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Trophy wanted? Brains needed


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 23 Mar 2015 at 07:43
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I was one of the people who joined the chorus of outrage when Bismarck du Plessis and Frans Steyn were red-carded for their antics against the Chiefs. While I like to think I stopped short of going full-scale postal on Twitter, I did question the commitment and attitude of both players; accusing them of being selfish, egotistical and believing themselves to be “bigger than the game”.

Can this really be? After all, these are two stalwarts of Sharks rugby who have been at the forefront of so many notable triumphs and have never played (senior) rugby for any other South African province. They have both served the team with distinction over so many campaigns, can it really be the case that they would now suddenly no longer care for the team or their fans? It seems odd, doesn’t it?

I’ve done a fair bit of introspection since the heat of battle has abated and tried to isolate exactly why I got so upset (and why to be honest, I’m still upset) given that their actions ultimately didn’t end up costing the team victory. At least, not a small victory on Saturday and perhaps therein lies the rub; the implications in terms the overall campaign are likely to be far reaching.

Looking at the immediate consequences, I felt at the time (and still do) that Bismarck cost the team a bonus point. When Hika Elliot was sent off after just 15 minutes, there is very little doubt that, had the Sharks simply kept their cool, they could have used that one-man advantage over the course of the remaining 65 to build a big win. They don’t say that red cards “end the contest” for nothing and by playing on the wrong side of the aggression line, the Chiefs lost out on that gamble. For a senior player (never mind our captain) to then go and even up that score by getting himself sent off after what hardly even counts as minor provocation was nothing less than criminally stupid. Steyn’s offence was only marginally less so and surely, given the precedent that had been set, any smart player would have known not to tempt fate – or the referee’s patience – any further?

(As an aside, the citing commissioner has since decided that Liam Messom’s choke hold on Renaldo Bothma, which happened simultaneously with Bismarck’s transgression, was also a red card offence. Who’s to say that, had our captain not lost hi cool, we mightn’t have found ourselves playing with 15 against 13?)

Aside from that, there are far reaching consequences. The Sharks now sit without two of their leadership corps for (I guess) at least the next month, not currently knowing what Seyn’s suspension period will be. With Tera Mtembu already injured, the leadership burden now falls squarely on Pat Lambie, a player due for a rest in any event. With Steyn the man designated to fill in at flyhalf when that happens, his upcoming suspension has now handed the coaches (and Lambie himself) a double whammy.

After a poor start, the odds are already stacked against this Sharks team and with a relatively larger burden to manage in terms of resting senior players (since they have more) we simply cannot afford for anyone in the setup to not be completely focused on the bigger picture and the plan. There is no room for stupid, willful antics and I simply cannot be convinced that either Bismarck or Frans spared even a moment’s thought for their teammates when acting the way they did. Bigger than the team? You decide…



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  • FS tackle was Reinachs fault he lifted to player and Steyn had no controll over the player

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.03.15 07:49:56 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I agree re: Bismarch…I’m undecided re: Steyn…

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.03.15 07:50:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 1) : to be fair, mate, you blame Reinach for Chernobyl and the Cuban missile crisis too.

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.03.15 07:59:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.03.15 07:59:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Id actually be surprised if Steyn gets suspended. I hope they decide there were other players involved in the tackle and the red card was enough

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.03.15 08:00:45 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 1) : Frans lifted Cruden – he lifted his leg. I would say Reinach contributed a little to Cruden landing badly on his shoulders and neck, but it would still have been a tip tackle regardless.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.03.15 08:01:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Agree on Bismark, but I feel that Steyn was a bit unfortunate due to the additional impact in the hit from Reinach and Kanko.

    However, your comment regarding playing the situation a bit more circumspectly than usual given what had happened is also true. As a senior player, I would expected to see that.

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.03.15 08:01:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • If steyn cops a ban, I wonder who will be captain vs Force? Odwa?

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.03.15 08:02:20 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 8) : they’ll play Lambie again.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.03.15 08:04:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : I do think that, if Reinach especially had not been involved in the tackle, Steyn would at least have had a chance to put Cruden down more safely. Once Reinach had his arm across Cruden’s upper body -with the direction Reinach was attempting to tackle in – the only way Cruden was going to go was down…badly. So maybe Steyn is a little unlucky…

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.03.15 08:05:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : The week after we play the Crusaders. I would rather have Lambie and Coetzee available for that one. Make Kanko the stand-in captain for one game.

    That said the Force will be no pushovers.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.03.15 08:06:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • The games Bismarck will miss are Force (H), Crusaders (H), Lions (A), Bulls (H)…not ideal! But time for the next guys to step up!

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.03.15 08:07:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I am very curious to know exactly what the “heavy” internal sanction is that was handed to him.
    We all know Bissie is world class. He never gives anything less than 200%, but unfortunately that comes as a cost. What the coaches need to figure out is how to channel that rage and energy to his general play. You can’t leave a player like him out of your team, but also can’t have the risk of red card the whole time and a “sorry” letter afterwards. It is a very fine balance that I hope Mr. Gold and Venter will get right. Sooner rather than later

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.03.15 08:08:23 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 10) : Definitely a bit unlucky, but the ref was correct in punishing the primary tackler.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.03.15 08:09:19 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.03.15 08:13:32 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : To be fair, your blue eyed boy never puts a foot wrong.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.03.15 08:14:00 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 16) : To be fair Rob is right Uli, ;-) You have never liked Reinach who BTW had his best game this year so far, so it does not matter like Rob said, In your eyes Reinach is to blame. :cool:

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.03.15 08:18:40 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • How long is Deysel still out for? He can make a good stand in captain or even Wentzel will be a good choice, then we also have Odwa and Alberts as well. All in all we should be ok with leadership for the team for when Lambie can’t play. That said, I am a huge Bissie fan, and as a person who has a huge anger management problem myself, he needs to sort himself out and quick. Maybe this is just another off shoot of the Sharks not having a kop-dokter? No one to help teach the players how to correctly channel their aggression.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.03.15 08:19:59 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Here is how I saw the players in a match we were already expected to lose.

    15 SP 8
    14 Odwa 7
    13 JpP 8
    12 Steyn 5 red was not all his fault
    11 Mvovo also his best game of the season 7
    10 Lambie 9
    09 Reinach 8
    08 Kanko 8.5
    07 Bothma 8 Not his fault he could not complete the match
    06 Marcell 8.5
    05 Wentzel 7
    04 Botha 8 was all over the park making tackles
    03 Jannie 7
    02 Bismark 2 very silly stuff from an experienced player
    01 Beast 8.5, he bled for the cause.

    16 Cooper 7
    17 Adriaanse 6
    18 Chadwick 6
    19 Giant 6
    20 DuPreez did not get used I think :roll:
    21 Hoffman not on long enough
    22 Esterhuizen did not get used
    23 Murray 7 tackled manfully in the time he was on the field.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.03.15 08:26:56 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : now that will make us popular :grin:

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.03.15 08:27:33 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 18) : I agree fully with that, I have been saying it for a few years now that we need to get the team mentally prepared better, even in Plums days

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.03.15 08:28:31 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • As I saw the replay on the big screen at KP, I knew Bissie was going to see red.
    You cant fucking kick an oke in the neck FFS.

    John Smit and co at the Sharks must be absolutely livid. Here was a chance for the KP faithful to see some great running rugby with a stadium more full than it has been in a long time and Bissie and Steyn conspire to make sure that this turd of a game was produced.
    I heard a few old faithfuls say that that was the last game they were going to in a looong time.

    Im sure Smit cant wait for Bissie and his bro to leave these shores. And to be brutally honest, neither can I.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.03.15 08:28:51 by John Galt Reply

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  • Players urgently needed back? Alberts, Deysel,

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.03.15 08:29:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • spare a thought for Gary Gold guys. Baptism of fuck

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.03.15 08:30:27 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 22) : Why Jannie?? I mean it is not like Adriaanse can be our TH?? we stood strong in the scrums till Jannie left the field. :shock:

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.03.15 08:31:54 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 19) : Did Kanko not play, or not well enough not to be rated? :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.03.15 08:32:57 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 23) : Add Tera..

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.03.15 08:33:21 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 26) : oops :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.03.15 08:33:24 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 24) : That really sound like a horrible cheap porn movie.. :???:

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.03.15 08:34:26 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 27) : Yeah and tera :cry:

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.03.15 08:34:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 26) : Kanko was one of the hero’s for me, as he covered the backling too

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.03.15 08:35:12 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Yeah for these seasoned pro’s to do stupid things like that is beyond me. Looking at that tackle again from Steyn I don’t see any action from Steyn that indicates to me he even tried to put the guy down safely – no brains used there – but hey that’s my opinion only.
    So Fred to start this weekend with Hoffman at 9 and make Wentzel or Kanko captian?

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.03.15 08:37:07 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 30) : Say, when is Tera due back? If he can make it for this weekend he can be captain, with Lambie getting a rest and Fred wearing 10 (or Steyn if he doesn’t get banned).

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.03.15 08:37:28 by Another Nick Reply

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  • I must say for the fans to start questioning a players character is really just sad. I have never doubted Bismarck or Frans Steyn’s commitment to only delivering their best.

    No doubt the way Bissie reacted was a very stupid thing to do and as one of my favorite players, I am very disappointing with his actions, not just in this last match. In fact, I feel the Sharks have acted a little late with their internal fine, as I feel Bissie should have been rebuked and fined after the Bulls game. It seems he is frustrated and haven’t been able to get those frustrations out in a positive way.

    As far as Steyn goes. A player puts everything into a tackle, that would probably have been just a good solid tackle on a very slippery player, had it not been for support tacklers and you question his commitment to the team. Honestly, I just don’t see it.

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.03.15 08:38:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 24) : True, he got way more than what he bargained for lol

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.03.15 08:38:43 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • What Bismarck did was inexcusable…I hope he cops a heavy fine fro, the Sharks- no pay for the 4 weeks is about right. Steyn whilst maybe unlucky also has to realise that as soon a you lift a guys legs you run the risk.
    The Sharks surely have to rest Lambie and Coetzee for the force game…playing both would definitely not please SARU and Hyneke Meyer. These actions kinda back up what Jake White said bout Bok players being stupid

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.03.15 08:40:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 34) : Agree Letgo

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.03.15 08:41:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Bismarck got what he deserved on the day.Steyn should not be punished further.I’m sick and tired of all the “supporters” who can’t get over what happened.In 1995 Kobus Wiese knocked out Derwyn Jones.We all seemed to cheer for that incident.What would have happened if social media was available then?Would we have called for his head?People seem to forget that Bissie’s “redcard” against the all blacks was expunged.He hasn’t been in trouble since 2008.Pretty good for a player who is targeted so blatantly and frequently.They both need to work on there reactions to these incidences.I will never question the two players commitment to the sharks or boks.They both need to look at the way they react to onfield incidences though.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.03.15 08:41:55 by gavinrml Reply

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  • I hope some injured loosies come back from injury?? Alberts, Deysel, Tera?? We need backup fast

    If certain players are rested, cited, and one or 2 return from injury, this could be a possible team vs the Force.

    15 SP (was superb on Saturday)
    14 Odwa
    13 JPP
    12 Esterhuizen
    11 Wilson
    10 Freddy
    09 Hoffman
    08 Kanko
    07 Alberts
    06 Deysel/Khaya
    05 Wentzel
    04 Mouritz/Giant
    03 Jannie
    02 Cooper
    01 Beast/Chadwick

    16 Mondi
    17 Adriaanse
    18 Thomas
    19 Oosthuizen
    20 Du Preez
    21 Ungerer
    22 Cronje
    23 Sburu
    23 Williams.

    I know some will say JP must move to wing etc, but I do not see Gold making changes he does not need to,

    This means Lambie, Mvovo, Reinach and Marcell are rested. Bismark and Steyn are cited and Beast and Mouritz are possible injured players.

    Also I am not certain on the possible return of Deysel or Alberts, If both are still injured Oosthuisen will move to 7 flank and Khaya will play 6

    Bench will be T Meyer and JL duPreez on the bench as Lock and LF cover

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.03.15 08:43:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 19) : how on earth do you arrive at the conclusion the Sharks were expected to lose on Saturday? Maybe in your mind and Gold’s (who disappointingly said the Chiefs were favourites).

    For the rest, the Sharks were at home. Where they’re a good enough team to be expected to win every game. In fact we should demand it if we ever wish to emulate true champion dynasty teams like the Crusaders. Only issue is that we should have won by more if it wasn’t for the stupid reds.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.03.15 08:47:24 by Feather Reply

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  • @letgo I agree with your sentiment entirely! I was very disappointed in Bizzie…only because U hold him to a higher standard as one of my favourites! But now its all dine and dealt with. I hooe he comes back cooler headed and hungry! I back and support him regardless. Frans incident was one of those that could happen to any player and I loved that he came back onto the field post game to shake hands and apologise to his team mates and opposition.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.03.15 08:48:01 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 22) : @sharks_lover (Comment 25) :

    Because people on this site just don’t like the Du Plessis brothers. Bismarck has long been earmarked as the most dirty players in the Sharks team. Read the previous article. He hasn’t been given a red card since 2008 (I wonder if Jannie has an even better record). Although he has been provoked numerous times in this period, Bissie has always held back.

    I’m disappointed in his actions and he deserved the red and the deserves the 4 weeks, but it’s quite amazing to me, that a guy that has played more than 100 games of Super Rugby, only for the Sharks and has said numerous times he would never play for another South African union, could be so disliked by his own teams fans?

    I am now more upset by the reaction of people here than I am by his actions. Bissie has put his body on the line for his team more than 150 times and for his country 77 times, what have you done qualify yourself to decide whether a player is committed to his team or not?

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.03.15 08:48:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • We should, as the writer correctly points out, be demanding answers over the lost bonus point.

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.03.15 08:48:42 by Feather Reply

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  • @gavinrml (Comment 38) : We can’t get over it because we expect a lot more from them – as they both didn’t use their brains :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.03.15 08:50:07 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • How on earth do you arrive at the bizarre conclusion people don’t like the Du Plessis brothers? Nonsense!

    If you play or react like a doos, expect to be called a doos.

    Don’t know where Jannie fits into this.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.03.15 08:51:34 by Feather Reply

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  • Geez but what do they put in the drinking water in Bethlehem, OFS.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.03.15 08:52:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 44) : hear hear

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.03.15 08:53:44 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 45) :

    Look at comment 22.

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.03.15 08:55:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 42) : Just because he has a good record since 2008 doesn’t in any way give him an excuse to have done what he did on Saturday. We don’t dislike him – we dislike what he has done!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.03.15 08:56:20 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 45) :

    Frans Steyn is also not well liked on this site, only tolerated, because of his talent, some has even questioned that. Same with Bismarck and Jannie, who the Sharks clearly need.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.03.15 08:57:04 by Letgo Reply
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  • I think it’s time to move on from this topic :idea:

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.03.15 08:57:11 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Rob blaming Bissie for not scoring a 4 try bonus point is a bit rich, after all the Chiefs did not manage that against a team with one less player than them, in fact they didnt manage to even win the game with that advantage. Nothing in life is a given.

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.03.15 08:58:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 51) : I second.

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.03.15 09:00:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 40) : Feather my fair weathered friend, simply put, Sharks have not been on top of their game have they?? Chiefs whipped Stormers who whipped us not so?

    They were considered the favourites for the game fact!!!

    We proved the pundits wrong, SIMPLE!!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.03.15 09:00:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I often wonder why anyone would want to play rugby for the Sharks – it is surely not for the fans. :twisted:

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.03.15 09:00:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 41) : @Letgo (Comment 42) : @Letgo (Comment 50) : Agree 100%

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.03.15 09:01:43 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 51) : I think ur spot on :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.03.15 09:03:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • We’d say the same thing about any player who deliberately kicked another in the head. Bismarck deserves to know that the fans are disgusted by his actions. We don’t want filthy play at the Sharks. The team and their reputation are bigger than that.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.03.15 09:03:15 by Feather Reply

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  • On a more important note – I read that Lambie is playing with a groin injury at the moment. Any truth to that?

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.03.15 09:04:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 56) : Same here

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.03.15 09:05:01 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 58) : Yes he does already know, so for the next few weeks we going to whine about this?? everyone has said it over and over and over, it is done….

    He deserved to get 4 weeks and he got 4 weeks.

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.03.15 09:05:06 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 49) :

    Sure, that’s why Bismarcks commitment to the team is being questioned, because of a red card and all reactions here are so vindicated, because of a red card.

    That’s the only reason why people are not only supporting the 4 weeks, but actually agreeing that he deserved more, because of a red card.

    Plenty of Sharks players have received red cards in the past. This is not the reaction received for players well liked.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.03.15 09:05:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 22) : Why not go to the games, if its about the type of rugby played I could maybe understand but if its about a team showing immense guts and pride in beating a very good Chiefs team with one fewer player then I really dont understand.

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.03.15 09:06:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • It is fine to give an opinion but to regurgitate it over and over and over?

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.03.15 09:06:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 62) : Correct Letgo,

    SO will they only be happy when he leaves and lets say goes and plays for the Bulls?? no doubt they will be the first shouting traitor from the roof tops……

    Same can be said of Steyn.

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.03.15 09:07:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 58) :

    That’s not what happened when Deysel did the same in 2013. In fact, Deysel actually made contact with the players face. He’s jaw in fact, and his mouth bled after the incident, but many here defended Deysel.

    Yet, Bismarck makes contact with the players neck area, with not a scratch on the player, with this the reaction. You won’t be able to convince me that both players are equally like on this site.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.03.15 09:09:06 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 59) : Not sure Horings boet, Hope not, like Rob said he might well be asked to play again this coming weekend as he needs to cover as captain.

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.03.15 09:09:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : I was also one who defended Deysel. :mrgreen: guilty as charged…..

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.03.15 09:11:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 14) : Sure…I don’t disagree. I am hoping it will influence the hearing though…

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.03.15 09:11:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 64) : isn’t that exactly what you’re doing bro?

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.03.15 09:12:05 by Feather Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 65) : obviously that will happen. That is the typical Sharks supporter, Hate your best players, then Hate them more when they move on to a province who actually gives them the credit they deserve.

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.03.15 09:12:06 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @gavinrml (Comment 38) : Double standards are rife boet ;-)

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.03.15 09:12:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 59) :

    He should be rested this week. Regardless of the availability of other players. So should Marcell. We cannot aford to lose them to long term injuries, because we don’t trust the back-up we have.

    And if Marcell is not rested this week, then the coaches need to take the plunge and rest him against the Crusaders. There is no use singing the rotation policy tune at the start of the season, but then when the chips are down not following through with it. I’m tired of seeing players being over played. We have strong back-up, we need to trust them to put in one solid performance every now and then.

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.03.15 09:12:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 73) : See my team above Letgo, does not seem to bad… that will mean resting Lambie, Marcell, Mvovo and Reinach.

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.03.15 09:13:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 70) : Nope I am defending a player who is being slated beyond control.

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.03.15 09:14:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I think we all know Bismarck has a short fuse. We were not truly surprised by his kick were we? Deysel’s action came as a complete surprise.

    I think a lot of the feeling is perhaps also frustration/cognisance of Bismarck’s deteriorating form over the past year. A fact we cannot ignore.

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.03.15 09:15:18 by Feather Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 68) :

    Me to, but then, I am bias when it comes to all Sharks players. Not just some of them.

    Bissie’s actions was no worse than Deysels was, and there definitely were not the same type of backlash we are seeing now. Btw, Deysel was named as one of our captains that year, so it really was no different, except for the fact that Deysel did much more damage to the player than Bismarck did.

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.03.15 09:15:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 62) : Ok – lets just agree to disagree and move on :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.03.15 09:16:59 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 75) : how noble of you.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.03.15 09:17:29 by Feather Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 71) : Like Reinach ne Uli? :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.03.15 09:18:18 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 43) : see comment 52. That kind of logic would dictate that the Chiefs would have won this game with a bonus point.

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.03.15 09:19:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • We can probably all see or at least perceive that over an extended review period the captaincy does not rest well on Bismarck’s shoulders.

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.03.15 09:19:41 by Feather Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 81) : the weather was a leveller in the end (fortunately for the Sharks) but you cannot ignore what experience tells us is the effect of an early red card.

    Remember Labuschagne, Twickenham? 53-3.

    There are of course always exceptions like last year in Christchurch but these are abnormal results in the circumstances.

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.03.15 09:22:20 by Feather Reply

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  • We will not always agree (how boring would that be?) but one thing binds us all – a passion for the Sharks. Later fellow fans, try not to get too worked up. The sun will soon rise on another Saturday with loads more new issues to debate ;-)

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.03.15 09:25:38 by Feather Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 32) : I’m pretty sure Lambie will play…he will be one of the guys who only have to rest twice, so I think we have a bit of leeway there…

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.03.15 09:27:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Contact SARU, ask them who they want rested and rest them.
    Its time to show some faith in those that will have to stand in at some time or other and at least they now have a full game under their belts.

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.03.15 09:33:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 85) : Well I won’t mind that at all but seeing that we play the Saders after the Force I can’t see them allowing him 7 weeks in a row. So the rest should happen this week rather than later.

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.03.15 09:36:03 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 80) : I will rather support the Bulls before I do that. :P

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.03.15 09:37:28 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 83) : One or two Stormers losses playing 15 against 14 as well I recall. Very often losing a player actually gets the other 14 to play beyond themselves, and eases the opposition into a false sense of security.

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.03.15 09:38:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 48) : I hear your sentiment and don’t really disagree…except I would say that much of what you say is based on the comment of one fan here and doesn’t mean by a long way that everyone thinks so or that the fans on here should be lambasted. Respond to the one fan…
    The way I see it:
    - this incident was really poor on Bismarck’s part.
    - he has done a few things in recent weeks that are concerning.
    - He has now (maybe a bit late from the Sharks perspective) been punished for his indiscretion.
    - hopefully he learns his lesson and something changes.
    - now let’s move on
    (Most of which you have also said and we clearly agree on… :lol: )

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.03.15 09:39:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : I think the difference for me that the Crusader was still holding onto Deysel’s leg for dear life when he stamped him. In Bismark’s case the tackler already let go, and he still had to teach him a lesson by tapping him in the face.

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.03.15 09:40:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 55) : Hau…

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.03.15 09:41:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 88) : Lol ;-)

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.03.15 09:42:08 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 8) : Tera should. He or Kanko.

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.03.15 09:42:14 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : I’ve said before that I agree with you…but not in this instant…put the two incidents next to each other and you’ll see the difference. The Deysel incident included far more provocation from the opponent, his stamp was clearly aimed at getting the player to let go and the way he was standing and the player lying meant that contact with the head occurred. I’m not condoning what Deysel did and his punishment was also deserved, but the Bismarck incident was truly ugly. The way they were lying and Bismarck was looking at Messam looked to me like a premeditated kick straight at his head area. Just not good in any way. I have called the action by Bismarck stupid, poor and extremely disappointing. I for one would have done and said exactly the same if it was any other player…

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.03.15 09:50:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Hopefully this notion that du Plessis should be Sharks captain is now finally and permanently discredited and abandoned.

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.03.15 09:55:38 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 95) : Sorry…it was obviously Leitch…Messam was busy strangling Bothma at the time…what was I thinking?! :lol:

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.03.15 10:01:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • It’s not that I despise Bissy or Frans but at this stage of their careers, and because both willingly accepted leadership roles in the team, I do expect more from them. They cannot only play with their hearts, their heads need to be in the game at all times for the sake of others in the team. Boils down to hearts and minds. Simple as that.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.03.15 10:19:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I love the passion SW bloggers have for the Sharks & their antics. Opened up the proverbial can of worms! :grin: I tell quite philosophically that the game is over we have the points (not the 5 we needed)& Saturday will be a new game.My favoutite verse in the bible is – And it came to pass! :grin: Kyle will cope well.Fred will prove us wrong (I really hope he shows he is an adequate replacement for Superpat!) & Esterhuizen will show he can break lines in FS’s place.We do need this outlet on SW (don’t stop now)& the tolerance shown is admirable.
    My captain for Saturday will be Marco (if Odwa is rested).
    As a parting shot, did anyone think the deliberate interference on Odwa was also punishable & the tackle on Reinach in last couple of minutes? :???:
    Question – If Messam was cited & given a red card postmortem (sorry post-game), does he also have have to face an inquiry?Just asking

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.03.15 15:22:48 by markm Reply

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  • Well at least Steyn has been cleared.

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.03.15 22:34:38 by [email protected] Reply

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  • @markm (Comment 99) : Yup…also faces an enquiry…apparently tomorrow sometime!

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.03.15 23:14:02 by pastorshark Reply
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