – it also builds continuity and loyalty.

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.10.14 10:58:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : there’s that too.

    I mean, I keep hearing this “Gold isn’t good enough” talk, without too many alternative suggestions other than the obviously unworkable (Mallett, Mitchell, etc)

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.10.14 11:01:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 19) :

    Thanks Morne, your explanation, along with what Rob said, confirms what I had in my mind as a role for the DOR. White was certainly not a DOR as nothing seems to have changed in the structures below the senior team, and that has set us back another year.

    In your opinion, do you think the Sharks should look at getting a senior coach in, if Gold gets the DOR position. Or would you think that Gold along with the current set of coaches would be able to do a holding job in next season and start performing after the mass exodus after the World Cup next year?

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.10.14 11:02:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I hope we appoint him on a 4 year term. A 4 year contract seems to be the sweet spot, look at all the Bok coaches who had 4 year terms, and similar to that of the All Blacks, Henry got his shot twice in a row. but it still boiled down to the 4 year term.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.10.14 11:03:02 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) :

    I guess that answers my question above..

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.10.14 11:03:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : I would agree that I am one of those, but you just have a way to convince me when you write articles like this one :D

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.10.14 11:04:22 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) :

    Mallet will not coach again, unless at international or test level and that has to be one sweet deal for him to leave his cosy analysis job at SS. I am a fan of Mitchell personally, but you have to ask why he is unwanted in NZ and struggles to find something in SA.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.10.14 11:04:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 25) : well, then I guess I’m doing a good job.

    Maybe email Smitty and tell him how much good I do :)

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.10.14 11:07:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 26) : Mitch, to me, is like “Jake light”. He’s not as much of an outright asshole, but c’mon, you don’t “lose the changeroom” in three successive places unless you’re doing something fundamentally wrong.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.10.14 11:08:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 23) : well, with no confirmation, we have no details, but I can’t honestly believe Smit would be looking at anyone who wasn’t able to or prepared to commit for at least that long

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.10.14 11:11:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 22) :

    Even if there were guys available, I would keep your current coaching team in tact provided that they can and are willing to work together on a common vision and strategy with clear and defined short term and long term goals.

    If some of the goals and strategies falls outside the current coaching group’s immediate expertise, I would get consultants in.

    Now remember I am just speculating here but this is what I would seriously consider assuming BMH and team hit it off with Gold.

    1) Identify your current situation (players, resources, etc) and set out a vision, strategy and brand you are comfortable with and want to adopt to suit this
    2) Set realistic short term goals (top 6 of SR in 2015)
    3) Identify immediate weaknesses in achieving numbers 1 and 2
    4) Approach an experienced individual as a consultant to independently review your points 1, 2 and 3 and act as an advisor to either tweak some of these goals and visions if necessary, but also help implement it in a consultation role (sounding board, periodic reviews etc) – this is where you get in a Brendan Venter
    5) Following the consultation process and review of your ‘plan/strategy/vision’ identify specialist areas you need periodic consultation on (not a full time consultant) – for instance scrums, breakdown, defence, whatever. Get a Pieter de Villiers (scrums), Chean Roux/Richie Gray (line outs/breakdowns) or Jacques Nienaber in during pre-season to assist in any specialist area.
    6) Assess your progress in all areas during your warm-up matches and see if you need continued consultation in one or two more areas.

    Bob’s your aunt

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.10.14 11:16:19 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : simple and sensible….

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.10.14 11:19:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Gimme his email addy, I am sure he would love me mailing him a few of my tips :D

    @robdylan (Comment 29) : Excellent

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.10.14 11:19:57 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : You don’t want to say goodbye to all the old farts at SARU, and come and help us out? :grin:

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.10.14 11:25:08 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I don’t see him winning us the SR title any time soon. Guess I will grow to like him. Let’s at least hope Brenden will form part of the coaching team in some capacity.

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.10.14 11:26:57 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Are the people saying that Gary isn’t good enough providing any particular reasons?

    Seems like many people want an outspoken, lime light seeking, world cup winning coach. (who is not JW). Been a great coach does not mean that person is automatically a great DOR.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.10.14 11:27:01 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : Richie Gray has done wonders for Marcell Coetzee’s game, and the Boks overall. Would he be available to consult to the unions?

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.10.14 11:27:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) :

    You make it sound so easy..

    Thank you for the input, always good reading your insights..

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.10.14 11:28:33 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • My main concern about Gold is the same I had about Cronje – neither has been at any particular club / union for an extended period. Rolling stones gather no moss.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.10.14 11:34:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 33) :

    Not quite yet thanks, some unfinished business and projects here I want to see succeed first ;-)

    @Bokhoring (Comment 36) :

    All Bok coaches, including the specialist mobi guys (Pieter, Chean, Jacques, Louis, Richie) are available to any union/franchise in SA outside of Bok commitments (when they are in competition or on camp/tour) free of charge. It is a commitment we made to unions last year already.

    Teams that have used all of them extensively are the Pukke (Varsity Cup team) and Lions (both 2014 finalist in their respective comps mind you ;) ). The Sharks used Pieter twice I think during SR and so too the Bulls.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.10.14 11:35:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 37) :

    Once you cut through bullshit and ego’s it is really not that complicated believe me.

    And always a pleasure.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.10.14 11:36:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : It is really the same in most businesses actually.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.10.14 11:42:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 39) : I just don’t see any attack coaches on that list?

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.10.14 11:43:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 42) :

    We learn to run with the rugby ball as kids. We learn to sidestep, evade and score tries (mostly in our gardens with friends as one of our heroes on the field).

    Attack in rugby is a skill we learn naturally which is only really refined as we grow older (passing, off-loads, etc improves).

    If you get your set phases, breakdowns and defence in order, attack will come naturally.

    What is taught or coached at this level is your attacking maps and strategies and that is really only a game plan, not a skill.

    I guess I personally do not believe in a specialist attacking coach because if you take care of the 4 basic pillars of rugby at elite level (scrums, line outs, breakdowns and defence) attacking play is a natural by-product.

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.10.14 11:49:54 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : Don’t you believe things like support running and awareness of space is a skill that can be taught? Most of our players idea of attack is long cut-out passes and running into and over defenders.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.10.14 12:04:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 44) : I think that problem comes mostly from the way our rugby is played at school level. In schoolboy teams, the biggest laaitie gets picked because he can basically run over the opponents, they don’t really get to learn to utilize the art of support running, or an inside pass etc, mostly it is get the ball to the big kid as soon as possible. this is a mindset I think that even most South African coaches are still stuck with as well. Compare that to other countries where the schoolboys are devided into weight categories instead of age groups, and they are forced, coached and persuaded to learn those skills. Also I think why guys like Keegan and JB was such good and skillful link players, they knew they did not have the size to bulldoze their opponents, thus had to learn other skills to make it on the rugby field.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.10.14 12:17:18 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : why they cant show faith in home grown people i will never know …

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.10.14 12:21:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 44) :

    I absolutely believe in all that, but again, it is a by-product of a good foundation on your 4 basic pillars.

    Look at the Lions – Whitely had the skills at the Sharks he had now, as did Mnisi. Skosan was as electrifying at the Bulls as he is now with the Lions and Boshoff had the potential back at the Bulls to one day crack a nod as a Bok.

    The questions is, would any of them be as effective as they currently are if it wasn’t for the fact that the Lions has the best scrum, a top line out, dominates at the breakdown and has a very useful defence?

    If you get those 4 basic things right you give players the freedom to off-load, attack space (because suddenly there is loads of it) and all the wonderful things we associate with a great attacking team.

    Compare that to the Sharks who had one successful advantage line gain the entire Currie Cup campaign (if we ignore the Kings game) from a line out where they managed more than 2 phases and you see why attack comes naturally to some and not so much to others.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.10.14 12:26:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 46) :

    Well that is the hard lesson the Lions learned wasn’t it. Nothing beats hard work – and the Lions boys has put in the hard yards over the last 18 months

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  • @Morné (Comment 48) : @Zibbie (Comment 46) :

    And by that I specifically refer to their coaches and Straeuli – not the players.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.10.14 12:30:39 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 49) : It seems that “sabbatical” year has done the Lions a world of good. There is quite an interesting interview with Swys de Bruin about the change in attitude of Lions players and coaches during the Lions Challenge in 2013.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.10.14 12:43:14 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 50) :

    Well when you hit rock bottom there is really only one way you can go (with the right people in charge of course).

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.10.14 12:50:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 39) :

    good to hear the Lions are making use of these coaches/staff :)

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.10.14 12:53:45 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 49) :

    i stared to sweat profusely when it was mentioned that Mitchell was in line for the Sharks job … that could never end well

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.10.14 13:02:25 by Zibbie Reply
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  • i apologies for turning this into a Lions chat . I have contacted Morne on Twitter ..

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.10.14 13:06:16 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 54) : How so? It’s been interesting and enlightening reading so far.

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.10.14 13:15:40 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 55) :

    haha , well if you guys dont mind … I think the Sharks can learn a lot from the Lions past mistakes .

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.10.14 13:26:03 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 56) :

    I have been telling you for how long now your union is on the right track?

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.10.14 13:32:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 56) : For sure :)

    Besides we still need our rugby “hit” and the Sharks are not the ones playing on the weekend.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.10.14 13:36:23 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 57) :

    Sorry … many years of struggle have made me skeptical :p Lets see the Final and next years super rugby . But im starting to feel slightly excited about the future

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.10.14 13:41:07 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 57) : unfortunately this is something that only a few supporters want for the Sharks. The vast majority want instant success, will demand a coaches head and the first sight of failure.

    IE bring in whoever will give us the best chance of winning the SR trophy next year and not care about what is left over post 2015. I’d prefer the Sharks to be on the right track than win SR.

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.10.14 13:46:42 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 60) :

    I have read on this site that some people want Akkers to come and coach the Sharks . That all good and well . But it must be remembered that when he started at the Lions he was not a big name . He is becoming suspenseful because the Lions are sticking with him (And he with the Lions) .

    Back your own boys , they might just make it and be much more loyal than any import .

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.10.14 13:50:12 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 60) :

    Its something that has always fascinated me. You have a much better chance at success if you make small changes than what you do overhauling an entire system or process.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.10.14 13:50:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 59) : I reckon the Lions just need to cut down on handling errors, and they will be a real force in Super rugby.

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.10.14 14:04:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : I think as the players play together and gain confidence this will improve . But then we need to hang onto our players . Starting to look a little bit better at this time

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.10.14 14:10:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : It’s probably not a bad thing! With their scrum, whenever they knock on, the other team has to go into an energy sapping scrum, get pushed off the ball or give away a penalty.

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.10.14 14:12:34 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 65) : When you play teams like most NZ teams (and WP in the Currie Cup) that are lethal on the counter, you may just watch the other team score on the other side.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.10.14 14:23:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) : Which why I’d love to see our current trio of coaches succeed and continue on. With the right boss above them keeping them going in the right direction, good things will come.

    @Zibbie (Comment 61) : Yup. You’ll probably know the general feelings for Akkers far better than me when he first took over and even during the SR when losing something like 7 games in a row? How many supporters were calling for his head?

    If the Lions keep working in the same direction they will definitely contenders for a top 6 finish.

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.10.14 14:30:35 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 66) : yeah I know. Was poking a bit of fun. And SR teams will most likely not get pushed back like what happened to us last weekend.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.10.14 14:34:34 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 67) :

    must say when he was first appointed lots of people had their doubts . But we were just coming of the Mitchell debacle , so he could not have been much worse .

    Dont think anybody was calling for his head with those games . We are use to loosing … :P but we saw what he can do in those first few games , so i think its good to stick with him . Maybe if Gold can guide your CC coaches it might be a good thing .

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.10.14 14:37:13 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I think Gary Gold is a good decision.

    He seems like he has good appreciation for the tactical side of the game, yet is not as restrictive as Jake was.

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.10.14 14:38:55 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 70) : yup.

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.10.14 14:48:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) : This is also one of the things I’ve liked about HM. I said it last year why I back him, and I suspect I’m one of the minority when I say I really hope he continues as Bok coach after the RWC regardless of what happens.

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.10.14 14:48:41 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 70) : As long as his travelling cases are confiscated for the next four years and he’s only issued two Checkers bags for overseas matches, I’d readily agree with you.

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.10.14 14:52:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 72) : Same here, wouldn’t mind him staying on.

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.10.14 14:55:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 72) : His blue tinted shades went awol when the reality of test rugby hit him, so now we can back him, because he couldn’t care from which union he selects his team….as long as they don’t play for the Lions :twisted:

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.10.14 15:11:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 72) : @vanmartin (Comment 74) :

    would be more enthusiastic if he considered more Lions players every now and again …. but ya …

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.10.14 15:11:48 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 75) :

    :lol: :lol: ja ne !!!

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.10.14 15:12:27 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 76) : I have no doubt that HM has Julian Redelinghuys in his cross-hairs. He has the potential to alleviate whats been a huge headache for HM for the past few years.

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.10.14 15:23:52 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 76) : Definitely, I have and still do disagree with some of his selections but I do also realise that he won’t be able to please everyone. Would dearly love to see some of the Lions forwards getting call-ups.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.10.14 15:27:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 76) : @gregkaos (Comment 78) : @vanmartin (Comment 79) :

    Well you will just have to wait until Monday to see then hey…

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.10.14 15:29:16 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 80) :

    that almost sounds positive !

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.10.14 15:32:40 by Zibbie Reply
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