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Strongest Sharks likely for Chiefs


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Springboks, Super Rugby on 18 Mar 2015 at 13:20
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Today’s SARU clarification regarding the resting of Springbok players in a World Cup year did a fair bit to ease my mind ahead of this weekend’s key clash between the Sharks and the Chiefs.

The sticking point – one which could potentially have led to impasse and perhaps even a nasty spat between the Sharks and the national body – relates to the five-game maximum for key Springboks. While the list of affected players has not been released, we can say with certainty that both Pat Lambie and Marcell Coetzee would be subject to this ruling and having each played in every one of the five matches to date, would ideally be earmarked to rest this week.

As I wrote yesterday (erroneously assuming, as it turned out, that non-contracted Bok Cobus Reinach would be subject to the same restriction) the forced withdrawal of these key players ahead of a crucial match against the in-form Chiefs would be nothing short of a hammer blow to the Sharks, just in the process of resurrecting their campaign after a poor start. I think few would argue that a loss against the Chiefs this weekend would be a major setback and for the Sharks to be artificially constrained in selection for this match is hard to justify, even with the World Cup “bigger picture” firmly in sight.

SARU have clarified their stance, talking about their ideals versus the reality in which provincial coaches find themselves. I’m glad that the parties appear to be approaching this issue in a collaborative spirit, with acceptance that the day-to-day situations in which teams find themselves are not always conducive to complying with that ideal situation. SARU urges coaches to stick to that ideal “as closely as possible” – the Sharks will, I’m sure, argue that by picking Lambie and Coetzee this week (with a rest to come the week after) they are making an acceptable compromise in terms of what’s desired by the national body and what’s required by their other direct stakeholders (including passionate fans like you and me).

The Sharks team to face the Chiefs at the weekend will be named tomorrow and is expected to be largely the same as the one that started in Bloemfontein, apart from the absence of Pieter-Steph du Toit.



51 Comments

  • Honestly, I’d still prefer to see them rested although I do understand how necessary their contributions are in this game

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.03.15 13:26:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • So is it confirmed then – only contracted Boks are affected by this ruling?

    Sharks – Jannie, Bismarck, Beast, Alberts, Marcell and Lambie.
    Bulls – Strauss, Matfield, Flip, Hougaard, Serfontein, JJ.
    Stormers – Etzebeth, Kolisi, Vermeulen, Allende, (and JDV)
    Free State – Coenie, Hendricks and Le Roux

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.03.15 13:26:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Very good news, although I have to be honest, without Lambie and Coetzee, we may well have to work hard even against the Force. Sorry to be Johnny Raincloud after a nice piece of reassurance like this.

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.03.15 13:34:09 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) : No, who confirmed it?

    Rob was mentioning Reinach and Mahoje from the Cheetahs as well. This is all so bloody confusing.

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.03.15 13:49:14 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 4) : I am asking the question – based on the article here.

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.03.15 13:54:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 5) : The article says.

    ” relates to the five-game maximum for key Springboks.”

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.03.15 13:57:45 by Ben Reply
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  • SARU should just come out and publish the damn list. You now have guys like Brenden Nel having a go at the Sharks for planning to play Lambie, Coetzee and Reinach (???) this weekend.

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.03.15 13:58:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 5) : @Ben (Comment 6) : ‘key’ not ‘contracted’

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.03.15 13:58:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 6) : “erroneously assuming, as it turned out, that non-contracted Bok Cobus Reinach would be subject to the same restriction”

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.03.15 13:59:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 9) : Yeah, like I said. This is all so confusing.

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.03.15 14:00:51 by Ben Reply
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  • I feel a rotation plan, should be trusted. Zeilinga can step in for Lambie for one game. There should have been a pre-determined plan of what game they wanted that to be.

    Maybe even the Chiefs game, or the Bulls game. Yes, between the two Lambie is more accomplished and the Sharks a more confident outfit, but if you are only changing Lambie, then you should trust a second choice to be able to do a job for you for one week.

    I know it’s extremely difficult for coaches, but I agree with the 5 match workload rule that SARU has asked for. I think it would be much better on players bodies and unless it really can’t be avoided should be employed at all costs.

    For example, we now have 3 injuries in our loosies and can hardly afford to lose Marcell this weekend, especially since we also lost our lock/loosie hybrid to a long term injury, but in all honesty, I would have rested Lambie, because I am against resting 3 players at once against the Force next week and after that we have the Crusaders, so when will we rest them, if not all at once against the Force next week.

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.03.15 14:11:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : who cares what he says?

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.03.15 14:13:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 11) : I’m guessing Lambie and Marcell would have been rested against the Cheetahs had we not been in the situation that we found ourselves in. 1/4

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.03.15 14:15:45 by Ben Reply
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  • I know it’s confusing.

    I only know Reinach isn’t on the list because the person I asked today told me he isn’t. The person I asked yesterday told me he is.

    And both work for SARU, so go figure.

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.03.15 14:16:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 11) : I would have gone for a compromise – rest Marcell this week, and Lambie and Bismarck next week.

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.03.15 14:18:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • We had 4 loosies in one match at a stage – the coaches could not have predicted to have injuries to 5 players that could play in the back row.

    Oosthuizen, Willem, Deysel, Mtembu, PSTD

    So I would understand if they are looking to play Marcell until one of those guys return (those are unforeseen circumstances).

    But Reinach and Lambie should be rested very soon and Bissie, next week.

    Not to mention SP, MVOVO who also played each game and though they aren’t Boks should also be managed.

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.03.15 14:21:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 13) :

    Yes, but don’t you think if you are managing you players and you are making that decision (which I think was the right one btw – we needed a win), that you should understand that the continued management of that player would have the consequence that you would then rest them in the next game?

    There’s always going to be a reason not to rest them. You are always going to want to play your best player in each position, but if you manage the plan carefully, you might only ever have to change 1 or 2 players at a time.

    I get it though, its tough, we’ve been losing players consistently each week, so rotating a player just adds to that loss, but we need to start somewhere, unless coaching staff really disagrees and they believe players can go 18 Weeks with only 2 beys and then go directly into international rugby for 6 more weeks and then onto a world cup – AND that is even a lighter load than non-world cup years.

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.03.15 14:26:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 17) : I hear you. We seem to have a fair-weather rotation policy.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.03.15 14:29:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 15) :

    In would like to see Cobus rested as well, regardless of whether SARU requires him to be rested.

    And I would rest him and Lambie together. And bring in Zeilinga as a half-back pairing with the scrumhalf he’s been practicing with, if that is Ungerer during Vodacom Cup, then that is what I would do.

    I would only rest Marcell when we have Deysel, Willem, Mtembu back and then give him two consecutive weeks to make up for the load he has been carrying.

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.03.15 14:31:35 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 18) : But like I said, I get it, it would be much harder to make that decision if you had to pick the team and be responsible for the losses of the team.

    Still, you are just as responsible for managing a player and I know guys like Bissie feel they can play each week, but you can see the amount of rugby they are playing have been taking a toll on their performances.

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.03.15 14:33:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 20) : That reminds me. @robdylan (Comment 14) : Any news on Tera’s knee?

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.03.15 14:36:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 20) :

    I just feel if you had a player “management calendar” – Where everyone knew when exactly they would get their week of and coaches had already planned ahead that that player would not be around for that week, then sticking to the plan may be easier. When injuries occur the “management calendar” should be re-assessed, but again if you do it right away and there is a pre-determined plan, I feel like it would be easier to stick with it.

    In the end, I feel it is better for the team to have players fresh than to over-play them.

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.03.15 14:41:53 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 21) : I haven’t heard

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.03.15 14:52:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • The only player that I am keen to see rotated is S.P. hopefully for the rest of the season.
    I feel that when the Sharks sold me a season ticket it was on the promise that they would field their strongest team for every game.
    Are we resting the players for the benefit of theSuper15,or the World Cup.
    The problem is not with the players it is with SANZAR’s greed in trying to squeeze every available cent out of this tournament.I can’t for the life of me understand how we can play some teams twice and not play other teams at all.I personally think 15 teams are the problem,especially in a world cup year..
    In no other sport in the world does the World Cup supersede the domestic game.Try resting Premier League,Serie A,or La League players in a world or European Cup year.
    We should never have left the Super12 format,where every team played every team,and the top two played the final.That has always worried me as a league is a league,top team wins no final.

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.03.15 15:43:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : We have a draw this year with a game for each of the first ten weeks. Some players will have to be rested along the way – otherwise they will be knackered way before the bye. So I also believe a carefully planned rotation plan is the way to go.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.03.15 16:05:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • What nonsense. Rest the guys before they get hurt.

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.03.15 16:14:30 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) :

    Its for that very reason that i don’t watch football. Well, one fo many reasons.

    International rugby, much like cricket, is the pinnacle of the sport.

    Anyway, i feel playing players into the gorund, until they get injured, is short-sighted and not optimal from the players perspective, a financial perspective or long-term planning perspective. Just my 2c.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.03.15 16:19:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : :shock:

    Next time they come selling tickets at your doorstep, you should try to get that promise in writing.

    You bought the ticket knowing full well that Brendan Venter was going to be involved and what his philosophy on rotation is.

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.03.15 16:30:37 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 27) : Yes this!
    “International rugby, much like cricket, is the pinnacle of the sport.”

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.03.15 16:32:40 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) :

    SP :|

    Hard to defend anymore. One step forward 4 steps back.

    His potential (at 26 btw), is worth nothing if he can’t do the basics, consistently.

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.03.15 17:31:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 30) :

    I would love to see us put another player in his place.. Skewed kicks against the Chiefs will be fatal – no, let me correct that – ONE SKEWED KICK and that could be it.

    I like Jaco van Tonder. I don’t think he’s Willie le Roux, Jesse Kriel or Cheslin Kolby, but from what I have seen from him he is very calm at the back and makes sound decisions.

    I just like his style, more understated than the norm these days, but since we don’t have one of those “special players” I’d prefer him to SP.

    Also, Lionel Cronje was a good option during CC and much saver than SP.

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.03.15 17:36:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 27) : Whether we like it or not, rugby and cricket are becoming more similar to football every year. Money makes the world go round after all.

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.03.15 18:54:22 by Ben Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : Tell Brendon Nell to pull himself towards himself and hump himself.

    This same idjut always has a go at the Sharks, he wont have a go at the Bulls when they do the same thing.

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.03.15 19:33:42 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 33) : Brenden and I fell out because of my bias. He has none, which makes it a lot easier to see when other people are biased.

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.03.15 19:38:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 32) :

    Not arguing about that.

    But whilst the national bodies, and not the uions/clubs run the show in the SH, internaitonal rugby will always be more importnat.

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.03.15 19:42:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) :

    Lol. Well played.

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.03.15 19:43:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Didn’t want to say anything because I thought he was your mate. I did think he was a bit of a poepol when I met him. :)

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.03.15 19:47:11 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 35) : Let’s hope it stays that way…

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.03.15 19:50:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 36) : at least I advertise what I am…. :)

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.03.15 19:52:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 37) : I tried very hard to be his mate. I really did. But I believe the relationship is now terminal.

    On the other side, if I have to count up all the people I’ve fallen out with because of this site and then counter that against all the wonderful friends I’ve made, I’m still happy with the way the equation works out.

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.03.15 19:53:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Met him ata Loftus in the Press box when I did a few article for Rugby-Talk, trust me he is an A*hole of note, Stephen Nel is a nice bloke.

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.03.15 20:08:46 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 41) : not convinced he’s well-liked in rugby circles

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.03.15 20:10:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Impossible to be friends with everyone bro, that’s life,

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.03.15 20:10:25 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Yup I doubt that too.

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.03.15 20:11:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • A Journo that was always very friendly was Liam

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.03.15 20:13:12 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I just truly hope that we do not get into a situation when we say “oh how we wish that Lambie/Coetzee/Bismarck was rested as they were suppose to. Trust in your squad. That was the message from the Sharks. So trust your squad. Everyone in the squad should be able to stand up. Else we do not have the right players in the squad.

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.03.15 21:13:30 by bokbok Reply

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  • Not sure how many know this, but this weekends match it seems is in honour of people living with Autism, Sharks will be wearing blue armbands. Another great message from the Sharks.

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.03.15 21:48:27 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Wonder when we will see some rotation in the backs. Want to see Ungerer or Wright in the 23 soon, will also have to give Fred a go soon enough. JvT or Cronje at fullback.

    It worked well in 2013 CC, and it is a must for a long tournament like the Super 75.

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.03.15 23:19:16 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • What if both the strong and the weaker teams lose in the next 2 weeks?

    Nightmare scenario for GG, because the calls for his head will be pretty serious then.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.03.15 05:09:10 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Seems some people read what they want into every post.
    I am merely stating what a lot of people have said,the Super rugby tournament is to long and to brutal.Instead of being forced to rest players and field weakened teams,rather have fewer matches.
    This tournament has the potential to be the best sporting tournament ever but for that to happen you need full strength teams every week.
    Australia and South Africa,do not have the players to play five fullstrength teams every game under the current system.If each country had 4 teams and the tournament went back to what it was in super12 we wouldn’t have to revert to this sham rotation
    Stronger teams,better quality matches,make for a better spectacle.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.03.15 08:52:13 by The hound Reply
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  • Wentzel for PSDT only change

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