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Sharks burgle another


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 28 Mar 2015 at 19:01
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The Sharks proved for a second week that ugly is the only way they know how to win – prevailing somewhat fortunately against a game Western Force side by 15 points to 9.

The effects of a disrupted build up week were evident early on – despite dominance at the tackle from the likes of Jean Deysel and Renaldo Bothma and a scrum that had the outgunned Force unit firmly in reverse gear, the home side simply wasn’t able to capitalise. Atrocious decision-making and execution from replacement halfbacks Conrad Hoffmann and Frans Steyn, coupled with shoddy lineout throwing from new man Kyle Cooper, conspired to keep the Force in the game. The unexpected surfeit of territory and possession from Sharks mistakes in turn lead to far greater confidence with ball in hand for the visitors as the half progressed.

As the Sharks began to fall off tackles, it was the Force who time and again found themselves on attack. Two Sias Ebersohn penalties separated the sides at half time, after the Force had been denied what looked to be a pretty good try, with the TMO ruling that the ball had not been carried over the line.

The Sharks struck back in the second period, with a strong scrum on halfway opening a gap for Hoffmann to link with Odwa Ndungane down the right flank. The winger was hauled in (as he so often is these days) with the resulting recycled ball finding its way to Steyn. The flyhalf saw space and threw a long bouncing pass which SP Marais picked up for his first try of the campaign.

Steyn missed the conversion, as he had every other kick he’d attempted on the night.

The introduction of new halfbacks in Stefan Ungerer and Fred Zeilinga did little to turn matters around. Zeilinga did eventually strike a good penalty to give the sharks an 8-6 lead, but they conceded right in front of their own posts shortly afterwards. Sias Ebersohn somehow managed to let the Sharks off the hook by shanking the kick that should have won the lead back for his side; Marais countered strongly from the resulting restart and found Lwazi Mvovo in enough space to score the try that ultimately clinched the result, after Zeilinga’s conversion.

Witt the Sharks now more than a score ahead, the Force proceeded to again dominate play and had a late try overruled due to obstruction in the final phase. Kyle Godwin, in the last move of the game, dropped the ball with an open tryline, leaving Luke Burton to convert a penalty at the death to secure a losing bonus point.

For the second week in a row, the Sharks have emerged with 4 points, although this time around we’re not quite sure how.

Sharks (15): Tries SP Marais, Lwazi Mvovo. Conversion Fred Zeilinga. Penalty Zeilinga.
Western Force (9): Penalties Sias Ebersohn (2), Luke Burton.



116 Comments

  • Like the title.

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.03.15 19:03:09 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Considering the rubbish dished up by both sides tonight I’d say it’s the Sharks defense that was the ultimate difference between the two. Congrats on the win Sharks, uglier than a One Direction song but we’ll take it.

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.03.15 19:05:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : Agreed.

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.03.15 19:08:15 by Ben Reply
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  • Who got man of the match? I hope it’s Bothma.

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.03.15 19:09:54 by Ben Reply
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  • 3rd on the overall log…..

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.03.15 19:10:51 by Stu Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 4) : Wouldn’t mind if it went to SP

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.03.15 19:12:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Stu (Comment 5) : But both the Chiefs and Highlanders have more points than us. :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.03.15 19:13:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : That would be my second choice.

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.03.15 19:14:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @Stu (Comment 5) : actually 5th. The Chiefs and Highlanders have more points.

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.03.15 19:17:23 by Feather Reply

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  • and next week we will probably beat the Saders. That’s how we roll……heart attack stuff.

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.03.15 19:18:10 by Stu Reply

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  • Bulls are tearing it up!

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.03.15 19:19:33 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • The Sharks were dreadful.

    I’d usually say “a win is a win” but I said that all of last season, ugly win after ugly win, and look where that eventually got us. No, the Sharks can do much better. We don’t look like winning this competition. Far from it.

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.03.15 19:20:14 by Feather Reply

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  • Let this be the last time the players chose the coaching staff. There is no accountability in this team. We have unfortunately taken one step forward and three steps back. There is no conviction or belief in what the guys are doing on field. Just watching the Bulls, you can see the belief they have in their game plan and go out of their way to execute it. At least when Jake was here the guy also had 100% conviction in their game. I can only imagine how beautiful and well organised we would be had John Mitchell got the job. JS when he realised that a promise had been made to Plum should have redeployed him to forwards coach with Mitchell at the head. We are now paying for JS’s mistakes. Under Gold, I hear that the guys now have 2 to 3 hour working days. Wouldn’t you guys love a job that requires 3 hrs a day from you? Sharks aren’t winning shit this year. Don’t know how long it will take to recover from this disaster.

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.03.15 19:21:16 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • I hope John Smit and friends are watching the bulls game to see what possession can do for them! !!????????

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.03.15 19:21:21 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 9) : Doesn’t matter in this case. Chiefs have more points than the Brumbies too who are second on the combined log.

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.03.15 19:23:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Asked this on the previous thread. We all know Gold can say the right things to the press but is he good enough and strong enough to turn things around and oversee improvement?

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.03.15 19:24:45 by Feather Reply

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  • Gotta love richie McCaw getting robbed of the ball

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.03.15 19:27:32 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : it does matter. It is false to allude we are the third best team due to a third best log placing. Simply not true when there are other teams with more points.

    Besides, and more importantly, we saw last year what value finishing 3rd provides. Very little!

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.03.15 19:27:49 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 18) : Not alluding to anything bud, read into it whatever you like but that’s simply the way the combined log works.

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.03.15 19:32:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • It’s a log system that ignores accumulated points and comes with caveats. Very unique in world sport! Trust the geniuses at SANZAR to come up with it (embarrassingly it was one of SA’s stipulations for each country to be assured of a play off place).

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.03.15 19:38:25 by Feather Reply

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  • Patience, people. Patience. I’m not stoked with the performance either, but give Gold some time.

    That said, I haven’t really enjoyed a Sharks Super Rugby season since Plum was sacked. He kept us at the cutting-edge of rugby thinking and I miss that, but from what I know of Gold, he’s exceptionally tactically astute – it’ll come together.

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.03.15 19:39:43 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 20) : Are you sure? I thought it was one of O’Neill’s “victories” for Australian rugby.

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.03.15 19:42:07 by MerckZ Reply

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  • With Lambie and cobus back next week the backline will do better.Deysel also looked very cautious with the captaincy.He should be more confident next week.At least were still winning.

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.03.15 19:43:31 by tigershark Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 20) : Direct your complaint in writing to SANZAR’s rubbish bin. They’ve dreamt up Super 18 since then. It’s obvious that ridiculous is kind of their thing.

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.03.15 19:45:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 16) : I unfortunately have no confidence in him. When I heard that he was appointed I was very disappointed but hoped that he would lead on Brendan a lot. Does not seem to be happening. What makes me sick are all the errors (knock on’s, forward passes, dropped catches, missed tackles) and lack of conviction, teamwork etc….sad!! How I miss Jake. Flip, how I miss Plum.

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.03.15 19:46:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 22) : yes, the silly rule about each conference winner finishing 1-3 irrespective of points accumulated was a South African demand.

    Unfortunately.

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.03.15 19:47:11 by Feather Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 13) : I agree ,no professionalism nor discipline and worse of all no freaking game plan/tic tacs

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.03.15 19:47:37 by benji Reply
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  • @tigershark (Comment 23) : Really? I thought he communicated well and lead from the front. One of the better players on the day.

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.03.15 19:47:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Who was man of the match people?

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.03.15 19:47:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : Bothma

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.03.15 19:49:35 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 30) : Thanks. :cool:

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.03.15 19:52:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 27) : JM should have been Dir

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.03.15 19:52:02 by benji Reply
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  • If I can take a positive here sp is improving which was a sticky point. Fred should have started in my opinion. But a win still counts. A lot of luck on our side apart from Odwa ‘s slip. Renaldo Bothma played another good one. Steyn more comfortable at center. JP needs to get back to wing no spark at center. I still don’t see the downside of sit hole and steyn at center must be better than we are doing now.

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.03.15 19:53:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 25) : When he was announced (so soon) as coach I was disappointed. I expect big teams like the Sharks to have big name coaches with proven credentials backed up by full trophy cabinets. Only the best will do after careful selection. So Gold has a lot to do to win my full confidence in him. It doesn’t help him that he is big mates with the CEO and some players.

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.03.15 19:54:17 by Feather Reply

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  • Painful to admit, but based on the first half of their game, the Bulls are on another level altogether compared to us.

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.03.15 19:54:33 by Culling Song Reply
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  • News from the Vodacom Cup game.

    FULL TIME

    WESTERN PROVINCE 32 – 12 SHARKS XV

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.03.15 19:58:25 by Ben Reply
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  • :roll:

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.03.15 19:58:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 35) : Their opposition also helps….

    Sharks always suck vs. inferior opponents

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.03.15 20:01:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 28) : He did play well but that first kick for poles was a cautious one and I would have liked him to go for the corner.The sharks had massive momentum and could have scored from the lineout.Frans missed the kick and all momentum was lost.Its wasn’t a mistake just overly cautious!

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.03.15 20:12:34 by tigershark Reply

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  • I wonder if Esterhuizen wont offer us more at 13 than JPP?

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.03.15 20:13:54 by tigershark Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 40) : I hope you’re not serious?

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.03.15 20:17:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 41) : You happy with JP at 13?

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.03.15 20:24:19 by tigershark Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 40) : Esterhuyzen is way too slow for 13.

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.03.15 20:25:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @tigershark (Comment 42) : Sithole is the man. Not Esterhuizen. And to answer your question – no I’m not happy with JPP at 13.

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.03.15 20:26:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @tigershark (Comment 42) : nope. Adds no value. Sithole is your man. How is Paul Jordaan?

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.03.15 20:26:58 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 45) : Rhetorical question? Isn’t he always injured? :roll:

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.03.15 20:28:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 44) : Well I think Esterhuizen does offer a lot on defence and I saw him distribute the ball very silky in that one move.Anyway its just a little wish of mine to see more of him.Sithole not bad either.

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.03.15 20:35:54 by tigershark Reply

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  • Shoot me down I’m sure but I just wonder if the Sharks are better off without Frans Steyn?

    The kid offers nothing these days but a big boot and big defence and frankly I’m sick and tired of the Sharks kicking away prime possession. I can’t abide by the notion of not playing rugby and forcing the opposition to make mistakes – it hardly wins the trophies too.

    I want to see less up and unders and less forward bashing round the fringes or one pass from the base of the ruck (too predictable and easy to defend against). I want to see more creativity and off loads, running off the shoulder, angles, and counter attacking with ball in hand when the ball is turned over and defence not set (not f$#&*ng kicking straight back to the opposition).

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.03.15 20:51:08 by Feather Reply

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  • I think, like many of us suppoters, they thought it would be a walk-over. Hence the lack of accuracy. The defence was excellent, but had to be because we gave away the ball so much through very silly errors. The Bulls showed how to play and we’ll have to seriously step up our consistency and accuracy if we’re to get anywhwre near that SuperRugby trophy.

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.03.15 20:51:36 by T-Shark Reply

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  • With the Bulls beating the Crusaders rather comfortably expect a fully motivated NZ team in Durban next weekend.

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.03.15 20:52:31 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 48) : I like Frans, but his rugby is seriously bland these days….between him and Jannie, I’ve had my fill of Sharks players shouting at the referee.

    Then again, most of our backline looked bland today, except for our back three who seemed to bring spark at times.

    It must be said though, the bulls also looked utter rubbish vs. the Force, yet they managed to beat the Saders quite convincingly…let’s hope the Sharks can do the same.

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.03.15 21:02:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Just got home from the game and read some of the kak here,as if the game wasn’t depressing enough
    When I compare our game to the Lions game yesterday I want to weep.team of nobodys coached by two old Natal rejects playing with freedom and for each other,compared to a team of super stars coached by an expensive cast of thousands playing totally pointless aimless directionless ,selfish rugby.rugby
    At least with Jake we had a game plan we could dislike,under Venter and Gold the game plan seems to be to bore the opposition to death.

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.03.15 21:06:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 51) : Agree for the most Fires, but if Frans did not shout at the ref that try would have been awarded.

    As disappointed as I am in out play, I must add the Force did a lot of spoiling and got away with murder, the taking out of defenders by running in from the side was what the Force did all game long.

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.03.15 21:08:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 48) : I feel exactly the same but its as if coaches hang on to him in hope he will bring them something magical.Its hard to rate the rest of the backline with frans there because he is the cut off point.Nothing happens beyond him.He is the end to anything creative!

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.03.15 21:10:20 by tigershark Reply

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  • Ok I am gonna stop the negatives as I will put it down and use it as an excuse that the whole team played like they had a massive Barbi :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.03.15 21:10:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 53) : True, the refs poor game management was a serious hindering to the flow of the game….and how many “injury” breaks should there be in a game.

    I also believe the Force play their rugby with a “don’t lose” mentality, which makes any game featuring them an absolute snore fest.

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.03.15 21:14:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : yup Agree 100%

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.03.15 21:18:19 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : Nah, the sharks aimless kicking and disrespect for the ball hindered the flow of the game.We should have wiped the floor with these oke’s.

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.03.15 21:20:23 by tigershark Reply

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  • Some postives: How good was SP in this game? Improved kicking, improved decision-making, improved distribution, enterprising attack and really decent positional play. Is this the SP of old? Renaldo Bothma adds value anywhere you stick him in that loose-trio, hard grafter, great carrier and some superb linking play. Can we buy him a surfboard and keep him? From a team perspective there was a great attitude during defense with good discipline throughout the game. Hopefully our coaches can build on this when it comes to attacking play.

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.03.15 23:40:58 by vanmartin Reply
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  • SP Marais and Renaldo Bothma were joint MOTM in my opinion. They both played sublimely. :grin:

    If Bothma isn’t a permanent signing, hurry up and make him one please!! He will be great for the Currie cup too as I’m not sure if Namibia play any test matches during that time? I could be wrong though!

    Ugly win, but we’ll take it. Can’t believe we’re 4th on the log!

    Looking forward to our key players returning for the Crusaders match, they were missed!

  • Comment 60, posted at 29.03.15 01:33:40 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • Sharks supporters need some form of compensation for the pain and suffering endured with this one.What is John Smits contribution to the Sharks thus far, besides receiving a fat salary?

  • Comment 61, posted at 29.03.15 04:28:36 by Baldi Reply

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  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 60) : That’s because we are third. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 29.03.15 06:05:10 by Ben Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 59) :
    Good points. I guess some other positives are that we actually won, and have our Bok half backs and Marcel back for the next 5 games.

  • Comment 63, posted at 29.03.15 07:20:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 60) : Only worry about Bothma is his tackle technique…I don’t know how many guys he tackled around the neck, with a wake-up ref those will be penalties all day long.

  • Comment 64, posted at 29.03.15 07:51:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 64) : He has been doing that since day 1 and the coaches haven’t corrected it.

  • Comment 65, posted at 29.03.15 08:56:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 65) : :roll: We have coaches? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 29.03.15 09:03:04 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I am sooooooo trying to stay positive and only make positive comments lol

  • Comment 67, posted at 29.03.15 09:06:18 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Baldi (Comment 61) : player inflow instead of an exodys would ve a good start.

    No coach can get player to buy into a new game style overnight and i believe were seeing those teething issues.

  • Comment 68, posted at 29.03.15 09:10:19 by byron Reply

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  • Looks like Australia will win another cricket World Cup. NZ bowled out for 183.

  • Comment 69, posted at 29.03.15 09:12:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 68) : True, but last night was not teething boet, just very poor basic play, It is like that had no motivation at all.

    I still maintain we need a Kop Doktor for these blokes, our mental preparations are crap.

  • Comment 70, posted at 29.03.15 09:22:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 70) : Or maybe we just need a 10-12-13 combo with some creativity.

  • Comment 71, posted at 29.03.15 09:27:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 71) : :evil: I knew you would venture down that road?? :mrgreen: :grin:

  • Comment 72, posted at 29.03.15 09:34:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Oh a serious note for me is the concern if Jannie will be able to play against the Saders? he left the field with concussion and I fear he may well have to sit out for this match, if this is the case we in trouble in the scrums, I see people still whine about Jannie but the one thing no one can deny, is that when he plays our scrums are tops.

  • Comment 73, posted at 29.03.15 09:44:36 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 71) : Lol….starts with the basics i.e. holding the ball in both hands and running straight. They get that right then the rest becomes easier. To be honest though, JS screwed up with the appoint of Paul, Brad and Sean. Should have appointed the DOR first and allowed him to pick his own team. As I said yesterday, we are paying for JS’s school boy errors. Another year to go on their contracts. Hope Gary will be allowed to pick his own coaching staff.

  • Comment 74, posted at 29.03.15 10:04:47 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 74) : Of all the shite I have read here that takes the cake.
    Who would you have Gold bring in Alan Solomons,Alistar Coetzee,Zondag.Those for your imformation are the guys he used to coach under.

  • Comment 75, posted at 29.03.15 11:51:04 by The hound Reply
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  • There’s a lot in the last 3 weeks that we have to forget as its too painful for the serious fan. We’re skating by on scraps and what looks to be like a strategy made up on the fly (or the guys on the field just aren’t interested in doing it). Its hard to know where the gap is between what is and what should be. I look at the Lions and they appear to have the recipe right for what makes a team and for the love of all that is sacred, why don’t the Sharks? Too many big name guys and egos? I just don’t know. Nothing in the season so far seems to even vaguely suggest a championship team positioning for the cup. Its very disturbing to have watched a win take place but be disappointed with the win.

  • Comment 76, posted at 29.03.15 12:35:03 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Is Brendon V still assisting the team.He should really spend some time with backs.I just have a feeling that Frans does what he feels like anyway.How can any coach be telling a guy to kick that much.Even when we did send the ball down the backline once it looked very static and predictable.JP got man and ball.

  • Comment 77, posted at 29.03.15 12:44:39 by tigershark Reply

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  • I have to say Rob, your comment about Odwa being hauled in “as is so often the case nowadays” is really harsh. Watch it again, and you will see that the two defenders who tackled Odders were in front of him when he received the ball and turned the corner on Cummins. They did not haul him in, in fact, he seemed to have enough pace to turn the corner on Nic Cummins, one of the better wingers in world rugby now.

    I’m sorry my friend, I expect better, especially after your previous posts and articles on remaining positive. Odders especially has hardly set a foot wrong all season so far.

  • Comment 78, posted at 29.03.15 16:27:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 78) : I agree completely. Despite Odwa having (supposedly) lost pace, his incredible work rate and positional play more than compensates.

    As Sharks supporters, we really need to unite in the quest to denigrate Hoffman, and not waste our negative energy on Odders or SP; they are not deserving recipients :mrgreen:

  • Comment 79, posted at 29.03.15 17:08:38 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 75) : I don’t normally respond to clueless comments but I will make an exception in your case. Let me start by giving you a free lesson in business. First thing people do when appointed to a powerful position in which they will be judged on their results is bring in a team of people that they trust,are technically strong, have a good working relationship and understand each others leadership styles so as to Help him achieve his targets. In our case JS made the appointments before he appointed Jake White and Jake was expected to work with the team. No wonder that relationship failed. Jake wanted to bring Gert Smal as forwards coach – someone he knows and has worked with, and knows that he wont join a player revolt against him. Facts on the table: Brad, Paul were high school and age group level coaches, and Sean was a Vodacom coach before they got this gig. The point is not to criticise the support staff. Question: what major trophies do their CV’s bring? Gary is being judged on the shit display of rugby the Sharks display on the field. Did he chose his own backline, forwards, scrum, ruck and maul coaches? You are the one that is assuming he would appoint Coetzee, Solomons and everyone else. Gary has travelled the world and has worked with different coaches in the past and surely built solid working relations.So you are clueless when it comes to knowing who he would have brought in. Who knows, maybe him and Solomons are best mates and Solomons would love to coach with him. You don’t know and you are not his spokesperson. Fact is, Sean is our backline coach and our centres run with the ball in one hand, crab across the field and are clueless when it comes to creating space for the wings and fullback. Gary is in a difficult position and I doubt he is getting the support from his coaching staff required at this level. This is Super Rugby. It is no learning ground for coaches.

  • Comment 80, posted at 29.03.15 17:28:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 75) : Please check comment 80 for my response.

  • Comment 81, posted at 29.03.15 17:34:41 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 80) : eish very well put but isn’t that the exact same problem The Great White had to accept as well,so then what has been fixed?Clueless ,rudderless from the top down

  • Comment 82, posted at 29.03.15 17:43:06 by benji Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 79) : Yes, I’ve noticed Hoffman is not particularly familiar with the muscle building exercise equipment… :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 83, posted at 29.03.15 18:38:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • So I was at the game, largely enjoyed the day out, but was disappointed with a lot of the play on offer. Our decision-taking and basics were not great, Frans Steyn did not have the hoped for good game at all and there was quite a bit of aimless kicking. But here is the stuff I am really chuffed about:
    - The Scrum…especially that first scrum was a thing of beauty. It was not too far from me and you could see how the guys pulled together as one, dropped low and just shoved the Force clean off the ball. That was great technique clearly trained.
    - SP…he dropped one high ball, but his general play, his positioning, his running with ball in hand was tops. Well done, son…keep it up.
    - Our defence – though we did slip some tackles, our scrambling was good and our defence close in was good.
    - Who would have thought, just three weeks ago, that we would be on top of the conference. I know the others have a game in hand on us, but it’s satisfying nonetheless…
    Now let’s have a goodie against the Crusaders!!

  • Comment 84, posted at 29.03.15 19:13:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 78) : perhaps harsh. You know I dig Odwa and give him major credit for all the amazing defensive and leadership work he does on the field.

    But come on, let’s be fair, when last did he show anyone a clean pair of heels and actually finish a try when he’s got the ball in space?

  • Comment 85, posted at 29.03.15 19:43:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : Round about the time Moses retired?? :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 86, posted at 29.03.15 20:07:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • robdylan (Comment 85) : I am also a big fan but I have to face reality when it comes to the Big O.

  • Comment 87, posted at 29.03.15 20:48:21 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 78) : I just watched it again. McCalman was the guy who brought him down and he turned and hauled Odwa in.

    A loose forward should never be able to catch a winger.

  • Comment 88, posted at 29.03.15 21:10:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 87) : @robdylan (Comment 85) : the Golden Age of Sharks rugby of 2006 to 2009 was and time has caught up with the great players who were part of that era but as is human nature some cannot let go of the past

  • Comment 89, posted at 29.03.15 21:42:47 by benji Reply
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  • I really feel sorry for Gary though but he has himself to blame when it comes to team selection. He is counting on guys that are playing with reputation alone…..Kanko for one.

  • Comment 90, posted at 29.03.15 22:42:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • The real issue regarding Odwa is that his hands often let him down and usually at crucial moments such as when there is an open try line.

    Anyone who denies he has lost pace is in a catatonic state.

  • Comment 91, posted at 29.03.15 23:24:32 by Feather Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 90) : I think the guy playing on reputation the most is fransie.Im a big fan of him but he hasn’t brought anything but ill discipline, useless kicking and zero creativity to the side.If he doesn’t step up against the saders I want to see him benched.

  • Comment 92, posted at 29.03.15 23:38:37 by tigershark Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 92) : That will never happen pal. I feel exactly the same about the man (although I have never been a fan)…but for some reason everyone seems to think he is the 2nd coming of the ‘best inside back South Africa has produced in 20 years’ or some bullshit. They fail to notice his repeated brain-farts, terrible decision making and absolute lack of creativity or consistency….

    Frans Steyn is the Pierre Spies of the Sharks. (Im waiting for the hate on that comment) Is ‘rated’ so highly but in truth is nothing near that level

  • Comment 93, posted at 30.03.15 01:50:02 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 93) : I think SA in general has a huge lack of quality centres.Its a sad situation really.

  • Comment 94, posted at 30.03.15 07:05:30 by tigershark Reply

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  • I had more fun watching the Bulls beat the Saders than I did watching our lot kick and clap to another ugly win.

    fml

  • Comment 95, posted at 30.03.15 07:33:49 by Dryden Reply

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  • A good team has great starters – a great team has good backup players.

  • Comment 96, posted at 30.03.15 07:56:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Is Heimar Williams injured?

    Edit: Never mind – saw he played for the XV

  • Comment 97, posted at 30.03.15 08:19:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 80) : I totally agree, this has been a major issue for me as well, JW and Gold haven’t had the opportunity to bring in their own coaches which for me a a huge tactical mistake by the Sharks CEO.
    Its all a Buddy Buddy thing.

  • Comment 98, posted at 30.03.15 08:24:15 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 93) : I agree he should go play for the Cheetahs so that he can play to his full potential.

  • Comment 99, posted at 30.03.15 08:27:52 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Credit to the Force though, they kept our guys from playing in the red zone by continuously kicking the ball behind our players.

    Sharks kicking game was far less accurate, even though we had a guy with the boot of a donkey, it was mostly aimless dull kicking.

    …and our lineouts killed us. We were more effective on their ball than our own.

  • Comment 100, posted at 30.03.15 08:39:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 100) : Perhaps John needs to take the week off from his CEO duties, and teach our hookers to throw.

  • Comment 101, posted at 30.03.15 08:43:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 101) : Both our hookers making the same mistakes…they can but dream of unseating Bismarck if that is what they have to offer. :roll:

  • Comment 102, posted at 30.03.15 08:56:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 101) : He took a week off 2 weeks ago, but that was to ride his bicycle around the hills and dales of the Boland :mrgreen: with Butchie.

  • Comment 103, posted at 30.03.15 08:58:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Ok, here comes my two cents worth. Saterday’s game was kak. The most boring game since that Sharks/Reds 5-6 game a couple years back. Frans should never have started at 10. Fred and Ungerer should have gotten the starting spots, at least with Fred there the team would have had some direction. From the media box I could not really see what was happening in the scrums, but it looked to me like the ref guessed his way through most of them. With a forward pack as rampant as ours was on saterday, we should have slaughtered the Force. Then if there is one person I would like to take my hat off for, it is SP. He seems to be really working on becoming better, saterday there was no directionless kicks and none of that stupid hop-skip-jump thing he does when trying to run. That try he created was a beauty.

  • Comment 104, posted at 30.03.15 09:01:01 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Lets say this game was played against the Crusaders, same game, same result…would we be looking at it through different eyes and proclaiming a great win? Just wondering.

  • Comment 105, posted at 30.03.15 09:09:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 105) : Yes we would…but that is exactly the problem, Sharks producing the same quality of rugby irrespective of the opposition.

  • Comment 106, posted at 30.03.15 09:12:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 101) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 102) : that’s my main problem with Cooper. Good player but his basics is not up to Super rugby level.

  • Comment 107, posted at 30.03.15 09:21:12 by JD Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 104) : glad to hear SP is improving now if only the rest will follow!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 108, posted at 30.03.15 09:22:38 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 81) : For a guy who purports to know everything you make some very naive statements.Firstly do you honestly think that it is the back line coaches fault if a back line player,playing at super rugby level runs with the ball in one hand and runs sideways across the field.Surely even you know that most primary school players have been taught not to do that.
    Brad and Sean won the Currie Cup in their first season coaching ,or was that Brendan Venter’s achievement.If so then he must also be responsible for the teams current state of play,or is that sole down to Brad and Sean and Paul,
    Paul if ,my memory serves me well was the Bulls under21 coach for a good couple of years,and won more than his fair share of under21 Currie Cups
    Now tell me exactly what has Gary Gold won,as a player as a coach ,as an assistant coach.
    Brad must have played over 50 games for the Sharks,Gary Gold played for who.
    You are a very presumptuous person,you would be very surprised at who you are giving your Economics one lecture to.

  • Comment 109, posted at 30.03.15 09:33:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 109) : If you think BMH swearing in the coaches box brought them the CC in their first year you dreaming. BV ran the show back then.

  • Comment 110, posted at 30.03.15 09:46:21 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 110) : So he’s not running it now
    My point is if you can’t have it both ways.
    When we win it’s always because of Venter,when we lose it’s Brad,Sean and Paul’s fault.
    Is Venter still in charge or isn’t he?
    Because according to that other know it all.Gary Gold can’t do his job because of the incompetents John Smit hired,but according to you they are totally insignificent.
    Which is it?

  • Comment 111, posted at 30.03.15 09:55:41 by The hound Reply
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  • My view on our current rugby… kak… BUT we need to give Gold a chance. He has walked straight into the toughest comp in the world. No time to ease in. His captain is in the worst form of his life and this has a direct inlfluence on his captaincy, which is causing mayhem. I dont know GG, but I sure hope is the team man like Alister, Ackers, etc because the proffesional era has no place for

  • Comment 112, posted at 30.03.15 09:56:06 by catfish Reply
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  • To be cont… hard task masters ( read school teachers) such as JW and JM. Yes, we have prima donnas, but thats everywhere. A gr8 enviroment even changes those ones…

  • Comment 113, posted at 30.03.15 09:58:39 by catfish Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 111) : My point is you cannot appoint a coach and not have him appoint his own coaching staff, this is exactly what happened to JW and Gold. Basically you are forced to work with people who you might not even trust at all, or might not have any respect for. This just creates a bad working environment from the start.

  • Comment 114, posted at 30.03.15 10:32:43 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 109) : I am not going to waste any more of my time on you. Good luck with your views.

  • Comment 115, posted at 30.03.15 12:16:18 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 115) : Pity you probably could learn something.

  • Comment 116, posted at 30.03.15 15:54:48 by The hound Reply
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