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Stormers lock cops 2 year ban


Written by Clayton Saville (Clayton(PJLD))

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Stormers, Super Rugby on 3 Feb 2015 at 08:12
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DHL Stormers lock has been banned for 2 years after testing positive for an anabolic steroid.

As if second row injuries aren’t big enough of a problem Allister Coetzee will now be without the use of Gerbrandt Grobler for 2 years, he is reported to have failed the test during last years Currie Cup .

Coetzee mentioned on Friday that Grobler was absent from the Stormers squad due to “personal medical reasons” before quickly moving on to another subject when being questioned on the injury status of his locks. Jurie van Vuuren , who filled in rather adequately during last years lock crisis will probably replace Grobler .



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  • Wow so these guys do actually get tested? Makes you wonder how so many get through.

    If rugby had testing as strict as cycling there wouldn’t be any players left to run onto the field.

    Good to see strict action is take at least.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.02.15 08:18:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Why in this day and age do players still try and get away with this nonsense?

    I know they test regularly during Super Rugby, the players have to walk past the press area to get tested.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.02.15 08:23:01 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Eina that’s going to be a problem for the Stormers.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.02.15 08:27:47 by JD Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 2) : that’s a good question and stupid is the only answer!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.02.15 08:28:39 by JD Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 2) : And yet I can name with 100% certainty 1 or 2 big name players that have earlier on in their carrier used performance enhancing drugs. (Although obviously not going to)

    In my opinion rugby is far to lenient on these things. It’s all well and good testing in Super Rugby, but testing should start a long time before that.

    I remember in theory they were allowed to test players in school, but only ever with parents and a lawyer present so it rarely ever happened.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.02.15 08:29:31 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 1) : don’t think all players do it but yes some of them use this stuff and gets away.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.02.15 08:31:00 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 5) : yes they should start at school and then also in the junior rugby because that’s were I think it’s happening a lot and nothing is done to stop it.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.02.15 08:34:04 by JD Reply
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  • Eina. Tough for WP. The thing is, ALL players use various supplements and substances, very carefully regulated as to not go over the “legal” limit, so to speak. Every year more and more of these “products” are produced, as technology gets more advanced, pushing the boundaries more and more. And then one day the line gets crossed. Random tests get done, and boom, the player cops a 2 year ban. From a player’s perspective, since they are in an extremely performance driven environment, they need to use every bit of advantage they can find. But the onus is still on them to make sure they are within the law.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.02.15 08:39:30 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Why has this been hushed up,if it happened during last years Currie Cup its been news for some time.
    The guy is a cheat there is absolutely no other way to put it ,and the coaching staff should also be held responsible,They monitor every move their players make,diet,performance,there is no way that they can plead innocent in a case like this.
    This crap will only be stamped out when the Union is held responsible for fielding a cheat.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.02.15 08:49:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : Seriously?

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.02.15 08:51:54 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Sure Lance Armstrong’s whole team was complacent in his cheating,yet he was the only one sanctioned.Make it the coach’s responsibility,to ensure that his medical staff deliver a drug free team on the field,and this crap will stop.All so easy for a guy like Alistar Coetzee to brush this off when he profited as much from this cheat as the poor dumb player himself.
    If you then claim that the medical staff are unable to detect drug cheats,maybe you have the wrong medical guys on the team

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.02.15 09:09:55 by The hound Reply
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  • WTF Stormers, this guy was nailed last year in the Currie Cup and it seems as if they were hoping to pull some strings somewhere, somhow to get this one swept under the carpet. This happened months ago.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.02.15 09:15:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : The reality is that professional sportmen will always push the boundaries in terms of performance, and that includes anabolics of one sort or another.

    I am certain that this is not an isolated case for the Stormers or any other Super rugby side.

    To hold the unions liable is laughable in the extreme, as we are dealing with professional athletes that are responsible for their own bodies and need to take responsibility and the consequences that follow. Blaming the union would just be a cop out imho.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.02.15 09:19:50 by Bump Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 12) : Maybe there was a process that was being followed, why on earth would they just come out and shout it from the rafters.

    The Union was just looking after one of their own, I think they went about it properly.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.02.15 09:20:56 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Bump (Comment 13) :
    Rubish the athlete’s every movement is controlled by the Union ,he is as you so rightly say a professional athlete,part of a professional team.
    At every level he is monitored,if an outside body can randomly detect a drug cheat,please explain to me how a team of professionals whose sole purpose is the performance of the athlete in their charge can’t see it.
    Make them responsible and this will stop.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.02.15 09:30:27 by The hound Reply
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  • Could this scandal have contributed to Coetzee’s resignation?

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.02.15 09:35:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 16) : Not likely

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.02.15 09:38:21 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Anabolic Steroids during the professional era, mate, you have to be a special kind of stupid if you think you’re going to get away with it.
    A young player, handed a contract and now pissed it away. Such a pity, but I can’t feel sorry for him. The sport supplements available are proven to provide results, why go the illegal route, for what?

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.02.15 09:47:40 by Richard Southey Reply

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  • @Richard Southey (Comment 18) : There I have to agree with you, and its not like they have to pay for their own supplements. Hell they don’t even have to go and fetch it themselves, stuff gets delivered to their door.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.02.15 09:55:45 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 19) : Yep; disappointing to say the least, he let himself down, the Union down and his mates down, he will have to live with that for the rest of his life. Eina.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.02.15 10:00:01 by Richard Southey Reply

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  • I agree with the general sentiment – they should in fact punish the whole of the Western Cape by using their taxes for a drug awareness campaign.

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.02.15 10:00:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 14) : “The Union was just looking after one of their own” no doubt hoping to find a loophole somewhere. :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.02.15 10:06:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • open eyes, friends. These guys are ALL doing it.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.02.15 10:07:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 21) : :twisted:

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.02.15 10:08:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Should’ve just stuck to cricket… :-)

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.02.15 10:11:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : It’s all about timing…

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.02.15 10:16:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : you sound like Lance Armstrong.
    My point and I won’t bore you with it anymore,is if it is so easily detected,why does it still exist.
    Short answer is it is a match winning advantage,and lets win at any cost.
    From primary school coaches to National coaches,if you can get benefit from it and not be held in any way accountable for it then turn a blind eye to it.
    The reason it is banned is that it has long term dire results both physically and mentaly,for the player,but these normally happen long after the player has served his use to the coach

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.02.15 10:16:31 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Exactly.

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.02.15 10:17:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Yes!

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.02.15 10:20:20 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Cycling is a slightly different game to rugby, no? And lance was the ringleader of the most sophisticated,long living cheating program in sporting history .

    Not comparable in any way, no much how much of a hysterical hated you are.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.02.15 10:24:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Hater

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.02.15 10:25:24 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 30) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 30) : you are probably too young to remember Ben Johnson,he was a cheat,Athletics,cycling,horse racing,rugby,golf,whatever,if you condone cheats,you are the idiot.
    WWF wrestling was made for guys like you.

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.02.15 10:30:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 32) :
    Run out of coffee this morning?

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.02.15 10:36:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Most use hgh. Can only be detected with a expensive blood test and can only test positive for a few hours after injected. They inject late at night and in the morning when they are tested it will be negative.

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.02.15 10:42:16 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • There is no way u can blame the Union for the stupid act of a player…yes guys are monitored but a strong guy taking steroids wont show much improved strength results etc but his recovery may be quicker. Still what an idiot. I know all contracted players are tested. But yes not all positive tests are made public. Same players just disappear.

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.02.15 10:47:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • No I just hate cheats,Istill remember all the excuse that were made for Hansie Cronje,including the one that the devil made him do it.
    At the end of the day its us, the public that are being conned,getting involved and emotional over a contest that has been predetermined.
    The least you can expect is a fair contest,or else you too , may as well watch WWF

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.02.15 10:49:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 27) : I watched a documentary on performance enhancing drugs and its detection.

    It got a bit scientific, but in essence as soon as the drug is modified, then the existing detection methods are unable to pick it up and detection basically plays a constant game of catch-up.

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.02.15 11:01:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 37) : Gerbrandt would probably disagree with you.

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.02.15 11:04:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 32) :

    I am actually old enough to remember Ben Johnson. He was my friggin hero before getting done.

    Wouldnt be too quick to call people idiots if i was you. Its not the rest of us having hysterical over-reactions and blaming the travails of the free world on the actions of one man.

    For the record i dont agree with the consumption of performance-enhancing substances. Almost as much as i disagree with grown men acting like old women.

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.02.15 11:09:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : THat’s what happens when you use the cheap stuff…should have asked Sonny Bill where he gets his :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.02.15 11:14:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 39) : Why do you always turn a different perspective into a personal attack,I know you are considered royal game here,but please friend I find you incredibly immature.
    You have absolutely no idea of who I am,please keep your really unfunny nasty comments away from me.
    I try very hard to ignore you ,which is very easy,since you are a vacuous attention seeker.

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.02.15 11:30:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : I agree. I am quite certain, admittedly on the basis of anecdotal evidence, that it is rife and much like cycling the testing (especially the timing of it) is always one step behind.

    Every now and again the odd player is caught and sanctioned but there have been any number of incidents of “contaminated supplements” or the wrong “medication taken inadvertently” that have been brushed under the carpet. I know of an international swimmer banned a few years back in virtually identical circumstances to the Springboks who used the contaminated drinks defence when they were caught on the end of year tour.

    The unions and SARFU at best are turning a blind eye although I think that they, or at least elements within the structures, are complicit.
    The rapid bulking up is most evident in the U19-21 stage although I also think that it is being encouraged at school level.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.02.15 11:33:43 by steve Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : maybe he did not changed enough.

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.02.15 11:35:38 by JD Reply
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  • Gerbrandt who? The drugs couldn’t have been that great. The only Gerbrandt Grobler I’ve heard of played fullback for the Bulls.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.02.15 11:45:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 11) : problem is that some teams will let the offending players claim injury or some other reason for not playing whilst the drugs are still showing and then when they’re “clean” they return as if nothing happened.
    Only thing that will work is random test during the season and the off season. I would even go as far as to say at least two random players of each team should be tested after every game during the year.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.02.15 11:48:22 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 12) : as far as I know it takes time as the player can request that their “B-sample” must also be tested before the finding can be made public.

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.02.15 11:50:55 by JD Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 34) : that’s really worrying!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.02.15 11:53:45 by JD Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 44) : He was a double Ble Bull cricket and rugby,and probably would have been a double Bok if he hadn’t been taken very young in a horrific car accident.

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.02.15 11:55:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 40) : he’s not on the same salary as SBW so he had to buy the cheap stuff?!?!?! :twisted:

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.02.15 11:56:57 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : yes he was a good player but sorry to say I did not like him, maybe it was because he used to play for that blue team.

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.02.15 12:09:38 by JD Reply
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  • I’d like to jump in here with a different view fellas.

    Doping is rife in all sports – all sports. If you think that the once in a blue moon positive test and subsequent ban like this is proof that its isolated bad apples I’m afraid you’re very wrong. And if you think it prevalent in cycling, NFL, athletics etc but not in rugby because its somehow different or better you are wrong as well.

    Players are bigger, stronger, faster than ever before and not all of that is the magical impact of professionalism/improved training/diet. We all know SA schoolboy rugby is choc full of young roiders so it would be very naive to think that magically stops when they reach senior levels.

    Players are recovering in record times. What would have been a potential career ending injury is now 3 months out. If this isn’t a red flag I don’t know what is.

    If your response is going to be “They get tested all the time” I’m going to put this here: Lance Armstrong is the most tested athlete in the history of sport. How many dope tests did he fail? Justin Gatlin got caught doping and was banned for 2 years. He came back to sprinting recently and ran times quicker than before when he was on the sauce. Does anyone actually think he’s doing it without the drugs now? Do you think he hasn’t been tested to high hell? He’s still doping he’s just beating the system like many of pro athletes do.

    The testers are losing the battle against steroids. Hell they lost it a long time ago. They just like a headline such as this out there now and then to make Joe Average think the anti doping movement is making inroads and keeping sports clean. Its not.

    Sorry for the wall of text.

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.02.15 12:10:45 by Dryden Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 42) :

    If you go back you’ll see it was indeed your good self that started with the ad hominem insults when you attempted to infer i was too young to remember a certain sports star and aslo calling me an idiot.
    You then continue in similar fashion above, the irony of your statement not being lost on me.

    But lets not let your ego or misconceptions ge tin the way of your blinkered window to the world.

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.02.15 12:11:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 42) : well if you look at the size of some school boys it would not be a surprise if it’s true!!!!

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.02.15 12:11:18 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 42) :

    You’re right, I dont know you and can only judge your personality via your (normally hysterical) outbursts.
    If you want to create a different impression, perhaps wind your neck in a bit?

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  • @JD (Comment 49) : That’s what happens when you buy from your local Dischem….save now, pay later :twisted:

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.02.15 12:14:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 54) : Are you for real,leave it out friend,I promise never ever respond to anything you say again.Never feed the troll.

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.02.15 12:18:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dryden (Comment 51) : sorry to say but you’re 100% correct!!!!! Just think of how many people get’s in trouble only after they retired when the tests caught up with the drugs!!!!! Money Money Money is all that matters!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.02.15 12:24:55 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 55) : LMAO!!!!!!! HAHAHA funny boet very funny!!!!!! Skerp!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.02.15 12:30:59 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : Jip in the USA they tested 1000 suspected hgh users and only 1 was positive.

    In the ufc(mixed martial arts) they tested the champ and contender for a period of 8 weeks before fight night for hgh etc..

    Both negative results but the cost was like 50 000 dollars.

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.02.15 15:17:22 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 59) : if it works out so quickly it would be impossible to trace with the current test unless the user get sloppy or windgat.
    Geez the lengths some people will go to, to get an edge is really scarry especially because all these drugs will have some effect on you body when you get older!!!!!!

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.02.15 15:35:50 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 60) : Exactly. And the testing is to expensive. Most people know it will only be urine test and that nothing will show.

    I am not going to give more detail in the forum, maybe some youngster are trying to get some tips here lol

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.02.15 15:53:05 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 61) : You say that like they can’t just Google it lol.

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.02.15 16:32:06 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 61) : ja think it’s better to stop now and just acknowledge it’s a huge problem!!!!!!!

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.02.15 17:15:26 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 57) :

    Can you pinky promise? Please?

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.02.15 17:41:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 64) : looking for shit much?

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.02.15 19:20:58 by JD Reply
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  • My personal favourite? “Personal medical reasons!!” Kakaka…

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.02.15 19:33:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 65) : Not really. Just don’t feel like going 9 rounds with him again. We obviously don’t see eye to eye.

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.02.15 20:08:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 67) : And he’s made that claim before but then can seemingly not withstand the urge to comment. Me on the other hand – I never said any such thing – and will continue to call him or anybody out over any bull shit I see.

    Seriously – he tried to compare a 22 y/o rugbyplauer with lance Armstrong. How can I possibly let that go?

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.02.15 20:10:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : not that I’m on anyone’s side or anything but some people seems to have forgotten that the mighty Ackers was also band for using “stuff”.
    I believe it’s wrong and any player found guilty should be dealt with.
    If you however did your time and cleaned up then play the game and get on with your life.

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.02.15 22:22:55 by JD Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : I am however seriously concerned about youngsters getting injured and wonder how many of these injuries is caused by these “performance enhancing products” that’s used by school boys.
    Muscles needs to be formed on a solid base and if it’s done to quickly it can be build around a weak centre. Although it will look good the centre will be weak and prone to injury/tearing.

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.02.15 22:35:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 53) : I watched DR EG Jansen 1st team on tour playing Colchester Colts a month or two ago and could not believe the size of those boys. The one lock in particular was huge….tall and muscle bound. By all accounts will walk the SA schools side. Made the broader squad last year as a 16 year old.

    Man those Boer seuns were huge

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.02.15 00:17:49 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 71) : just hope it’s natural and not “performance products” that makes them so big.

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.02.15 07:34:39 by JD Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 71) : Check this

    ohannesburg – Two pupils of the Dr EG Jansen High School in Boksburg, on Johannesburg’s East Rand, will appear before a disciplinary hearing after being caught in possession of steroids,Netwerk24 reported on Wednesday.
    Principal Leon de Beer called the police to arrest the two boys, aged 16 and 17, on the school premises.
    The school’s governing body decided to suspend the boys pending the outcome of the hearing next week.
    Governing body chairperson Kobus Kleynhans said any children caught using steroids would not be allowed to participate in school sport again.
    The police said the boys were arrested and then released into their parents’ care.

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.02.15 10:32:07 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 73) : that’s bad!!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.02.15 11:04:43 by JD Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 73) : I saw that…aiaiaiaiai!

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  • @JD (Comment 72) : What are the odds of that?

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 76) : unfortunately looking at comment 73 not a lot.

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.02.15 13:15:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 70) :

    No need to pick sides mate. Id much prefer a discussion.

    There have been loads of guys caught – Matt Stevens (and it wasnt even performance-enhacing!) Cobus Visagie, Spies (?), Ackers

    There have long been stories about French players guzzling dow the amphetemines in 70s and 80s.

    I also remember a certain WC-winning fullback who, early in his career, had a layoff for injury and when returning to the field had put on easily 20kg. Not pointing fingers, but at the time i remember lots of talk about it.

    A recent study by WADA in SA revealed 12 positives out of 52 tests taken at school boy level.
    1 out of 3 sportsmen in the UK serving bans for doping are rugby players.

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.02.15 13:21:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 78) : That seems like a lot of stuff is being used and that many are actually caught. Why dont we hear about it then in the mainstream sports media. Its as if there a is a conscious effort to hush things up. On that note good on the head of the school and governing body at EG Jansen for getting the SAPS involved.

  • Comment 79, posted at 04.02.15 15:14:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 80) :

    Yeah i know, its always been the case.
    At schoolboy level, unless you’re playing representative level there’s no checks.
    So guys can load up at the age of 17 or 18 and hope to crack the nod after school. by which time they’ve already bulked up.

    In my playing days I never saw roids, but i did see a lot of ephedrine and the like.

  • Comment 80, posted at 04.02.15 15:21:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 78) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 79) : it’s a huge problem and as long as there is money to be made someone will sell it and other wil use it to get an edge.
    Must say I’m also glad about the stance that the school took and I must congratulate them on it!!!!!! Hopefully the two will spill the beans on how and where they got it so that the whole chain can be closed down.

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.02.15 16:27:07 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 82) :

    While the carrot is a professional rugby career nothing will change; in fact it’ll only get worse.

    Same story in the US, across almost all sports.
    There they reckon >5% (up to 12%) of male high school students have used roids.
    There’s a lot more to play for there though, with baseball, AFL and basketball stars generating enormous amounts of money. Add to this the American “want everything now” attitude and you’ll see why it is rife.

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.02.15 19:15:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 82) : ja boet greed is a bad thing!!!!

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.02.15 07:36:51 by JD Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 82) : Saddest part is that something like 75% of NFL* athletes will go bankrupt after they retire. Makes you wonder if putting your body through all that is really worth it?

    *Or is that statistic applicable to professional athletes across all American leagues? I honestly can’t remember. I started watching a documentary about it but never finished it.

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.02.15 09:02:44 by vanmartin Reply
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