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Sevens weeks for Jean Deysel


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 7 Apr 2015 at 09:44
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Jean Deysel has been banned from all rugby for seven weeks. The full text of the hearing follows.

In the ruling, mention is made of a personal situation affecting Deysel and his family. I am aware of this situation but not at liberty to disclose its nature. I would urge you all to respect Jean and his family’s privacy and consider the love we bear this player before spewing anger in the comments.

The SANZAR Duty Judicial Officer Nicholas Davidson QC has accepted a guilty plea from Jean Deysel of the Sharks for contravening Law 10.4 (a) Punching or striking, after he was sent off following a Super Rugby match at the weekend.

Deysel has been suspended from all forms of the game for seven weeks up to and including Saturday 23 May 2015.

The incident occurred in the 42nd minute of the match between the Sharks and Crusaders played at Growthpoint KINGS PARK in Durban on 4 April 2015.

SANZAR Duty Judicial Officer Nicholas Davidson QC assessed the case.

In his finding, Davidson ruled the following:

“Video footage provided clear evidence that Jean Deysel was engaged at the breakdown when he jumped up then brought his right knee down on the side of Matt Todd’s head while he lay on the ground.

“While Todd was fortunately not injured, the act carried real potential for injury and Todd was in a vulnerable position. The breach of Law 10.4 (a) required a mid-range entry point which carries an eight-week suspension.

“I added an additional week for Deysel’s recent offending as an aggravating factor. He was suspended for three weeks for foul play last Super Rugby season. I then addressed mitigating personal circumstances and the discount available for an admitted breach, not that there was any defence for his actions.

“Deysel, to his credit, did not seek to minimise his actions. He said he was deeply ashamed and that his actions were against everything he stands for, despite his earlier breaches. He could only refer to his emotional and irrational response when frustrated at the breakdown, and he asked himself why he acted in such an extreme manner.

“After my preliminary considerations, I was advised of an off-field mitigating circumstance which may in rare circumstances be brought to account under Regulation 17. In this case, there are truly exceptional circumstances associated with the health of his immediate family which must bear on his state of mind, and go some way to explain his irrational actions. This is not an excuse but a basis to exercise some small leniency in the sanction applied.

“A discount was applied due to these mitigating factors. I took into account that the Sharks have a bye in Round 11, in effect making this a six-match sanction. Therefore, the player is suspended from all forms of rugby up to and including Saturday 23 May 2015.”

All SANZAR disciplinary matters are in the first instance referred to a Duty Judicial Officer hearing to provide the option of expediting the judicial process.

For a matter to be dispensed with at this hearing, the person appearing must plead guilty and accept the penalty offered by the DJO.



42 Comments

  • Deservedly so

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.04.15 09:47:16 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Well no surprises there to be honest. Lekker rus Jean..
    Do these rugby players get paid even when suspended/banned?

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.04.15 09:47:25 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Wtf was he thinking…

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.04.15 09:54:58 by The Quirk Reply
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  • What the he’ll was he thinking??

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.04.15 09:55:27 by The Quirk Reply
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  • What the hell was he thinking??

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.04.15 09:55:47 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 3) : He wasn’t thinking.

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.04.15 09:56:05 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • If something off field is so bad it makes him knee a guy in the head on field, then he shouldn’t have been playing at all.

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.04.15 09:59:11 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I’d delete my duplicated comments if I could, kept getting error messages so tried again, and again…

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.04.15 09:59:31 by The Quirk Reply
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  • I guess the kiwi masters will be most satisfied by this. :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.04.15 10:01:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Yeah well. Par for the course of late.

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.04.15 10:02:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 8) : I get errors to when trying to post on my phone using Mobile data, I have just come to realize now that ever when it says error, it has in fact still posted :) .

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.04.15 10:04:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Sigh.

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.04.15 10:13:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 8) : sorry, had a bit of a blip there.

    Site is busier than normal today…. wonder why

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.04.15 10:14:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Perhaps the suspension is a blessing in disguise and allows Jean some time to spend with the family member mentioned in the release.

    No disrespect to Matt Todd intended with the above comment by the way, I’m just trying to see the silver lining here.

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.04.15 10:15:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Just goes to show…nobody actually works at work anymore.

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.04.15 10:19:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • My view for what its worth is that JD is no thug,never was never will be,its that pre his serious leg injury he was a seriously good player I always enjoyed watching him knock those Bullarinas over like skittles,but post injury and like most players in his position ,they are never the same ,not on the level they where,this leads to frustration and hence these incidents,the body is fixed but the mind is not,he needs to see a kop doctor and get back to the player he was

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.04.15 10:20:52 by benji Reply
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  • Well, even with personal circumstances, I still believe that anyone (whether they are a rugby player or a desk clerk) should be able to carry out their jobs in a sound, professional manner and if not, then request special leave.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.04.15 10:21:29 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • Firsty, Hika Elliot aimed his shoulder at a players head in a vulnerable position. He got 1 week, but I see now that the entry level should be 8 weeks. I still question the sanctions given to NZ and Aus players.

    I think the sanctions on all SA players could well be seen as fair, but not in comparison to these two countries and feel something needs to be done about it urgently.

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.04.15 10:42:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • Secondly, I would hardly call any rugby player a thug. Some has a few more issues with anger and lashing out, but I think in the heat of the battle and with some player putting all their emotions into their play, it is hardly surprising when a few acts of bad judgements happen on a rugby field.

    They should take the punishment like a man and take the time to work on themselves. No one is perfect.

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.04.15 10:45:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • AI Jean! Personal circumstances is a lot of people’s downfall, profeseional atheletes are no different. They also have feelings like you and me.

    @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 17) : Agree with the request for special leave though.

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.04.15 10:48:14 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Rob, Any breakdown on all the current player situation possible? :cool:

    Injury / suspension etc…

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.04.15 10:50:03 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • And thirdly, I was just as upset with Jean as I was with Bissie. They cost the team dearly. Maybe Jean more so than Bissie. We were sitting on a penalty and hoping to drive that 3 man advantage home and hopefully cut the lead to 18 points just before half time. I really thought that we could score in that moment before half time and felt that it could have been a great mental boost for a possible turn around. I think that send of and the fact that we lost possession and that last opportunity before half time completely broke the guys spirit.

    I’m glad that people aren’t saying Deysel isn’t a team man for doing this, but a bit confused as to how this is any different from what Bissie did, with a public apology at that.

    And that’s all I have to say about this issue.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.04.15 10:50:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 21) : I’ll try collect it all together and do a piece tomorrow.

    It’s pretty dire

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.04.15 10:51:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : I get where you are coming – there are clearly different, more rabid feelings and sentiments expressed to the du Plessis’ and Francois Steyn. Maar nou ja.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.04.15 11:03:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : Look I love your passion and dedication to the Sharks,every time they piss on the jersey in public they piss on fans like you.
    Further to your point Horwill gets his seconded of the season for punch to the head,and he gets one week.

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.04.15 11:05:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) : It’s the constant tantrums from those three that gets on my nerves…and constant running arguments with the referee.

    Same with Willie le Roux…no yellow or red cards, not any foul play – but those damned tantrums :x

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.04.15 11:08:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I also just had something to say about 1052 – the year the Sharks had to go back to to find the play-scrolls for their current gameplan.

    It was about time. We needed this. We have been playing poorly all season and have just clung onto the comfort of a few undeserved/lucky wins.

    We seriously need to have a look at our game plan or lack thereof. The guys seem rudderless and aimless on the park. The bigger guys just seem to put their heads down ans still try to make some meters, but all of them are still doing it from a standing start. It’s woeful and lets be honest it has been from game one, and finally someone taught us the lesson we needed.

    We still kick without thinking, but that is but only one of our problems, we also look clueless when we do try to play the ball. No wonder we just kick and hope.

    There was a stage during this match that the Sharks had a scrum 5 meters from their own 22, 10 meters out from touch (I think it was from a knock at a lineout).

    We had Dagg and the two Crusaders wings standing back, licking their lips for the next kick down their throats and only their 10,12,13 defending the line.

    We had Lambie, Andre, Waylon, SP and Odwa for a 5 on 3, with Lwazi standing behind the scrum that could also have moved into the line and Ryan and Cobus who could have played it of the back of the scrum. That creates an 8 on 3 situation.

    Surely we would have been able to run it at least as far as we could kick it and set-up some gone front foot phase ball to continue an attack? In fact, in this instance, Lambie was actually charged down, so really, I rest my case.

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.04.15 11:11:54 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 27) : Even in yesterday’s club final, I saw a tight head prop in the backline, passing the ball back to his inside to a backline player, who subsequently hit the gap.

    Serious skills on display during that club game – more than I’ve seen during the past two years from the Sharks. :shock:

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.04.15 11:16:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • We’ll get through this and I will support the boys and the coaching management team until they do (I think the coaching though need to step it up, otherwise we might see another coaching team coaching the Sharks as soon as the Currie Cup – I also question whether there is enough experience).

    I’m very disappointed, but don’t see the point in slating the boys now. They know they need to step it up. I’ll try to make only positive comments during this dark time for the Sharks, some of those positive comments will also be criticism, but I’m hoping that if they can’t figure it out, if social media points it out to them, that they will pick up on it.

    Look at the Stormers for example, they lost this weekend, but I thought they played beautifully, while lacking a few smart and cool heads to pull them through. They are always running onto the ball, always play with forward momentum, always have a man in support to ofload to. A few simple things that the Sharks just aren’t doing at the moment.

    Black and White, nothing else Matters!

    Sharks forever.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.04.15 11:19:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 26) : Maybe they will argue that that is their way of showing their passion for their team – something that many are saying this team does not have. It bugs the living daylights out of me as well but can surely not be the reason for the difference in attitude to them.

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.04.15 11:43:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 30) : Disrespecting the referee is not passion.

    Playing for your team and for your team mates is passion…none of the Sharks are playing for each other – that is most evident when one of them make an individual mistake, they don’t pull together as a team and support each other, they just drop their heads.

    In essence, it’s 2010 all over again.

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.04.15 11:49:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • 16 weeks in collection for banned players, that is unacceptable. Sure, there is major criticism at SANZAR for the judiciary process, but the best way to avoid “jail time” is to not commit a crime. Yellow cards for infringements are unavoidable, but thuggery is not acceptable. Its difficult to feel for Jean Deysel when this time last year he got a red card against the same opposition. He is not a dirty player by any means, but he is now becoming a liability. He spends more time on the sidelines than most players because of injury and now adds to that with foul play. If he needed compassionate leave, then by all means request it, or ask to take a leave of absence and resign from your contract. The milk is spilled and the damage is done and another disappointing season for Deysel in the Sharks jersey looms. When the team needed him to stand up, he didn’t. Regardless of his rallying cries to his team mates in the huddle, you still need to lead by example. Lost a lot of respect for Bismarck and Deysel this season.

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.04.15 11:59:02 by Richard Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) : Agreed, the changeroom is a mess I am sure, makes me think of the movie “Any Given Sunday” – the senior players are all ego, and no passion, and any passion is about self gain (the movie).

    That said, one gets the feeling that the Sharks camp is not a lekker place to be, its like Survivor out there, and every man is for himself.

    I almost want to say we are not a team.

    We don’t have the leadership to control the million dollar club, the coach and his stooges don’t call the shots.

    Made me sick to my stomach when Matt Pearce said The Sharks had a fun and relaxing week in build up to the Crusaders match.

    I am going to stop there before I launch a tirade on the players and staff.

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.04.15 12:03:46 by Richard Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) :

    I dont want to talk about 2010 please ..

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.04.15 12:07:14 by Zibbie Reply
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  • If “there are truly exceptional circumstances associated with the health of his immediate family which must bear on his state of mind, and go some way to explain his irrational actions” then why the hell did he take the field to go on a rampage?

    Sometimes the stupidity of SA rugby baffles me.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.04.15 12:44:25 by Feather Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) :
    This is true.

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.04.15 12:53:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Sigh, sigh, sigh. I have absolutely no problem with this ban. He deserves it…

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.04.15 13:06:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 37) : @The hound (Comment 25) : I do have a problem with Horwill’s second offence in a couple of weeks only ending in a one week ban…

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.04.15 13:07:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 38) : Second red

    .“I added an additional week for Deysel’s recent offending as an aggravating factor. He was suspended for three weeks for foul play last Super Rugby season.”

    So where is Horwill ‘s extra week for his much more recent offence

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.04.15 13:13:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 39) : Absolutely…

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.04.15 13:17:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Why is it always 10.4?

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.04.15 16:28:53 by David12246 Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 16) : Used to get annoyed that JD would lose the ball in contact so often. Last year or the year before, he was really good. his ball retention in contact was better. Alas, the “physical” expectation created has maybe resulted in him crossing the line.

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.04.15 23:07:52 by KingCheetah Reply

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