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Bok trio get the week off


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Springboks, Super Rugby on 24 Mar 2015 at 12:54
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The Sharks have confirmed, via their official website, that a trio of key Springboks will be given the week off and thus not play against the Force on Saturday.

Pat Lambie, Marcell Coetzee and Cobus Reinach, all of whom went on to play starring roles in the narrow win over the Chiefs at the weekend, will sit out in line with (although belatedly) the national body’s request to rest Springboks in this World Cup year.

Assistant coach Paul Anthony has revealed that having Frans Steyn available for selection this week has massively eased the coaching team’s headache in this regard; Steyn may well play flyhalf, but even if he doesn’t, his presence at inside centre will prove a calimng one to whoever comes in; Fred Zeilinga and Lionel Cronje have been identified as potential candidates.

The Sharks will, of course, need to find a new captain this week; it’s not clear if Steyn will be given that responsibility as well, or if the coaches will look elsewhere.



149 Comments

  • As I thought!!! :cry:

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.03.15 12:58:29 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Please play Fred at 10, not Steyn.

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.03.15 13:00:03 by Ben Reply
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  • Happy the trio gets a rest.

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.03.15 13:00:25 by Ben Reply
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  • So the conundrum…who’s captain?

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.03.15 13:00:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Sensible decision. Now just for Fred at 10, Frans at 12 and JPP at 13 (although I would prefer Sbu there)

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.03.15 13:00:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Here’s hoping they give Fred a run against the Force!

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.03.15 13:02:47 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • The probable Sharks team? of course I have no idea as to any injured players returning or getting injured this past weekend.

    15 SP
    14 JpP
    13 Sbura
    12 Steyn Capt
    11 Mvovo
    10 Freddy
    09 Hoffman
    08 Kanko VC
    07 Oosthuizen
    06 Bothma
    05 Wentzel
    04 Botha
    03 Jannie
    02 Cooper
    01 Beast

    16 Mondi
    17 Adriaanse
    18 Chadwick
    19 Giant
    20 D duPreez
    21 Ungerger
    20 Odwa
    22 Esterhuizen

    And yes Steyn might also start at 10 with Fred on the bench with Esterhuizen starting, Also not sure he will start Sbura but think he might as he got subbed early in the VC match and had played pretty well at 13.

    Big problem for me is we have no fetcher, even for the VC team Majola is not a fetcher either, Maybe a Dysel return would be a nice surprise….. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.03.15 13:05:31 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Id love to see Zeilinga get a chance. Is Ndungane not a co-captain? Surely he must captain then? Ndungane at 15? Sithole and Mvovo on the wings. Im assuming Hoffman will start with Ungerer on the bench. Cooper to start with Hadebe bench. Majola for Coetzee?

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.03.15 13:06:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I hope Fred gets a run at 10! He looked very sharp against Border (yes, I know it was only Border, but he looked a cut above the rest all the same) :grin:

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.03.15 13:06:44 by StevieS Reply
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  • Of course it would be great if we could have an alberts and Deysel back, but only Deysel does some fetching….

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.03.15 13:06:58 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : With 3 enforced changes already there is no way SP will get dropped, and to be honest right now I wouldn’t either as it would basically mean a whole new backline, even dropping Odwa to the bench for Sbura is a problem.

    For continuity this should actually be the backline

    15 SP
    14 Odwa
    13 JpP
    12 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 Fred
    09 Hoffman

    21 Ungerer
    22 Esterhuizen
    23 Sbura

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.03.15 13:10:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Fred at 10 = four try bonus point win

    Frans at 10 = low scoring narrow win

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.03.15 13:11:18 by woody Reply
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  • Then of course my gut feel backline lol

    15 SP
    14 Odwa
    13 JP
    12 Esterhuizen
    11 Mvovo
    10 Steyn
    09 Hoffman

    21 Ungerer
    22 Fred
    23 Sbura

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.03.15 13:14:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 11) : I can live with that backline.

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.03.15 13:15:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • :roll: It is said you gotta go with ur gut !!! :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.03.15 13:15:54 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 14) : POsted 3 now lol

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.03.15 13:16:46 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 16) : Post 11 pls

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.03.15 13:17:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Very happy they have rested Lambie, he had a groin niggle so a good time.

    Marcell needed a break too, Reinach only gaining form so not so much but better get it behind us.

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.03.15 13:18:14 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : Yup got that mate, was just teasin

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.03.15 13:20:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 11) : True…my only reason for moving Odwa is he captains- captain on the wing not ideal. Other than that i would expect your backline as stated. Could be interesing forward combo altho i think Oosthiuzen will replace Coetzee with Bothma playing 6.

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.03.15 13:24:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Very happy about the timing of this. And is be lying if I said it wasn’t because it just so happens I’ll be in Durbs for the Saders match! :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.03.15 13:26:18 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : Yup Sheldon with not knowing the injury situation you will see the full team I posted I had a loose trio of 8 Kanko, 07 Oosthuisen, 06 Bothma.

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.03.15 13:27:25 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I also have no doubt that if Alberts, Tera and Deysel do not return from injury, the following in Meyer, Majola or D du Preez if selected would not let the team down.

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.03.15 13:30:16 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • BTW I see on many blogs other supporters chirping us about not scoring tries, funny thing is the Sharks in the SA conference have scored the most tries :lol: so how DOF are those other team supporters ?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.03.15 13:32:14 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Actually, I would love to see Frans play at 10. If you want to be bored with my reasoning which will be extensive then I cannot protect you for what will follow… :twisted:

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.03.15 13:47:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 25) : bored with your reasoning.. Never. Let us have it Morne! Actually I’m kinda on the fence on this so would like to hear a case for Steyn at 10.

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.03.15 13:51:42 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 25) : :mrgreen: Morne, dagse ou grote :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 24.03.15 13:52:49 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Actually imagine the size of this backline.

    15 SP
    14 JpP
    13 Sbura
    12 Esterhuizen
    11 Mvovo
    10 Steyn
    09 Hoffman

    Only Hoffman not that big

    Bench 21 Ungerer, 22 Cronje, 23 Wilson,

    2 scrumhalves are smaller but still big. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.03.15 13:56:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 25) : Let’s hear it please, always worth a read.

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.03.15 14:01:34 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 25) :

    Same here. Tell me why.

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.03.15 14:04:04 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 25) :

    My reasoning for not putting Steyn at 10.

    I rate Zeilinga highly and I think we should try to stick with minimal changes.

    Also the reason why I’d prefer JPP to stay at 13 for another week, with Sithole on the bench and then we can bring him into the midfield next week with Lambie’s return.

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.03.15 14:05:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 30) : Be patient the man is writing an essay

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.03.15 14:06:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 32) : Lol

    An essay which we will all pour over eagerly.

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.03.15 14:07:01 by StevieS Reply
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  • Can anyone remember when Steyn, Kanko and JPP played their first games this season and will they also be asked to be rested at some point, or at least, will our coaches think of resting them too at some point.

    Same as Mvovo and SP who has played every game. We should maybe looking at the Lions game to give those guys a breather, we have options in the back line to cover for them in that game.

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.03.15 14:07:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 32) :

    I didn’t check the time of the post, also, I want him to be sure that we are all eager to read his opinion.

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.03.15 14:07:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 34) : I think only contracted Boks are covered in the agreement with SARU, but you’re correct, we should rest and rotate the other guys.

    We will be losing players overseas after the World Cup. therefore I think it best we start to blood our youngsters sooner rather than later.

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.03.15 14:08:54 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 33) : :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.03.15 14:11:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I was thinking about Frans’ disciplinary record and him being the captain. …and after some thought I would make him Captain thereby making him a bit more strategic and also this will guide his decision making.

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.03.15 14:12:49 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 35) : For sure.

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.03.15 14:12:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 27) :

    Howzit bra!

    @gregkaos (Comment 26) :

    First off this is a subjective view and made with no context of the current team environment or the so-called ‘inside info’ on what is happening with the team.

    The guy’s talent and ability;

    I saw Frans for the first time ripping WP a new one at a soaked Kings Park many years ago playing at flyhalf. So when it comes to whether the guy ‘has it’ or the talent to slot in at 10 I have no doubts as to his natural talent and ability to pull it off.

    The guy’s journey;

    There is a belief (which I personally subscribe to) that you have to try and put the players which potentially are the biggest ‘influencers’ of a game as close to the action (the ball) as much as possible. With Cobus out rested the Sharks does not possess the game to play off 9, which mean they will have to play off their flyhalf and if you give me a choice of Fred, Lionel or Frans to be the player to potentially give you momentum I would pick Frans any day of the week, he has the experience, he commands attention (from opposition defenders) and as stated above, he definitely has the potential.

    Where he finds himself now;

    Frans for me is currently at a stage where his ‘legend’ will be defined. In my VERY limited experience in working with players where they are ‘lost’ or struggle to define themselves in a logical context, I always advise them to go back (in your head) to what you trust, and what you are comfortable with (I got the t-shirt moments). This is a mental shift the player needs to make and for my money the shift needs to be made back when he felt comfortable and on top of the world with his game (see above the WP game I mentioned and what put him on the map).

    This will seem to many (because it does to me) like a ‘coach’ that is going on a gut-feel, and in many ways it is, but my practical reasoning around this is giving a guy, a very talented guy, the freedom he once enjoyed that made him a great player.

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.03.15 14:14:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 32) :

    Hey that was short compared to my usual standards.

  • Comment 41, posted at 24.03.15 14:20:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : Geez Mone that was lomg ago, he still called Gavin Cowlwy oom in the after match interview. Hell he was so good in that game.

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.03.15 14:21:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : Couldn’t agree more.

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.03.15 14:21:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Why not put Fransie at 15 and Esterhuizen at 12? :twisted:

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.03.15 14:21:59 by bokbok Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 42) :

    You never unlearn something, as a young player, you just add to what comes naturally to you.

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.03.15 14:22:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : If he can play with freedom then yes, I’d love to see him at 10. That being said, I also enjoy the way Fred takes a game by the scruff of the neck.

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.03.15 14:23:07 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 41) : :lol: for sure bro :razz:

    My post 28 has a backline with Steyn at 10, huge backline and could be very destructive if they gel.

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.03.15 14:23:17 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) :

    I support your views on Frans, but as Lambie will be back in a week, would this still be a good option for him, because he will only fill a gap, or do you think this one game at 10 will help him regain some of that magic?

    I think Zeilinga has a future with the Sharks at 10, always behind Lambie, but still, later on he might play a bigger role than just the odd game. He might be rotated with Lambie more often.

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.03.15 14:24:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • @bokbok (Comment 44) : :evil: no lol

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.03.15 14:25:04 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 42) :

    Frans still called Kobus Wiese oom last year.

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.03.15 14:25:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 46) : @Letgo (Comment 48) :

    Fred, bless his soul, because I do like his play a lot, has a lot to offer the Sharks in future, but I want world class players in positions of influence and Fred is not in this class (yet).

    Lambie will be back, and he is #1 without a doubt, but in his absence and how the Sharks should, in my view, manage their game further in this competition, Steyn and Lambie should interchange at will as first receivers in any situation in any game. And yes, I think Frans will find his magic again if he is given an opportunity to exert influence directly into a game, and that is more likely as first receiver, than second receiver who controls the pace of the game as his primary role.

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.03.15 14:29:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : Well that has sold me! Thanks for the different perspective.

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.03.15 14:30:00 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : :cool:

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.03.15 14:32:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 51) : Curious. Would you make him Captain? He seems to me as the logical choice, and even more so if playing at 10. However, I’m torn between thinking that would be an additional burden on him, or add an extra spark. He will obviously be the leader in the backline though.

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.03.15 14:35:53 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Some perspective, and Rob will know this from our private conversations – Frans has done nothing but frustrate me in the last couple of years.

    My personal feelings aside, this guy is magic when he has, or is given confidence, and more than anything I want to see that back again.

    I want to throw him in the deep end but with a life-jacket – because I reckon after 10 minutes he will take the life-jacket off and walk on water.

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.03.15 14:36:05 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 51) : Ok, I see your point, and it’s a very good one.

    I hope they at least give Fred a run off the bench to let him grow into the position.

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 54) :

    I would pick my match-day captain out of my forwards, even if that guy is a relative junior player, Frans will naturally assume a team leadership role.

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.03.15 14:38:17 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 51) :

    Good point Morne. As always.

    And I fully support the train of thought where 10/12 should be interchangeable, where the 12 has the ability to play as first receiver and maybe, given this argument, it is better for the Sharks’campaign to give Frans a proper run at 10, without Lambie there, so that he would start doing this more when Lambie gets back.

    I still feel Fred is very close to world class and given the opportunity will blossom, but I think this will only happen in the absence of Lambie, so your argument sticks.

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.03.15 14:38:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 56) :

    Freddy needs to come off the bench for 20 in my view, Frans moves to 12 then.

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.03.15 14:39:05 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 57) :

    Kankowski?
    Wentzel?
    Jannie … surely no?
    Botha?
    Botma?

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  • @Letgo (Comment 60) : Cooper! :)

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.03.15 14:42:07 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 58) :

    My view is in many ways are also selfish – apart from the fact that I think it will assist your campaign, I also want Frans firing for England later this year, Fred’s time will come, as you mentioned, in the absence of Lambie

  • Comment 62, posted at 24.03.15 14:42:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 59) : That’s what I was thinking.

    Who would you have at 12 to start?

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  • @Letgo (Comment 60) :

    Wentzel or Mauritz if it was up to me.

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.03.15 14:43:06 by Morné Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 63) :

    That big lad of yours, like I said, the second receiver controls the pace and momentum of the game, the 10 decides where he does it.

  • Comment 65, posted at 24.03.15 14:44:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : Esterhuizen you mean?

    I’d like to see more of him as well.

  • Comment 66, posted at 24.03.15 14:48:34 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) : So you reckon Frans will still be in Bok reckoning?

  • Comment 67, posted at 24.03.15 14:48:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 66) :

    That is the guy, needs work on his hands (how he holds/controls the ball pre/in/post contact) and his powerstep of both feet but he has potential.

    @Bokhoring (Comment 67) :

    It would be silly if he is not – unless he makes himself unavailable of course.

  • Comment 68, posted at 24.03.15 14:52:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 68) : I’m sure Brendan Venter will be working on his skills.

    Can’t you write a skills manual for all schools coaches to get the basic skills right from Primary school? Even playing club now I see guys who can’t pass both ways. That’s where New Zealand are streaks ahead of us.

  • Comment 69, posted at 24.03.15 14:55:43 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 68) : Correct Morne, Esterhuizen also happens to have a huge left boot, so could compliment steyn during switches in play.

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.03.15 14:58:49 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 69) : One of the Blitzbok guys also said that they trialed guys that couldn’t pass both ways…that’s at professional senior level :shock:

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.03.15 14:59:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 68) : Like I said, this backline could be dangerous for sure. And of course this backline is only for this weekend as the rested players returning will change this again.

    15 SP
    14 JpP
    13 Sbura
    12 Esterhuizen
    11 Mvovo
    10 Steyn
    09 Hoffman

    Bench 21 Ungerer, 22 Fred, 23 Wilson/Odwa

  • Comment 72, posted at 24.03.15 15:01:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 69) :

    Strange you mention that, this workshop I was doing for the last 2 days with all our unions and their development/junior high performance managers included a skills audit manual of what is expected of any player, per position, per age-group and what they should be able to do at any of the development stages from U15 upwards.

    It includes what the norm should be, and what makes a player at any of the age-group stage below average, or exceptional.

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.03.15 15:02:18 by Morné Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 72) : One can go as far as resting SP and playing Odwa at 15, options are there

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  • @Morné (Comment 73) : Wow, that’s great news!!!

    Glad to hear you guys are doing that.

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) : That is shocking! :shock:

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  • @StevieS (Comment 75) : Not really Steve, my pet hate is so call pro sportsman that cannot kick with both feet, be it soccer or rugby.

  • Comment 76, posted at 24.03.15 15:08:19 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 76) : Kicking with both feet probably depends…is the culprit running away or laying still? :twisted:

  • Comment 77, posted at 24.03.15 15:10:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 75) :

    It is not just skills, norms for conditioning and mental application (player’s head space and picking up what they lack from a mental capacity to become professional) will also be assessed from U15

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 76) :

    Ja Bismarck is especially kak at this, reviewing the video it seems he only kicks with one foot… :twisted:

  • Comment 79, posted at 24.03.15 15:13:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 77) :

    Psych

  • Comment 80, posted at 24.03.15 15:13:45 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 79) : :mrgreen: :lol:

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 77) : :lol: boet

  • Comment 82, posted at 24.03.15 15:14:36 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 78) : Is that what is setting the English age group rugby apart at the moment (specifically talking about their quality at u/20 rwc)…a very professional approach from a young age?

  • Comment 83, posted at 24.03.15 15:14:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 79) : @Morné (Comment 80) : Hahahaha :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 24.03.15 15:20:16 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 78) : Why don’t we just implement the NZ weight group/age group system? That should take care of all the skills issues from a young age.

  • Comment 85, posted at 24.03.15 15:22:19 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 78) : Well done, you guys have thought of everything.

    I’m really impressed.

  • Comment 86, posted at 24.03.15 15:25:10 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 79) : And a weak kicker at that?? :evil:

  • Comment 87, posted at 24.03.15 15:25:36 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 83) :

    I chatted to a guy that was part of their last winning campaign in NZ where they beat us – what struck me from what he mentioned is that they only spent about 30% of their time on the practice field ‘training’ in the traditional sense, 70% of the time they worked on their mental application and game management (situational awareness).

    To me it made sense because imo if you get to that level of high performance (national teams) there is not much you can do to improve skills. Yes you can work on systems (the 30% I mentioned above) but with the limited time you have with squads and players at international level (even U20) there is no way you can work on basic skills – at this level it is about how you apply your skills and refining your systems and your unit execution (roles of front row, tight 5, loosies, half backs, inside backs, outside backs, etc).

    What I know, and what the world knows, is that we have the best schools rugby system (players, leagues, competitions, elite groups, etc) we just need to create proper pathways from this system to elite pro levels.

    NZ, more than England, is excellent at this.

  • Comment 88, posted at 24.03.15 15:26:41 by Morné Reply
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  • Sharks need a 5 pointer this weekend, none negotiable :roll:

  • Comment 89, posted at 24.03.15 15:26:50 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 88) : Interesting and totally makes sense.

  • Comment 90, posted at 24.03.15 15:28:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 85) :

    Not a huge fan of a weight system, can’t remember which thread but I went into detail why the other day – where I do agree though is that our current system is not conducive to proper skills development, but I would rather opt for is changing how the game is introduced, and played, at various levels.

    As an example, playing a full 15-man code from U9 to U12 level for me is useless or not conducive to developing basic skills.

  • Comment 91, posted at 24.03.15 15:32:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 91) : Thanks, I’ll see if I can find the thread.

  • Comment 92, posted at 24.03.15 15:34:31 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 91) : I remember the conversation, but not the thread.

    I watched some tag rugby on the weekend and it really gives the youngsters a chance to show off their skills and speed. Great way to develop the game.

  • Comment 93, posted at 24.03.15 15:36:49 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 92) :

    For some reason I still have admin rights on here from my days of blogging and writing ;)

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2015/03/16/the-challenges-we-face/

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.03.15 15:38:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 94) : Cheers! :cool:

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.03.15 15:39:58 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 94) : You’re not a fan of weight group rugby, but you do admit in your piece that it’s exactly this NZ weight group policy, which gives them the advantage:

    The introduction of weight category rugby with their youth has now started to show its true value. They have spent the past two decades evolving their national development programs to produce players who are creative in their thought, spontaneous in their actions, and smart in their application of their immense skill sets.

    Is there a reason, besides the odd U/13 playing against an U/15 player, why you reckon we shouldn’t have exactly the same system in SA?

    I personally can’t think of a better selection policy than this:

    Age grade vs. weight restricted grades. Where applicable, all players must play in their age grade in the first instance. When a player is deemed good enough he will be instructed to play in the age grade (e.g. U14 not 6th Grade) over weight
    restricted grades.

    For example – an U14 player is encouraged to trial for the U14s in the first instance. If he is not selected for the U14s he will then be eligible for selection for a weight restricted team.

    -For age grades all boys are to play in the correct age band. Age is taken from the 1st of January of the current year.
    -For weight restricted grades all boys are to play in the correct weight band.

    Weight restricted grades are:
    4th Grade – 68kg-76kg
    5th Grade – 60kg–68kg
    6th Grade – 52kg-60kg
    7th Grade – Under 52 kg U13 rest – Under 55kg U12 – Under 49 kg

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.03.15 15:57:45 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 88) : Very interesting…I suppose you guys are rectifying this shortcoming through these workshops then…this bodes well for the future.

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 96) :

    Oh I did not write that, I just contributed through comments. So in many ways I disagree with the author (with respect).

    As for your question, I think it is critical for a child to remain with his immediate peer (age specific) group up to the age of 13/14.

    From there once a boy hits puberty I have no problem with his associations from a mental/maturity perspective.

    For me great rugby players are not measured or identified physically but rather mentally if our focus is from ages 15 to 17. From 17 to 21 we can work on their conditioning (strength or physical maturity).

  • Comment 98, posted at 24.03.15 16:04:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 98) : OK Sorry! I thought you were Rugby Doctor! :oops:

  • Comment 99, posted at 24.03.15 16:06:23 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 97) :

    For me it is not a case of copying other nations, rather that we realise we are a bit behind when it comes to ensuring our systems operate properly.

    What is bloody exciting for me right now, is that within all these workshops and chats with unions we are consistently told ‘We have been waiting for this for 25 years’.

    The days of the governing body and unions not working together, is very quickly, coming to an end. We are all finally waking up.

  • Comment 100, posted at 24.03.15 16:08:34 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 98) : In your opinion, why don’t the points of concern you raise seem to be a problem in NZ?

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  • @Morné (Comment 100) : :mrgreen:

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  • I promised myself and Rob is my witness that I would back the boys to the hilt, and refrain from any negativity. As much as actions are out of my control, how I respond to it is within my control, thus I rather went silent (say nothing if you can’t say anything positive).

    We move on, the seas have been wild and the boat has been rocked, and now we have to honour the Boks with some time off, which is fair play. All I can say is that Fred should’ve (could’ve, would’ve) been better off with some game time for the Senior side, its a bit hectic (lavish understatement) to go from junior side rugby and no action at all to managing the most important position in the game in what is a must win game, and not just for the log standings, but for the fans and stakeholders, there needs to be some positive vibes happening to keep our reason for believing in tact, sure we may not see the trophy this year (AGAIN), but we must still go out there and bleed for the cause and try to win respect back a minute at a time. If we can show commitment and passion, I will back them all the way. (die well and fight with honour).

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  • @Morné (Comment 100) : So it is now basically up to the unions to ensure their schools receive the “training manuals”…gone are the days then of big boys being coached to run over guys.

  • Comment 104, posted at 24.03.15 16:18:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Richard (Comment 103) : Keeping silent is hard work Richard :mrgreen:

  • Comment 105, posted at 24.03.15 16:20:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Richard (Comment 103) : Jokes aside and like I said so many times, I agree that Bismark needs to, and got what was coming his way for stupidity, but that’s a dead over flogged horse, so being positive is more than what’s needed right now, for all us fans and of course the team , so agree fully with you

  • Comment 106, posted at 24.03.15 16:22:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • On a Lambie note? I see some still crying about Lambie kicking too much? did anyone notice that in the last match he actually did hit the line a few times and got through once or twice??

    Good positive signs for me.

  • Comment 107, posted at 24.03.15 16:24:16 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 104) : That won’t change. I’ll bet you that in 10 years from now you could go to any primary school game and you’d still hear 200 parents shouting at whoever has the ball to “Pass vir Jannie” – Jannie being the 6ft 80kg U/11 centre.

  • Comment 108, posted at 24.03.15 16:25:49 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 108) : :lol:

  • Comment 109, posted at 24.03.15 16:27:06 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 109) : No jokes, I’ve got first-hand platteland experience of this phenomenon.

    At one stage we lived in Louis Trichardt and watched some primary school rugby. There was this huge township kid called “Surprise” who played wing for the first team.

    Irrespective of who had the ball on that field, every single oom and tannie on the sidelines screamed “Gooi vir Surprise!!!”, because when Surprise got the ball it was try time.

  • Comment 110, posted at 24.03.15 16:32:22 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 110) : :lol: Yeah I went to watch a friend of mines kid in Phalaborwa some years ago, played Bullietjie rugby, bare foot nogal lol

  • Comment 111, posted at 24.03.15 16:34:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 105) : You know it! My goodness, I was definitely not silent during the game! It was like I was a parent at a game between Voortrekker and Pionier Vryheid – I was screaming “Breek sy ribbes” “moer hom” “F**K him up!” How can they DOOOOOOOO THAT! I was in a state… But yeah, we move on, we clean up the blood and we look forward. Bissie, yeah that is a flogged horse, but hoping that he can come back a reformed man. If not, I back Pat for captaincy as he has signed until 2017. Onwards!

  • Comment 112, posted at 24.03.15 16:35:07 by Richard Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 111) : Hahaha Bulletjie rugby. Total chaos! Loved it!

  • Comment 113, posted at 24.03.15 16:37:43 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • :lol: Agree boet, I was the same, was so angry at the dirty play from them, but yeah our players should have tried not to get caught in the crap. every loose maul when driving they csme from the side etc. I was like gonna have a heart attack. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 114, posted at 24.03.15 16:37:50 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 113) : yup lol

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  • @Richard (Comment 112) : Agree whole heartedly for Lambie to Captain the Sharks, couldn’t ask for better.

  • Comment 116, posted at 24.03.15 16:39:08 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 101) :

    Sorry, got busy, will try to go into more detail but simplest explanation for now (and I hope it makes sense) – player numbers (1 mil vs. 100K) and logistics in the sense of a nationally managed system (NZRU) vs regionally managed system (SA Rugby).

    NZ can get away with macro management (central federaton NZRU controlling all), we need micro management in SA (federation supporting unions while adopting uniformed norms).

  • Comment 117, posted at 24.03.15 16:39:48 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 117) : Makes sense to a degree. So for us to ever be as consistently good as NZ we must cut player numbers to 100 000 so that we can macro manage? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 118, posted at 24.03.15 16:44:44 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • I had 4 candidates to captain the Sharks this weekend, Wentzel, Steyn, Botha, Kanko, and I see Gavin Rich in this article puts Steyn as the front runner, with Kanko and wentzel the 2 outsiders.

    http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/150324/Three_candidates_for_Sharks_captaincy

  • Comment 119, posted at 24.03.15 16:44:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 104) :

    Not quite, unions are also now realising we want to help them and not work against them – if you told anyone two years ago we would;

    * Get all the SA Rugby Academies in a room together voting in favour of a national academy programme to serve SA Rugby (not just the unions)

    * All the franchises scrum coaches together in one room with the Springbok scrum coach plotting the next 5 years of our dominance in this area of the game at all levels

    * All the junior HP managers and development officers from all the unions in one room adopting a single system and programme to scout and develop players from U15 level upwards.

    Then you would have laughed it off as insane.

    All this happened and we are only in March…

  • Comment 120, posted at 24.03.15 16:50:55 by Morné Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 118) :

    Micro management can definitely work, if we are all on the same page with the same goal – we are well on our way.

  • Comment 121, posted at 24.03.15 16:51:54 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 120) : Exciting times ahead. Keep up the phenomenal work Morne!

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 122) :

    Tell that to my wife ;)

  • Comment 123, posted at 24.03.15 17:53:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 121) : Awesome! Can’t wait to see the result over the next 10 – 20 years, if I make it that far with the stress the current lot is putting us through.

  • Comment 124, posted at 24.03.15 17:57:31 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 110) : Small world. I grew up in Louis Trichardt. My parents, two uncles and brother still live there. My two younger cousins play for the High School’s first and second teams. What year did you leave?

  • Comment 125, posted at 24.03.15 18:11:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 125) : I left in 1996. Was only there for a year after starting a franchised cash loans business, which I sold because it wasn’t my kind of racket. Enjoyed the life though!

  • Comment 126, posted at 24.03.15 18:14:43 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 120) : How/who was responsible for implementing this new national and union mentality shift?

    btw…thanks for all the info and insights, it sure goes a long way in educating us normal fans on what is going on behind the scenes. :grin:

  • Comment 127, posted at 24.03.15 18:17:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 126) : I left in 99 to start my studies. Still a great place to live in my opinion.

  • Comment 128, posted at 24.03.15 18:19:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 127) :

    SARU has finally formed (what has been in planning for 3 years now) the ‘Rugby Department’ – it deals with all things rugby and what happens on the pitch, bringing together and aligning rugby from U6 to Springbok level which has been managed as several (4 in fact) different programmes or entities up till now.

    The big shift now is that the schoolboy player (and coach/administrator/manager) is as important as the Springbok one.

    The guy that heads this up is Rassie Erasmus, and I am fortunate enough to sit right next to him.

  • Comment 129, posted at 24.03.15 18:43:02 by Morné Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 127) :

    And btw, I am also just a fan bud.

  • Comment 130, posted at 24.03.15 18:53:17 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 129) : That’s pretty awesome. Two many SA companies and organizations have a silo mentality

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  • Been fun, I am off guys and girls

  • Comment 132, posted at 24.03.15 19:07:25 by Morné Reply
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  • Thanks for all the great insights, Morné!

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  • I’m quite happy if we end up playing Frans at 10, because it will give Esterhuizen or Williams another chance at 12 ,and because I do have confidence in Frans at 10. However, personally I really hope Fred gets a chance at 10…

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 133) : Say hi to Rassie from us… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 135, posted at 25.03.15 07:02:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Lionel Cronje at 10 please. Boy is a match winner and gets the backline moving.

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  • @Morné (Comment 129) : It must be a privilege to work with him. I’ve got great respect for his rugby knowledge.

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  • @StevieS (Comment 137) :

    I have the best job in the world.

  • Comment 138, posted at 25.03.15 11:01:24 by Morné Reply
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  • Does anyone know when deysel and alberts will be fit again?

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  • @Morné (Comment 138) : Yes you do. I’m jealous!!!

    @tigershark (Comment 139) : I think another 2 weeks and they’ll be back. I read something like that.

  • Comment 140, posted at 25.03.15 11:37:54 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 138) : Last person I heard say that was a fluffer on a porn movie set

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  • @The hound (Comment 141) : And what was your job on set, I hope it wssnt seeing to the woodwork.

  • Comment 142, posted at 25.03.15 11:43:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 142) : I wasn’t the focus puller either.

  • Comment 143, posted at 25.03.15 11:45:25 by The hound Reply
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  • Was it at least fun. Speaking of…I remember many moons ago they were planning on shooting a porn movie in Pongola, it caused consternation in the dorp.

  • Comment 144, posted at 25.03.15 12:04:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @tigershark (Comment 139) : Deysel is apparently close.

  • Comment 145, posted at 25.03.15 12:11:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 145) : Great.Wonder who will wear the no 6 jersey this werkend.deysel would have been perfect!

  • Comment 146, posted at 25.03.15 12:34:05 by tigershark Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 146) : Khaya is most likely, isn’t he?

  • Comment 147, posted at 25.03.15 14:52:17 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 144) : Petronella doen Pongola. I’ve got the Director’s Cut.

  • Comment 148, posted at 25.03.15 15:18:53 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 147) : I reckon maybe Bothma…

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