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The lessons (I hope) we’ve learned


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 30 Mar 2015 at 11:54
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They always say you learn more from defeat than you do from victory; I for one am rather hopeful that even though the Sharks didn’t actually lose against the Force on Saturday, they’ll have taken the opportunity to learn a few lessons regardless. Here are my top 5.

Cohesion doesn’t “just happen”

To paraphrase Boromir of Gondor, “one does not simply change your hooker and halfbacks and expect everything to continue to work flawlessly”. While it’s tempting to blame individuals for some of the woes (and I’m looking at the lineouts in particular) we need to at least be a little sympathetic to the fact that some of the men brought in have had precious little game time over the last 6 weeks and that some teething problems are perhaps to be expected. The key point here is to make better use of rotation through the campaign so you don’t end up in a situation where a player has to “come in cold”. I’m not saying that individuals are blameless, but it was rather obvious to me that the three main culprits, Kyle Cooper, Conrad Hoffmann and Frans Steyn, were the three guys brought in to replace senior players in key positions.

You’ll play the way you train

There’s simply no way that the fall out from the Chiefs match can not have affected the team during the build up to the Force match. The see-saw ride relating to Frans Steyn’s availability was perhaps the most obvious aspect, but Gary Gold himself admitted that the side had had a disrupted week in training and that is always going to translate into a less than perfect performance on the pitch. The lesson here is to ensure that we don’t end up in that situation again – hey, did anyone notice that we had no cards and no citings after the Force game? That in itself has to count as a positive.

Frans isn’t the answer…

At least, not at flyhalf. His tactical kicking simply isn’t good enough and we’d be foolish to confuse his “big boot” for an educated one. Steyn simply does not have the subtlety or accuracy in his out-of-hand kicking game to be a useful option at flyhalf in the current game plan; nor has he really shown anything with ball in hand to suggest that perhaps he could make it at 10 playing a different type of game. Plenty of people had misgivings ahead of the contest and to this writer, in particular, it was clear as early as the fifth minute of the game that Zeilinga should have been given the berth instead. The Sharks need to rotate Pat Lambie and Fred Zeilinga at pivot and leave Steyn be at inside center.

…But SP may just be

Credit where credit is due, please. SP Marais had a fantastic game at fullback and spared more than a few blushes through solid defensive work at fullback. It was his attacking game that caught the eye, though, scoring his first ever Super Rugby try and then creating another for Lwazi Mvovo quite simply out of nothing. The performance doesn’t erase the mistakes he’s made in the past, but more of the SP we saw on Saturday can only be a good thing for the Sharks. That Renaldo Bothma is the answer isn’t a lesson we needed to learn, of course. The kid has been fantastic all the way through.

It’s time to back youth at 9

The Sharks have at least 3 very good junior scrumhalves (not counting Cobus Reinach) on their books. These players have all shown over the last season or two that they have what it takes to play senior rugby. Conrad Hoffmann, to me, is an experiment that hasn’t worked any better the second time around than it did the first. Please can we shelve it now and rather work on turning Stefan Ungerer into the next Bok scrumhalf? Thank you.



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  • Hear – hear :mrgreen:

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.03.15 12:06:51 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Good points made.Think were going to miss bismarck this weekend. Wonder if deysel will retain the captaincy?

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.03.15 12:09:35 by tigershark Reply

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  • Agree 100% on Hoffman. For all his industry and effort he simply isn’t Superugby material. As always though, I fervently hope he proves me wrong.

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.03.15 12:09:38 by The Quirk Reply
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  • Thank you, and yes. So much YES.

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.03.15 12:16:23 by Another Nick Reply

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  • It wasn’t until the 60th minute that I realized Kankowski was actually on the field an playing… The true invisible man.

    And I’m tired of saying this but JP isn’t a 13s arse. That experiment must surely stop. Play 14 where he’s the best and if he’s got issues then stay in Japan please.

    Off topic but can someone perhaps enlighten me as to how Jesse Kriel slipped through our fingers?

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.03.15 12:17:46 by Dryden Reply

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  • @The Quirk (Comment 3) : Agreed.He doesn’t seem to be as sharp as he should be.How long will it take for him to grow into SR? :grin:
    Agree with all the points made,Rob (we were obviously watching the same game :lol: ). Frans has said he doesn’t like playing FH,so why put him there?Fred is far better as a like for like replacement.I,too,had my reservations about SP,but he has obviously been reading SW & taken note of all the sage advice & constructive criticism handed out to him. :grin: He had the best game I have seen him play in a Sharks jersey. Keep it up,SP.Move JPP to wing or bench him as a backline impact player & use Esterhuisen in his place until Jordaan returns.

    On another topic, I see wunderkind Jan Serfontein is losing a bit of his edge that he showed as a youngster. Just my opinion.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.03.15 12:20:33 by markm Reply

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  • Please and thank you on all raised points

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.03.15 12:23:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 3) : To give the boy his dues he REALLY did try hard

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.03.15 12:30:44 by byron Reply

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  • On another note.frans might still be out for a week or two!

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.03.15 12:30:44 by tigershark Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : they say even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally :)

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.03.15 12:31:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good morning all, I see we are still focussed on the negatives, Boy and Girls for me I have done my bitching but it is time to move on. looking at the possible team for the Saders match unless some are returning from injuries, or got injured as Jannie did and may possibly be out with concussion should look like this.

    Also not saying this is the team I would select but here goes.

    15 SP 2 very good games in a row
    14 Odwa
    13 JpP
    12 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 Lambie
    09 Reinach
    08 Kankowski
    07 Bothma
    06 Marcell
    05 Wentzel
    04 Botha
    03 Jannie
    02 Cooper
    01 Beast

    16 Mondi
    17 Adriaanse
    18 Thomas
    19 Giant
    20 Deysel
    21 Hoffman
    22 Esterhuizen
    23 Murray

    Now not sure if for example Alberts is to return this weekend?? or if Thomas can move to TH? surely he cannot be as bad as Matt at TH?

    This is the team I would select.

    15 SP
    14 JpP
    13 Sbura
    12 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 Lambie
    09 Reinach
    08 Bothma
    07 Alberts
    06 Marcell
    05 Botha
    04 Giant
    03 Jannie
    02 Cooper
    01 Beast

    16 Mondi
    17 Adriaanse
    18 Thomas
    19 Deysel
    20 Kanko
    21 Ungerer
    22 Esterhuizen
    23 Van Tonder

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.03.15 12:36:03 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dryden (Comment 5) : From what i hear it was his choice to study in pretoria and from there he worked his way through the bull structures.

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.03.15 12:36:11 by Dunx Reply

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  • @markm (Comment 6) : I think it is more of a fact of it being coached out of him

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.03.15 12:37:50 by Dunx Reply

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  • Obviously if steyn gets suspended I would replace him with Esterhuizen and bring Fred onto the bench.

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.03.15 12:38:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dryden (Comment 5) : I agree on both points, in fact Kanko has not been on the field for two seasons now.
    My feeling is that all the Japan players are in the same boat, they come back and just not in the same league as what they used to be, they are damaging their reputations big time after playing in Japan, and the Sharks are paying the price for it.

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.03.15 12:40:03 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Dryden (Comment 5) : Simple really, our universities suck, it was not even a choice.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.03.15 12:42:00 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • We could have used one of the Du Preez brothers on the bench to cover lock but Alberts also does that. I am loath to suggest Wentzel as I shudder at what I saw of him last week, standing off every ruck and not competing at all.

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.03.15 12:44:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 16) : that’s not what I heard.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.03.15 12:47:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • I am not suggesting I was told that boet, It just makes sense to go where you can study at a great varsity and at the same time play for a good team.

    But yeah anything is possible, just like we lose a lot of players to the Cape varsities.

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.03.15 12:50:42 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Maybe his parents are Bulls fans like Marcell’s parents :mrgreen: they however just could not convince Marell to move to the Bulls.

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.03.15 12:51:54 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 19) : It is a case of money talks. How else could we have lost talented players where needed most to smaller unions & they are thriving.Look at Redlinghuis,Maks van Dyk (we need both as cover for front row).Gouws went to Griquas. Won’t mention the Cronje boys for fear of recrimination :mrgreen: :lol: Justin Downey & Jean Deysel (coaxed back) went to Japan.The Marais boys went to France.Louis Ludik – the list goes on (oh & of course one of the du Preez went to Province).Why can’t we keep these guys here. I think Fred is loyal enough to stay, but the rest need to be watched.Send Matt back to UK or just open a karaoke bar for him! :grin:

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.03.15 13:07:09 by markm Reply

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  • Top the great surprise of exactly no one, I’ll have a double helping and dessert of the final point in the article…

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.03.15 13:08:41 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Great article Rob!!! Agree (for what it is worth) on nearly all points – I haven’t been following the games closely so I just saw Hoffman start that try down the right flank which was pretty good work – so I can’t judge on his performances.

    Just like to make a point on Kankowski. I know we certainly are not playing to his strengths in any way but the onus is always on the player on the pitch to put in a performance. He needs to go looking for the ball and running hard with the ball like he used to – and by hard I mean at pace, stepping players and offloading and so on.

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.03.15 13:12:24 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 22) : :mrgreen: Did not take much huh? your resistance crumbled :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.03.15 13:13:55 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 12) : Jesse and Daniel were offered a Shite load of money from Bulls, Sharks did not even try and match it (grrr), they had Bull contract from Grd 11 already! Jesse only spent one year out of school in the Bulls structures and then made it into Cc team last year and now SR. Team. I still remember watching him practice in a Sharks jersey, makes me livid every time I now watch a Bulls match!

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.03.15 13:14:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @markm (Comment 21) : Biggest loss for us was some of our Locks and Herbst, a solid TH for fatty Matty :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.03.15 13:15:11 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • We may well see a trio of deysel, bothma and coetzee with kanko on the bench this weekend.I cant see the captaincy going to lambie for a big game like this.

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.03.15 13:16:24 by tigershark Reply

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  • Great article, Rob. I totally agree re scrum halves. It doesn’t matter how hard Hoffman works, He’s ineffective MOST of the time. I prefer the young guys!

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.03.15 13:16:46 by [email protected] Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 17) : ja boet. Drop Marco and let the lineouts call themselves.

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.03.15 13:17:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 20) : Nope they were Sharks supporters :( . If you knew the family they are pretty decent folk ;)

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.03.15 13:19:41 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 24) : What? I didn’t say anything, I was just complimenting the author of the article… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.03.15 13:20:02 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : even better, drop Marco AND Kanko and then intentionally knock the ball on at every lineout to force a scrum. We can mos wins tightheads.

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.03.15 13:22:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : @robdylan (Comment 32) : Shit boet we losing even those with them hahaha, I know I am frustrated, but worry not I know the team I selected is 100% not gonna happen,

    We sure as hell miss PSDT or Lewies. :cry:

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.03.15 13:43:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : :lol: I got some sarcasm out of you :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.03.15 13:43:51 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : :lol:

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.03.15 13:44:09 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 34) : is it really that hard? :)

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.03.15 13:47:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Not really :twisted:

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.03.15 13:48:27 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 30) : They from PMB, That makes them decent folk :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.03.15 13:49:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Great article Rob.

    Have you spoken to John or the coaches about any of this?

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.03.15 14:01:20 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 39) : @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 30) : The bad thing here is “they were” lol

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.03.15 14:05:36 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 39) : I mean getting their views.

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.03.15 14:05:37 by StevieS Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 40) : Lol

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.03.15 14:06:42 by StevieS Reply
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  • Anyone knows when lewies will be back?

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.03.15 14:13:17 by tigershark Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 17) : He was pretty good against the Chiefs though. All over the field – tackling like a man possessed. Perhaps at his age he just does not have two consecutive games in him.

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.03.15 14:26:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @tigershark (Comment 43) : in time to tour, I hope.

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.03.15 14:35:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 44) : I really didn’t think Marco had a bad game

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.03.15 14:36:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Me neither. He was not as busy as the previous week, but then everyone in the pack bar Bothma look pretty lethargic.

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.03.15 14:37:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 44) : Agree, Just irks me when someone does not try, and yes he was very good against the Chiefs, Ok will forgive him this time :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.03.15 14:37:43 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • OK catch up laters, cheers

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.03.15 14:38:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Something is lacking with the Sharks, but I believe we have it in us to turn it around. As long as we keep winning we can still make this a good season.

    I wouldn’t even blame the players. I am very happy with the squad we have. There is a few a prefer over others, but all in all, I feel we have a strong squad of players that should be playing better than we are right now.

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.03.15 14:44:04 by Letgo Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 39) : John gets defensive amazingly fast, mate. I’m not going there.

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.03.15 14:46:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • I really can’t believe that Steyn were that bad at 10. I am not denying that he was, but I can’t believe it.

    I felt Fred and Ungerer should start. That was my feeling from the moment I knew Reinach and Lambie would be rested, but really didn’t think Steyn would be such a massive flop.

    That being said, with the type of game plan we are plying, you really need a guy in the Flyhalf channel who has been practicing his line kicks. Steyn did all the things I would have expected Lambie to do, he just did it badly.

    Maybe that is where one of our biggest problems comes in. The coaches have this one blueprint and they are expecting the team to play to that blueprint and are ignoring individual skills and strengths.

    Why would you put Steyn in the flyhalf channel if you are going to ask him to make delicate kicks all over the field??? Does that sound like Steyn … even a little?

    Why not select Steyn in that channel and have him and Andre run at the flyhalf channel all night. Get go forward and then shift the ball wide from there.

    Zeilinga has a much more accurate boot than Steyn has and if this is what the coaches wanted, then why not select (back) your second flyhalf.

    I know they wanted to give Andre a run, but couldn’t they rest Steyn at some point for that to happen in a future game? They might even have to play without Steyn anyway?

    I would have practiced Zeilinga at 10 with Andre/Steyn at 12, if Steyn was not available, that would have been much less disruptive than asking you bench guy to now step up.

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.03.15 14:53:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 52) : Exactly how I felt.I was screaming last week for zeilinga at 10 and frans to stay at 12.The blame should go to the coaches for getting that one wrong!

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.03.15 15:15:16 by tigershark Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 25) : I think I read it here that the 2 brothers school fees were also paid for by the Bulls, ie they were on the Bulls books a long time before leaving school.

    There is another Kriel playing at MC, is he family?

    Did you renew you season tickets this year?

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.03.15 15:17:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Is Stefan Ungerer not very very slow for a scrumhalf?

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.03.15 15:25:10 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • But anyone is better then Hoffmann.

  • Comment 56, posted at 30.03.15 15:27:06 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 52) : “Why would you put Steyn in the flyhalf channel if you are going to ask him to make delicate kicks all over the field??? Does that sound like Steyn … even a little?

    Why not select Steyn in that channel and have him and Andre run at the flyhalf channel all night. Get go forward and then shift the ball wide from there.”

    you bliksemmed the head right THROUGH the nail with that one.

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) : yes Baby Kriel as we used call him at Merchiston. Vero Good but nonne re nera as Good as his older brothers.

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 58) : I don’t know what is up with my iPad but it’s about to get launched at the wall! That nonsense sentence was meant to read “very good but not nearly as good as his older brothers.”

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.03.15 16:03:17 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • There was a moment on Saturday when Frans picked up a ball on artery line sidestepped a defender and put the ball into touch almost on the opposition 22.
    For that fleeting moment you could see just how good he would have been playing at 15.
    I wish they would play him there for just one game like for instance this week

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.03.15 16:07:08 by The hound Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 58) : Looks like you have the Latin spell checker enabled :lol:

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.03.15 16:10:13 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 55) : Depends who you compare him to, I think all scrumhalves is slow next to Cobus

  • Comment 62, posted at 30.03.15 16:10:29 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : Perhaps wiser not to.

  • Comment 63, posted at 30.03.15 16:17:58 by StevieS Reply
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  • @tigershark (Comment 27) : Why should Lambie not be the captain against the Crusaders? He would have been the captain against the Force if he did not have to be rested …

  • Comment 64, posted at 30.03.15 16:22:11 by swan Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 60) :

    Frans Steyn is a talented footballer, but I think he and his coaches has long since he first started playing lost the idea of what he is actually good at and and how he should be used. Even at 12, they only use him as a crash-baller, when he actually has a surprisingly good step on him.

  • Comment 65, posted at 30.03.15 16:22:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • In reality then, Hoffman only has about 5mins. of average rugby in him per game…I really thought he’d make good on his career second time around, shame on me.

    Ungerer, UNgerer, UNgeRER, uNgErEr, UNGERER…which ever way you want to see it, he has to be Mr. MAIN Backup to Reinach!

    Flippit Smittie, sit jou voet nou bietjie neer asb.

  • Comment 66, posted at 30.03.15 16:39:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @swan (Comment 64) : Because I think he will be nervous as hell and it could affect his game.but thats just what I think????

  • Comment 67, posted at 30.03.15 16:55:33 by tigershark Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 47) : Hi guys. Surely the pack wasn’t the problem on Saturday?! The only problem in the lineouts were the throws, our scrum dominated…but our backs were VERY lethargic (with the exception of SP)…

  • Comment 68, posted at 30.03.15 16:59:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 52) : Hear, hear!

  • Comment 69, posted at 30.03.15 17:03:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 68) : Thing is they had like 68% possession, :roll:

  • Comment 70, posted at 30.03.15 17:26:51 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 68) : The Force made way too many meters with pick and drives around / through the rucks for my liking. We did not really dominate the breakdowns. Our scrum was great.

    The inside backs were poor, but the rest hardly got any ball.

    That said the whole team apart from Bothma and SP were lethargic. Perhaps the Chief’s game took a lot more out of them than we realize.

  • Comment 71, posted at 30.03.15 17:27:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : In German we say: “Sogar ein blindes Huhn findet mal ein Korn” (even a blind chicken sometimes finds a kernel). On that basis my mates and I used to call Morné Steyn “chicken!”
    Nice article…

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 71) : Fair enough…

  • Comment 73, posted at 30.03.15 17:29:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Du Plessis brothers have offered their services to Toulon

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    du plessisThe brothers Bismarck South Africans and Jannie Du Plessis respectively hooker and prop signed a pre-contract with the club Montpellier.

    According to information from Midi Olympique , the two men would now break this pre-contract. The cause? The arrival of Jake White in the MHR.

    Indeed, it is Fabien Galthié in person who convinced the brothers to join Montpellier and the last-would not have enjoyed the arrival of Jake White in the team. Both players have already been trained by the South African manager and do not wish to work with him again.

    Also according to the bi-weekly, Jannie and Bismarck du Plessis have benefited from their match against RCT Mayol to meet President Mourad Boudjellal to offer their services to XV of the Bay.

    For now, the Frenchman staff did not respond to this proposal, but it could in part explain the will of RCT release hooker Craig Burden.

    Also note that according to RMC Sport, the Castrais Brice Mach to be recruited if an amicable agreement were to be found with Craig Burden.

  • Comment 74, posted at 30.03.15 17:30:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • It seems some may have their prayers answered, so no whining when they have left K? :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 75, posted at 30.03.15 17:34:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 74) : Was that article translated to English using Google translate…couldn’t make much of any sense of that tommy-rot :|

  • Comment 76, posted at 30.03.15 18:12:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 75) : Well, before they go, we need to unearth a proper tighthead…and convince Craig Burden to come back here in a straight swop…

  • Comment 77, posted at 30.03.15 18:13:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 77) : Bring back Burden and Herbst :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 30.03.15 18:18:55 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 75) : is there a fund I can contribute to?

  • Comment 79, posted at 30.03.15 18:19:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 77) : Yes lol

  • Comment 80, posted at 30.03.15 18:19:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : To keep them here or help pay to make sure they leave??????? :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 81, posted at 30.03.15 18:21:19 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 81) : what’s your guess? :)

  • Comment 82, posted at 30.03.15 19:16:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : :cool: I am neutral on this one :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 83, posted at 30.03.15 19:54:03 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) :
    Aren’t you a well spring of positivity today

  • Comment 84, posted at 30.03.15 20:06:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 83) : Sorry you can’t be neutral on this,you either for it as soon as possible or totally against it.
    I for one think these guys are phenomenal players,but they are totally disruptive human beings.
    They are the kind of people that are a law unto themselves and must be a coaches nightmare.
    My feeling is that they are going to go so why not now,lets move on and find out what life is without them.
    Bring back Craig Burden,and use Jannie’s copious salary to buy another Thomas du Toit

  • Comment 85, posted at 30.03.15 20:11:56 by The hound Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 84) : plus ca change?

  • Comment 86, posted at 30.03.15 20:33:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 85) : See Hound this is where me and you Differ, I believe in freedom of speech and if that means I say nothing? or I sit on the fence? or I throw my toys out of the Cot? so be it, but I also believe in staying calm as far as possible.

    Yes I know you want to sell them all and fire the lot and so on and so on…..

    But we are half way through the SR season and actually in a fairly ok position, so pray tell why on earth should we at the time go and throw everything into disarray? why not use common sense and wait it out?

    Are you that short cited that you cannot se that even with disruptions these 2 are still far better than any other in their positions in the squad? did you watch this past weekend how we struggled to find our jumpers? hell my friend it should never be about whether you like a player or not, DO NOT GET SO PERSONAL.

    I guess you manage a business with anger? your child messes up you chase him out of your home?

    Sometimes you have to Manage a player and that’s what the coaching staff should do, because my friend whether you want to accept it or not???????????? Bismark and Jannie with all their faults are still the best in their respective positions in this country.

  • Comment 87, posted at 30.03.15 21:23:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • So if I want to stay neutral I will, I never said I was or was not how ever, I was joking with Rob who seemed to be on the same page as me, you however Mr Hound need to relax because I can tell you now that until the end of the year those 2 brothers will not be leaving, GET USED TO IT ;-)

  • Comment 88, posted at 30.03.15 21:25:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Afrikaans saying that is so fitting for this current discussion is so good, ” N hastige hond verbrand sy mond”

  • Comment 89, posted at 30.03.15 21:27:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : Any chance of finding out if Thomas will be tried at TH or even any consideration of it?

    Man I shudder to this what will happen if Jannie cannot play this weekend? and no doubt against the Saders? Matt will become headless for sure, as it will be plugged up his rear end :lol:

    One thing is for sure? Thomas had a cracker vs the Saders last year where he had that same Saders front row in turbo reverse.

  • Comment 90, posted at 30.03.15 21:38:19 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Anyone have Wiehann Herbst’s cell no?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 91, posted at 30.03.15 21:39:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • The DHL Stormers team to face the Hurricanes (away) is as follows:
    15. Cheslin Kolbe
    14. Kobus van Wyk
    13. Juan de Jongh (vice-captain)
    12. Damian de Allende
    11. Dillyn Leyds
    10. Demetri Catrakilis
    9. Nic Groom
    8. Duane Vermeulen (captain)
    7. Schalk Burger
    6. Siya Kolisi (50th cap for DHL Stormers)
    5. Manuel Carizza
    4. Eben Etzebeth
    3. Vincent Koch
    2. Scarra Ntubeni
    1. Steven Kitshoff
    Replacements:
    16. Bongi Mbonambi
    17. Oli Kebble
    18. Frans Malherbe
    19. Ruan Botha
    20. Michael Rhodes
    21. Louis Schreuder
    22. Kurt Coleman
    23. Huw Jones
    Referee: Rohan Hoffmann (Australia)
    Assistant referees: Kane McBride (New Zealand), Mike Lash (New Zealand)
    TMO: Chris Wratt (New Zealand)

  • Comment 92, posted at 31.03.15 08:45:53 by grant10 Reply

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  • I would have Rhodes starting with Schalk off bench….

    Pat Howard in place of Leyds

    Carizza at 4, Ruan Botha at 5 and Etsebeth off bench

    And actively search for a world class opensider, 9 and 10…..but our next coach will hopefully see that glaring defect in the set up….

  • Comment 93, posted at 31.03.15 08:48:09 by grant10 Reply

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  • Happy Birthday to ChrisS. Hope you have a good one.

  • Comment 94, posted at 31.03.15 09:01:47 by StevieS Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 90) : there are thoughts about Thomas at 3. He played there at school.

    Not sure how advanced or practical those plans are. I would imagine that throwing him in at 3 in a super Rugby game against the Crusaders wouldn’t be on the agenda.

  • Comment 95, posted at 31.03.15 09:14:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : We don’t really need him at 3 atm, between jannie and Lourens,we are okay. Mat stevens can warm the bench wheb jannie needs to be rested ;)
    They should only start experimenting with him at 3 during the cc, will give him a few weeks against weaker teams to see if he has what it takes. But then again, we move a future no1 springbok to TH…here is hoping for a bit of luck and we sign another young player that is great at TH…and then we try and keep him here…

  • Comment 96, posted at 31.03.15 09:26:15 by HeinF Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : I understand boet, but I meant as a sub, I just cant see him being any worse than Matt @3, but I also agree with you re the risk.

  • Comment 97, posted at 31.03.15 14:03:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Very good points in this article, Rob.

  • Comment 98, posted at 01.04.15 20:17:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : I also don’t think Marco had a bad game…Kanko also made several contribution that I could see. Cooper needs to lift his game, especially in terms of throwing in at lineout time…

  • Comment 99, posted at 01.04.15 20:19:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Completely agree with this article, especially the Frans at 10 part.

  • Comment 100, posted at 02.04.15 18:03:21 by Ben Reply
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