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“My actions were unacceptable” – Bismarck


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 23 Mar 2015 at 09:00
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Bismarck du Plessis has issued an apology after his red card against the Chiefs (and subsequent four-week suspension).

Via a release on the Sharks website, du Plessis said “I want to unreservedly apologise for my behaviour both as captain and a senior player. My actions were unacceptable and I fully accept the punishment handed down to me by SANZAR.

“I will use these four-weeks off the field to reflect on my actions as both a leader and role-model in the game. I am painfully aware that people have lost faith in my character and the values I claim to stand for. I intend to rectify that through actions going forward and not merely words.

“By my very competitive nature, whenever I take to the field, I pride myself on playing the game hard and fair. Sadly my recent conduct did not reflect the fairness I refer to. I am passionate about the Cell C Sharks, my teammates and the game but allowed my emotions to get the better of me.

“I acknowledge that I need to have better control of my emotions and I make no excuses for my actions.

“I would like to extend my sincere apologises to Michael Leitch, my opponent who was on the receiving end of my foul play. My intention was never to cause him bodily harm and I am thankful that he was not injured. I would also like to use this opportunity to apologise to my teammates, Cell C Sharks fans and everyone else that I have let down.”

The Sharks have imposed an additional punishment, described as “heavy” although further details will not be revealed. Gary Gold added that “Discipline both on and off the field is a non-negotiable for me and it is a critical factor for success. Whilst I will always back my players in difficult times, it is important that we draw the line when it comes to foul play.

“Bismarck has apologised to our management and players for his actions and I am comfortable that he has showed sufficient remorse for his behaviour. I trust that this is a learning experience for him and I am confident that he will emerge a stronger individual as a result.”

The question for fans, after a second heartfelt apology from the same player within the space of just three weeks is just how sincere the words really are – and the extent to which the actions that follow will back them up. I guess we’ll only know when Bismarck returns to the field, which now won’y be before the Sharks Antipodean tour.



238 Comments

  • Apology accepted.

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.03.15 09:07:07 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Ditto here. Let’s move on now.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.03.15 09:09:09 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Rob, why do you question his apology?

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.03.15 09:15:24 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 3) :

    Yes, really? :|

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.03.15 09:19:13 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 3) : @Letgo (Comment 4) : It’s the second time this season that he has appologised for his inability to show emotional maturity on the field of play.

    It might be sincere, but he seems to be making a habit of being sincerely wrong.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.03.15 09:32:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 5) : Yes..that.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.03.15 09:34:44 by Ice Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 5) : 100′s of other players never even apologize for their actions, the fact that he did shows he has class, yet you still question him?

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.03.15 09:35:26 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : Jinne welkom :)

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.03.15 09:36:06 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Second public apology in what 4 weeks? Time for some introspection Bismarck. Problem with apologizing so many times is that it starts losing its value. i for one am thinking he is just saying the words so the thing can blow over. How much sincerity is in that? Apologies mean nothing without the will and evidence of change, thus far I haven’t seen it. As for being captain he should be removed from that office, as a veteran he is setting a shocking example Lambie handled captaincy well, but I would not want the pressures of being captain to affect Lambie’s game which is becoming very good. Maybe Tera and Kanko can rotate just as they will inevitably rotate the nr8 Jersey.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.03.15 09:37:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 7) : 100′s of players do not kick their opposition in the head with the sharp end of their studded togs…especially not for merely having your legs held by said player. :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.03.15 09:38:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : It was not the head, it was the neck. I watched it over and over he did not make contact with his head.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.03.15 09:39:09 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : Look I am not defending what he did. My point is stop kicking the guy when hes down. He accepted hes done wrong. Why push harder and harder and question who he is. I highly doubt Bulls supporters would do this to bakkies if he did it.

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.03.15 09:41:28 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) : THIS

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.03.15 09:42:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 12) : I think you actually are.

    That said, go watch hte tape again. If you do, I’m sure you’ll realise it was Reinach’s fault :)

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.03.15 09:43:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 12) : I try really hard, on this site and in life, not to model my conduct on that of Bulls supporters. It’s like a little mantra for me.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.03.15 09:43:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 12) :

    Neither would any other team.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.03.15 09:46:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 12) : @robdylan (Comment 15) : What Rob said…definitely what Rob said ;-)

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.03.15 09:48:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 11) : time for the Sharks to move on from this guy,he has been given every chance and proved that the is an immature thug.
    No matter what any one says here a kick aimed at an opponents head is unforgiveable.I don’t want this guy captaining the team anymore,no matter how good he is,and he is.
    Imagine if that kick had succeeded and landed in the guys face.Sorry unforgivable for a profesional sportsman.
    Maybe he has a future in MMA

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.03.15 09:49:43 by The hound Reply
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  • those questioning my stance here need a reality check.

    I support the team. I find it very difficult to stand up for individuals whose REPEATED ACTIONS undermine the team’s efforts.

    If a player doesn’t hold that jersey in as much regard as I do, I reserve the right to say so.

    This is very different to questioning performance or form, because these things come and go. Discipline is different. Your conduct on the field is always within your control and your control only.

    To not acknowledge how badly Bismarck and Frans let their team mates, coaches and fans down is to condone their behaviour. And I won’t. End of.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.03.15 09:52:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • And I get so the hell in with this “arme Steyntjie en arme Bissie” kak. These are not pets or kindergarten pupils. They are grown men who need to take responsibility for their actions.

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.03.15 09:53:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 18) : I suppose Tyler Fisher should be captain.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.03.15 09:53:21 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 21) : you’re confusing the Hound with Saffex (who I banned)

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.03.15 09:55:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 12) : What do we say WHEN it happens again…just accept yet another apology?

    We all accepted his first apology with open arms, but he has since decided to go back on his apology, by this time escalating his level of retaliation.

    Personally, I am seeing a disturbing upward curve in his actions.

    I wonder if the added pressure of captaincy is just too much for him to handle.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.03.15 09:55:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • It’s useless really.

    The fact is, while Bismarck is one of my favorite players (top 5), obviously isn’t everyone’s favorite. While they are unwilling to admit that while rebuking him, it is something that has been clear in the past.

    But it is useless trying to argue that point right now, because I doubt very much that anyone would admit that their overly aggressive emotional reactions towards Bismarck’s on field actions, are very much influenced by their disfavour of the player, in the first place.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.03.15 09:56:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • I too am very disappointed with what Bismarck did. Especially since he is one of my favorite players. I think he is better than that and in the past has proven when provoked he could translate that frustration and aggression into his game and put in massive, match winning performances for the Sharks.

    For whatever reason, this season, Bismarck has been unable to control his emotions and even when he has been able to just control it, he has still reacted in very immature manners towards players who have purposefully been provoking him. And he clearly needs to sort out this part of his game.

    But I believe he will turn it around and I believe he will take this 4 weeks to work on that part of his game.

    And I can’t wait to welcome him back for the first game on tour.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.03.15 09:57:44 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : AMEN!!!!

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.03.15 09:58:18 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Perhaps our TD can have a good chat with Bismarck – he knows full well what it feels like to miss a World cup due to an ill-conceived stamp.

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.03.15 09:59:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I for one have always been a massive fan of the passion Bismarck has showed on field and have always admired how he could play with so much passion and heart and yet always play fair.

    I hope he will be back to the Bissie of old, who put in massive bone crunching tackles and big busting runs. And the Bissie that was composed under the greatest of pressure and always lead from the front.

    Whatever it is that turned things around for him and turned his passion into frustration and lashing out like he has the past few weeks, I sincerely hope and as a massive fan of his believe, that he will turn it around.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.03.15 10:03:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 23) : Look the guy obviously has some issues at the moment, it might be personal stuff at home who knows. But get off his back is all I am saying he already got punished three times, once on the field, once by commissioner and once by the sharks management. Why carry on about it? what are you going to achieve by trying to belittle the guy? Why is everyone trying to make him a nothing when he has always done everything for the Sharks? The Sharks won be happy move on.

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.03.15 10:04:00 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) :

    Rob, you have every right to be upset – specifically with Bismarck, who had full control of his actions. And by the way, I get that this has built up over the past few weeks, where he has been acting very immaturely on field towards his opponents.

    But I still don’t understand you questioning his character and commitment the team? And all this talk about “bigger than the team”?

    And I really do not believe that you, specifically you, would have reacted the same to many other players in the team? Your public reaction to Bismarck’s on-field actions seem very personal and even emotional to me.

    I believe that a player who has given his all to this team over a 12 year career, deserves some respect, even while his rebuke should be severe under these circumstances.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.03.15 10:11:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) :

    BTW, Rob. You know I respect your opinion and your writing. And I understand your emotions.

    I think all of us are emotional. We have been since our first game and loss, but I really believe there is a a disrespect shown here to a player that has been a massive part of Sharks rugby for a very long time and while his actions deserve rebuke, his stature at the Sharks, still deserves respect.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.03.15 10:16:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 30) : Food for thought. I cannot, hand on heart, argue that I particularly like the player. Credit for calling me out on that point. I’m not sure the remainder of my argument is invalid, however. Bismarck is the captain and needs to put the team first. He didn’t do that on Saturday, regardless of how we choose to look at it.

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.03.15 10:17:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) : Thanks. I appreciate and respect that.

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.03.15 10:18:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m going to stand aside a moment and watch everyone have a go… :mrgreen:
    Personally, I believe that his words are sincere and I’ll look forward to his return and see what happens then. Based on my experience in such matters, I must say that temperament traits and temperament trait patterns are notoriously difficult to change once you’re past about 25. The first step to change is recognising the problem…I really think Bismarck has done that. The next step – changing the pattern of behaviour that are based on the temperament trait patterns – is very difficult…but possible.
    I hope the Sharks give him the professional help he will need to do that. But I’ll always give the guy the chance. And so I’ll be watching this particular space.
    Now go right ahead ladies and gents…

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.03.15 10:21:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I’m waiting for Vince to come and say: I told you so – relating to a previous thread (if I recall it was The beaten by a better team thread) where he warned us about Bissie and Frans and their attitudes :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.03.15 10:23:50 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : Sorry Letgo, but that is about the biggest BS I’ve heard in a long time…One can like someone as a player, but dislike (negative)certain aspects of same player. On this one, I agree with Rob. I’ll accept his apology on condition.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.03.15 10:24:31 by Ice Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 29) : To be perfectly honest, I’ll get off his case as soon as he is stripped of his captaincy.

    I do not like him as the captain, and his ill discipline is reinforcing my views….he is a hooker, he is a leader, but he is most definitely not a captain.

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.03.15 10:31:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Bismarck cpuld shoot somebody on the field and Letgo would still try to defend him.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.03.15 10:31:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) :

    Steyn is a different story all together.

    I don’t think there was any intent on his side to tip the player. He wanted to tackle him hard and that’s all, but in a way that is my problem with him.

    Steyn (And you know he has always been one of my favorites) while he should now be one of the senior players who take responsibility, still goes into a tackle with a sort of a reckless abandon, which may have been forgiven when he was 18.

    He can’t just say, I didn’t try to tip tackle him. There should be a clear indication that he actually tried “NOT TOO” tip tackle the player. OR specifically concentrated on NOT completing a full on tackle after a player has released the ball. He should understand that it is his responsibility to think about actually NOT putting himself in these situations. He can’t just say, I didn’t try to do that.

    I think sometimes both these players don’t understand how much the team needs them. They are still acting like two 20 year old players who just put everything in, but they can’t do that anymore. They need to think further than aggression and passion and heart and take some responsibility. The team need to be able to pull together around these guys, arguably two of the best players in the Sharks team, but if they are just all heart and passion, the team almost have to try to temper them at times, which really isn’t something you should ever say about a leader.

    I agree that some serious introspection is needed by both these players, both need to understand that as senior players and as leaders, your responsibility to the team is bigger than just putting everything into your game, sometimes as a leader you need to be able to understand that pulling back on your aggression could also be a good thing.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.03.15 10:32:27 by Letgo Reply
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  • I think the only reason Rob posted this apology was so that he could add the last paragraph.
    He clearly has no time for Bismarck or Steyn and doesnt believe they are sincere people.

    We get it, time to move on.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.03.15 10:32:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 38) : LMAO :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.03.15 10:34:52 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • The question is how is he going to make it up to everyone he let down again? His form has also gone down so unless he makes a complete 180 in terms of form this will always haunt him seeing that it’s probably his last SR.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.03.15 10:36:00 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Point being made was, They stand behind their players through thick and thin. Something Sharks supporters should learn.

    @robdylan (Comment 14) : Rob, if you watch the relays carefully you will see Reinach shouting to Bissie,” Skop die bliksem in die nek, Skop hom in die nek!” :twisted:

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.03.15 10:39:38 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 36) :

    Hey Ice, nice to see you here.

    But no, I sincerely believe that there is a disrespect shown here to the player in general, not just to his actions. And I sincerely believe a player of Bismarck’s stature is due some respect.

    Btw, I also accept his apology on condition, but not as daringly as it was said in the article – a sort of, lets just wait and see.

    I say. Bismarck, I cannot know how sincere the apology is, but the way you reacted (or were forced by your union, because i don’t know), was honorable. Admitting you did something wrong and spending time to fix that part of your game is exactly what is needed now.

    But, as we all know, it will not help, if you apologize and your actions do not back this up, so the only way for this apology to carry any weight is for you to come back and prove yourself to your bitterly disappointed fans again.

    Good luck and I hope to see you back better and stronger (more stable – mentally ;-) , than ever).

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.03.15 10:40:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 38) : I think the Sharks (Natal) have had a convicted killer playing for them before….a hooker if I rememeber. Geez I may be totally wrong.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.03.15 10:41:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 37) : Yes he might not be a good captain with regards to his own management on field. I think however he is a good captain with decisions on the field. I do agree it might be time we look for someone else, however, what disruption would this bring to the team if it happens now, a 1/4 into the season?

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.03.15 10:42:24 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 38) :

    Vin, I don’t believe I am defending Bismarck’s actions. I have not once said what he has done was not wrong. I have not once said that he does not deserve his punishment.

    I merely saying that the reaction towards his red, in my opinion, is disrespectful to a stalwart of Sharks rugby and is not a reaction I would expect for most if not all (except Steyn), Sharks players.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.03.15 10:42:47 by Letgo Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 18) : I presume you feel the same way about Jean Deysel.

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.03.15 10:44:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) : Obviously when the guy leaves everyone will cry me a river again that we don’t have a replacement for the guy, and blame management for not looking after our players and always letting them go to overseas clubs. Yet when in a sharks jersey they get shown so much hate.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.03.15 10:48:31 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 46) : We’ll be playing with a new captain for the next 4 weeks, so the impact will be visible during that time already.

    I never wanted Lambie to have yet another responsibility this soon in his career, but he is the only viable option.

    If Saturday was anything to go by, he has the very unique ability to stay calm in the midst of some seriously adverse conditions:

    1. Nervous ref struggling to control opposition captain and team.
    2. Captain red carded within 15mins.
    3. Inside Center red carded by the 20th minute mark.
    4. Storm breaking loose overhead and having to manage penalty kicks.
    5. Players getting fouled by the opposition, and players losing their heads around him.

    …yet he remained as calm as I’ve seen from a captain.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.03.15 10:53:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Also

    I just need to add, that I have met both these guys a few times and that always makes it much harder when people show – for a lack of a better word – so much “hatred” (or maybe rather contempt) towards them.

    They are both really nice, down to earth oaks. Who has always given me my 5 minutes when I have met and bothered them with questions, as a fan. Even when I would stop them in the gym. So for me to just see them as these awful guys who only does anything for themselves, would be completely impossible.

    What Bismarck did on the field was inexcusable, but I don’t think it makes him a bad person, but rather someone who made a mistake and needs to work on that aspect of himself.

    Steyn also has things he needs to work on. Particularly taking responsibility as a senior player, but I sincerely believe that he is already much improved in this regard and only now still needs to understand that aggression and overly passionate displays as a leader, could sometimes actually have a negative effect.

    And he too will be better for the week or 2 (maybe more) that he gets.

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.03.15 10:53:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 43) : “They stand behind their players through thick and thin.”

    This I believe is a common misconception Uli. I could copy/paste actual comments from Bulls fans off Facebook to disprove this. The majority of my family and friends are Bulls supporters. They fly the flags (even to church to my dismay) and knowlingly lower the value of their cars with the stickers but they’ve also switched off games, left stadiums early and openly criticised players they don’t like. I was surprised at how many Bulls supporters were glad to see the back of Morne Steyn.

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.03.15 10:53:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 43) : I think we should all learn not to generalise so much: ALL other teams have supporters who ALL stand by them through thick and thin and NEVER criticise ANY player that wears their jersey, while ALL Sharks fans could learn to do that too…
    Oh come on! What nonsense…
    ALL teams have some supporters who are like this and some who are like that and a whole heap who are in between…and to be honest: I prefer the ones in between who don’t just rag and shout and criticize and who don’t just follow blindly, but who actually try to think objectively about things and criticise when necessary without waving in their support of the team…
    Rant over… :lol:

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.03.15 10:56:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 38) :

    If Bismarck shoots someone on the field – not in the mood for games – I believe there would be a very good reason for it, like he was about to cause serious physical harm to someone else, and there was no other way to protect that person.

    Because I genuinely don’t believe Bismarck is a bad person.

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.03.15 11:03:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • Bismark has apologised. That’s all we have to go on. Let’s judge him on the World Cu- oops, I mean the rest of his campaign.

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.03.15 11:03:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Wow – “Hatred” is a strong word :shock:

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.03.15 11:05:03 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Bismarck has rendered himself irrelevant to the Sharks cause for the next four weeks. Let’s move on, people.

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.03.15 11:08:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 38) :

    Also, if the criticism of Bismarck was not so severe and generalized to his personality, I would never have said a word in defense for the player.

    I will say again, what he did on the field was inexcusable. I don’t even understand the retaliation, because the player barely held on to him for a second or two.

    I am merely defending his character, not his action.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.03.15 11:09:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 56) :

    Yeah, contempt is a better word.

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.03.15 11:11:27 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 54) : Jails are full of very good people, who had just one blind-spot in their lives with which they never dealt. Likewise, a thief will always look for the weakest area of your house in order for him to gain access. – A pastor friend of mine gave me that gem.

    The same applies to Bismarck in this case….99% solid rugby attributes, but it is that 1% that is ruining his reputation.

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 56) : @Letgo (Comment 59) :

    Or just dislike … They all fall into the same spectrum though, it’s just the level that changes and a think when you have contempt for a player or dislike a player to begin with, the level of that contempt might elevate to the point of hatred.

    I didn’t like Bismarck much after seeing what he did and he is one of my favorite players.

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.03.15 11:14:35 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 57) : I’ll admit that I see this incident as the perfect vehicle to usher in a captaincy change, which is probably why I am less willing to simply let this one go….I am truly hopeful that we get a new captain, but fear that even a severe incident such as this will not make that happen.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.03.15 11:16:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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    Is Bismarck’s blind spot his commitment to the team, or his ego?

    Or is it is temper?

    I am asking, because I think there is some confusion about that.

    I would agree on the second, but not the first.

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.03.15 11:17:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 43) : Are you serious? Hope you are joking.

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.03.15 11:17:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 60) : Has your pastor friend ever mentioned anything about casting stones? :twisted:

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 60) :

    Really, FULL of good people? Again, not arguing the concept, but it is doubtful that it would be true for MOST, rather than SOME or a FEW.

    And here again, if they are good, then their character as a whole would not be belittled, but rather their action and the mistake they made.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.03.15 11:20:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 64) : :shock:

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.03.15 11:20:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Anyway…

    Could we please just move on from this.

    A much more pressing concern should be, how will the Sharks … the team and not the man, react. Bismarck has apologized. He will not be part of the team for 4 weeks, we can worry about that again on his return.

    Kyle Cooper showed in his 60 minutes that he should be trusted to stand in for Bismarck and not just when the captain (maybe former captain) is injured or has brain farts.

    Maybe we can focus on the guys who did the business for us. I was really proud, again, of how the Sharks reacted.

    BTW, if the Sharks rest Lambie, which I think they should, I vote for Kanko as captain.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.03.15 11:23:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : It’s a simple analogy which I find rather easy to comprehend…surely you are able to pick up on the crux of the illustration. ;-)

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.03.15 11:26:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Whichever way one looks at what happened this weekend, the actions of many players left a lot to be desired. The cold facts of the day, plus what happened in the Bulls vs Sharks game is the root cause of unsavoury behaviour is “off the ball” incidents. Were the officials to police niggling strictly, we as spectators would see better rugby. Holding opposition players back, throttling opposition players and playing opposition players off the ball is looking for trouble. With TV monitors at their disposal, the officials should be able to stamp out the cause of all retaliatory actions.

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.03.15 11:27:31 by Bayshark Reply

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  • My team, who I believe can beat the Force and will assist the Sharks in a win against the Crusaders the next week:

    15. SP Marais
    14. Odwa Ndungane (VC)
    13. JP Pietersen
    12. Andre Esterhuizen
    11. Lwazi Mvovo
    10. Fred Zeilinga
    9. Stefan Ungerer
    8. Ryan Kankowski (C)
    7. Daniel du Preez
    6. Renaldo Bothma
    5. Marco Wentzel
    4. Mouritz Botha
    3. Jannie du Plessis
    2. Kyle Cooper
    1. Beast Mtawarira

    Subs:

    16. Monde Hadebe, 17. Louwrence Adriaanse, 18. Dale Chadwick/ Thomas du toit, 19. Giant, 20. Johan Meyer/ Willem Alberts/ Jean Deysel/ Tera Mtwembu/ Ettienne Oosthuizen, 21. Conrad Hoffman, 22. Lionel Cronje, 23. Jack Wilson

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.03.15 11:28:35 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 65) : Yes he has… ;-)

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.03.15 11:29:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Then against the Crusaders:

    Lambie, Reinach and Marcell comes back, with Lambie as captain.

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.03.15 11:32:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 72) : :grin:

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.03.15 11:33:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 60) : I’ll use your analogy to emphasise a point made earlier:
    - if you identity the weak point in your house, you invest time, effort and money to strengthen it so that the thieves can’t break in.
    - Bismarck is worth the investment of time, effort and money to work on his weak spot. In my experience (see the comment further above) such weak spots can be addressed, but require a lot of hard work and real will to strengthen…and people are just unlikely to do that without professional help.
    If anyone at the Sharks asks, I would volunteer my services…

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.03.15 11:34:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 63) : I definitely think it is just his temper and petulance, not commitment to the team and ego…

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 75) : That’s it…identify the weakness, and work on it.

    Sadly most people prefer to divert attention away from the weak area, by focusing on only the strong areas….this does not strengthen or void the weakness.

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.03.15 11:41:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 73) : Any idea how serious the knee to Reinach’s back was? Any longer term effects?

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.03.15 11:42:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 77) : Agreed…

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.03.15 11:44:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 76) : How sincere do you believe Bismarck is with his apology?

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  • Was it a year ago that Deysel stamped on a Crusader, was red carded and suspended for a few weeks? If I remember correctly there was not the same lash out against him. What Bismarck did was both disappointing and wrong. We expect week in and week out so much from the players that we hold to very high standards. If Bismarck plays without the passion we so desire, he gets crucified, if he plays with immense passion and that passion boils over, he gets crucified. Yes, he should find some sort of middle route, but he does need our support. You cannot have your cake and eat it.

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.03.15 12:11:25 by bokbok Reply

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  • Any news on Messam and Steyn yet?

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  • @bokbok (Comment 81) : Why have cake then when you can’t eat it :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :grin:

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.03.15 12:14:52 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • I believe that he is sincerely sorry, but the wording of the release just doesn’t sound like the way he would say it. Sounds scripted and that kinda irritates me. I would have felt better with a Afrikaans apology. Even though I believe he is sorry the words don’t sound like him.
    P.S there is only 1 good thing about baseball: 3 strikes and you’re out!

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.03.15 12:19:38 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • The point most people are missing is that without the du Pleases and Fran Steyn we managed to win the game,One man down against the current champions.
    We don’t need these guys,as much as they need the Sharks.
    If Gold has any balls,he will make them earn their places back in the team,starting in a few V.C. games.
    We need to appoint a new leader now,not an interim one.
    Bismark has wiped hissers with the captains arm band,and should never wear it again.
    PSDT would be my choice but he is injured,Wentzil is a good idea.

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.03.15 12:39:47 by The hound Reply
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  • Ill take Keegan for captain. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.03.15 12:43:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 85) : I’m gonna be a pain and point out the Waratahs are the current champs :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.03.15 12:54:01 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 80) : If I gauge the personality accurately – and I come across it in my work quite a bit and have worked with them at this – I think his remorse was pretty immediate and his apology and regret absolutely sincere. I just think it will be a tough road for him to learn to control that initial natural reaction that he clearly has…but not impossible. Like I say, I hope to goodness they give him some real resources to help with this. He is worth it!

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.03.15 12:58:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 87) : I was going to do that too…but the point is valid…

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  • @The hound (Comment 85) :

    Amen. Preach it brother.

    Seems strange that the Sharks can lose countless games on the trot, and then seemingly beat the champs with these “Superstars” not on the field and a man down.
    So much for “indispensable”.

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.03.15 13:00:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 89) : I don’t dispute the point The Hound was making at all :mrgreen:

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 91) : I know…I was just…umm…pointing…out the obvious…I was about to write exactly what you wrote when I stumbled across your comment and saw you had already written it… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.03.15 13:04:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 92) : Great minds eh lol ;-)

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.03.15 13:05:23 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 90) : The two boys sent off view themselves as part of this–> I-team-I

    Starts with I, and ends with I…and the team will fall over without I- -I

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.03.15 13:11:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 90) : And on the other hand they got a snotklap from the Cheetahs at home without those same “superstars”, who on returning made a huge and immediate impact.

    Take Bismarck and Jannie away from the Sharks for the rest of the season and you will see some real turbo reversing happening – it might suite some, Im not one of them.

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.03.15 13:12:36 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 90) :

    Even Duane Vermuelen can be replaced, but why would you if you have him available.

    No player is indispensable. In fact, most times, when an indispensable player (Pierre Spies) is replaced, another will rise (Duane Vermuelen).

    @The hound (Comment 85) :

    I agree, we need to appoint a new leader. Unfortunately, I think Bismarck has shown that not only does he not posses the right leadership qualities to be a good captain, but with an incident like this I don’t think he deserves the honor to wear the captains armband again. He needs to show that he can be a leader as a senior player without the honor of wearing the armband. If he can do that and do that consistently, he could be considered as a captain in future again, but I wouldn’t even go there.

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.03.15 13:18:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 21) : Where have I ever championed Tyler Fisher
    But I understand fully where you are coming from.I mean you name yourself after that great gentleman of the game Uli Smit,still remember the job he did on Tony Watson face,so I am not surprised on your stance.

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.03.15 13:21:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 94) :

    Your opinion is made up of very little evidence to support it. Just because a player gets frustrated on the field, does not make them arrogant.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.03.15 13:23:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 98) : I thought you were ready to move on from this subject :twisted:

    To be honest though, I see Frans as a team player…he just takes his enforcement role over the top at times (spear tackle is too far…crunching Cheslin Kolbe is right on the money)

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.03.15 13:28:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 97) :

    What is his stance that you are not surprised at, especially based on the comment you replied to?

    I would love to see your reaction to the next player that receives a red card and would hope that those of you that are lashing out like this against two players, will stand up and admit that your reactions was largely based on your standing contempt for these two players, or that you will lash out in the same way towards these players.

    I doubt that any of you will be honorable enough to do that.

    I would love to see you come face to face with a man like Bismarck and talk to him with this much disrespect or talk about him like that when his parents, family and friends can hear you saying what you are. It’s unbelievable that people think they can say anything about people because they are posting it at the end of an article from the other end of their screens.

    You can show your disappointment in his actions, like I have done, but general decorum should not be thrown out the window because you are hiding behind an Avatar. Or can I expect the same of you in person?

    Honestly the open contempt you have for these players and a number of others, which have been evident long before this incident, is really uncalled for and is getting pretty old.

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.03.15 13:35:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) :

    30 Comments ago, yes, but it doesn’t seem like anyone else are. It would seem some are just as emotionally contempt about Bismarck as he reacted emotionally.

    Why are everyone going on an on about? For goodness sake.

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.03.15 13:38:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • Speaking as a Stormers fan I must say that Bismarck is the 1 player that I fear the most when we play the Sharks…..an absolute beast! Yes, no one condones silly play, it is wrong. Just always leaves a sour taste when Kiwis so often resort to off the ball foul play, then we suffer for it…..
    Kiwis have got it down to a fine art, masters of off the ball…..so Bissy, you lost it, but apologised…..good on you….personally the only winners here are the opposition teams who will play the Sharks without you….Boks are a far better team with you in it….so take the break and come back stronger than ever….sharks fans, dont crucify the lad…..he is your packs backbone!

  • Comment 102, posted at 23.03.15 13:44:53 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 101) : As I’ve stated clearly before, I just want him to relinquish his captaincy…his willingness to do this, and his subsequent playing attitude under a different captain will greatly influence my view of him.

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.03.15 13:47:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Hey LetGo,

    Let. It. Go.
    Nobody is falling for your Charles Manson’esque fan club.

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.03.15 13:54:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 104) :

    I don’t know what that means.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 104) :

    I am letting go.

    I am letting go of my restraint to not dig into people who clearly can’t let this Bismarck issue go and will continue harping on about it until enough articles are posted that this one doesn’t appear on the main page.

  • Comment 106, posted at 23.03.15 14:03:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 102) : Was it my turbo reverse comment that made you come out and post some common sense on here? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 107, posted at 23.03.15 14:05:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 100) : I sugest you calm down,and read some of the comments here.
    Bismark and Frans are not two naughty school boys but two highly paid professional athletes.Their job is rugby.It is the only job they have ever had in their lives.They have won,Currie Cups,tri Nations,and a World Cup.
    They earn huge money because we the fans rate them so highly.When they excel we praise them and they languish in that praise.
    But here is the part you keep on missing,when they fuck up they do it on T.V in front of millions of people in three countries.
    We are not hatching a conspiracy,the evidence is there for you to see.It is unacceptable When iit is repeated again the next week it is undefendable
    Personally think both these guys are phenomenal rugby players,but bad team players.
    As a Shark’s stalwart,I want a captain like Gary Teichman,and a hard man like Mark Andrews in my team,not a person that even in a fit of temper would aim a kick at pinned player’s head.

  • Comment 108, posted at 23.03.15 14:05:29 by The hound Reply
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  • I think Reinach should have been carded with Steyn for that incident. How anyone could not see that he was contributing to the final outcome of that tackle I cant imagine.

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  • @The hound (Comment 108) : Bissie will be basking in the criticism he has got over the past few days. ;-)

  • Comment 110, posted at 23.03.15 14:11:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 109) : You really have it in for the Grey old boys,with Coennie’s yellow that would have been four Super rugby cards for the Grey old boys this week end

  • Comment 111, posted at 23.03.15 14:12:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 108) :

    That’s fine. If that is how you feel, you don’t have to back him as a captain. I have said that I don’t either, especially after his actions this past week and I even said it after the Bulls game, but how on earth can any of this prove that they are not team players?

    That is all I am asking.

    Your comments and others, regarding this subject has been very emotional, and thus the emotion in my comments escalated.

    Again – I like Bismarck and the emotion and passion he shows on the field, maybe I feel a bit akin to him, as I am also a very emotional person on the sport field, but do not condone his actions and also feel that the fact that he have shown on a number of occasions now, that he cannot control his emotions that he should not be given the responsibility or actually honor of being captain. I highly regard him as a player though and would like to see him back playing at his best, hopefully having worked on this shortcoming.

  • Comment 112, posted at 23.03.15 14:18:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 109) :

    According to the law the main tackler has to take responsibility, but Steyn could maybe ask Reinach – What the hell dude?

    It’s in the heat of the battle. Those types of tackles has happen.

  • Comment 113, posted at 23.03.15 14:24:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 94) :

    Exactly.

  • Comment 114, posted at 23.03.15 14:24:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 112) :

    Again – I like Bismarck

    You dont say…

  • Comment 115, posted at 23.03.15 14:25:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 115) :

    Your point?

  • Comment 116, posted at 23.03.15 14:29:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 115) :

    Yes, I can like a player and still be objective and disappointed in his actions.

  • Comment 117, posted at 23.03.15 14:30:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 116) :

    That you labour a point somewhat and fail to countenance any other views on the subject?

    And that your opinion is somewhat clouded, given your rather obvious crush…

  • Comment 118, posted at 23.03.15 14:31:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Still at it? :roll:

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  • @The hound (Comment 111) : @Letgo (Comment 113) : I actually dont think that at all – I think in this case the law was an ass because there is no ways that Steyn would ever be able to have placed the player back on the ground safely with the counter weight and momentum of Reinach on the other of him. Bissie might have been able to do it though.

  • Comment 120, posted at 23.03.15 14:33:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 120) : They should have passed him to Beast. Beast can hold him up alone. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 121, posted at 23.03.15 14:35:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 115) :

    I have always been open about which players I like and which I don’t and specifically don’t try to hide it, as I try not to let my personal feelings for a player cloud my judgement.

    I don’t particularly like Willie le Roux, for example, I don’t like the way he throws little tantrums stamping his feat when a play doesn’t work out for him and would love for him to get that out of his game, but I still feel he has something special and like what he has brought to the Sprinbok team.

    I can honestly say that if he continues with what I call his temper tantrums on the field (my little nephew does it exactly the same when I tell him no), then I would not be to unhappy if he is displaced in the team by another who has stepped up their game.

    I’m hoping Cheslin Kolby can prove a point, but I can see he also sometimes like to be a bit dramatic. I still like him more, but Willie is maybe still better – although actually, to me Willie has been off this season, while Cheslin has been on fire. Would you agree?

    Also I like Bismarck, but he hasn’t been near his best this season. I haven’t seen his best in quite a while actually.

  • Comment 122, posted at 23.03.15 14:37:13 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 121) : I wonder if Anton Bressler misses Beast, and vice versa.

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  • @Letgo (Comment 122) : You fault Willie for his “little tantrums” but can’t see fault in Bismarck’s character, really?

    I would love for Willie to come play for the Sharks.

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 88) : This makes sense and is something that can be implemented.

  • Comment 125, posted at 23.03.15 14:42:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 118) :

    My crush has not effected my judgment. ;-) :smile:

    But I think your anti-crush has effected yours.

    Although, Vin, I might be wrong here, but it is starting to feel like your comments are mostly meant to taunt me.

    I know you don’t specifically like Bismarck (as a player, the way he conducts himself on the field), which you are entitled to, but I don’t think you care enough to comment if it wasn’t for the reaction???

    If you can’t see any objectivity in my opinion, then I question whether you have even made the effort to read anything I have posted.

  • Comment 126, posted at 23.03.15 14:42:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 112) : l I admire your passion for the man, but it is very simple both these guys think that everything is about them.
    If you are a team player and especially a captain you put the needs of the team ahead of your own ego.
    You do not lash out without restraint or fear of the consequences at the slightest provocation.
    These guys have been playing this game since they were six,you either have to be very stupid or insensitive not to know by now that you are being provoked.
    A team player learns how to ride that provocation,Bismark has proven time and time again that he has no self restraint.Every opposition team knows it and so does every ref.
    Not a good situation for the team,it has become a Luis Suarez,Kevin Petersen scenario

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  • @Letgo (Comment 126) :

    I would never taunt you LetGo.

    I do just have one last question – do you still have that poster of Bismarck above your bed? (I know there’s a picture of Frans in your purse)…

  • Comment 128, posted at 23.03.15 14:47:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 124) : Lets just say he would never “fit” the Sharks system.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 128) : Stop being childish boet.

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  • @Letgo (Comment 122) :

    So basically you dont like players that have either had a run-in with Frans or who share a position that is arguably his best?

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 130) :

    You also got a poster?

    They used to do great ones in SARugby mag…

  • Comment 132, posted at 23.03.15 14:48:49 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 124) :

    No, I also don’t fault Willie’s character, only his actions. I didn’t say Willie thinks his better than everyone because of his “little tantrums” and I do fault Bismarcks actions.

    I don’t like it when he lashes out and I also don’t like the way he gets emotional when talking to the refs. He talks to them like my little nephew would when I tell him no. You can’t have a captain that can’t talk to a ref in a calm manner. And I have said that he needs to sort that out (don’t you think he was actually a little better at that since the Bulls game? – I don’t know, he seemed more restraint, but that’s just because he would rather not talk to the ref at all, because he knew he would boil over).

    I still can’t see how this would give me any indication that he thinks he is better than the team?

    I would love Willie at the Sharks. Like I said, an excellent player. Still don’t like him. Also don’t like SP’s little tantrums (he’s sorted it out a bit, but his game is still up and down).

  • Comment 133, posted at 23.03.15 14:48:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 133) :

    Bismarck has a bigger problem – he’s now being targeted. Its quite obvious.

  • Comment 134, posted at 23.03.15 14:49:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 129) : Why not?

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  • @Ben (Comment 135) : Sharks will waste his talents.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 128) :

    I actually have a number of pictures of Pat Lambie in my cubicle at work. The girl that worked with me supported the Bulls and Morne Steyn, so she put his picture up as a joke and after Morne fluffed that line kick and Lambie converted that monster kick against the All Blacks I replaced Morne’s in her cubicle with Lambie’s, which she then gave back to me. I’ve kept it. I also really, really like Lambie. I think he is a special player, with some special skills, of which we haven’t seen much in his position in SA for a long time.

    I have a picture of both Frans and Bismarck on my phone, which I took with them, when I met them and both pictures are very special to me, as are the ones I have with Kankowski, Jannie, Willem, Deysel, Mvovo, JPP, Odwa … those are the guys in the current squad I have met so far. Hoping to meet more of them and get a picture with all of them.

  • Comment 137, posted at 23.03.15 14:54:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • This thread is well on its way to get a thousand comments :lol:

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 136) : Has the Boks? I would have thought the same about the Boks.

  • Comment 139, posted at 23.03.15 14:55:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 134) :

    Yes he is and should be smart enough to swing the situation to his advantage. Appoint a captain that would just go to the ref and calmly say, please just take note that my hooker is being played of the ball by the opposition, it is very frustrating to us as a team – and as you know, he might lash out and none of us want that ;-)

  • Comment 140, posted at 23.03.15 14:57:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 133) : So why mention Willie at all? You are hell bent on defending a man that we all know doesn’t have the best temper. He punches and kicks people in the face. Then you bring up Willie’s “little tantrums” to prove what?

  • Comment 141, posted at 23.03.15 15:01:24 by Ben Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 136) : @Ben (Comment 139) : If Jake White was still our coach I would agree with you. Not now. They just need to tell him to go out there and express himself, I believe Gary and Brendan would do this.

  • Comment 142, posted at 23.03.15 15:04:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) :

    Yes, that’s why I also don’t like Jan Serfontein and Damain de Allende and Jean de Villiers, worse of all – how could you start the old man ahead of the best player in the world???

    BTW De Allende is really making a big statement for that inside center jersey, isn’t he? I thought HM gave him very little opportunity when he did play him and at 13. I actually think he and De Jongh should be given a shot as a combo before the World Cup to see how they go.

  • Comment 143, posted at 23.03.15 15:04:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 143) : de Allende and de Jongh as Bok centres. Completely agree.

  • Comment 144, posted at 23.03.15 15:06:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 141) :

    Because I was accused of basing my opinion of the fact that I don’t like a player.

    Just a way to prove that there are plenty of players that I don’t particularly like, but still rate as good players.

    @Ben (Comment 139) :

    Willie is not playing the best at the moment… not that I’m saying it’s due to playing for the Boks, but he seems more comfortable at taking the save option and less comfortable at creating something, than he used to be.

    I suppose that’s not very easy to judge in a struggling team though.

    And he was the difference between a hiding and staying in the game for the Cheetahs…

  • Comment 145, posted at 23.03.15 15:09:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 144) : @Letgo (Comment 143) : We will never win a WC with De Jongh at center.

  • Comment 146, posted at 23.03.15 15:09:42 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 144) : On current form at least.

    Still think that Sithole should play 13 for the Sharks. I feel he would make a big claim for the Bok 13 jersey.

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  • @Ben (Comment 144) :

    :smile: :smile: :smile:

  • Comment 148, posted at 23.03.15 15:10:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 144) : your blue and white jersey and I love Nick Mallett badge is in the post.

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 146) :

    Then we may not win one at all this year, since, on form, they are by far our best bet.

    I think JPP has been playing better and better, especially considering that the Sharks aren’t giving him much to work with.

    Also agree on Sithole. @Ben (Comment 147) :

  • Comment 150, posted at 23.03.15 15:12:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 145) : I don’t think anyone is questioning Bismarck’s talent. We are questioning his character. So I still can’t see why Willie was mentioned.

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  • @The hound (Comment 149) :

    Just curious. Not a retort.

    Who do you think, based on current form, should HM look at to cover those positions in the absence of De Villiers, or even if De Villiers is fit in time?

  • Comment 152, posted at 23.03.15 15:14:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 149) : Shut up. You don’t have to tell everyone. ;) :mrgreen:

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  • After reading the comments that feels like hours,scrolling past the last couple seeing as they are mostly the same I have figured out why people are so absolutely miffed with these two legends of Sharks rugby(just to be clear,not condoning their actions,LEGENDS nonetheless),is because in the last 4 weeks we have had to defend both these players,Steyn for hard tackling Kolbe and Bissie for the Matfield snottie and when you have had to defend a player so aggresively and they come out and get red carded for basically the same transgression,I kind of felt…oh for sucks fake!!!!
    But alas,I am over it,accepted the apology and am ready to move forward! I hope that these two legends of Sharks rugby will come back and reinforce our (mostly) belief in them!Black and White,nothing(not even the person wearing the jersy) else matters!!!

  • Comment 154, posted at 23.03.15 15:16:03 by BarendL Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 138) : No chance. Sharksworld posters just dont have the stamina for those. I predict that by this time tomorrow it will have fizzled out. I did try to keep it going with my Reinach should have been carded angle.

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  • @The hound (Comment 149) : More on a serious note. I’m not in South Africa and I haven’t seen Nick’s face on a television screen in about 3 years. So I have no idea what you’re on about.

  • Comment 156, posted at 23.03.15 15:20:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 151) :

    Here is why Ben:

    VinChainSaw:

    “Again – I like Bismarck”

    You dont say…”

    Letgo: Your point.

    VinChainSaw: “That you labour a point somewhat and fail to countenance any other views on the subject?

    And that your opinion is somewhat clouded, given your rather obvious crush…”

    To which I replied my comment 122 and mentioned that I don’t particularly like Willie, but still rate him very highly as a player. I could also say the same of any Bulls player, just because they are Bulls, although there are still a number of them that I rate very highly as players.

    Hope that answers it. Maybe I should not have brought up a specific player.

  • Comment 157, posted at 23.03.15 15:20:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 152) : I was very keen to see the Lambie,FS,JP 10,12,13 combo,but it looks like that plan is on the back burner.
    De Allende is the genuine article,but he has been playing outside de Jonge who I have never seen pass a ball,not even once,.
    10,12,13 should be picked asa combination,and we will end up with,Pollard,De Allende and Serfontein,because that is the size that Meyer likes.

  • Comment 158, posted at 23.03.15 15:24:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 146) :

    He has all the physical attributes and skills needed to become a great 13. He just needs to develop in the position.

    To me he already looked a thousand times better at 13 against the Bulldogs than he ever looked at 14 for the Sharks. He is wasted on the wing.

  • Comment 159, posted at 23.03.15 15:24:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 157) : Still, you were not being accused of rating Bismarck’s talents too highly because you like him. You were accused of defending his character blindly because you like him.

    You like Bismarck and defend his character. You don’t like Willie but say you still rate him highly as a player.

  • Comment 160, posted at 23.03.15 15:26:10 by Ben Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 157) : @Ben (Comment 160) : Can you see how this does not add up?

  • Comment 161, posted at 23.03.15 15:27:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 158) : Have you been watching the Stormers’ games? When did de Allende play outside de Jongh?

  • Comment 162, posted at 23.03.15 15:28:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 158) :

    Pollard is a talent, I like Jan and have been rooting for him, but he seems to be falling flat for me. We still need a 13.

    The Lambie, Steyn, JPP idea is not a bad one, since they will be playing together a full season, but then a whole mess of things need to be sorted out first, not least of all form. I haven’t seen anything in this combo, though I am one that believe their could be something special, that would make me take them as my midfielders to the world Cup.

    Form players in those positions:

    Pollard, Lambie, De Allende, De Jongh… no one else of not, JPP has been solid at best.

    What about,

    Lambie, Pollard, JPP

    or Pollard, Lambie, JPP

    I’m throwing the Lambie and Pollard at 10/12 debate out there.

    They both have been playing excellent rugby and have been, with De Allende our form backs this year?

    This still leaves us completely bare at 13. Then you still have to lay a 12 at 13 or a 14 at 13.

  • Comment 163, posted at 23.03.15 15:30:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • Frans Steyn has been cleared and is free to play the Force

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 155) : That one was just too obvious. Even Uli did not bite on that bait :mrgreen:

  • Comment 165, posted at 23.03.15 15:31:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Steyn is off the hook!
    Any news on Messam?

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  • @Letgo (Comment 163) : Lambie and Pollard are both great rugby players, but I can’t see them working as a combo.

  • Comment 167, posted at 23.03.15 15:33:07 by Ben Reply
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  • and the red card expunged from his record.

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 168) : How so?

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 164) : That is good news

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  • @Ben (Comment 161) :

    Sure.

  • Comment 171, posted at 23.03.15 15:35:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • had the officials taken time to watch slow mow they would have noticed that Cruden first fell on his arm, then shoulder, then back with momentum causing him to roll over backwards. BOOYAA!

  • Comment 172, posted at 23.03.15 15:35:15 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 168) : @Ben (Comment 169) : I assume it is because Reinach had a part in it.

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  • “The video material before me clearly shows that Cruden made contact with the ground first with his right hand and upper arm, followed by shoulder and back.

    “The momentum of the tackle then caused him to roll so that his head and neck made contact with the ground.

    “As a result of this finding, the red card will be expunged from the player’s record.”

  • Comment 174, posted at 23.03.15 15:36:02 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 166) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 168) :

    I am very surprised, but I suppose, like we said… the end result of the tackle was not directly his fault, outside influences impacted, so understandable.

    Great news for the Sharks, now we just have to rest Lambie.

  • Comment 175, posted at 23.03.15 15:37:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 174) :

    Wow, I did not see it that way either. I thought it was really dangerous.

  • Comment 176, posted at 23.03.15 15:38:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 175) : And Marcell.

  • Comment 177, posted at 23.03.15 15:38:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 175) : ja I reckon we HAVE to rest Lambie now for our own good. Steyn will be fine at 10 and he’ll be a fine captaincy replacement til Lambie gets back

  • Comment 178, posted at 23.03.15 15:39:08 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 167) :

    I don’t know, they might, but our problem is not inside centre, so it really doesn’t make any sense to play them both…

    I’ve always liked the idea of playing a kicking centre and that would create a kicking centre. I think Pollard could easily be an excellent centre. He has the size for it.

    If we needed an inside centre, I would seriously have considered it. We need at 13 though.

  • Comment 179, posted at 23.03.15 15:40:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 177) :

    Jip, and Cobus.

    @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 178) : I would keep Steyn at 12 and play Zeilinga, he looked really good over the weekend.

  • Comment 180, posted at 23.03.15 15:41:47 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 176) : People dont get it. Francois Philipus Lodewyk Steyn is just that strong :grin: :grin:

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  • @Letgo (Comment 180) : or that

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  • @Letgo (Comment 180) : I would prefer that option too.

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  • @Ben (Comment 173) : Exactly what I said from the start.

    Rob? wat sê jy nou? Reinach , jou engeltjie is ook skuldig in die storie…. :P

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 168) : Impossible, that will not sit well with many on this site.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 118) :

    Gary Gold has a crush on Bismarck too…

    I’d like to say that I fully agree with Gold in his defense of Bismarck:

    Gold made it clear that what Du Plessis did to earn his red card was uncalled for and that he did not justify the foul play.

    “I am not going to justify foul play, it is not right to do that,” Gold said after the match.

    “I feel it was a silly thing for Bismarck to do, he lashed out from trying to free his foot – but you cannot make contact with someone’s head.

    “For what it is worth, he has apologized to the group, and in his words he said he is ashamed by his behaviour.”

    The coach may not have condoned the foul play, but he did defend Du Plessis’ playing style and his physical approach that seems to landed him in hot water on a few occasions.

    “Bizzy [Du Plessis] is a fiery character, and by his own admission he made a mistake,” Gold continued.

    “I do not think that there was malice for him to go and kick a guy in the face, I think he was just trying to free his foot.”

    There have been questions raised about the Sharks captain’s short fuse, and perhaps other teams are starting to target his temper to their benefit.

    Gold agreed that Du Plessis has been targeted a few times, but was at pains to point out the times where the firey hooker has kept his cool in tough situations.

    “I certainly felt at Loftus he was targeted by Victor [Matfield], and we had a conversation with him about that,” Gold said in defence of his star hooker.

    “I feel there is a lot of times that we don’t see where he does actually keep his cool.

    “I don’t feel I have to sit here and defend Bismarck, but I choose too because there are a lot of incidents where he does get targeted.

    “He is a great player, a physical player in a physical game.

    “I do think that he does get targeted a lot off the ball, but that has nothing to do with today [Saturday - against the Chiefs], today was an error by his own admission and we will have to suffer the consequences – whatever that will be.”

  • Comment 186, posted at 23.03.15 15:50:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 184) :

    Why do we even try to debate against you? ;-)

    I really thought it was pretty bad.

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  • @Letgo (Comment 179) : Exactly. Our problem is at 13.

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 185) : they’ll get over it :twisted: :twisted: Steyn is a machine.

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 178) : Please, no. Play Fred at 10 and get someone else to captain the side.

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  • @Letgo (Comment 186) : I must admit Bismarck also one of my favorites. farking stupid at times, but I am convinced he will learn his lesson from this one.

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 185) :

    Yeah, how could they not punish this thug??? :shock: The Horror.

    But seriously, I thought he would get a couple of weeks regardless of Reinachs influence. It looked really bad.

  • Comment 192, posted at 23.03.15 15:55:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 190) : Fred is the better option, youre right

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 191) : NOT CAPTAIN THOUGH

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  • @Ben (Comment 190) :

    Yeah, I vote Kanko.

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  • @Letgo (Comment 195) :

    With Odwa as VC.

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  • @Letgo (Comment 195) : I think JPP would make a decent stand-in captain as well.

  • Comment 197, posted at 23.03.15 15:58:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 190) : If Lambie is rested Steyn should captain as he did last year and was actually very good.

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  • @Letgo (Comment 196) : Steyn has also been captain for the Sharks before – he could be another candidate.

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  • Much depends in who Gold rests, also who is still injured or may be back from injury.

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  • If Lambie is rested I will go with Steyn to captain and Kanko or Botha to VC, maybe even Jannie

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 198) : Just like Bismarck, I don’t think Steyn has the mental capacity to be captain. What if our captain gets sent off again?

  • Comment 202, posted at 23.03.15 16:17:37 by Ben Reply
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  • Yaaay for Fransie!

    Some people gonna have to eat some humble pie after that decision. :lol:

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  • http://www.rugby365.com/article/65163-steyn-not-guilty

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  • @Ben (Comment 202) : So even when proved innocent he is not forgiven?? mate he is a good captain, I am not saying the best but he atleast has the respect of his fellow players.

  • Comment 205, posted at 23.03.15 16:20:24 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 204) : Old news dominee :mrgreen: hahaha

  • Comment 206, posted at 23.03.15 16:20:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Well Lambie definitely needs a rest this weekend.Please no steyn at 10.Zeilinga is our man.Thats why he’s there.I believe he’s a great player and needs to rotate with lambie more often.Steyn can captain this weekend.

  • Comment 207, posted at 23.03.15 16:22:42 by tigershark Reply

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  • I am chuffed about this…I just feel we need his experience if Lambie is going to be rested…

  • Comment 208, posted at 23.03.15 16:23:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Im also keen to see what Hoffman can do for a full 80 min.

  • Comment 209, posted at 23.03.15 16:24:01 by tigershark Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 206) : I saw it earlier…people were talking about it, so I thought it would be a good idea to put the actual text out there…

  • Comment 210, posted at 23.03.15 16:25:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Steyn definitely looked more focussed when he had to take the responsibility of captain in the past.Think it will do him good.

  • Comment 211, posted at 23.03.15 16:26:06 by tigershark Reply

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  • I would not select Steyn at captain for the simple reason that there has been some controversy around him.

    I thought he was a good captain for us at the start of, was it last year or the year before. I really acted very maturely and and responsibly.

    I would still go Kanko.

  • Comment 212, posted at 23.03.15 16:26:13 by Letgo Reply
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  • @tigershark (Comment 211) :

    Yeah, for sure.

  • Comment 213, posted at 23.03.15 16:27:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 212) : Well Kanko is probably the only other option!Maybe not a bad one though ;-)

  • Comment 214, posted at 23.03.15 16:31:40 by tigershark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 203) : And not just any slices, Big ones.

  • Comment 215, posted at 23.03.15 16:33:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 212) : @tigershark (Comment 214) : I think Kanko could be a good call but Im just worried that it may impact on this 2015 version of him, he is starting to show much better form than anything on show over the last 2 years an we need that to continue.

  • Comment 216, posted at 23.03.15 16:36:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 216) : Yip its hard to say how something like that will affect his game.The coaches know them best so its up to them to make the call.But Lambie should seriously be rested.

  • Comment 217, posted at 23.03.15 16:46:11 by tigershark Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 217) : Im for them biting the bullet and resting all the players that are scheduled for a rest. Luckily the VC guys have got a game under the belt. Still who to captain? I dont really know. Steyn would be the obvious choice but on the one hand I just want him to play the game unburdened by anything. Marco Wentzel as a one off maybe.

  • Comment 218, posted at 23.03.15 16:52:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Frans did a great job for us as stand in flyhalf last year, and I have no doubts he could do it again. I would however be seriously disapointed if Zeilinga does not start. Tt would show the Sharks rotation policy to be a farce.

  • Comment 219, posted at 23.03.15 16:54:54 by jonnow Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 218) : Marco Wentzel would be a great choice as stand in captain.

  • Comment 220, posted at 23.03.15 16:56:18 by jonnow Reply

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  • Actually we shouldn’t see our next game as one where players have to be rested, but rather one where new players rotate and bring something fresh and new to the 22.Its a bit of a mind shift.

  • Comment 221, posted at 23.03.15 16:56:44 by tigershark Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 217) : Lambie is reported to be playing with a groin strain. He should definitely be rested.

  • Comment 222, posted at 23.03.15 17:11:10 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 205) : Me saying he doesn’t have the mental capacity to be a captain has nothing to with his red card. I said the exact same thing about Bismarck before the season started.

  • Comment 223, posted at 23.03.15 17:13:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 223) : Well he did just fine last year,

  • Comment 224, posted at 23.03.15 17:20:28 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • After reading some comments, Marco Wentzel may just be the best choice as stand in captain.

  • Comment 225, posted at 23.03.15 17:24:26 by tigershark Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 224) : I can live with Steyn as captain for the one game. Would prefer someone else though. What I really don’t want to see is Steyn playing 10.

  • Comment 226, posted at 23.03.15 17:24:29 by Ben Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 224) : Same can be said for Bismarck, not so? :roll:

  • Comment 227, posted at 23.03.15 17:25:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 226) : I am only talking about the one game Ben, If Deysel would have been a good call for captain.

  • Comment 228, posted at 23.03.15 17:35:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • What do you guys think about the ref that did such an awful job against the bulls vs Sharks and then against the chiefs says “nothing but a red card is deserved” after the tmo said yellow. Now that Frans is cleared. As assistant ref

  • Comment 229, posted at 23.03.15 17:58:13 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 226) : Steyn really did look his best as Captain at one point. I even thought he should keep the captaincy.

  • Comment 230, posted at 23.03.15 18:00:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • I’m happy with Frans as captain, to be honest…

  • Comment 231, posted at 23.03.15 18:28:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 229) : I’d think about it…if they weren’t two different people… :mrgreen: Marius van der Westhuizen was the touch judge on Saturday. Jaco van Heerden was the ref against the Bulls…

  • Comment 232, posted at 23.03.15 18:33:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Rotation would be timed well; Zeilinga and Ungerer as pivots (not convinced about Hoffman, perhaps my anti province bias) but I suppose he’s not that bad. Steyn should definitely start. Let’s see this as an opportunity for something fresh and to demonstrate continuity. Load the bench with stalwarts in case of a tight game but give the other guys a chance. It’s not to disrespect the Force it’s about the Sharks and the wider squad

  • Comment 233, posted at 23.03.15 18:34:30 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • The worst thing could do with Steyn now is to move him to 10 and make him captain.
    He needs to know his position and his job and start doing it.He is never going to be first choice 10 that is Lambie’s position.
    Either leave him where he is or move him back to 15,and get rid of Marais.I would rather see Lawazi or Odwa there though.
    Wentzel has the maturity to captain the team even though he is not our first choice lock,other than Alberts and Deysel he is the only one with the experience. The other two are not fit enough to play a full game yet,and whoever is captain needs to be there right thru the game.

  • Comment 234, posted at 23.03.15 20:13:24 by The hound Reply
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  • Now that Steyn is cleared to play (seems miracles do happen) I would also keep him at 12 and put Fred at 10. I would still go for Sithole at 13 and JP on the wing. Hopefully Wilson will also get some more game time.
    Wentzel or Kanko for capt this weekend.

  • Comment 235, posted at 23.03.15 20:29:16 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 235) : yes!

  • Comment 236, posted at 23.03.15 21:59:50 by Ice Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 232) : :shock: :shock: They all look the same :oops:

  • Comment 237, posted at 23.03.15 22:33:14 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 237) : Don’t worry…after the Bulls game I called the bloke Jaco van der Westhuizen instead of van Heerden…so got him properly mixed up!! They look AND sound the same… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 238, posted at 23.03.15 23:15:58 by pastorshark Reply
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