StevieS

What they had to say: Sharks vs Lions, Round 9


Written by Stephen Smith (StevieS)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 13 Apr 2015 at 09:17
Tagged with : , , , , , , , , ,

What an encouraging display by our boys in black and white! I know we lost, but I’m happier with the effort and heart shown by our boys.

Special mention to Odwa at fullback, who I thought looked full of running and was safe at the back, and to The Bone Collector on making an impact on his return (those doubting this can give poor Mark Richards a call). On that note, I’m glad to see Mark was looking ok on the sidelines.

Let’s dive into what the press had to say, although, this being a South African derby, the Aussie Press had little to say on the matter:

South Africa:

“They looked initially to have shrugged off that setback, when Renaldo Bothma went over as he spun through two tackles after an initial break through the middle by Andre Esterhuizen. Speedy wing Lwazi Mvovo then outran the Lions defence to stretch the early lead to eight points. But the Lions rallied through Mnisi and tries from De Klerk and Vorster in the first six minutes of the second half – as they turned the scoreline around to 23-14.” – rugby365.com

“Some will say it was an improvement on the Sharks’ most recent performance against the Crusaders. In that fixture, the Sharks conceded eight tries and 52 points, as well as a red card. On this occasion at Ellis Park, they leaked 29 fewer points and five fewer tries, and conceded a yellow instead of a red. But to accept that argument is to embrace a loser’s mentality. The Sharks battled for much of this contest against the Lions, and an instant of indiscipline robbed them of momentum once again at a crucial juncture of the game.” – sarugbymag.co.za

“The Lions were 14-6 down before debutant Howard Mnisi scored on the stroke of half-time and then went over for two quick tries at the start of the second period as his side won for the fifth time in six games.” – sport24.co.za

“Three tries in the space of seven minutes straddling halftime knocked back a passionate and committed Cell C Sharks response to a week of doom and gloom in Durban and set the Emirates Lions on course for a 23-21 win in a frenetic and nail-biting Vodacom Super Rugby derby at Emirates Airlines Park on Saturday. The Sharks coaches, who had spent much of the week apologising for last week’s shocking 52-10 defeat to the Crusaders at Kings Park, asked for the players to respond to the crisis that was threatening, and they got the response they ask for. Fred Zeilinga had an opportunity to set the seal on a committed performance when he lined up an angled long range penalty on the stroke of fulltime, but sadly for him and the brave Durbanites, the ball held up to the right and confirmed the Lions’ fifth win in the last six starts.” – supersport.com

New Zealand:

“The Lions came back after conceding two first-half tries to beat South African rivals Sharks 23-21 at Ellis Park on Saturday (Sunday NZT) to keep up their winning run in Super Rugby. The Lions were 14-6 down before debutant Howard Mnisi scored on the stroke of halftime and then went over for two quick tries at the start of the second period as his side won for the fifth time in six games.” – stuff.co.nz

Australia:

“The Lions survived a stoppage-time scare to defeat the Sharks 23-21 Saturday and secure a Super Rugby top-six place for the first time this season. After building a nine-point lead early in the second half of the ninth-round clash, the Johannesburg Lions looked set for a South African derby victory before being rattled by a late Sharks comeback.” – smh.com.au

International:

“The Lions made it back-to-back South African derby wins within a week after overcoming the Sharks 23-21 at Emirates Airlines Park. Three tries in seven minutes transformed the contest as a whole, with the Lions going from tamed to tremendous and in the process leaving their visitors shellshocked. Their home ground always brings the best out of the Lions and while their running game didn’t materalise in last week’s one-point win over the Bulls, they were in full flow here once Howard Mnisi struck just before half-time.” – sanzarrugby.com

“Even an alleged laser from the stands in the eyes of Elton Jantjies couldn’t prevent the onslaught in the second half as the Lions made it five wins from their last six matches.” – planetrugby.com

“The Lions and the Sharks both scored three tries each and the difference came down to kicks. The Sharks had the opportunity to win the match with a late penalty but Fred Zeilinga’s kick went wide. The result takes the Lions record to five wins from 9 matches and the Sharks four wins also from 9. The Sharks led 11-14 at half time but were outscored in the second half 12-7 which cost them the match.” – superxv.com

Twitter:

“Willem Alberts > Mark Richards @TheSharksZA #ssrugby #SharksvLions”

“When the Lions are higher on the log than the Sharks… *shaking my head* @SuperRugby #SuperRugby #TheSharks #SharksRugby”

“Decision to axe Plumtree has borne no fruit.#sharksrugby man dumped for Mercenary White & Gold-plated pretender.Where is @mfactorcoaching?”

“In case you missed it. Willem Alberts is back. #BoneCollector #sharksrugby #SuperRugby”

Here’s hoping I’ll be commenting on a Sharks win this time next week.



53 Comments

  • Thanks Stevie! Overall I have to say MUCH better from the Sharks. We were a kick away from victory, when we were written off completely before the match. Thought Marco had a great game as well. Both as captain and player. My only concern is our defence still. We let slip those 2 quick tries just after halftime, that they caught us sleeping. Whatever it is that Horak is doing.. I don’t think its working.

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.04.15 09:31:37 by Another Nick Reply
    Another NickSuper Rugby player
     
  • Check out what Nick Mallett had to say about the Sharks on sport24.co.za http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/Mallett-credits-Lions-Sharks-20150413

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.04.15 09:32:04 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Another Nick (Comment 1) : Thanks Nick. I agree, Marco seemed to calm the guys down and our defence has been shocking. They need to rethink keeping Horak on as we seem worse than last year.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.04.15 09:33:37 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • Sharks never get much love on sarugbymag.com. Probably becos the poison dwarf and his Shwarma supporters all write for that rag.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.04.15 09:39:59 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
    Author
    The Great Couch SharkSuper Rugby player
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 3) : It seems like they were just cutting though our midfield at will. I would like to see out backline for Sat.
    9 Reinach
    10 Zeilinga
    11 Mvovo
    12 Esterhuizen
    13. S’bu
    14. Wilson/Odders
    15. Sp

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.04.15 09:40:54 by Another Nick Reply

    Another NickSuper Rugby player
     
  • Better I agree but still plenty of improvement needed. Wow how was that collision with the Bone Collector and Richards – eina.

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.04.15 09:43:09 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

    RedSharkUtd82Super Rugby player
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 3) : I am starting to believe Horak was a plant by the Cheetahs to get back at the Sharks for taking their name of the Curry Cup.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.04.15 09:44:53 by Bokhoring Reply
    Administrator
    BokhoringAssistant coach
     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : :lol: Ah! Now it all makes sense.. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.04.15 09:47:07 by Another Nick Reply

    Another NickSuper Rugby player
     
  • A much improved performance by the Sharks that showed that while they don’t yet have the championship credentials, they at least have the hunger back to compete in the competition.

    The key for me was blooding some new players and the youthful energy clearly galvanized the team.

    I thought Marco Wentzel was pretty fantastic as captain and should definitely carry on from here.

    Mvovo’s try was one of the better backline tries I’ve seen this season which proves that we can indeed play exciting rugby when we give the ball some air.

    I think it’s criminal that S’bura hasn’t had that many chances yet this year as he clearly was the most dangerous back on the field, and although his defense was a bit leaky, he offered more on attack that the creaky JP Pietersen has all season.

    Mostert starting ahead of the wayward Cooper also helped the Sharks stabilize their lineout game and get the basics right.

    No doubt Gary Gold will be seething in frustration at another yellow card, and this time I felt it was a little harsh and unwarranted from the referee who should have opted for a penalty before a yellow. This was a crucial juncture of the game where momentum swung the Lion’s way. Unfortunately the Sharks have done themselves no favours now with their discipline and are probably a marked team by refs in the tournament.

    All in all, it was great to see the egos put aside and team responding as a whole to the challenge. If Gold/Horak can shore up the shaky midfield defence, they’lll definitely get their winning ways back.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.04.15 09:56:55 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
    Author
    The Great Couch SharkSuper Rugby player
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 3) : @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : I think it’s too easy to lay the blame at Horak’s door for this one. He may be a contributing factor but I reckon it’s safe to assume the problems run deeper. It’s a stretch to describe the Sharks as cohesive in any particular facet of play at the moment. The defense coaching may be spot on for all we know but nothing is really coming together consistently at the moment (attack, defense, exit strategies, set-pieces, etc…). Is it a case of too many cooks perhaps? I’m not just referring to coaches with that last question.

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.04.15 10:00:36 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 9) : the momentum swung the Lions way when we let them in for 3 tries in 7 minutes.

    The damage was already well done by the time Andre got himself carded.

    And it’s not the referee’s job to figure out which team has momentum and which doesn’t. It’s his job to blow the laws impartially. Andre’s tackle was late and it was the third late tackle in a ten minute period. Harsh for the individual, but the team as a whole had transgressed too many times.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.04.15 10:05:12 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 10) : It is the first time that I know of that we have employed a full-time defensive coach, and it is also the first time in ages I have seen such poor defending from the Sharks. But there may be other factors at play too as you say.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.04.15 10:07:27 by Bokhoring Reply
    Administrator
    BokhoringAssistant coach
     
  • @Another Nick (Comment 5) : Good looking backline.

    @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 6) : I thought Richards was dead. He was out cold with his eyes open. Scary stuff.

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.04.15 10:14:28 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : I can’t state any of the above with absolute certainty but I do think we have to be careful of not falling into the ‘correlation equals causation’ trap at the moment.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.04.15 10:14:57 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 10) : You’re probably right. I should try to be more objective :oops:

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.04.15 10:16:57 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 13) : Yeah I must say it was scary to see him like that.

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.04.15 10:17:01 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

    RedSharkUtd82Super Rugby player
     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : Interesting, but what was the reason that The Kings planted him with the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.04.15 10:33:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 17) : They sent him to the Kings for a year to hide their true intentions from the Sharks :razz:

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.04.15 10:37:59 by Bokhoring Reply
    Administrator
    BokhoringAssistant coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Was the team on a warning? Is there a law/rule that the third transgression for a late tackle gets carded. I’m genuinely interested.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.04.15 10:42:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 18) : All part of a clever plot to derail the Sharks and rule the rugby world (or should that be World Rugby?) :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.04.15 10:42:33 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 20) : Yes – Naka is actually an evil genius whose ultimate plans include running World Rugby ala Sepp Blatter.

    OK – drop the genius bit.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.04.15 10:46:14 by Bokhoring Reply
    Administrator
    BokhoringAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) : no, I don’t think there is any absolute rule as to when the ref needs to issue a warning or whether he even needs to do so. The premise of “team transgression” is well-enough established, I’d say.

    It frustrates me that we are again seeking to make excuses for ill-disciplined play.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.04.15 10:46:36 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 18) : I got it the wrong way round, I thought he came to us from the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.04.15 10:46:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : I thought it was a harsh call at the time. No excuses. Lets just hope the refs view all teams and their actions in the same light.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.04.15 10:50:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) : well, we know that’s not going to happen any time soon.

    But hey, you come into the game with a completely justified reputation as a dirty team, you take what you get.

    would like to see a big clock at Kings Park with “card free minutes” ticking up. When we get to even 80, we’ll be on the right track.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.04.15 10:54:58 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : The clock is a good idea.

    On the reputation preceding the team, well if a ref is swayed by that then it shows that he probably should not be reffing because he is already starting the game with preconceived ideas.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.04.15 10:59:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : No excuses, we need to work to get our reputation as a clean team back.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.04.15 10:59:58 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • Thanks for the article StevieS, Also nice to read the tweet referring to Plum.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.04.15 11:01:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 26) : But then again the way we have collected cards over the last few weeks it will probably take a few years of cardless games to not be seen as a dirty team.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.04.15 11:04:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 28) : Thanks, glad you enjoyed it :grin:

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.04.15 11:14:35 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : I sure would prefer late tackles to be reviewed by TMO in real time…slow motion helps absolutely nothing – unless you want to card guys for transgressing by milliseconds.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.04.15 11:20:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

    Assistant coach
     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) : I also felt that showing Matt Stevens’ exposed stomach in slow motion during one of the late game scrums was a disservice to the viewing public :twisted:

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.04.15 11:22:39 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 32) : Glad I missed that bit

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.04.15 11:28:07 by Bokhoring Reply
    Administrator
    BokhoringAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 32) : :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.04.15 11:30:06 by FireTheLooser Reply

    Assistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 26) : He never made the call it was the assistant ref,Berry is probably the most Shark biased ref in the game.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.04.15 11:31:05 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 32) : Lol I was also thinking when he came on that he needs to work on his conditioning.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.04.15 12:04:20 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @The hound (Comment 35) : I’ve always found him to be quite fair ;-)

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.04.15 12:05:21 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 36) : Indeed. I probably got a little too personal with that comment but it was such a strange shot to put in slow motion.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.04.15 12:16:01 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 38) : Maybe it was done on purpose lol

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.04.15 12:21:54 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • news24 was drunk again : ‘debutant Howard Mnisi’

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.04.15 14:11:45 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 40) : I was wondering if anybody else had noticed that one lol Well done Zibbie.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.04.15 14:55:53 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 41) : it makes me worry that the general population knows and cares so little about the Lions . We night never deliver another bok player …

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.04.15 15:18:34 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • Wait your turn, the will be lots when Ackerman is Bok coach.

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.04.15 16:06:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 42) : The Lions are everyones second team, so don’t even think that people don’t care, we do.

    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) : I think he’d make a great Bok coach in the not-too-distant future. He has the ability to relate to players, yet maintain the discipline and respect, which few coaches can manage.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.04.15 16:17:23 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 44) : That all changes when you have to coach a bunch of “superstars”, like the ones at the Sharks.

    Thanks for the interesting article Stevie.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.04.15 16:51:24 by Ben Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    BenAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) : @StevieS (Comment 44) :

    He first needs to coach the Lions into a super rugby winning unit . but give him a year or 2 .

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.04.15 18:49:47 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • @Ben (Comment 45) : Best follow the German soccer team’s template…get rid of super stars, create a team.

    That’s why Germany managed to beat Lionel Messi ;-)

    Probably why the Sharks also gave a much improved performance past Saturday…no Bismarck, no Steyn, no Jannie – the three egos.

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.04.15 19:45:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

    Assistant coach
     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 47) : German ‘football’ team you mean? :mrgreen:

    I agree.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.04.15 20:13:18 by Ben Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    BenAssistant coach
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 46) : “He first needs to coach the Lions into a super rugby winning unit.”

    Meaning? Winning Super Rugby or just winning more regularly in Super Rugby?

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.04.15 20:23:48 by Ben Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    BenAssistant coach
     
  • Wtf?
    Proteas.. lost
    Sharks… lost
    Pukke… lost

    I need to support different teams, ffs. I have forgotten how it feels to win something

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.04.15 20:52:09 by SharksRTB Reply

    SharksRTBCurrie Cup player
     
  • @SharksRTB (Comment 50) : Luckily I support Chelsea football club. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.04.15 21:10:46 by Ben Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    BenAssistant coach
     
  • Good article again and nice info spread

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.04.15 23:41:04 by benji Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Team captain
     
  • @Ben (Comment 45) : Good point, I wonder how he’d manage the egos.

    @benji (Comment 52) : Thanks Benji. A bit frustrating as the overseas press don’t report on SA games unless we play against either Australian or New Zealand teams.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.04.15 08:14:36 by StevieS Reply
    Author
    StevieSSuper Rugby player
     

Add Comment

You must be logged in to post a comment.