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The irreplacables: 2015 edition


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 Jan 2015 at 10:30
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Injury: it’s a factor in every Super Rugby campaign. There’s not a lot you can really do about it, other than do as much as you can in pre-season to ensure the bodies are strong and then hope like hell that a bit of good luck and a lot of depth gets you through the season.

Injury is a cruel mistress though. No squad can ever be uniformly deep across all positions – the nature of the professional game makes it incredibly hard to keep quality players in a system where they know they have to play second fiddle. Most years, you’ll start off with a lot of depth in some positions, while there will be others where an injury or two could leave you exposed. That’s kind of where the luck comes into the equation – it’s not that you hope for no injuries; rather, you hope for injuries only in those positions where you have sufficient depth.

The Sharks have bought well during the off-season in the areas where they could, to the effect that they now boast great depth amongst the tight forwards. Lock, in particular, has been nicely shored up and now looks like an area of strength, rather than weakness. Other positions, though, are not as well covered.

Let’s look at the five “irreplaceable” players for the Sharks in 2015; those guys whose continued fitness is vital to the cause, simply because there isn’t enough (experienced) cover in the squad in their positions.

Marcell Coetzee. In a squad ravaged by loose forward departures over the last year, Coetzee remains the only open side option proven at this level. Francois Kleinhans and Khaya Majola are the backups and while promising, neither has yet played Super Rugby.
Cobus Reinach. The oft-uninspiring Conrad Hoffmann aside, Reinach’s understudies for the scrumhalf position are a trio of greenhorns in Stefan Ungerer, Cameron Wright and Hanco Venter. All three show great promise, but the squad is seriously lacking in experience in the vital number 9 position.
S’bura Sithole. With Paul Jordaan sidelined, Sithole (who just last year was still a struggling wing) now stands alone as the outside centre option in the squad. JP Pietersen is a stopgap, while it remains to be seen how well Waylon Murray steps up in his second life at the Sharks. Youngsters Tyler Fisher and Neil Maritz have a golden opportunity to stake a claim.
Lwazi Mvovo. We have the opposite problem here, in that Lwazi’s back-up – the likes of Tondie Chavhanga and Odwa Ndungane – perhaps have a little too much “experience” and not quite as much left in the tank as we’d like. There are other options – I’m thinking mostly of the untried Jack Wilson – but the Sharks lack another winger of Mvovo’s proven quality.
SP Marais. After a forgettable 2014, we’re going to see a different SP this year. He’s going to need to be at his best, because recognised fullback options in the squad are thin on the ground. Jaco van Tonder is the only other specialist in the position, while Lionel Cronje and Tim Swiel may both find themselves spending more of their season at 15 than at 10.

Let’s raise a glass to each one in the hope that the injury gods will spare them particularly this year.



329 Comments

  • Here’s to hoping we have a relatively injury free season. Especially Coetzee!

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.01.15 10:40:02 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Even though we do have some cover at 10 (although not nearly in the same class if last year was anything to go on), I really hope Lambie can have a completely injury free season this year as well, the WC included!

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.01.15 10:57:14 by HeinF Reply

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  • Let’s hope Lambie is also without the injury curse this year.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.01.15 10:57:47 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Thankfully Lwazi and Marcell seem to be blessed when it comes to injuries, I really respect Coetzee’s body for the damage it takes and how he continues to deliver – its weird how much can change in a season, where the ebbs and flows of player movement affect depth so greatly. Quite eye opening to see how exposed we are in the outside backs. Both JPP and Sbura have massive season’s ahead of them – JPP especially has a lot to prove – he had a rather green 2014 Sharks season.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.01.15 11:05:22 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • I hope we see Tyler Fisher at 13 for the Sharks, this kid is the real deal. Would love to see a combination of him and Esterhuizen together. But then again I am a big fan of Frans at 12. Nice problem to have.

    Play Sithole and JP on the wing.

    A Sharks backline of: 15. SP 14. JP 13. Fisher 12. Esterhuizen 11. Sithole 10. Lambie 9. Reinach…with a bench of Wright, Swiel and Frans would be my call

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.01.15 11:06:44 by Saffex Reply

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  • Yeah, I agree we don’t have specialist or proven cover for these positions, I still feel as though, we would be able to cover all these positions fairly well, if one of them should go down.

    Marcell, remember until recently was a blindside himself, with Bothma coming in and Botha and Giant creating proper depth in the second row, we could expect a shuffle to cover Marcell to give him a game or two of or cover if he has a niggle, but yes, it seems actually the backrow, with Jean and Keegan leaving, is one of our weakest in the depth category, which means some of the second row, might have to do duty in the backrow PSDT/Oosthuizen comes to mind.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.01.15 11:08:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 5) : And just leave Mvovo out? He’s been the best wing for the Sharks for the last 2 years at least. If you want to go that way then have Mvovo at 15.

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.01.15 11:11:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 6) :

    Maybe we should have looked at openside cover in some of the smaller unions. Marnus Schoeman could have been a good option for us. I know he is very raw and can give away a lot of penalties, but it might have been worth a shot to give him a trial like Giant and see how he goes, unless he is already signed by another union.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.01.15 11:11:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 6) : Keegan and Deysel were massive losses. Deysel had found some form, and Keegan was unrelenting with massive character – sad day when those boys left us. Going to be weird not seeing them this season, but some boys have a chance to shine in #6 & #7 this year. Fairly confident with #8 – hope Tera has a blinder of a season. I have big hopes for him.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.01.15 11:12:10 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 5) : Quite a contentious backline squire – your picks though :)

    15: Mvovo
    14. JPP
    13. Murray
    12. Frans Steyn
    11. Sbura Sithole
    10. Patrick Lambie
    9. Cobus

    21. Esterhuizen
    22. Swiel
    23. Wright

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.01.15 11:14:55 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 10) : I really think S’bu should concentrate on 13 rather. SA rugby really lack decent 13′s and I reckon the Sharks should keep developing S’bu at 13.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.01.15 11:17:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I think we have the best cover at no9 if Cobus get injured.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.01.15 11:18:48 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I’m hoping SP does well, but am also hoping the coaches are looking at someone who can step right in if he continues as he left of last year. Mvovo to 15, or … I don’t know, but I really don’t want to see SP playing game after game if he plays like he did last year.

    I also don’t have much faith that Swiel can step in at 15 and do much better than last year – he’s been playing 10 in Europe. If anything it would have to be Lionel or Mvovo (which then means JPP – when he returns and Chivanga/Sithole/Odwa/Wilson on the wings, but either JPP or Sithole might still have to play 13).

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.01.15 11:21:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : Yeah, I must say I actually agree with you, I think he has what it takes, and I think he himself enjoys the position more – but that said, give him space on the left wing and he is electric, that 2012 try VS the Cheetahs in the Currie Cup comes to mind, if you can play him at 11 with a gameplan like The ABs use Julian Savea would be incredible – the jersey is just a number – I say this because I really feel that Mvovo is an incredible 15 in the making, safe as houses under the high ball, a boot that can mix it up between siege and tactical and the space to attack and analyze. Waylon is a specialist 13 and I enjoyed how he used his hands and feet, Sbura still looks for contact and dies with the ball…

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.01.15 11:21:47 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 10) :

    That backline seems about right, but Frans and JPP will not be available for the first few weeks. Leave them out and selecting a backline becomes a little more tricky.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.01.15 11:23:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 15) : That it does, I think Waylon, Sbura, Tondi, Esterhuizen, Fischer and Heimar Williams have a real opportunity to show what they are made of here. Good competition amongst the lower ranks – can only be good for the well-being of the squad.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.01.15 11:26:12 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 13) :

    Oh I forget – Frans can still shift to 15 and Lambie – although, I must admit, I am tired of shuffling players around. I really hope the coaches aren’t banking on utility players to cover important positions.

    JP 14/13/15
    Steyn 12/10/15
    Lambie 10/12/15
    Mvovo 11/15
    Sithole 13/14
    Odwa 14/15
    Waylon 13/12/14
    Wilson 14/15

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.01.15 11:27:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 17) : You also have quality inside centres in Heimar and Esterhuizen. So squad not looking too bad… I just hope the well paid Japan boys arrive hungry – I must say, I was absolutely disgusted with JPP last season. He looked disinterested – maybe harsh – but I hold him to an exceptionally high standard – that and the jersey.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.01.15 11:34:31 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 14) : I hear you but we have no idea what sort of form Waylon is in. I haven’t seen him play in years. If Waylon is in the form he was when he left the Sharks then it’s a different story but he couldn’t even crack the Bulls CC team even on the bench.And even if he is playing good rugby how long will it be before he’s injured again?

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.01.15 11:40:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 18) : don’t disagree with you

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.01.15 11:40:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • After not seeing him much last year, I’m actually itching to see what Williams can do at 12 again. I think he has some real talent and did really well last year when he got the chance.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.01.15 11:41:45 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 19) : you make valid points Squire, I will most certainly not complain if Sbu gets his 13 jumper – I see you see that as a long term plan, and I do agree with you, with a fit Paul Jordaan, do you perhaps move him into the 11 jersey – must say we do have some attacking flair at our disposal. Yes, maybe it is overly ambitious for me to want to push Waylon into the 13 channel, especially as you say he has had a horror run – I have that soft spot for him, but he must prove himself. That being said, my backline selection was based on everyone being in peak.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.01.15 11:46:43 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 21) : agree. He’s a very, very good player. The most “Dick Muir like” of the current Sharks centres.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.01.15 11:46:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : There are 2 JPP’s one being incredible, one being absolutely shocking… He might be French ;) or too close a friend with Freddy.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.01.15 11:49:52 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Not that this is in any way the backline I would pick but could you imagine the pace in a backline of:

    9. Reinach
    10. Swiel
    11. Chavanga
    12. Jordaan
    13. Sithole
    14. Pietersen
    15. Mvovo

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.01.15 11:54:36 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 25) : We do indeed have gas to burn with a backline like that, if their defense was up to it you could unleash this team in Bloem and Perth on the flat decks.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.01.15 11:57:16 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Coetzee cannot play every game or he will break down for sure. So id love to see a ‘youngster’ given a chance at 6 as well at 15 and 13. Its amazing how much 1 or 2 new guys will bring energy wise to a team of experienced heads. Im not saying throw every young guy in but 1 or 2 is good. And by ‘youngster’ i mean anyone under 30!

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.01.15 12:00:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Hoo Boy, other than for Marcell Coetzee, the others tend to blow hot and cold most of the time and when you have them as irreplaceables a big slap of reality sets in.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.01.15 12:01:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 28) : This season is a reality check. Outside backs, Openside and Blindside are indeed eye openers, if the squad players can get some consistency, we will be okay, and consistency comes with game time, so its a tough one to balance.

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.01.15 12:03:46 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 28) : Spot on

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.01.15 12:04:55 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 30) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 28) : Lwazi Mvovo is fairly consistent, his work rate just needs upping – which is why I advocate him as a 15 – if he gets involved in the game he is an asset. Cobus needs to balance his game, he needs to remember he is the feeder channel and needs to put less pressure on himself, but I think Lambie will be the shot caller… keeps the momentum rolling. Lambie is actually the Kingpin – there may be back-up, but he is the general. A big season is expected of him.

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.01.15 12:10:06 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 7) : No, don’t see Mvovo as a 15 at all. I like Mvovo, so it would be between him and Sithole on the wing

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.01.15 12:21:29 by Saffex Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 10) : Murray at 13, ahead of Fisher or Sithole, no way in hell. Murray could not even make the Bulls CC side. Good player in his day but his day is done

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.01.15 12:22:52 by Saffex Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 26) : The Bloom boys have some pace to burn themselves which could make for a high scoring affair if the unknown quantity (Cheetah pack) can stand up and be counted.

    a Cheetahs backline of:
    9. Sarel (Venter)
    10. Joe Pietersen (Watts/du Plessis)
    11. Rhule (Sergeal Petersen)
    12. Venter (Mike vd Spuy/Engelbrecht)
    13. Sadie (JP du Plessi/JW Jonker)
    14. Cornal Hendricks (Benjamin)
    15. Willie le Roux (Coenie van Wyk/GouwsPrinsloo/Joe Pietersen)

    also have plenty of pace, and could be lethal given enough ball.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.01.15 12:25:05 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 34) : Joe at 10?

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.01.15 12:39:52 by Saffex Reply

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  • what is happening with our front row stocks?

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.01.15 12:40:09 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Dunx (Comment 36) : how do you mean?

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.01.15 12:42:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Stormers:

    15. Taute 14. v/Wyk 13. Howard 12. de Allende 11. Kolbe 10. Catrakillis 9. Groom

    Bulls:

    15. Visser 14. Jessie Kriel 13. JJ 12. Serfontein 11. Odendaal 10. Pollard 9. Hougaard

    Lions:

    15. Coetzee 14. Mapoe 13. Stokkies Hanekom 12. Mnisi 11. Skosan 10. Jantjies 9. Faf de Klerk

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.01.15 12:44:40 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 5) : @Pokkel (Comment 7) : I’m with Pokkel on this one…I wouldn’t pick Sithole ahead of Mvovo!

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.01.15 12:56:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : Agreed, Sbu for 13…

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.01.15 13:00:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The biggest irreplacable for me would be Marcell…and, as I have said for several weeks now, the most concerning position in the squad is fullback…

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.01.15 13:13:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 31) : You are right, I gave Mvovs a bad rap. He has been consistantly good at wing and fullback, even though I have little confidence in him at 15, he has proved me wrong at all times

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.01.15 13:49:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 41) : What I wouldn’t give to have Ludik back in the team this year! What is actually amazing is that in Lambie and Frans Steyn we have 2 players with the ability to play FB at international level, but that is not their best positions *according to me anyway). Marais just needs to step up this year…

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.01.15 13:58:02 by HeinF Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 31) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 42) : I think Mvovo is great, he does lack in the kicking department. Something he has worked hard on the last few seasons, which makes him allot better than before. However I feel he is still not on international standard with regards to his kicking. Something we need.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.01.15 14:20:31 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 35) : Yes, Joe is looking like the Cheetah first choice flyhalf.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.01.15 14:37:54 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 38) : Howard is at Munster, I think. Should’ve grabbed him.

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 34) : Lethal too, no doubting it. Cheetahs need a big season, as last year they didn’t deliver – their defense needs fixing, and their attack needs more direction, having Le Roux as an axis with Carte Blanche is not a game-plan, I will be watching them closely.

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.01.15 14:44:48 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • These are my 5 irreplaceable players,Bismark,Willem Alberts,P.S.D.T,Pat Lambie,Jannie ,each of these players would be first picks in any team in the world,sorry guys like S.P and Reinarch would find it hard to make the Southern Kings first XV

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.01.15 14:45:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 32) : Got to love it, their has to be place for both of them to play especially when Jordaan is fit, not sure how long he will still be out for.

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.01.15 14:46:51 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 33) : I’ll write this date down, and keep an open mind. I also wouldn’t tell him that. I give everyone a chance, he has a chance to prove himself, I’ve rationalized why I would select him, as I believe he has a job to do until Jordaan is fit.

    Then the backline needs to shuffle, and he would need to be content with being a squad player.

    If fit and all available this would be my first choice backline:

    15. Lwazi Mvovo
    14. JP Pietersen
    13. Sbura Sithole / Paul Jordaan
    12. Francois Steyn
    11. Sbura Sithole / Paul Jordaan
    10. Patrick Lambie (V/C)
    9. Cobus Reinach

    I really think Mvovo can have a shot at FB, but we need to keep in mind that Bryan Habana is soon retiring, so I am sure he might want that 11 jumper. There would be less debate if a thoroughbred 15 was making his mark, but alas, SP Marais is not exactly filling me with confidence – if he can become consistent – well then perhaps, but he is not a classic XV and prone to brain farts, and poor decisions & worst of all, a 15 that runs laterally.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.01.15 14:52:25 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : The first choice tight 5 is immensely important, have to agree with Alberts too, we can’t afford for him to go down given that Deysel is big in Japan.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.01.15 14:53:40 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 42) : Yeah, if we had an out and out Fullback, Mvovo is a no brainer at 11, but considering the talent at our disposal such as Jordaan (when fit) and Sbu’ra – I am comfortable in putting him at FB to accommodate all these players on the field at once. Any given Sunday would I choose Lwazi over SP, and on any given Sunday would I have both Jordaan and Sbura on at the same time (and Jordaan is not an inside centre) – that position is for 1) Steyn 2) Heimar 3) Esterhuizen

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.01.15 14:56:32 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 50) :

    I tend to agree with the feel of that backline. I just don’t like SP at 15. Although I thought he might do big things with the Sharks when he initially came, his game is to much of a “risk” to be played every week.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.01.15 15:01:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • With Frans and JPP out for the first few weeks maybe this as a backline:?

    15 SP/Lionel
    14 Chivanga
    13 Sithole/Waylon
    12 Esterhuizen/Williams
    11 Mvovo
    1o Lambie

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.01.15 15:03:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 53) : Indeed, he may just have a blinder of a season, but I feel he is under a lot of pressure to produce the goods. That backline I selected to me almost selects itself, each one of those players is a must in the run on team – I feel it is potent on attack – and will definitely hold its own on defense, where I think Patrick, JPP, and Frans need to make sure #13 doesn’t slip – Jordaan and Sbura are good on defense in CC, but SR they have been found wanting, teams will be looking to exploit us with strike runners in the #13 channel.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.01.15 15:04:40 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 52) : Agree

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.01.15 15:05:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 43) : Yup…

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.01.15 15:06:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 51) :

    Who to select a 4/5?

    4. Botha/Oosthuizen/PSTD
    5. PSDT/Lewies/Lewies/Giant

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.01.15 15:08:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 54) : I think that is your backline squad for the first 4 weeks or “first block”

    15 SP/Lionel/Swiel
    14 Chivanga/Oddies
    13 Sithole/Waylon
    12 Esterhuizen/Williams/Lionel
    11 Mvovo/Jack Wilson
    10 Lambie/Zeilinger/Swiel/Lionel
    9. Reinach / Wright / Ungerer

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.01.15 15:08:22 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 58) :

    #4 Lewies
    #5 PSDT

    #16 Oosthuizen

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.01.15 15:09:57 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 59) :

    Yes, I suppose those first 4 weeks will then also be SP’s opportunity to prove he should not be replaced when JPP and Steyn returns. If he is on form then Chivanga falls out. If not, Mvovo to fullback.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.01.15 15:11:04 by Letgo Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : I think Rob’s point was not to name the 5 best players, but to identify those positions in which we would have serious trouble in case of injuries to the first choice players because of thevlack of de

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.01.15 15:11:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 60) :

    I prefer Lewies at 5, but also like the Lewies/PSDT combo.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.01.15 15:12:02 by Letgo Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : I think Rob’s point was not to name the 5 best players, but to identify those positions in which we would have serious trouble in case of injuries to the first choice players because of the lack of depth in those positions. Given that criteria, I think he got it pretty much spot on…

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  • Kanko also returns late, so I think Tera and Bothma will get their opportunity in the first few weeks.Either Tera or Bothma will drop out of the 22 completely once Kanko is here (that is if Kanko is still first choice 8, which I believe he will be).

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.01.15 15:14:53 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 61) : Yep. @Letgo (Comment 63) : I do like the Lewies / PSDT combo, I feel Lewies is quite versatile, but PSDT must play #5 to be heir to the Matfield crown. Oosthuizen too is quite versatile and can slip into #4 lock when PSDT goes off after 65 minutes, then Lewies to #5 to close the game out.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.01.15 15:15:17 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 65) : I like the prospect of Tera starting and Bothma on the bench, sadly the Hoff wave has sailed on me – he needs to produce, but Tera is the man with Bothma on the bench – impact ala Deysel.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.01.15 15:16:25 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 46) : Yes Howard is at Munster on a 3 month loan. much like Swiel is with Quins. Both getting game time.

    I read that Howard wants to stay at Munster, which is sad as he is a class player who has been under utilised by useless Coetzee at WP

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.01.15 15:17:32 by Saffex Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : My point as well,if any of the 5, I mentioned go down we are up the creek,much more so than if we lost S.P and Reinarch who would not be my first choices even if they were fit.
    I thought the team suffered terribly last year when we lost P.S.D.T.,and every time Alberts and Lambie were out we lost yards,Bismark is such a talisman,whenever he has a good game the team does as well,and Jannie is there to make certain Bissy has the backup to have a good game.

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.01.15 15:20:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 34) : sounds like it should be an ok backline.

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.01.15 15:21:45 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 50) : SP showed early promise but then faded in a big way. Talented player that needs faith and investment in him. Mvovo is no 15, he does not have the rugby nous to play 15. He can do a job but that’s it. No longterm solution there.

    Jordaan is good but not at centre, he is not physical enough for the role. His spot is on the wing. Fruen made a meal of him at centre a few seasons ago….he was sorely exposed at 13.

    The Sharks have plenty to work with at centre with Frans, Esterhuizen, Sithole, Fisher and Williams…..no need to look further

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.01.15 15:27:39 by Saffex Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 69) : Indeed, we have quality players, and those you mentioned need to be well managed and stay fit.

    1. Beast
    2. Bismarck Du Plessis
    3. Jannie Du Plessis
    4. Lewies
    5. PSDT
    6. Marcell
    7. Alberts
    8. Tera
    9. Cobus Reinach
    10. Lambie
    11. Paul Jordaan
    12. Frans Steyn
    13. Sbura Sithole
    14. JPP
    15. Mvovo

    16. Kyle Cooper
    17. Thomas the Tank
    18. Adriaanse
    19. Bothma
    20. Oosthuizen
    21. Cameron Wright
    22. Tim Swiel / Zeilinga
    23. Andre Esterhuizen

    Frankly, I shudder losing any of these players.
    Interesting that you don’t consider Reinach a Super Rugby quality scrumhalf, why?

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.01.15 15:28:22 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Marcell will leave a huge hole if he gets injured. Really hope he will stay injury free not only for the Sharks but also for the Bokke.

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.01.15 15:28:30 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 71) : so if I read between the lines, the elephant in the room is right wing and fullback.

    Unless 11. Mvovo 14. Jordaan 15. (…)

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.01.15 15:30:48 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 71) : Although I think you give Mvovo a bit too little credit. I think he has what it takes at 15.

    1) High Ball (yes)
    2) Sense of space (yes)
    3) Left foot (yes)
    4) Speed (yes)
    5) Defense (yes)
    6) Direct runner (yes)
    7) Good pass left / right (no)
    8) Good chip kick (yes)
    9) Good ball control (catch & collect) grubber offensive or defensive (yes)
    10) Positional play (no)

    Easy to work on the 2 shortfalls 8/10 ain’t bad, consider Israel has no trained left boot, and is found wanting on positional defense.

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.01.15 15:35:15 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 72) : nice team!!!

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.01.15 15:36:12 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 76) : I think they select themselves, just some positional gripes we need to put to bed, I can’t leave Jordaan, Sithole or Mvovo out, and I have no second thoughts about putting Lwazi at FB to accommodate some express pace out wide. Huge X-factor, good balance, enough experience, I think this is a good mix. Interesting to see what will pan out.

    I don’t have space in my team for Kanko, and wish it were Deysel or Daniel coming home in his place. No disrespect to the player, but I feel he doesn’t fit with my game plan, but I am not a senior rugby coach – and if I can give Waylon a chance, I suppose we can give Kanko (another) a chance.

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.01.15 15:40:21 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 71) : Have to agree, what a waste.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.01.15 15:41:31 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 75) : yes Mvovo could make a good 15 but then SP must shift to wing to get some game time whilst the Sharks wait for JPP and Steyn to return.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.01.15 15:43:18 by JD Reply
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  • I think Jordaan needs to focus on wing and fullback. I’m also very excited about this Ronaldo Bothma. He might be the signing of the season.

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.01.15 15:45:08 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • guys, no return date has yet been communicated for Paul Jordaan. Read between the lines.

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.01.15 15:46:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 77) : have to disagree if you plan on playing open attack rugby Kanko is a must. That is what he’s made to do, I think Kanko was pressed into playing a crash ball role that did not fit his game. Well at least I hope I’m correct! !!

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.01.15 15:49:09 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 79) : If they do have SP and Mvovo on the same team sheet, it would be counter productive to have them swap positions. SP needs to fight it out at fullback and fullback alone, he puts too much pressure on himself to sit on the wing and think “this is not where I want to be” – I don’t want to see him staring at the big screen doing the rain dance and pulling out his hair – its not good for the fans, the team and him. I think Lwazi needs to put pressure on the 15 jumper and SP needs to accept there is competition, and whilst JPP and Frans Steyn are overseas, the squad players need to fight it out for wing and inside centre.

    (excluding Steyn and JPP):

    15. SP / Mvovo / Fischer / Cronje / Swiel
    14. Odwa / Chavanga / Sithole / Wilson
    13. Sithole / Jordaan (fit) / Fischer / Murray
    12. Esterhuizen / Williams / Lionel Cronje
    11. Mvovo / Wilson / Chavanga / Jordaan

    SP needs to FIFO (fit in or F*** off)

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.01.15 15:49:59 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : so let’s just say he will miss Super rugby 2015?!?!?!?!

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.01.15 15:50:29 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 82) : When last did you see Kanko play a game of Kanko? When last did you see him win a game for us? A vintage Kanko is a must, but a vintage Kanko has been missing in action for sometime, if the coaches and the plan can bring the best out of him, then I will acknowledge that, but pound for pound Tera and Bothma are ahead of him in the pecking order.

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.01.15 15:52:21 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : I.E: we play selector without PJ for quite some time. Noted, thanks Rob.

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.01.15 15:52:58 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : Is that the last we have seen of him then?

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.01.15 15:53:12 by durbsguy Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 83) : for the first game I’d go for:
    15 SP
    14 Chavanga/Wilson
    13 Sithole
    12 Heimar
    11 Mvovo
    10 Pat
    9 Cobus
    Bench: Cameron, Cronje & Andre.

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.01.15 15:57:21 by JD Reply
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  • Rob, unrelated but I’m curious as to whether JP Pietersen will be available for our rugby Championship because it falls at a different time this year, but his contract says that after SR he has to go to Japan. In other words, will he be a part of our RWC lead up?

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.01.15 15:59:56 by David12246 Reply

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  • @durbsguy (Comment 87) : Rob can’t commit to that, as its a race against time, and rehabbing a serious injury – a hip fracture affects so much of a person’s motion, so obviously a long term injury with the hope that he will be fit to play in Super Rugby 2015 before soon, but its clear that the opening 8 weeks are out – so block 1 & 2 = no PJ.

  • Comment 90, posted at 14.01.15 16:01:22 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 85) : yes maybe they are but they’re totally deferent types of players. Tera and Bothma is physical type of players and Kanko is more a running player. I really hope with the new coaching structures that they can vet Kanko back to his best.

  • Comment 91, posted at 14.01.15 16:02:46 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 88) : I like it. I may tend to agree with you regarding inside centre, Heimar is a classic inside centre and a better 60 minute player; where Andre can be a super-sub, something I feel he will be throughout Super Rugby 2015.

    I think Tondie will be used as a left wing, with Odders and Wilson on the right – but hey, that is semantics, think you’ve got it right.

  • Comment 92, posted at 14.01.15 16:03:59 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 91) : Buddy, not going to argue there, as a classic Kanko is a thing of beauty – if he is back to his best, don’t be surprised to see Ronaldo Bothma be a specialist 7 as back-up to Alberts as Deysel was.

  • Comment 93, posted at 14.01.15 16:05:27 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 93) : ja it maybe a dream but hope that’s what happens.

  • Comment 94, posted at 14.01.15 16:13:33 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 94) : We’re Sharks fans, dreaming is in our blood. ;)

  • Comment 95, posted at 14.01.15 16:15:42 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 92) : I think Heimar and Andre is the future 12′s for thr Sharks as I’m sure Frans will be gone after the World cup so I hope they both get some game time before he returns. For now however I feel that Heimar is just a more rounded player and should start the first few games.

  • Comment 96, posted at 14.01.15 16:18:33 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 95) : lol ja boet but I think one day our dreams will come true! !!!

  • Comment 97, posted at 14.01.15 16:21:07 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 96) : Yep. I think this is Fransie’s last season, and if he can atone for 2007, then he can leave.
    Can’t agree more regarding Heimar and Andre, I don’t think he’s ready for a start in a big game, whilst Heimar has already proven his class, I am excited for what these boys offer us going forward.

  • Comment 98, posted at 14.01.15 16:22:07 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 97) : Ons moet maar hoop, want dit maak seer om te se dat ons noggie daai ding in ons kabinet he nie. Volgende drie jaar moet ons in elke finaal wees, plus 1 wen. Ons is te goed, te groot om nie die Crusaders gas te gee. Ek praat nooit oor daai anders in Pretoria nie, nooit.

  • Comment 99, posted at 14.01.15 16:24:42 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 98) : me too. Some good youngsters at the Sharks just need to take care of them!!!

  • Comment 100, posted at 14.01.15 16:24:50 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 99) : waai ander in Pta?!?!?! Daar’s niks goeds in daai plek om oor te praat nie, behalwe die N3 Natal toe!!!

  • Comment 101, posted at 14.01.15 16:28:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 101) : Ja Meneer. Daai N3 is ‘n wonderwerk, maar ek dink hy begin in JHB, PTA kan nie daai wan hulle vat nie. Daar is ook praat van ‘n losskakel wat die toekoms is, maar Pat het net gehuil met die lag.. ;)

  • Comment 102, posted at 14.01.15 16:35:05 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Has anyone just seen the Super Rugby teaser? I think I just shot my load off… Skyrim fan, plus rugby fan, plus Willem Alberts – I die.

  • Comment 103, posted at 14.01.15 16:41:51 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 102) : ja maar Pat moet net werk aan sy stel skoppe!!!!

  • Comment 104, posted at 14.01.15 16:43:45 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 104) : He does, he does, he lets some sitters go by, but game time, game time, game time – I have a good feeling for Pat this year. He should be an 80% plus kicker – and can.

    He has the mental game, his technique lets him down too much, I get the sense he over-thinks each kick, instead of feeling it.

  • Comment 105, posted at 14.01.15 16:45:36 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 105) : yes it’s true I hope he gets some good game time and stays injury free and with Fred pushing him he could really take a step into a higher level.

  • Comment 106, posted at 14.01.15 16:48:18 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 106) : Yes, he thrives off competition and he thrives off leadership.
    They need to entrust tactical game plan to him, each and every kick within 50 meters, and each touch kick off a penalty + free-kick. Plus he’s staying with us until 2017 at least, so I think he can develop into the perfect 10, more Wilko than DC.

  • Comment 107, posted at 14.01.15 16:50:35 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 84) : not confirmed, but a safe bet.

    @DarkDestroyer (Comment 86) : unless you want to be disappointed.

    @durbsguy (Comment 87) : a step too far at this stage, but it has to be on the list of possibilities.

  • Comment 108, posted at 14.01.15 16:51:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 105) : yes he’s got the temperament but needs to practice kicking in games as he has had very little game time during the last two seasons.

  • Comment 109, posted at 14.01.15 16:52:13 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) : really hope he recovers and stay with the Sharks as he could be a real asset for the future! !!

  • Comment 110, posted at 14.01.15 16:56:04 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 107) : both Wilko and DC are world class players and to have him play as good as either would be super and yes I do believe with enough game time he could be as good as both of them.

  • Comment 111, posted at 14.01.15 16:59:06 by JD Reply
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  • Totally of rugby big congratulations to tbe Dolphins captain Morne van Wyk on his maiden T20 hundred! !!!! Well done and well deserved! !!!!

  • Comment 112, posted at 14.01.15 19:30:53 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 59) : Yay, at last Zeilinger is mentioned! I did not know that Swiel was coming back! – and for a moment, reading all the comments, I thought maybe Zeilinger had left! My choice for flyhalf LAMBIE; Lionel Cronje; Zeilinger; then only Swiel. I also think Lambie must ONLY play at No 10. We don’t want a jack of all trades and master of none.

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  • @[email protected] (Comment 113) : geez forgot about Fred when I did my back line. Would trade Fred for Cronje.

  • Comment 114, posted at 14.01.15 20:39:24 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 35) : That is apparently why he has been contracted. Think Willie duP has potential, but needs to be eased into that role. Watts is also a useful player, but Joe’s accuracy off the tee, gives him an edge.

    Agree, Cheetahs were woeful last year!

  • Comment 115, posted at 14.01.15 21:14:35 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 70) : Hey Bud, Its a new team all over again lol. Don’t quite know what to expect. Some good depth in the backs for sure. Wouldn’t mind having Rob Ebersohn back, but such us life.

    Its in the pack where we are short quality locks, and the back up props are untried. Cheetahs are the French of SA Rugby… expect them to flop, and they play out of their skins, an then when you think they should do well, they flop!! None is giving them a chance next year, maybe they can surprise?

  • Comment 116, posted at 14.01.15 21:21:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Hope this season pans out as well as we all hope it will.

  • Comment 117, posted at 14.01.15 21:23:06 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 116) : you’re 100% correct as their playing style is also simular. Think Cheetahs could have an ok season if you don’t get to many injuries.

  • Comment 118, posted at 14.01.15 21:46:02 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 115) : must say I’m not sure about Joe at 10 but playing him at 15 will mean a shift for Willie.

  • Comment 119, posted at 14.01.15 21:52:41 by JD Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 117) : ja boet we can only hope!!!!!!!

  • Comment 120, posted at 14.01.15 21:53:39 by JD Reply
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  • Didn’t realise how bad Paul’s injury was. The Xray with the screws is shocking! Get well soon lad.

  • Comment 121, posted at 15.01.15 03:13:28 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 69) : I can’t really argue with that! :)

  • Comment 122, posted at 15.01.15 07:49:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 77) : The chances that Jordaan will play Super Rugby in 2015 are slim…

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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 80) : Agreed on the Bothma thing!

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 83) : Well said…SP must fight it out at FB. And the thing is, under Gold and Venter, he may be able to do it. Let’s see…

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  • @JD (Comment 112) : How brilliant was that?!

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 125) : Yep, this is a big season for SP – everyone is entitled to a bad season, that is sport, that is life – he replaced a favorite son in Louis Ludik, so all eyes were definitely on him. Given that there is such a dearth at fullback in country and that our Bok incumbent is also erratic, I feel that Mvovo can truly stake a claim – this, along with Sbura either gunning Habana’s vacant jersey, or putting pressure on 13, but I think that Jan Serfontein could become a quality 13 for both Bok and Bulls, if Bulls play him there – Frans Steyn should be the Bok 12, but that is a different story.

  • Comment 127, posted at 15.01.15 09:51:40 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @[email protected] (Comment 113) : Yep; Zeilinga has a big season ahead of him too, he needs to play back up and put Swiel under pressure, Cronje will be a utility back and Swiel will be used at 10/15 – so Freddy can have a big season. I chose Swiel on my bench for his versatility, but Fred can also put his hand up in that regard. Great season ahead, there may not be big names behind our superstars, but the fight for the next big thing is huge, there is a lot of competition for back-up places.

  • Comment 128, posted at 15.01.15 09:53:58 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 111) : His destiny is firmly in his hands, he’s no longer the new kid on the block – He has almost 40 Bok caps… So he needs to stand up and be the man – the Morne Steyn era is over, and now he and Pollard have to fight it out. Pat needs to put this campaign to bed and be the man for WC 2015.

  • Comment 129, posted at 15.01.15 09:59:26 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 125) : Its indeed seeming so, very sad. The man needs to regain his fitness and do his thing… Wishing PJ the best of luck during his rehab :(

  • Comment 130, posted at 15.01.15 10:02:34 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 44) : I agree with you, and he needs to work on a few more aspects of his game. His offloading his good, but he needs to work on a pass and a more educated left boot, he also needs to work on his positional play, but that can be worked on, so I remain confident that he can up his game, and if he increases his appetite for work (i.e. a bigger work rate) then he can move into platinum class, if Israel Folau can have glaring inefficiencies; and be a world beater – I think Lwazi can definitely step it up.

  • Comment 131, posted at 15.01.15 10:21:10 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • How close a Bok team is to a Sharks team (personal choice) – shows the power of this team.

    1. Beast
    2. Bismarck Du Plessis
    3. Jannie Du Plessis
    4. Etzebeth
    5. PSDT
    6. Marcell
    7. Alberts
    8. Duane
    9. Cobus Reinach
    10. Lambie
    11. Francois Hougaard
    12. Frans Steyn
    13. Sbura Sithole
    14. JPP
    15. Mvovo

  • Comment 132, posted at 15.01.15 10:42:55 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 132) : Francois Hougaard? :shock:

  • Comment 133, posted at 15.01.15 10:53:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 123) : Is he not meant to be ready end April? That’s what I was told at the time of the injury.

  • Comment 134, posted at 15.01.15 11:01:49 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 133) : I feel Francois has a lot to offer on the wing, and the game I would play, would enable him and Cobus to make sure the team has quick ball. Its not a realistic team, its an all out attack team and I like him on the wing – post Habana, Matfield and 2007 Bok era. I think Hougaard is a world class player, and given the right amount of ball, space and freedom he can do well there. He is also tenacious and has a lot of heart, I don’t blame him for his current struggles, I blame BBRU and HM – he is not Fourie Du Preez, nor should he be expected to play like him. BBRU often coach the flair out of a player, I would purchase him for the Sharks, as a back-up scrumhalf and 1st choice left wing.

  • Comment 135, posted at 15.01.15 11:06:25 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 133) : More to highlight that 12 out 15 starting players for the Sharks are actually Boks or Bok caliber.

  • Comment 136, posted at 15.01.15 11:09:00 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 126) : awesome I’m so glad for him. Well deserved.

  • Comment 137, posted at 15.01.15 11:18:54 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 129) : 100% correct but he needs game time in Super rugby to get him sharp again.

  • Comment 138, posted at 15.01.15 11:23:25 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 132) : You forgot about Willie le Roux.
    @DarkDestroyer (Comment 135) : Fair comments about Hougaard and I mostly agree. However I would move Mvovo to wing and have Willie le Roux at fullback. I know he makes a lot of mistakes but I think what he brings in attack overrides his occasional stuff-ups.

  • Comment 139, posted at 15.01.15 11:28:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 135) : not sure I would like him at the Sharks. There is enough backup at 9 so I would just back the youngsters.

  • Comment 140, posted at 15.01.15 11:29:41 by JD Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 139) : I had the same idea about moving Mvovo to make space for Willie. But this is only a dream team and HM will never pick that team.

  • Comment 141, posted at 15.01.15 11:42:43 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 128) : that’s the one problem Fred has as he can only cover 10 were as Pat, Swiel and Cronje can cover multiple positions. Fred is however a quality 10 that could push Pat for the Sharks 10 jersey.

  • Comment 142, posted at 15.01.15 11:52:12 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 136) : Also highlights how the Sharks have a quality squad year after year that under performs in a big way!! :evil:

  • Comment 143, posted at 15.01.15 11:58:47 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 132) :
    1. Beast
    2.Strauss – has overshadowed Bissie. More accurate in his basics
    3. Jannie Du Plessis
    4. Etzebeth
    5. PSDT
    6. Marcell
    7. Alberts
    8. Duane
    9. Cobus Reinach
    10. Lambie
    11. Habana
    12. Ebersohn
    13. Jan Serfontein
    14. Hendricks (JPP has lost his mojo)
    15. Le Roux

  • Comment 144, posted at 15.01.15 12:01:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 144) : not a bad team would just drop Habana for Mvovo, Steyn for Ebersohn and of course Bizzie will always be above Strauss.

  • Comment 145, posted at 15.01.15 12:07:29 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 144) : Don’t worry, Bismarck will be back to his best this year….Bismarck at his best will monster any hooker in world rugby.

  • Comment 146, posted at 15.01.15 12:25:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 145) : To be fair, Habs is getting a bit long in the tooth, but still produces moments of magic. Mvovo has enough wheels, just needs that awareness.
    Ebersohn is a creator, and great defender. Steyn has lost his sparkle for me…. he was awesome in the 2011 WC, but since then…nah!
    Don’t mind Bissie, very little between him and Strauss.

  • Comment 147, posted at 15.01.15 12:30:43 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 146) : At his best yes… Hasn’t been that for some time, and we can’t afford his “wobbles” at line out time in crucial matches.

    Surely something he can iron out. Great to have two awesome hookers in the bok team… Hope to see if Cooper, Akker and Marx can start to push to fill the void post WC

  • Comment 148, posted at 15.01.15 12:32:22 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 148) : Yeah Bismarck was pretty rubbish last year…definitely dwarfed by Strauss….but I believe he will give his everything during a world cup year.

  • Comment 149, posted at 15.01.15 12:37:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 139) : Absolutely Pokkel; my intention was to highlight that 12/15 Boks could actually feature for the Sharks on any given game day. If I were the Springbok Selector and I was being serious, I would have Willie there, Habana on the left wing & Mvovo on the bench, and I would have Jan Serfontein partnering Frans in the midfield, I must say, and many don’t agree with me, but Jan Serfontein is pure Bok for me, and I think he is a class act. He reminds me of one Danie Gerber.

  • Comment 150, posted at 15.01.15 12:43:22 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 143) : Indeed, we expect finals year in year out, and we expect a trophy, but they are rated the 3rd Best Southern Hemisphere team of all time, and do usually always contest knockout games, Super Rugby is a beast of a competition, but I must say they should be on par with the Crusaders and should boast more trophies than our “friends” up North.

  • Comment 151, posted at 15.01.15 12:45:11 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 144) : That Bok team, was not my Bok team, but to simply highlight what the Sharks have at their disposal, if John Ross Pietersen & Bismarck can reach peak performance, no player on the planet can come close to them – everyone is entitled to a poor season, this year we start from scratch and my RWC final team would have them running on.

    So; here I go, my Bok 23 for RWC final 2015:

    1. Beast Mtawarira
    2. Bismarck Du Plessis
    3. Jannie Du Plessis
    4. Eben Etzebeth
    5. Victor Matfield (C)
    6. Francois Louw
    7. Marcell Coetzee
    8. Duane Vermeulen
    9. Fourie Du Preez (Vice Captain)
    10. Patrick Lambie
    11. Bryan Habana
    12. Francois Steyn
    13. Jan Serfontein
    14. JP Pietersen
    15. Willie Le Roux

    16. Coenie Oosthuizen
    17. Adriaan Strauss
    18. Julian Redlinghuys
    19. Schalk Burger
    20. Willem Alberts
    21. Pieter Steph Du Toit
    22. Francois Hougaard
    23. Handre Pollard

  • Comment 152, posted at 15.01.15 12:54:38 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 149) : Player Management & Rotation is key for the Sharks and Boks, but agreed, Bismarck’s set-piece was a liability and far too erratic for someone who is one of the best players on the planet.

  • Comment 153, posted at 15.01.15 12:55:40 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Must say I do think there is so many combination that could be used in the Bok team ghat could work but don’t see HM will chance much from his team.

  • Comment 154, posted at 15.01.15 13:03:46 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 75) : Being a 15, you need to be a complete player……you have to have that sense of awareness, thinking 2 steps ahead. Mvovo is your typical wing……plays the now…….has good speed and good feet.

    Your 15 needs to be a player skilled enough to play 10 or 12, a thinker. Mvovo is not that kind of player. Give him the ball and let him run. He can do a job at 15, but he is not a 15.

  • Comment 155, posted at 15.01.15 13:06:03 by Saffex Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 153) : @KingCheetah (Comment 148) : the biggest problem for me is that the backup hookers behind Bissy and Strauss is no where near there standard.

  • Comment 156, posted at 15.01.15 13:07:31 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 155) : yes 15 needs vision but I must say I do think that Mvovo has the necessary vision to be a good 15.

  • Comment 157, posted at 15.01.15 13:10:23 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 152) : Why on earth would anyone want 38 year old Matfield in your side when he proved all year what a physical liability he is. Its no coincidence that we only won 55% of our tests against the major rugby nations ever since liability Vic came on board. We failed to impose ourselves.

    Why would you want Vic when you have Willemse, Lood and PSDT to choose from. Young physical and talented locks who would add value instead of an old man pretending to be the player he used to be. The fact Meyer selected him, sums clueless Meyer up.

    Here is a Bok side that would actually challenge for the WC

    15. Wille 14. JP 13. JJ 12. Serfontein 11. Senatla 10. Pollard 9. Hougaard 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Marcel v/d Merwe 4. Willemse 5. Etzebeth 6. Coetzee 7. Arno Botha 8. Vermeulen

    16. Strauss 17. Thomas du Toit 18. Coenie 19. PSDT 20. Carr 21. Reinach 22. Goosen 23. de Allende

  • Comment 158, posted at 15.01.15 13:24:03 by Saffex Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 157) : Disagree

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  • @Saffex (Comment 159) : hey that’s what make live so much fun every person has their own opinion.

  • Comment 160, posted at 15.01.15 13:33:35 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 158) : No man will ever agree on a Springbok rugby team, and after losing our captain, I choose Victor Matfield to lead the troops – with almost 120 test matches his guidance and experience will prove invaluable, after 50 minutes he can leave the field for Pieter-Steph Du Toit. Victor Matfield does not need to be physical as a Number 5 lock, he is there for leadership, the physicality is covered by the rest of the pack. Without a Veteran and proven leadership, the team is rudderless, a Captain is not the best player, he is the best leader, and I would shake my head if you want to argue leadership credentials – age is a number and 38 in good physical condition can handle a RWC – fact is, he is your RWC for 2015, and I feel that team I selected will be very close to actual team chosen.

    But then again, opinions are like arseholes… everyone has one.

  • Comment 161, posted at 15.01.15 13:45:58 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 155) : And we are blessed with an abundance of 15s aren’t we. As I’ve said earlier, if there was a thoroughbred 15 available there would be no need for debate.

    15: Israel Dagg: Defensive Frailities
    15: Israel Folau: Tactical Boot
    15: Willie Le Roux: Tactical Boot / Erratic

    Lwazi Mvovo played less than 6 games at Fullback, and I know he can improve to be potent.

  • Comment 162, posted at 15.01.15 13:48:50 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 156) : Burden is doing well for Toulan, and yep, after that the cupboard is somewhat bare – that’s where WP & Sharks need to step up and produce with the likes of Kyle Cooper & Co.

  • Comment 163, posted at 15.01.15 13:50:21 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 25) : I’ve seen backlines with huge pace and little experience and game consciousness the normally outrun and isolate and lack the redirection of attack (versatility). I would rather have the experience of Lambie and Steyn in there and if possible a decisive and experienced 15.

  • Comment 164, posted at 15.01.15 14:27:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 162) : Mvovo is a winger and they stop messing with him can be great in that position. FB genius he is not and probably never will be. Competent FB is the best he can hope for but brilliant winger is in his reach.

  • Comment 165, posted at 15.01.15 14:39:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 161) : Disagree 100%, he is not good enough to play test rugby anymore. He is a liability. In modern test rugby both your locks need to be physical. The Boks keep losing tests because we have passengers on board…..Matfield is the worst of this list……at least Bakkies has done the honourable and retired, we just need Vic and Steenkamp to do the same.

    If Vic plays in the WC we will exit the WC after the quarters

  • Comment 166, posted at 15.01.15 14:41:22 by Saffex Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 162) : Mvovo is not close to the standard of the 3 you mentioned…….he is not a fullback, never will be.

  • Comment 167, posted at 15.01.15 14:43:03 by Saffex Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 165) : spot on

  • Comment 168, posted at 15.01.15 14:44:25 by Saffex Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 144) : I like that team. But Habana? He would probably make a better 12 these days than a wing. He must be replaced. Agree Strauss was better than Bismarck and even when Bismarck is on for he is close nough to always be a danger. Start with Strauss and impact with Bismarck or vice versa. Ebersohn also very good but you will have 2 smaller guys next to each other with him and Lambie. Your opposing backline on the day will probably dictate whether you play that combo.

  • Comment 169, posted at 15.01.15 14:47:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 163) : You need to get out more :-) .
    I like Kyle Cooper, what do WP have to offer?? Ntubeni and Mbonambi won’t cut it at international level. Rather look to the likes of Akker, and young Malcom Marx.

  • Comment 170, posted at 15.01.15 14:59:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • 15 Le roux
    14 Hendricks
    13 Fourie
    12 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 Lambie
    9 Fourie du Preez
    8 Duane Vermeulen
    7 Marcel Coetzee
    6 Jaco Kriel
    5 PSDT
    4 Etzebeth
    3 WP Nel
    2 Bismarck dup / Adriaan Strauss
    1 Beast

    Steyn and Fourie is a matter of SARU digging in their pockets and giving SA what we need. We should in fact insist they give HM all the backing neccessary to MAKE this happen.

  • Comment 171, posted at 15.01.15 15:07:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 171) : Geez heaven help us….I have read it all now…..WP Nel at 3!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Would that be the Fourie who gained all of 13 metres in 4 tests on his last tour and never beat a single defender…..the guy is past in and retired from test rugby thank goodness.

  • Comment 172, posted at 15.01.15 15:12:59 by Saffex Reply

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  • Why WP Nel? He scrums hard and guess what he scores tries! Also jannie defense not great and jannie gives away penalties. Would be good for Bissie to play without him.

  • Comment 173, posted at 15.01.15 15:13:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 173) : WP Nel was always useless………we have class youngsters like Marcel v/d Merwe and Malherbe……no need for WP to be anywhere near the side. That is as bad as calling useless Steenkamp back

  • Comment 174, posted at 15.01.15 15:15:09 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 174) : So where do you stand on Jannie. Maybe you are right about the youngsters but they need caps and massive international experience in a short time. Will they get there? I would just like to see Jannie out of the picture a little, much as I am a sharks fan to me he is overrated and under performing he is arrogant predictable and has many defensive flaws.

  • Comment 175, posted at 15.01.15 15:27:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Now that I think of youngsters Ruan Dreyer would also slot in niceley at tighthead. minus the attitude jannie has.

  • Comment 176, posted at 15.01.15 15:38:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 170) : Kyle Cooper is a quality player, and Bismarck and Strauss will be there for a while yet, I am sure each wants to be capped 100 times or more for the Boks. In that time its up to the Unions to develop new talent, given time, I do feel that Mbonambi could make the grade. Kyle Cooper definitely, Akker, although awesome reminds me of Von Biljon, and I do not think he is a 30 test plus player.

  • Comment 177, posted at 15.01.15 16:03:18 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 165) : @Saffex (Comment 168) : The start of this debate came about with the dearth of talent we have at the back, both locally at the Sharks and internationally.

    I never advocate messing around with player positions – and The Sharks hardly messed him around, they moved him there because our incumbent is in poor form. I say again, if we had many quality fullbacks at our disposal there would be no need to discuss this.

    This was also debated to have all three X-factor players on the park at the same time: Paul Jordaan (injured), Sbura Sithole & Lwazi Mvovo – and it made sense, given that Lwazi could be a quality Fullback and we could move Paul Jordaan to left wing enabling Sbura to focus more on 13, which his best position, and more physical than Paul Jordaan.

  • Comment 178, posted at 15.01.15 16:16:01 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 161) : no matter what we say I don’t see HM choosing another captain so we will maar have to make peace with Vic as the Bok captain.

  • Comment 179, posted at 15.01.15 16:17:56 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 166) : Victor won’t be the reason we don’t make it through, there are 23 players in that team, and if Victor is not there as a player he needs to be there in some capacity, plus you want someone with that amount of experience on the park to keep a cool head. He is then replaced by PSDT at the 55-60 min mark to unleash hell, along with Alberts, who I feel is the ultimate impact player.

  • Comment 180, posted at 15.01.15 16:18:01 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 179) : Look, I am by no means happy with Heyneke Meyer bringing in the old dogs, because it stunted the growth of the next generation, now we find ourselves in a World Cup year, and we have no real experience to fall back on, ability maybe, but experience no… I of all people was screaming and shouting when reading the names of Jean De Villiers, Victor Matfield, Fourie Du Preez, Jacque Fourie, Bakkies Botha, Juan Smith etc… Had we started the process earlier, different story… PSDT also got injured when we was just about to stake a real claim, plus now JDV is injured, so yep, we have to be realistic.

  • Comment 181, posted at 15.01.15 16:21:10 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 175) : Jannie’s day is done. He was a solid test tighthead but its time to move on.

    I really like Marcel v/d Merwe, followed by Malherbe.

    Unlike many, I like Coenie at 3 as well, he stood firm on the EOYT at 3.

    Nyakane is pretty useful at 3 as well, he has played most his rugby at 1 but been pretty impressive at 3 when given the opportunity.

    The Lions pair of Redelinghuis and Dreyer are useful as well

  • Comment 182, posted at 15.01.15 16:21:28 by Saffex Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 163) : sorry to say but I can’t see Burden playing for the Bokke again so if either Bissy or Strauss gets injured before the World cup the Bokke will be in some sh!t!!!!

  • Comment 183, posted at 15.01.15 16:24:11 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 182) : Jannie Du Plessis is not done, he has some of the highest minutes played of anyone in the world over these last few seasons, he is an exceptional tighthead prop, and like anything in the world breaks down if not managed and maintained, its absolute madness to think how much he has played without being subbed, he needs to average 60 minutes per Sharks game and be chosen only for key matches and he can add a lot of value. Players play less than him and have walked away with season ending injuries, the man is a trooper and one of the best tightheads in the world. Julian from the Lions, yes, now there I agree, that boy was a big loss when he left the Sharks.

  • Comment 184, posted at 15.01.15 16:27:30 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 169) : yes Lambie and Ebersohn is “small” but good luck running that line into Marcell and Alberts!!!!

  • Comment 185, posted at 15.01.15 16:28:21 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 183) : I second that, Kyle Cooper needs to produce the goods, as Chiliboy has gone quiet over there.
    Its big season!

  • Comment 186, posted at 15.01.15 16:31:27 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 172) : ja please leave Fourie in Japan as I think e en he knows he’s past it and that’s why he retired! !!!!!

  • Comment 187, posted at 15.01.15 16:31:58 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 181) : and I am realistic that’s why I made peace with Vic being the Bok captain. Just hope he gets some of the other selection right and not just pick his “old faithful”!!!!!!

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  • @JD (Comment 188) : Ditto Meneer, Ditto.

  • Comment 189, posted at 15.01.15 16:40:08 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 178) : I hear you but also disagree on your take regarding our 15′s.

    Willie is the incumbent and a special talent.

    In Jessie Kriel of the Baby Boks and Bulls we have a real class act who will play many tests for the Boks. This kid is the real deal, but might also end up at 13.

    Jaco Taute is a quality player who is useful at 15, he showed signs of rediscovering his pre injury form at the end of the CC.

    SP Marais lost form last season but he has shown what he is made of in the past. Form is temporary.

    Andries Coetzee of the Lions is a very talented 15, injuries have played a part in his progress.

    Visser of the Bulls is a good 15, as is Ulrich Beyers.

    Young EW Viljoen is one to watch at WP

    We have more than enough talent at 15 in SA.

    Playing Mvovo at 15 is an option if SP is not about. A better bet would be moving Lambie to 15 and playing Swiel at 10

  • Comment 190, posted at 15.01.15 16:40:54 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 182) : dream on boet Jannie will be first choice 3 for the World cup.

  • Comment 191, posted at 15.01.15 16:41:24 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 190) : Lambie needs to focus on his game, and play his bit at 10, we agree that messing with a position is not good, but it highlights our blight the back, of all the names you’ve mentioned above, I agree with all – they do need more game time and top flight experience, Taute needs a big season to show he can be a contender, but given Jean’s injury we will see him in the midfield with Kolbe at the back.

  • Comment 192, posted at 15.01.15 16:45:20 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 186) : Kyle has huge potential but he needs to ensure that his line out work is 100% before he can be considered as a possibility for the Bokke.

  • Comment 193, posted at 15.01.15 16:45:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 193) : Same for his Captain Bissie; I am concerned over our lineout.

  • Comment 194, posted at 15.01.15 16:47:39 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 180) : I am more than happy for Vic to be there as the forwards coach, he should be nowhere near the field of play.

    Not when we have locks like Etzebeth, Willemse, PSDT, Lood, Lewies, Jean Kleyn, Jacques du Plessis, Mostert and Ruan Botha to draw on.

    Experience for experience sake counts for very little.

    We have more than enough experience to draw on in Willie, JP, Habana, Frans, Lambie, Hougaard, Beast, Bismark, Strauss, Brussouw and Vermeulen without having to hang onto the likes of liabilities like Matfield for the sake of experience. We sell ourselves short playing passengers and this is why under Meyer we will continue the downward spiral that started in 2014 with losses to Oz, NZ, Ireland and Wales…..its not good enough

  • Comment 195, posted at 15.01.15 16:48:41 by Saffex Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 191) : Oh I know that and we will exit early thanks to selections like Kirchner, Fourie, Jean, Morne, Pienaar, Steenkamp, Jannie, Matfield, Bakkies, Louw, Alberts, Spies and Schalk

  • Comment 196, posted at 15.01.15 16:50:45 by Saffex Reply

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  • Preaching to the converted brother – you see my earlier team excludes him – Eben and PSDT would be there any given Sunday. That last team I mentioned would be the “probable team” for the Boks.

  • Comment 197, posted at 15.01.15 16:51:09 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 195) : I was the biggest shouter at bringing back these men, great players in their day, but hells teeth, now we’ve left it too late with the young guns lacking experience.

  • Comment 198, posted at 15.01.15 16:52:56 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 194) : Bissy is erratic but gets it right more often than not. Some of the youngsters can’t hit the broadside of a barn if their lives depends on it!!!!!

  • Comment 199, posted at 15.01.15 16:56:30 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 187) : But our wonderful Bok coach wants him to change his mind about retirement…….good old Mayer, as progressive as ever!!

  • Comment 200, posted at 15.01.15 16:56:40 by Saffex Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 198) : Thanks to Meyer and his pathetically conservative outlook, we are stuck with his class of hasbeens.

    How a coach with all this young talent at his disposal could come up with the selections he has is beyond comprehension.

  • Comment 201, posted at 15.01.15 17:01:00 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 195) : sorry to say but I don’t rate Lood if I had to choose between him and Vic I’d pick Vic!!! Best lock combo for Bokke will be PSDT and Eben

  • Comment 202, posted at 15.01.15 17:02:07 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 200) : like I said I think he realised that he’s not good enough anymore and that’s why he retired! !!! So I really hope he sticks to that decision! !!! Also the injury to JdV might be a blessing in disguise as I think there is better 12′s available for the Bokke and now HM is forced to pick one of them…. think of this centres HM picked both Jan and de Allendale playes 12 so basicall he only has to pick a true 13!!!!!

  • Comment 203, posted at 15.01.15 17:07:12 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 201) : don’t forget he used to coach the Bulls so don’t expect to much!!!!!!!

  • Comment 204, posted at 15.01.15 17:13:49 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 202) : I struggle to understand how you cannot rate a youngster like Lood who made the Super 15 side of the year as a back-up lock playing for a Cheetahs side that struggled for most of the season.

    Lood is a class young player, has it all. Twice the player big Vic is now.

    Best Bok lock combo right now would be very physical Paul Willemse at 4 with Etzebeth at 5.

    PSDT is up there, but I want to see how he goes on his return. I hope he has used the time out bulking up in the gym

  • Comment 205, posted at 15.01.15 18:09:40 by Saffex Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 203) : I actually think de Allende is better suited to 13 as he is more of a physical finisher than your creative 12. de Allende could be our Kurandrini…….he is not a classical 12 with creative touches.

    I want to see him stay at 13. Meyer should have given him a proper go there instead of dumping him so quickly – it was pathetic.

    Serfontein is wasted at 13, he has to move back to 12. Agreed Jean is past it cant remember when last he made an impact as he used to as a youngster. He is done.

    We have 12′s to burn now……Serfontein is the best, Frans still has plenty to offer. I like the look of Esterhuizen and the kid that impressed me the most was Burger Odendaal of the Bulls, closely followed by Vorster of the Lions. Add the impressive Frans Venter of the Cheetahs and I have always been a fan of Howard Mnisi.

    Watermeyer is another that was impressive for the Lions.

    We have talent to burn

  • Comment 206, posted at 15.01.15 18:15:48 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 205) : don’t think Lood has a high enough work rate and as for PSDT bulking up he played well enough with the size he had and there’s no reason for him to bulk up!!! PSDT is a no 5 and don’t need all the bulk that will just slow him down during general play!!!

  • Comment 207, posted at 15.01.15 18:22:33 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 207) : Wow, you need to open your eyes…..Loods work rate is one of his strengths……maybe you should pay more attention this S15?

    Rubbish PSDT needs to bulk up, 5kg would do him a world of good. No5 in modern rugby need to be just as physical and he is injury prone so needs strengthening. Muscle would give him a physical edge.

  • Comment 208, posted at 15.01.15 18:35:46 by Saffex Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 127) : Regarding Frans…I wonder whether that is going to happen…I think it should, but I wonder whether it will. If HM doesn’t pick him, what do you think the centre combo will look like?

  • Comment 209, posted at 15.01.15 18:46:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 208) : Lood’s work rate in tests is laughable

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 130) : Yup…holding thumbs for him!!

  • Comment 211, posted at 15.01.15 18:49:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 128) : @DarkDestroyer (Comment 129) : On the Bok front both Lambie and Pollard are good options and I am happy to have them there. For the Sharks, Lambie is clearly the number one. Based on last season, I would probably put Cronje on the bench – he has the versatility for that too. But if Fred can recapture his 2013 form, I would start with him if Lambie can’t play and still have Cronje on the bench…

  • Comment 212, posted at 15.01.15 18:55:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 134) : It’s not looking good…I would be VERY surprised if he can play Super Rugby this year…

  • Comment 213, posted at 15.01.15 19:00:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 148) : Nice to see that we have two top players in some important positions: Strauss/Bismarck, Flo/Coetzee, Lambie/Pollard…

  • Comment 214, posted at 15.01.15 19:08:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 209) : Jan and de Allende

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 150) : I must also say that I liked the look of Serfontein as a Bok last season…

  • Comment 216, posted at 15.01.15 19:11:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 208) : well what I saw when he played for the Bokke did not impress me!!!! as for PSDT he does not need to “bulk up” to remain injury free think conditioning will sort that.

  • Comment 217, posted at 15.01.15 19:14:04 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 152) : I’d have PSdT instead of Matfield, Alberts instead of Coetzee…

  • Comment 218, posted at 15.01.15 19:16:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 208) : @robdylan (Comment 210) : jip the problem for me with Lood is the same as with Stauss – they’re a bit to “bulked up” and could do with a bit less “bulk”.

  • Comment 219, posted at 15.01.15 19:19:41 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 214) : ja that is good HM must just not pick MS again!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 220, posted at 15.01.15 19:22:11 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 212) : must say I agree with you 100% really hope Fred is over 2014 and is ready for a new start in 2015.

  • Comment 221, posted at 15.01.15 19:26:27 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 158) : Brave pics…I definitely wouldn’t pick JJ (poor hands), Hougaard (too slow), Marcel vd M (just no), Willemse (too many penalties)…I agree on the Matfield thing…but would leave Etzebeth at 4…

  • Comment 222, posted at 15.01.15 19:30:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 184) : Agreed…

  • Comment 223, posted at 15.01.15 19:39:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 196) : Louw is a passenger?! Wow…

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  • @Saffex (Comment 201) : Just my opinion here…I think you are being very harsh on HM. He’s not my favourite, but I think he has done much that is good with the Boks…

  • Comment 225, posted at 15.01.15 19:48:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 222) : yes correct Eben is a 4. Look I don’t like Vic either but (except for Lewies and PSDT who both were injured) what other options is there at 5?

  • Comment 226, posted at 15.01.15 21:05:17 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 224) : don’t forget passenger Jannie who almost played every minute of Super rugby and Bok tests for the past two years!!!!

  • Comment 227, posted at 15.01.15 21:07:48 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 225) : although I agree with most of your opinions I have to disagree about HM. He has done very little to progress Bok rugby. By picking “old” players last year he lost the chance to see what some youngsters could do before heading into the world cup year.

  • Comment 228, posted at 15.01.15 21:21:16 by JD Reply
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  • Bothma is the real deal. Expect him to play a lot of good rugby for us. He’s the best 8th Man in squad and will cover 7 well.

  • Comment 229, posted at 15.01.15 21:49:40 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 229) : don’t get me wrong he is talented but let’s see now that the opposition knows him if he’s still as effective. Sharks needs cover at 6 as there is no other players that is even close to Marcell and if he gets injured they will be in a spot of bother! !!!

  • Comment 230, posted at 15.01.15 23:07:58 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 226) : I think, given the injuries to so many of the 5 locks – you mentioned PSdT and Lewies, I would add Flip to that – HM didn’t have that many other choices. If all those guys are back, I just don’t think Vic is good enough anymore. But I would definitely have him in the squad for experience and mentorship purposes. The other question to resolve then would be the captaincy issue:
    - I wouldn’t go Bismarck…
    - I would seriously consider Strauss…
    - Personally I would go for François Louw. I rate him as a player and, although I love Coetzee, I still think that a fit Flo is first choice in his position and has captained Bath.
    What do you think?

  • Comment 231, posted at 16.01.15 11:27:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 227) : Ja look, I think there are several issues with that passenger list:
    - I agree that Jannie is not a passenger…he has to be there…no other tighthead with any experience!
    - Kirchner and Spies have not been on “the bus” for so long, they can’t qualify as passengers…they aren’t being picked anymore…and they won’t!

  • Comment 232, posted at 16.01.15 11:32:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 210) : And you want to judge him based on 1 or 2 tests – wow……not to mention how good he was in that first test he played off the bench….you guys are a joke.

    He had one average test against the Argies where he missed a few tackles, not something he historically does. Let me guess de Allende is also average based on the 1 or 2 tests clueless Meyer gave him?

  • Comment 233, posted at 16.01.15 11:32:49 by Saffex Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 222) : JJ poor hands…..where do you get that from? What nonsense.

    Hougaard too slow, is this the same guy that has played on the wing.

    Marcel v/d Merwe is our best tighthead

    Willemse was huge last year and a massive loss to SA…..if Meyer had any brains he would have selected him for the EOYT. He brings as much physicality as Etzebeth and given Eben’s athleticism moving him to 5 where he has played before would be a breeze

  • Comment 234, posted at 16.01.15 11:38:07 by Saffex Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 228) : I agree that he has done things that I don’t like and don’t approve. Your example of the oldies is one example of that. But if you look at the stats, I don’t think there’s much arguing that the Boks have improved in most aspects, including running rugby (believe it or not), tries scored and regularly truly challenging the All Blacks. Sure, the end of year tour wasn’t great, but I just think we are not far off and, I for one am relatively confident about the world cup. I also respect the fact that HM was big enough to actually change his mind about a few things:
    - I was tearing my hair out about the mould he was trying to push his flyhalves into…only Morne Steyn fit that mould and it was a crap mould. But he’s changed that. He’s now backed Lambie and Pollard and allows them to play. Good move!
    - He was never going to pick a player like…he said so himself. But he did give him a chance…and when Willie showed him what he can do, he changed his mind. Good move!
    There are plenty of things I would like to see done differently, but I really also see a lot of good work being done by HM. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!! :)

  • Comment 235, posted at 16.01.15 11:41:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 224) : Louw is a handy enough player but lets face it, the guy is no true fetcher……he is just far too big and cumbersome for the role……you need explosive speed and slight of hand to make a true fetcher in the Hooper mould. He is another Schalk Burger……both too big for 6, both should have played 7 or 8.

    Brussouw, Coetzee, Kriel, Carr and Kolisi are all better than Louw.

    I rate him but not highly and would certainly not play him at 6……nor would he start at 7 or 8 for me ahead of a handful of players.

    Passenger was a bit harsh…..I’ll retract that

  • Comment 236, posted at 16.01.15 11:42:10 by Saffex Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 229) : I think I agree with you…I am really chuffed we have him!!

  • Comment 237, posted at 16.01.15 11:42:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 225) : I had high hopes for the guy given his record, but he is clearly out of touch with how modern test rugby is to be played, but above all his reliance on players he knows, that happen to be past it, is his biggest downfall.

    The sooner we see the back of Meyer the better, he is too conservative for modern test rugby.

  • Comment 238, posted at 16.01.15 11:44:20 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 233) : I agree with you on Lood. I think he did some good things for the Boks…but he did also go walkabout a bit recently…let’s see how 2015 goes.
    By the way, it’s probably a good idea to tone down a bit on the “you guys are a joke” when guys venture their opinion… :)

  • Comment 239, posted at 16.01.15 11:45:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 229) : Its such a pity Bothma has a cap or two for Namibia…..he looks good enough to have challenged for the Boks. A wasted talent at international level

  • Comment 240, posted at 16.01.15 11:46:38 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 234) : When I say Hougaard is slow, I don’t mean the speed he runs at…I mean his speed at clearing the rucks and even kicking from the base. It is the same thing that irritates me about Cobus Reinach…

  • Comment 241, posted at 16.01.15 11:48:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 232) : Wrong, Meyer says he wants Kirchner back as he wants a kicking 15……it was at the same time he said he wanted Morne back……this was the clowns reaction to losing 2 tests on the EOYT

  • Comment 242, posted at 16.01.15 11:49:15 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 234) : And all I’m saying on the other guys – JJ, Marcel vdM and Willemse – is that you and I clearly disagree on them…and that should be ok, shouldn’t it?

  • Comment 243, posted at 16.01.15 11:50:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 240) : Agreed…

  • Comment 244, posted at 16.01.15 11:52:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 241) : There is no issue with Hougaard’s service, its no slower than any other 9 out there. Reinach does at times take a step or two before he passes and he needs to cut that out.

    Kicking from the base is not a strength of Hougaards, but who wants to play a kicking 9. Hougaard was great in his last two tests against Oz and NZ and then along with Pollard got the blame for the loss against Ireland which was pathetic.

  • Comment 245, posted at 16.01.15 11:53:10 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 242) : Wow, did he say that? If that’s true, then I retract most of the nice things I said about HM. :) Do you have any references to articles that report what he said and when he said it?

  • Comment 246, posted at 16.01.15 11:54:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 243) : Without doubt…..but to dismiss Willemse based on penalties is a bit short sighted….if that was the case, Bakkies should never have played a test

  • Comment 247, posted at 16.01.15 11:55:16 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 247) : Fair enough…and he certainly has his strong points…

  • Comment 248, posted at 16.01.15 11:57:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 246) : It was an article in the Rapport apparently…..I just recall someone bringing it up on another site

    Here is an indirect link

    http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/meyer-s-wc-strategy-in-jeopardy-1.1791895#.VLjg2KNFCUk

  • Comment 249, posted at 16.01.15 12:05:48 by Saffex Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 248) : Would make far more of an impression than old man Vic that’s for sure

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 246) : Here goes

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Steyn-Kirchner-back-in-Bok-frame-20141208

  • Comment 251, posted at 16.01.15 12:08:17 by Saffex Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 231) : ja must say I don’t think either Strauss or Bissy should be captain as they will get substituted and then you lost you captain so yes I do think Louw could be the solution but I can’t see HM going with PSDT, Lewies or Flip as he will go with Vic at 5 and as captain.

  • Comment 252, posted at 16.01.15 12:16:56 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 232) : geez I hope the bus keeps on missing them! !!!!

  • Comment 253, posted at 16.01.15 12:18:31 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 235) : ja ok HM is not all bad (just mostly) ;-)

  • Comment 254, posted at 16.01.15 12:22:29 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 251) : if he picks those two I think we will struggle to make the playoffs!!!!!

  • Comment 255, posted at 16.01.15 12:29:35 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 246) : all I can say is he will be a idiot if he does bring them back!!!!

  • Comment 256, posted at 16.01.15 12:31:53 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 209) : Hey PShark; been a busy man today, apologies for getting back to you so late.
    I think Heyneke Meyer will be under a lot of pressure to pick Frans. Frans was indeed controversial, but the bad blood didn’t sit with him & HM, it was between him and SARU. If Frans isn’t picked it means JJ Engelbrecht & Juan Du Jongh have a lot to prove with Jan Serfontein moving to his favored 12 position. This is all of course if Jean De Villiers doesn’t make it, and he is under intense rehab at the moment.

  • Comment 257, posted at 16.01.15 14:35:42 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 199) : I have a good feeling for Bissy this season, he will want to make sure Strauss knows he’s second fiddle. Makes me dream of that game when we knocked Strauss over – “Die Bus is vol” – Bissy will have a blinder, but yes, agreed, set-piece is crucial, and Strauss is fantastic at the set-piece.

  • Comment 258, posted at 16.01.15 14:37:51 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 201) : Shake my head man, shake my head – a short sighted coach is a desperate coach – but that is SARU and their 4 year contract – no job security. But yes, back to the selections — makes me grind my teeth – the sight of Gurthro Steenkamp in a Bok jersey along with his 2007 classmates makes me want to throw beer at the TV.

  • Comment 259, posted at 16.01.15 14:41:13 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 218) : Agreed on the Matfield side, just feel that Coetzee is more an 80 minute rugby player, and unleashing Willem Alberts with 25 mins to go and swing a game in your favor, I’d start with Flo & Coetzee with Alberts coming on – Coetzee or Flo would either come off depending on performance and influence on the game. But yes, Alberts is a must be it starting or super-sub – PSDT lost out big time last season with his injury, he could’ve been number 1. But will have to work his guts out, as Vic is now earmarked as skipper.

  • Comment 260, posted at 16.01.15 14:44:38 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 216) : Yeah, he is class, he is a Bok must, and looks good at either 12 or 13 rate that kid highly.

  • Comment 261, posted at 16.01.15 14:45:41 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 212) : Cronje does offer versatility – and he did impress last season. Versatility on the bench is a must. Happy with Pollard and Lambie gunning for top honors.

  • Comment 262, posted at 16.01.15 14:47:49 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 234) : I must say v/d Merwe did look the part in a Bok jumper, pity about his injury – hope he has a big season as tighthead is a bone of contention. Frans Malherbe has suffered too many injuries to be a serious contender, you can’t bank on someone who is too often injured – he has the engine, but been damn unlucky on the injury front.

  • Comment 263, posted at 16.01.15 14:52:25 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 241) : Yep, Aaron Smith is boss of quick ball, our scrumhalves aren’t quick on delivery, every the legend himself FDP is infuriatingly slow at times, however he usually makes the right decision when its executed – Hougaard is frenetic as is Cobus, they need more time in the saddle.

  • Comment 264, posted at 16.01.15 14:54:21 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 242) : Lets not fool ourselves Zane and Morne were always part of HM’s RWC plans considering the NH conditions.

  • Comment 265, posted at 16.01.15 14:57:51 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 259) : no no no anything but beer!!!!!!!! ;-)

  • Comment 266, posted at 16.01.15 15:23:23 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 265) : kill me now please! !!! But yes I think he will pick them and try to pick Spies too if only he could!!!!

  • Comment 267, posted at 16.01.15 15:32:04 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 263) : sorry to say but Jannie will be the tight head unless he gets injured and except for his binding on the arm, I do not have a problem with Jannie at 3.

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 258) : I just always feels as if Strauss is just carrying a bit of extra weight and he could be even better if he gets his conditioning right. But yes Bokke is very lucky to have two world class hookers available! !!!

  • Comment 269, posted at 16.01.15 15:41:49 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 260) : think the ship has sailed as far as PSDT is concerned. Vic is in and will stay in especially now that JdV is injured. I would like a combo of Louw and Marcell as they will put huge pressure at the breakdowns without losing to much physically and then with 20 or 30 to go Alberts can punish the opposition.

  • Comment 270, posted at 16.01.15 15:50:56 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 262) : yes that’s an advantage that Cronje has over Fred but remember with Pat and Steyn on the field you already have a lot of versatility so you can get away with having Fred on the bench.

  • Comment 271, posted at 16.01.15 15:54:26 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 251) : @DarkDestroyer (Comment 265) : only the three of us commenting today. Can’t wait for the season to start!!!!

  • Comment 272, posted at 16.01.15 16:12:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 266) : only thing in my hand on the weekend, remote locked away, along with the wife, so you can imagine how HM’s selections affect my Karma…

  • Comment 273, posted at 16.01.15 16:16:11 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 268) : Jannie is my number 1 choice, no question… Backup is where the competition and need for a clear cut support player to step up.

  • Comment 274, posted at 16.01.15 16:18:23 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 269) : Yes, I agree, Strauss needs to up his conditioning – agreed, needs to get into better shape. Those two are going to go hard at each other this season.

  • Comment 275, posted at 16.01.15 16:19:50 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 273) : good luck boet hope you survive the weekend!!!!! ;-)

  • Comment 276, posted at 16.01.15 19:23:34 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 274) : especially at the Sharks Adriaanse needs to step up and deliver on the promise he showed when the Sharks signed him!!!

  • Comment 277, posted at 16.01.15 19:26:48 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 192) : Disagree. Swiel at 10?? There is no way. I would rather play Frans Steyn at 10 then sort out center before Swiel. Zeilinga also waiting in the wings to take up 10 if Pat moves to 15. Swiel has done nothing to promote confidence, Zeilinga was a great stand in for almost a whole tournamnet yet Swiel with no performances gets recognized?

  • Comment 278, posted at 17.01.15 14:28:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 278) : swiel is way down in the line for the 10 jersey. Pat, Fred and Cronje are all ahead of him. Think his chances are better to play 15.

  • Comment 279, posted at 17.01.15 14:48:47 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 250) : I agree with you there!

  • Comment 280, posted at 17.01.15 19:40:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 251) : Oh bloody hell!! If he brings Kirchner and Steyn back I’ll be the first to volunteer for the lynch mob!!

  • Comment 281, posted at 17.01.15 19:43:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 257) : That’s what happens when I’m on leave and I have some time on my hands! :)

  • Comment 282, posted at 17.01.15 19:46:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 261) : Absolutely…

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 265) : Nooooo…Morne I can still understand (though he wouldn’t be my pick)…but Krusty the Klown?!?! Nooooo, not Krusty!!

  • Comment 284, posted at 17.01.15 19:51:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 268) : I’m happy with Jannie…just don’t give him as much of a workload in 2015!!

  • Comment 285, posted at 17.01.15 19:53:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 269) : Agreed…

  • Comment 286, posted at 17.01.15 19:54:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 270) : I don’t know whether I would go that route. Balance wise, if Alberts is fully fit, I would start with him…

  • Comment 287, posted at 17.01.15 19:58:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • After all this chat, let me pick my preferred Bok 23 for the World Cup Final:
    1. Beast Mtawarira
    2. Bismarck du Plessis
    3. Jannie du Plessis
    4. Eben Etzebeth
    5. Pieter-Steph du Toit
    6. Francois Louw
    7. Willem Alberts
    8. Duane Vermeulen
    9. Fourie du Preez
    10. Patrick Lambie
    11. Bryan Habana
    12. Francois Steyn
    13. Jan Serfontein
    14. JP Pietersen
    15. Willie Le Roux
    16. Coenie Oosthuizen
    17. Adriaan Strauss
    18. Marcel van der Merwe
    19. Victor Matfield
    20. Marcell Coetzee
    21. Ruan Pienaar
    22. Handre Pollard
    23. Lwazi Mvovo
    There are a few positions where I would probably pick some other players depending on the opposition. There are one or two players who would have to prove themselves (or, more accurately, their fitness and form) this season. And captain would be an issue…I might go for Francois Louw…and we can always see how Duane Vermeulen goes as captain for the Stormers this season…I’ll give myself a few more months before making this decision.
    What do you all think?

  • Comment 288, posted at 17.01.15 20:21:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 285) : yes that’s for sure and there I must say Adriaanse needs to step up!!! If he has a good season he could even push for a Bok spot as backup to Jannie.

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  • @JD (Comment 289) : Adriaanse scrummed well in Super Rugby but wasn’t great in general play…and he was good in general play during the Currie Cup but didn’t scrum all that well. I really hope he puts the whole package together for Super Rugby this year!!

  • Comment 290, posted at 17.01.15 20:32:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 288) : ja that’s a good team and Duane always plays hard and with passion so I think he will lead from the front. Could be a dark horse for captian should Vic be out of World cup.

  • Comment 291, posted at 17.01.15 20:32:01 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 290) : yes and I believe he has the ability to scrum well and feature in general play as he did it whilst he was playing for the Cheetahs he just needs to stwp up. I really miss Herbst he was really starting to shine when Adriaanse arived and took the backup spot, pity he left!!!!

  • Comment 292, posted at 17.01.15 20:36:02 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 279) : I wouldn’t worry about Swiel too much, surely he had time in the off season to review his “performance ” last year and made the right decision?
    ( By that I mean, gave up rugby and found a real job. )

  • Comment 293, posted at 18.01.15 19:35:13 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 293) : hahaha LOL funny boet!!!!!!! I’m not worried about Swiel he’s talented and with time I’m sure he will deliver on his talent.

  • Comment 294, posted at 18.01.15 21:02:12 by JD Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 293) : @JD (Comment 294) : I think Swiel’s problem is more in the head: he gets noticeably nervous when his big opportunity or big game comes. Maybe he seriously needs a head doctor…

  • Comment 295, posted at 19.01.15 06:35:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 295) : boet the whole Sharks team needs a “head doctor”.

  • Comment 296, posted at 19.01.15 08:22:32 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 295) : Big opportunity, Big game, and Big opponents all make Swiel very nervous.

  • Comment 297, posted at 19.01.15 08:45:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Team to win SR 2015:

    1. AB de Villiers
    2. AB de Villiers
    3. AB de Villiers
    4. AB de Villiers
    5. AB de Villiers
    6. AB de Villiers
    7. AB de Villiers
    8. AB de Villiers
    9. AB de Villiers
    10. AB de Villiers
    11. AB de Villiers
    12. AB de Villiers
    13. AB de Villiers
    14. AB de Villiers
    15. AB de Villiers

  • Comment 298, posted at 19.01.15 09:42:20 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 284) : You heard it here, with him playing for Leinster and with his siege boot and safety approach – he will be there… Doesn’t mean I agree with it, but he is a safe player, Willie coughed up too much possession in the mud, and Meyer was watching like a hawk. If Willie has a poor RWC, then what?

  • Comment 299, posted at 19.01.15 10:17:40 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 296) : I don’t understand why there isn’t a psychologist on the permanent staff team, every Pro player needs one, be it for personal confidence, the game, or family life – its vital. I would have one there always.

  • Comment 300, posted at 19.01.15 10:29:48 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 298) : hell boet at one stage I was even feeling sorry for the bowlers! !!! Awesome performance! !!! Just wondering why he does not open the batting for the Protea T20 side?!?!?!?!

  • Comment 301, posted at 19.01.15 12:20:31 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 300) : 100% correct can’t see any reason why they don’t have one working with the players from 0/19 up to the Senior players who plays Super rugby!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 302, posted at 19.01.15 12:23:24 by JD Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 299) : anyone else but please just not him!!!!!!

  • Comment 303, posted at 19.01.15 12:25:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 79) : Why? Esterhuizen Jordaan can cover center and Sithole Perez or Sithole Chavanga on wing. yes Chavanga and Perez old and the other untried, but SP on wing? rather have people play there that have experience in it.

  • Comment 304, posted at 19.01.15 12:36:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 291) : Ruan Dreyer for that spot pretty soon mark my words he just needs some more international caps he will replace Jannie.

  • Comment 305, posted at 19.01.15 12:38:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 296) : Lol…:) Swiel just strikes me as more in need with the rest!!

  • Comment 306, posted at 19.01.15 13:08:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 297) : That’s what I thought…

  • Comment 307, posted at 19.01.15 13:09:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 299) : Back Willie up with anyone but Krustyyyyy…:)

  • Comment 308, posted at 19.01.15 13:11:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 300) : Last year sometime I dreamt that I got the job!!! :)

  • Comment 309, posted at 19.01.15 13:12:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 301) : Wowweee!! That was something to behold!

  • Comment 310, posted at 19.01.15 13:14:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 305) : Dreyer is good…

  • Comment 311, posted at 19.01.15 13:17:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 298) :

    Actually I’m just hoping CWC 2015 …

    AB De Villiers
    AB De Villiers
    AB De Villiers
    AB De Villiers
    AB De Villiers
    AB De Villiers
    Dale Steyn
    Dale Steyn
    Dale Steyn
    Dale Steyn
    Dale Steyn

    This cricket world cup has me seeing a Shrink since 1999. ;-)

    It’s time they finally get it done!!!

  • Comment 312, posted at 19.01.15 14:53:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 312) : Mentioning that semi in ’99 is like mentioning the day that rugby died… (i.e. a certain Super Rugby final we don’t speak of!)!! But I’m with you: let’s make it right in 2015…for both of those events!! :)

  • Comment 313, posted at 19.01.15 15:39:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 304) : Jordaan is still injured and unlikelly to play in Super rugby and Perez it seems is no longer with the Sharks so who will be on the bench?

  • Comment 314, posted at 19.01.15 15:45:09 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 305) : maybe but not before the world cup.

  • Comment 315, posted at 19.01.15 15:47:01 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 313) : like the way you think!!

  • Comment 316, posted at 19.01.15 15:48:22 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 316) : Come on!!

  • Comment 317, posted at 19.01.15 18:13:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 317) : well if they pick the correct combinations there’s no reason why both teams can’t rectify the mistakes of the past! !!!!! GO SHARKS!!!!!! GO PROTEAS!!!!!!!! GO BOKKE!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 318, posted at 19.01.15 20:27:42 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 318) : Make it another year like ’95! That year the Boks won the World Cup, Natal won the Currie Cup and Natal won the Castle Cup in cricket (what also used to be called the Currie Cup!). Man, a set of results like that in 2015 would be nice!!

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 319) : yes a wonderful year when I was young, thin and pretty (now I’m just pretty). Would love the Dolphins to win more trophies and Sharks and Bokke to win trophies as well!!!!!

  • Comment 320, posted at 20.01.15 00:00:09 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 320) : I still had hair!!

  • Comment 321, posted at 20.01.15 00:16:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 321) : hahaha LOL :lol: :cool:

  • Comment 322, posted at 20.01.15 08:14:01 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 309) : Give it a go, see what happens! I also imagine an awesome office filled with Sharks Regalia talking to the boys, but jokes aside, it should be a full time job. Sports Players need that, their lives of celebrity is not without consequence, that and the game itself.

  • Comment 323, posted at 20.01.15 14:11:30 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 323) : I agree with you…about the necessity of it, I mean…

  • Comment 324, posted at 20.01.15 15:12:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 324) : Yeah, crazy to think 2014 Professional Rugby and no Psych on the payrole, 1 quality Psych is worth more than a coach. The game, life, everything, its all in the head.

  • Comment 325, posted at 20.01.15 15:29:17 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 324) : @DarkDestroyer (Comment 325) : must say I think it could make a huge change to young players like Swiel!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 326, posted at 20.01.15 18:30:39 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 326) : Absolutely. The more one thinks about it, the more it seems like The Sharks are missing something, an hour each week with each player from U/19 upward – it seems essential.

  • Comment 327, posted at 21.01.15 08:23:28 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 327) : ja must say I do think it would be usefull for the younsters but also for Senior players who maybe just need a bit extra to get to 100% again.

  • Comment 328, posted at 21.01.15 09:57:31 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 328) : Lets hope for a signing then! But must say the media coming out of the Tank is largely positive, not the hype, but the players themselves seem quite happy, always a good thing to jol with a smile on your face!

  • Comment 329, posted at 21.01.15 10:05:00 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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