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Swiel off for good


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 8 Apr 2015 at 11:36
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In news that is unlikely to really surprise anyone, Tim Swiel has opted to join Harlequins full-time from the start of the new European season.

Former Western Province age-group star Swiel was signed by Jake White with much fanfare ahead of the 2014 Super Rugby season, but rather than delivering further on that promise, endured a frustrating ten months in Durban. Beset by injury and unable to nail down a regular starting berth, it was a frustrated young men who left for the UK in October last year to join Quins on a loan basis. The idea was to let him finally get some game time under his belt and build up a head of steam before returning for this year’s Super Rugby campaign.

For Swiel, who is English-qualified, the lure of playing for the country of his birth was always going to be a factor and this, coupled with his immediate “fit” into the Harlequins set up and game plan seem to have signaled the death knell to his Sharks ambitions. Originally slated to return to the Sharks in time for the Super Rugby competition, there has been no sign of Swiel in Durban; most fans jump to conclusions in the absence of information and in this case, I guess we’ve got it pretty much right.

“It is with great excitement that I am committing to Harlequins full time. The decision wasn’t a tricky one due to the fact I had such a great time on my loan spell. The Harlequins set up and supporter base is amazing and I can’t wait to wear the quarters again,” says Swiel on the Premiership Rugby website.

Glad to know that it wasn’t hard for him to leave the Sharks – nor is there any need to thank them for agreeing to release him early from his contract. It’s not clear what Tim will do for his remaining time as a Sharks player – clearly pitching up at practice is not on the immediate agenda.



108 Comments

  • Yay! We don’t need him anyways. He can’t tackle or defend. His running is not what all the hype makes him to be his kicking is nothing special and he probably would be depriving good and loyal players like Fred Zeilinga from a spot. His whole move to the sharks was a JW favour to his buddies move if you ask me.

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.04.15 11:46:20 by coolfusion Reply
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  • Well bye I guess.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.04.15 11:46:33 by Seth101 Reply
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  • thought so

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.04.15 11:46:35 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • No great loss, bloke looked a deer in the headlights when he got game time, and tackling wasn’t a strong point of his. Personally only want players who WANT to play for the sharks..

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.04.15 11:46:52 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • That means Innocent Radebe has just moved up a spot in the pecking order which is good news in my opinion.

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.04.15 11:47:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • To think we swapped Robert du Preez for Tim Swiel?

    What was Sharks management thinking in allowing this deal to go down?

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.04.15 11:48:02 by jonnow Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 1) : i dont know man, I reckon we might hear that name a lot more in the future. He was very young when he was here

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.04.15 11:48:11 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Him choosing to not play for SA U20 team was a give away as to where his loyalties lie anyway

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.04.15 11:49:01 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 6) : To think we “didn’t have money” to pay for John Mitchell but we could afford salaries for Gary Gold, Matt Stevens and Waylon Murray wouldn’t all our bad and ineffectual purchases have paid for Mitchell if we added just 2 or 3 of those salaries together?

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.04.15 11:51:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 6) : Oh and if we kept du preez we would have had options at 15 and center apart from FH. JW orchestrated the Tim Swiel move thanks Jake….

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.04.15 11:53:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Where’s Saffex? I’m sure he’ll be heartbroken!

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.04.15 11:54:40 by David12246 Reply

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  • Glad to know that it wasn’t hard for him to leave the Sharks – nor is there any need to thank them for agreeing to release him early from his contract.

    The comments above illustrate why there was no need.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.04.15 11:55:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) : Holy crap lay off the new coach. He’s been here for barely two months. Yes we did bomb spectacularly this past weekend, but that has been coming for quite a while now. Give gold his chance to show what he can do.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.04.15 11:58:52 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Go well Swiel, hope you kill it in the UK!

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.04.15 11:59:40 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) :

    Trust me . you guys dont need John Mitchell . he will maybe survive a year but not much longer than that . rather make a long term investment in a coach

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.04.15 12:05:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 13) : This past weekend? Really where have you been all super rugby season? The only good game we had so far was the Cheetahs game and even that was not spectacular. This is not a one match problem.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.04.15 12:09:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 15) : I think Mitchel could have lasted. But even if didn’t at least he would have laid a good foundation for the successor. So far since JW we have had a care taker (BMH) and a non-performer (Gold). I would have rather spent that year and a half with Mitchell.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.04.15 12:11:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 12) : Huh? Are you saying that it would only be necessary and decent to thank your current Union for an early release when all its fans are unanimous in their sadness to see you go? :shock:

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.04.15 12:14:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Some really bitter reactions here. Swiel didn’t get much chance to shine, and he showed plenty of potential as a junior. Time will tell if he ever lives up to that.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.04.15 12:15:09 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Do we get a refund for Swiel?

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.04.15 12:15:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Cheers Tim. Sorry it didnt work out here. Good luck over there…

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.04.15 12:15:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 18) : You should know by now his comments are all thinly veiled to illustrate what a terrible union fan base and collection of players the sharks are. I honestly have never seen him defend or be positive about the sharks. revelling in everything negative to affect the sharks. Thats his game.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.04.15 12:19:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 22) : It’s just better than average trolling. Vinnie is not such a bad guy, engage him properly and you’ll find he has some valuable input regarding the Sharks to share from a slightly more objective point of view than we can manage at times.

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.04.15 12:29:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) : Yeah, that is exciting.

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.04.15 12:33:30 by Letgo Reply
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  • @jonnow (Comment 6) : That is a bummer.

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.04.15 12:35:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 18) :

    I’m not personally making any judgement on whether he should’ve said thank you.
    I’m just illustrating why he probably didnt.
    The kid got f*cked around, was playing in an obviously unhappy environment and seems to just be happy to be free and able to actually take the field of play again.

    He’s obviously moved on and put this unhappiness behind him.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.04.15 12:35:43 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 23) :

    Ah mate. Gimme a hug!!

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.04.15 12:36:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Typical Pom. :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.04.15 12:36:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 22) :

    Thats only because youve only been around for a short amount of time.
    And there’s been very little to be positive about of late.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.04.15 12:36:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 28) :

    Hehehehehe. Touche.

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.04.15 12:37:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • You’d love this Salmo – i was waiting for my takeaway yesterday in the fish and chips shop and i picked up a local newspaper.

    Next to an article about cricket (how Nick Compton was stitched up by England) was a full column discussing the recent chess results.

    It was too funny. I’d post a pic here if i knew how.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.04.15 12:38:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 22) : There was that one time he… but then he… he must have… Oh wait, you’re right, he just trolls here and causes kak lol

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.04.15 12:40:48 by StevieS Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 31) : Have to admit you’re objective, but you do push for the reactions haha

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.04.15 12:42:08 by StevieS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 23) : No thanks. I see no objectivity in his comments its consistently one sided. Case in point: The comment by the author (the one he quoted) and subsequent comments by everyone on here (even the negative ones against swiel) were made today. Long AFTER Swiel already decided to leave, not that any player let alone Swiel has ever done a survey on a blog or among the fan base to see if he is well liked enough and let this in any way influence his decisions. So his comment implies that our negative reception of Swiel is one of the causes he is leaving even if these reactions only occurred after the fact?
    So his comment was pointless and stupid with 0 percent objectivity, which in my opinion is a trend for him.

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.04.15 12:44:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 33) :

    I certainly do mate.
    I’m like an opposing captain prodding Bismarck… lol

    The moment you lose your coool youve lost.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.04.15 12:46:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 27) : Now don’t you go all mushy on me!

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.04.15 12:47:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 34) :

    Thanks for the compliment bro!

    BTW – congrats on your ability to comprehend. Given thats not what i said at all.
    I commented on why he didnt thank the union, not why he left.

    But then why let facts spoil your elevated opinion of me.
    Just know that i know you cant read properly…

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.04.15 12:49:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 31) : Awww your just having me on, I have long ago gathered from your posts that you are a highly educated individual who throws big words around so Im certain you know how to take a pic. If you battle, hold the article over your face and make as if you are taking another selfie.

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.04.15 12:52:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 34) : No prob, just a suggestion for less stressful reading on Sharksworld. Just be glad you’re not dealing with Megatron. Vinnie may grow bored with a topic after a while but Megatron had Marcell Coetzee-like endurance and also happened to be a walking/talking rugby encyclopedia. Good times.

    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 38) : If I was drinking coffee it’d be all over the keyboard after that last sentence :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.04.15 12:56:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Ok Smitty, now with the money that Quins have paid for his early release you can start on your moves of getting Robert du Preez back.

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.04.15 12:57:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 38) :
    :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.04.15 12:58:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 39) : ;-)

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.04.15 12:58:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 40) :

    Hasn’t he signed a 3 year deal at WP?

    You should try to hang onto his younger brothers. Theyre supposedly the real deal.

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.04.15 13:00:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 39) : What happened to Megatron, was he banned or did just move on. I somehow imagined that he would always be around here while his cousin / nephew, Sbura was at the Sharks.

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.04.15 13:08:37 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 43) : Yes he is signed and sealed at the Stormers. Id like to see him playing outside Lambie. He is a big strong lad that also distrubutes really well.

    His brothers were real standout players at junior level so am hoping for big things from them.

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.04.15 13:15:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) : he definitely wasn’t banned. I keep trying to get him back but he won’t come.

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.04.15 13:16:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) : Moved on I guess. He posted the occasional comment last year. Have yet to see him around this year.

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.04.15 13:17:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    Any chance you could get St Michel back? ;-)

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.04.15 13:19:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) :

    But what about Fransie Steyn? #heresy

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.04.15 13:20:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Overhyped,overrated ,cost the Sharks three games last year,no loss,bye

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.04.15 13:33:28 by benji Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 38) :
    Comment of the year so far! :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.04.15 13:45:11 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 51) : :mrgreen: thank you.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.04.15 14:02:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 16) : Hey we aren’t looking settled, but we aren’t totally horrid so far. There has been positive signs. Except for the past weekend. Anybody following the White shitshow was going to have a hard time of it, so give Gold more than two months to try and sort shit out.

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.04.15 14:12:16 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Sharks player movements haven’t made much sense for a while. Swiel is a talented kid, who has, by all accounts, been pretty successful at Harlequins. Where was the urgency to get him back and playing in Durban? What cover do the Sharks have after Fred Z?

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.04.15 14:26:03 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : So you still have contact with him, thats good.

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.04.15 14:37:37 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 54) : Lionel Cronje

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.04.15 14:38:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 49) : Well if he was at the Sharks then you would be loving us and there would be no need for Frans to be in the team.

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.04.15 14:41:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 56) : Lionel reminds me of Gaffie du Toit. Has all the tools to be a brilliant rugby player except the right attitude…

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.04.15 14:43:17 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 58) : I’d still prefer him over Swiel any day.

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.04.15 14:44:06 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Good luck in your future endeavours Tim.

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.04.15 16:06:35 by Ben Reply
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  • I think the point Vinnie is trying to make (and all good sauce needs a little stirring ;-) ) is that the Sharks are no longer the preferred destination for professional rugby players in SA. There was a reason players like the duPlessis brothers, Frans Steyn, Willem Alberts, etc came to the Sharks AND made it their home AND became dedicated Sharks; and that is because it was the best place to play rugby. Besides the weather and the beaches, it was a fun place to play rugby, the style was enjoyable to the players, and it was a happy family environment. We only have to look back to the stories that we always heard about the Sharks players while on tour. They were a happy bunch and a family. I’m afraid that aura started being stripped away Plum’s last year, and during the JW era. These guys are not happy, and they are not a family. Swiel leaving and not feeling the need to look back, is only symptomatic of the deeper problem. We will lose more players, and we will not be able to attract players from outside the province unless something drastic changes. My opinion anyway, and said in a way meant not to stir. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.04.15 16:45:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 61) : Furthermore, it looks to me like the players feel like the world is on their shoulders, there is so much pressure to perform. Each mistake brings a visible response of disgust from the player. When a try is scored, there is more a sense of relief than celebration, same thing with a win. If something does not change quickly, this tour is going to suck for the Sharks, even if they manage to scrape a few wins together, if they remain under this kind of pressure, they will implode at some point, it just can not go on like this.

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.04.15 18:13:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 61) : Look I think you have a rather simplistic view of the situation.
    I look at a kid like Swiel,he was on a hiding to nothing here,brought in by White,promoted by White probably too early ,then abandoned by White.
    if he stuck around he would have been in an environment where he was never going to be more than number 4.
    He goes to Quins gets a regular first team start and earns pounds.He is young and maybe,just maybe he could one day play for England.
    The key thing here is if you went back ten years,maybe five,the only thing to aim for in rugby was an International jersey.
    That has changed now there are other options,some in Euro’s,some in Aussie Dollars,some in Pounds.Most of these are more attractive than anything that comes attached to rands,no matter how much sand,sun and surf you add to it.

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.04.15 18:28:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 62) : Fully agree.

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.04.15 18:28:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 63) : Plus the Japanese Yen.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.04.15 18:32:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 65) : That too,not quite got round to Thai Bhats yet,

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.04.15 18:36:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 63) : I don’t disagree, my point is what the Sharks offered before as a real alternative to those options you mentioned is just not there anymore. Some players have reasons for wanting to stay in SA. I have been a Natal Rugby supporter since the days of Tommy Bedford, nobody wanted to play in Durban back then, they did something to turn that around, to the point in the 1990s and 2000s it was the most desirable place to play in SA, and they even managed some big name international signings (most not successful :lol: ) The French Internationals in the 1990s being the most successful.

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.04.15 18:48:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 66) : Thai Baht ain’t worth much.

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.04.15 18:57:36 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 67) : Your memory is good but do you,remember when Murray Mexted played for us, Chris Butcher,Oliver Roumat(sp),Thiery le ,John Plumtree,that huge Aussie Hooker Tommy Lawton.
    I go back before Bedford to the days of Oxlee,Trix Truter,Don Watson,Snowy Suter.

  • Comment 69, posted at 08.04.15 19:02:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 68) : Not a huge exodus of SA athletes for Thailand???? Besides yourself of course. :mrgreen: :razz:

  • Comment 70, posted at 08.04.15 19:02:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 69) : You might be older than me, I don’t actually remember much of anything before Bedford. ;-) Thierry LeCroix and Olivier Roumat were the two French Internationals I was referring to in my previous post, I think they just stayed after the 1995 RWC. Somehow managed to lure an in form international hooker in Piston Van Wyk in 1976. Not sure how that happened. :twisted:

  • Comment 71, posted at 08.04.15 19:05:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 26) : That, my friend, is fair enough… :lol:

  • Comment 72, posted at 08.04.15 19:07:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 70) : None with a bigger name than myself! :lol:

  • Comment 73, posted at 08.04.15 19:09:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) : Friend I am older than Victor Mattfield,saw my first game at K.P in 1957,when we sat on the grass,right on the side line.

  • Comment 74, posted at 08.04.15 19:10:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 22) : @StevieS (Comment 32) : Well, he did say Willem Alberts was a good player… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 08.04.15 19:11:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 74) : Beautiful, I was 5 years shy of birth. ;-) I do remember the schoolboy seating on the grass right by the touchline. In fact I remember my hero Tommy Bedford copping a right beating from JPR Williams right in front of me, in touch. I’m not sure how JPR didn’t have 100 schoolboys jump on top of him right then and there. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 76, posted at 08.04.15 19:14:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 70) : There was a 10′s rugby tournament in Bangkok a month or so ago though. I see Bobby Skinstadt was there.

  • Comment 77, posted at 08.04.15 19:15:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 73) : In the eyes of your proud uncle, nobody has a bigger name than you…..full stop. :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 08.04.15 19:16:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 77) : OK so one name that might come close to rivaling yours. :cool:

  • Comment 79, posted at 08.04.15 19:17:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 74) : But King’s Park was only opened in 1958 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 08.04.15 19:22:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 76) : You are talking about the 74 Lions game and the famous 99 call

  • Comment 81, posted at 08.04.15 19:27:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 80) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 82, posted at 08.04.15 19:27:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 81) : It was a blatant cheap shot to the back of Bedford’s head that knocked him down, face down. Then JPR piled on with knees and punches to the back and back of the head. I was completely taken aback at how quickly Bedford was back on his feet. I had always heard how the Welsh carried one heck of a punch, did not seem to be the case then.

  • Comment 83, posted at 08.04.15 19:31:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 80) : You are right sorry got my years wrong.,saw my first International there in 64 when we played the Welsh,and Keith Oxlee was in his prime.
    He was the epitome of a schoolboy hero,almost stepped out of a Roy of the Rovers comic,very cool calm a collected,and the best thing in those days was he came from Durban,Maritzburgh actually,spoke English and was a Springbok.
    I know its very hard to understand why all those things have any significance,but trust me they were.

  • Comment 84, posted at 08.04.15 19:37:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) : Bedford was a helluva rugby player,still think that loose trio of him Piet Greyling and Jan Ellis was one of the best ever

  • Comment 85, posted at 08.04.15 19:39:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : :lol: Roy of the Rovers is enough significance for me. I understand what you are saying though, it was like the rare instances Tommy Bedford was given the opportunity to play for the Boks.

  • Comment 86, posted at 08.04.15 19:40:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 85) : Agreed, I don’t think they every played together as a trio, but were contemporary, but I always liked the idea of Boland Coetzee, Jan Ellis and Tommy Bedford.

  • Comment 87, posted at 08.04.15 19:42:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : My dad was there as an 18-year old that day. I grew up on those stories. Oxlee was his hero!

  • Comment 88, posted at 08.04.15 19:44:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • May I just point out how truly fortunate we are to have so many veteran Natal fans here! There’s such a legacy.

  • Comment 89, posted at 08.04.15 19:44:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 79) : Pretty ironic. Thai people find it very offensive when you stick out your tongue. I’ve never put my name to shame like that. :lol:

  • Comment 90, posted at 08.04.15 19:44:31 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 87) : Jan Boland Coetzee coached me in my Stellenbosch days! Oom Jan always said, “Maar my donder, jy’s lank!” :lol:

  • Comment 91, posted at 08.04.15 19:45:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 91) : Lekker :grin: :grin: He was a true guided missile on the rugby pitch, always going full out and in the right direction.

  • Comment 92, posted at 08.04.15 19:49:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 90) : :mrgreen: good boy, you continue to make me proud. ;-)

  • Comment 93, posted at 08.04.15 19:50:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Your appeal to the 50+ demographic is high……when we can remember how to use our computers. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 94, posted at 08.04.15 19:53:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 94) : I wonder why that is…. :)

  • Comment 95, posted at 08.04.15 20:03:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : The other day your mate Morne came on here and in his very patronising way claimed, that as far as he was concerned there was no Natal rugby culture
    He claimed he had thought hard about it, and he best he could come up with for sum total of Natal s contribution to rugby , was to add the label American.That in his mind was the sum total of all the rugby to come out of this province. American.
    I was quite insulted by that and withdrew from the conversation as all the sycophants on here rushed to cosy up with the guru from SARU and agree with him.
    I subsequently remembered a name that for me, means everything about rugby in this province,if you know it it needs no explanation if you don’t well then you don’t.
    Skonk Nicholson.

  • Comment 96, posted at 08.04.15 20:08:03 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 96) : Ah Skonk…yesss…

  • Comment 97, posted at 08.04.15 20:28:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 96) : In fairness to Morné, it was me who used the American analogy. And I was being facetious at the time

  • Comment 98, posted at 08.04.15 20:29:58 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 96) : mate how do you put the term guru and SARU in the same sentance

  • Comment 99, posted at 08.04.15 21:26:11 by benji Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 94) : time for a CC here methinks,we need to blood the young fans in here

  • Comment 100, posted at 08.04.15 21:28:07 by benji Reply
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  • The Sharks did not exist in the ’60s.

    Before 1990, the Banana Boys played in Durban and were fun to watch because of the way they played, but were almost completely inconsequential as a competitive team.

    Then the Natal Rugby Union, founded “The Shark’s, as the first truly professional rugby team and instantly became a force to be reckoned with.

    In that sense they were perhaps “American”.

    But rest assured, they’re certainly not an American style professional sport franchise any more.

  • Comment 101, posted at 09.04.15 06:14:18 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 101) : That all seems just a little condescending…

  • Comment 102, posted at 09.04.15 06:37:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 101) : Where to start? It was not the launch of “The Sharks” brand that made Natal competitive (that only happened in 1995 by the way…by that time they had won their second Currie Cup already and had narrowly lost a third final in the first half of the 90′s). The brand was launched as part of the step to professionalism and the Sharks made that step earlier and better than most…that part of your comment is true. I don’t quite understand what the point of your comment is, though: are you saying that rebranding at a union suddenly makes it a new union and negates the history that has gone before? To me the Union is the same, the history is still being built on, but some changes are being introduced. The changes were successful ones…and right at the moment some of the success has been lost. The question that should be asked is why. I don’t think the Sharks are no longer a professional union, they just have some issues that need to be addressed…professionally…

  • Comment 103, posted at 09.04.15 06:47:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 103) :

    There was a discontinuity in Natal rugby around 1990. The team and the union that existed before and the professional franchise that was created (before professionalism was official) and became a power overnight, really are too different. Previous history is not negated, it just bear almost no relationship with what came after.

    That part is to be admired. Hence the American reference.

    But at this moment professional management is lacking.
    It may return again next week or next year — we shall hope. In my opinion the problem was caused by the BOD, appointing a CEO who had no experience or qualifications for the position.

  • Comment 104, posted at 09.04.15 13:04:30 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 102) : Im sure Fyndraai is Vinnies American cousin. :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 105, posted at 09.04.15 13:07:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 104) : So what experience and qualifications did B.J have for the position.

  • Comment 106, posted at 09.04.15 13:22:18 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 106) :

    Who is B.J?

    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 105) :

    I continue to be surprised that no one else has asked that question or even attempted to answer it. The Sharks have after all been inept in more than just on-field matters lately.

  • Comment 107, posted at 10.04.15 06:04:13 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 104) : I have to say, I’m inclined to agree with you on the appointment of our CEO. When the initial announcement was made, I think a lot of Sharks fans (myself included) were seduced/blinded by the thrill of the Sharks having secured the services of arguably the greatest Springbok captain/leader ever.

    What is now transpiring in the cold light of day is that the CEO post is a very much business-oriented position, and our CEO’s lack of experience/acumen is being exposed. On top of that, the post is too far removed from the playing/coaching activities for any of John’s extensive playing and leadership experience to effectively be transferred.

    While I still think John Smit had a lot to offer, in retrospect something like DoR might have been a better position for him to learn the ropes in.

    To quote pastorshark, “sigh”.

  • Comment 108, posted at 10.04.15 09:07:19 by Culling Song Reply
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