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Dunedin disaster


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 1 May 2015 at 11:22
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The Sharks have succumbed to another big loss against Kiwi opposition, going down 48-15 to the Highlanders in Dunedin.

Already low on loose forward options in the tour group, the withdrawal of Renaldo Bothma just before kick off proved telling with Etienne Oosthuizen battling to adapt to a blindside flank berth in which he has never looked comfortable. It didn’t take long for the Highlanders to exploit the disjointed Sharks, with flanker Gareth Evans scoring the first try just four minutes in. Odwa Ndungane missed the final tackle, just one of the defensive lapses committed during a poor evening at fullback.

Lima Sopoaga added a conversion and penalty to take the hosts out to a 10-point lead before a period of rare dominance in the middle of the first half saw the Sharks draw level. With the forwards making yards around the fringes, Beast Mtawarira scored their first try, with Fred Zeilinga adding five more via the boot. It didn’t take long for this revival to be snuffed out, though; the Sharks’ individual errors and lack of cohesion on defence were brilliantly exposed twice more before half time, with Highlanders wingers Waisake Naholo and Patrick Osborne scoring within minutes of one another.

The second half was no better for the Sharks (trailing 10-24); a tapped lineout ball in their own 22 was somehow missed by Conrad Hoffmann, with Mark Reddish rushing through to dot down for the bonus point. Further tries to Aaron Smith and Brendon Edmonds rubbed salt into the wounds, before Bismarck du Plessis scored off the back of a lineout drive deep into the second half. Elliot Dixon, though, added an eighth for the hosts to seal a fine 33-point win for his side.

Highlanders (48): Tries Evans, Naholo, Osborne, Reddish, A Smith, Edmonds, Dixon. Conversions Sopoaga (5). Penalty Sopoaga
Sharks (15): Tries Mtawarira, du Plessis. Conversion Zeilinga. Penalty Zeilinga



154 Comments

  • :evil:

    Fuck the Sharks. There I said it.

    GOLD OUT

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.05.15 11:24:28 by Feather Reply
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  • Looks like the team has been on holiday for the last 2 weeks rather than hard at work in training, bar Alberts

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.05.15 11:25:26 by woody Reply
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  • Only positive might have been, Lionel Cronje, he looked decent when he cme on, and Odwa whose always solid.

    I didnt want to jump on the get rid of Gary Gold bandwagon. But his tactics, substitutions and choice of team have been shocking.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.05.15 11:27:59 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @woody (Comment 2) : yeah Alberts is dependably good

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.05.15 11:28:57 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 1) : and if Gold does get fired, will we also force the next guy to work with incompetent R-Sole assistants he didnt pick cause they coached our CEO in high school?

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.05.15 11:29:22 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Be honest now Rob, you had this article typed up beforehand.. :)

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.05.15 11:30:15 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 6) : :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.05.15 11:30:40 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • What a disgrace

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.05.15 11:31:06 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 4) : and probably playing his last season for us

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.05.15 11:31:18 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • “More to follow”
    About what? Just keave it as is.. enough said… ;-)

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.05.15 11:32:37 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Why can’t we catch the ball in perfect conditions, that’s just basics

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.05.15 11:33:06 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Begin firing the fat court jester on his mountain bike.lots of problems started with him at the helm.

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.05.15 11:34:10 by Phil46 Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 5) : …and right there is the issue, the players are executing what they are being told, and the supposed DoR has to work with guys he never appointed.

    How much say (as in decision making power) does the supposed DoR actually have, and how many decisions are being overridden by our esteemed CEO?

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.05.15 11:34:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Coached by high school coaches, and it looks like it

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.05.15 11:36:32 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • The best of it all…they supposedly spent all their pre-season time on mastering attacking rugby – but continue to kick the ball away, exposing the area nobody seems able to fix.

    I am sure Barney’s numbers won’t be as rosy as they had been…

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.05.15 11:40:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Ceo and his tjommies has made the sharks into the whipping boys and laughing stock in rugby,but big salary for ceo and rest of the time on his mountain bike.liffeee is good at the sharks……

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.05.15 11:41:38 by Phil46 Reply

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  • I was bitterly disappointed about having to miss the game this morning. I got over it remarkably quickly however :)

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.05.15 11:42:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Time for John Smit to fire the whole coaching staff, and then to fall on his sword.

    I haven’t enjoyed watching the Sharks play rugby since John Plumtree was coach. Oh wait I lie, I quite enjoyed watching the Curry Cup with Brendan Venter in charge.

    The players too don’t look like they are having any fun out there, also something that has been lacking since Plum was ditched.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.05.15 11:45:01 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 18) : i keep wondering how the hell that happened??? Winning the cc with a temporary coach who only joined the team one week prior to the start of the cc. And where is he now?

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.05.15 11:47:56 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Something HAS to change. There has been no evidence over 11 games now that anything is working or is going to change.

    The CEO is a rookie.

    The DOR is an average journeyman with no track record of any success behind him whatsoever.

    The TD has his head buried at Saracens and is not full time.

    The Assistant coaches were school coaches a few months ago and this is, for all of them, their first big gig.

    WHAT DID WE REALLY EXPECT????

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.05.15 11:48:15 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 20) : co sign on all you said

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.05.15 11:49:18 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 3) : Are you high? Odwa was probably our worst player. He’s clearly not a fullback and he’s not fast enough to play wing. His Sharks retirement is already about 2 years overdue

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.05.15 11:50:45 by woody Reply
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  • Ausie derby is very good rugby

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.05.15 11:55:31 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @woody (Comment 22) : With all the retirees currently on the Sharks payroll, Odwa is probably exactly where he should be :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.05.15 11:56:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @woody (Comment 22) : no not high, although that would have improved the game immeasurably. Odwa has been one of our only decent backline players this seasons. In my opinion of course..

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.05.15 11:56:42 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 25) : the only decent backline player is out with a neck injury.

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.05.15 11:59:14 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • We can actually thank our lucky stars that we don’t have relegation anymore, coz by the looks of it, I could def see us sitting next season out like the lions did in 2013. I have to agree with Jonnow, besides venter’s curry cup stint year before last, I haven’t enjoyed our boys playing since plum either. You can say what u want bout plum, and u can keep using the excuse that gold hasn’t had time to prove himself better than plum yet, but honestly, under plum, were we EVER this embarrassed by a sharks outfit? We have become the whipping boys in superrugby, hell I wouldn’t be surprised if a vodacom cup team would compete against this team also. And I believe all this nonsense started when we decided to go the DoR route mxm. I didn’t like white’s style of play last year but one thing bout the guy, he knew how to play a player in his best position. Sithole has never, since he’s been at the sharks, been wow at wing, and when jake made him a centre the man became a springbok almost immediately. Mvovo was virtually a contender for the best full back in superrugby last year and yet gold lacks the ability to chose them in those positions (take nothing away from odwa though, he’s doing good at 15). I don’t say fire gold, but a change is desperately needed. We need a new solutions. This currently path we on is disastrous.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.05.15 12:00:51 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • I would suggest that the Sharks team actually rescind JP Pietersen’s contract, but that would mean dropping a tube laaitie in the deep end. So be it, the season was over for the Sharks 2 games ago already. Pietersen is skating on past reputation. And with all respect they don’t look well coached. The tahs and brumbies look well coached (watching this now), so really what is the Sharks’ excuse?

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.05.15 12:07:11 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 27) : For some reason, our DoR is actually just a glorified head coach…

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.05.15 12:07:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Questions also need to be asked about player recruitment. We have far too high a proportion of players who are simply just not championship, trophy winning calibre. Put too many of them into the mix at the same time and why the surprise when we have 50 points put past us?

    The Sharks used to be a wow team in terms of player personnel. These days it seems the top players don’t want to join the union.

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.05.15 12:11:28 by Feather Reply

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  • Please,please Stephen Saad,DO SOMETHING!!!!.Not sure how much of the Sharks brand will left over at the end of 2015.Supporting the Sharks for nearly 30 years now and this is heart breaking stuff for me.Every week we hear about looking in thr mirror or players owing the team but nothing is changing.You can see not everything is not right.

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.05.15 12:12:05 by Phil46 Reply

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  • It is just very obvious that all that goes backwards at Kings park is going forwards at Emirates airline park. Streauli?

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.05.15 12:13:04 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • The only games we’ve won were the easy ones, and then only just. Our handling is shocking. There’s no cohesion. The plan of giving the ball to the opposition at evey opportunity, is our biggest disaster. Today it was even more evident. We had one good kick from Fred that lead to a knock and penalty, and Cobus put one good grubber through, but then we didn’t compete in the lineout. Another big gripe I have is our donkey driving into rucks and not watching that the ball is coming out between our legs and then the opposition pounces on it. Ball security is nowhere. After 11 games I also feel that Gold has not shown anything apart from being able to apologise. Not sure where to now. This tour is not going to be pretty if something serious doesn’t happen.

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.05.15 12:20:12 by T-Shark Reply

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  • Imho, I think the problem is with the assistent coaches. Brad,Anthony, Horak etc. They are way out of their depth.

    John, Gary and Brendan have worked together, and worked well together.

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.05.15 12:20:38 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Let’s put the an who made his name on wing at Centre the guy who has proven his spark at Centre at wing. Then a pension er wing at fullback add a scrum me who refuses to distribute the ball and has delusions of being a flyhalf. Then add some over the hill men as your bench replacements oh and a ballerina that no one else wanted at scrumhalf replacement, then expect to win a super rugby game. Just to top it off your head coach only pitches on 99 and your other coaches forget to prepare a decent defense. Let’s see what else can we do to make things worse? Oh that’s right some egotistical hap players who refuse to pull their weight or keep discipline. Yup makings of a great season.

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.05.15 12:25:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I don`t get it, I FINALLY get a margin point on Superbru and you guys call it a disaster? :evil: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.05.15 12:32:17 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 34) : I agree that Gary can’t be that bad having had the respect of professional people at other successful unions. There must therefore be a hiatus between the players and the director of Rugby and perhaps the Sharks don’t want to publicise it, but somebody has to take the blame. Jake White was apparently a bit of a martinet but t least the team looked drilled and prepared and though the strategy wasn’t sexy it at least was successful. The talk at the beginning of the year about attacking rugby is long forgotten. Something needs to happen Sharks management guys because I don’twant to support an ozzie team and I refuse to support the bulls, striped underpants poo-poo faces, lions or cheetahs. My heart is with the Sharks but its been broken for a long time. Try something…find talent, get rid of the dross and those not performing, prayer and fasting…I don’t know, something!

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.05.15 12:33:06 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Here`s a thought . . .

    Maybe, just Maybe the problem was Never With Jake White, but with our Prima Donnas, and because of their attitude problems we lost the best coach in World Rugby cause he, quite rightly, refused to put up with their crap? Just a thought guys.

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.05.15 12:43:52 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : I acted proactively by opening an IPA before opening Sharksworld. I did not have the courage to switch on the tv

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.05.15 12:44:50 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 39) : shit.. that took guts

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.05.15 13:05:50 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 38) : Thought that from when he was booted. Too many poephols called him this and that but it’s showing now that that was obviously not the case. How many here jumped on the White is a snake bandwagon, you must be glad now with Gold and clowns huh :roll:

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.05.15 13:32:13 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @Mephisto_Shark (Comment 41) : Not me man, I`m still defending Jake . .

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.05.15 14:04:07 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • You know its so easy to kick the shit out of this team when they are down,but then this is the Sharks and most of the shit kickers on here,kicked the shit out of them when we won the conference last year.
    And next week we come up against Plum with a rampant team.
    I still think I saw things today that are positive,Alberts,Bismark,Beast ,Lewies played out there skin,lineouts were good,
    We had a try stolen from us by a cynical referee referalif he had asked the other question we would have scored.They were given a try even though it was so apparent that there was a clear interference run.Hoffman allowing that try after Wentzel had stolen the lineout ball was unforgiveable.Thats a 21 point swing.
    Few things came out this game,Fred and Hoffman sub standard.Oda ready for retirement.
    Brendan Venter is totally clueless when it comes to defence,and our handling sucks big time.
    Time for John Mitchell and some iron discpline

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.05.15 14:21:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 38) : But that’s what I have been saying for weeks now. Jake made it clear to the players that he was the coach and to win SR, they had to work flippen hard. He also refused to work with school boy coaches, saw Fred for what he really is, moved Sithole to 13. Mvovo to 15. The players and assistant jokes then colluded to get him out.

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.05.15 14:24:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • I am starting to get the strong sense that a good number of the senior Sharks players are rotten apples. Divas. Egos. Too powerful. We want team players not individuals. Humble not hubris. Of course our yes men, nice men, only used to dealing with school boy coaches are not up to the task of instilling that ethos.

    A purge is coming.

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.05.15 14:31:25 by Feather Reply

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  • In fact after the evidence of this season Jake White’s credibility is rising.

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.05.15 14:32:13 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 46) : And it’s clear that the players have too much power and want coaches they can dictate terms to. The current situation is a perfect fit for them. Really wish PSDT becomes captain after the RWC cause I know he won’t take this current shit and will always put the Sharks first and will have no problem working with a strong coach like Mitchell.

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.05.15 14:40:45 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 39) : Damnit CS! I’m tempted to scour Centurion for an IPA now.

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.05.15 14:50:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 47) : why would PSDT sign a new Sharks contract when his expires in October?

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.05.15 15:01:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Can anyone please explain to me why Fred Z is first choice over Lionel C every time..Lionel looks to attack first and Fred looks to kick first.he kicks most possession away,90% of the time..Sharks work so hard to get the ball back only to be kicked down the throat of a Highlanders player( like they need another invitation) allowing them to run at our unorganized Kak defense structure..Fred is always deep in the pocket,which clearly suggests there is no attacking intention..then to top it off they bring on Conrad H at half time (tactical sub)..he is such an average no9..no where near SR quality..what’s with persisting with Etienne Oosthuizen at flank,his no way a flank..Don’t tell me we can’t find someone else there (yes I know there are suspensions and injures) but come on..Its time to start looking at the coaching structures they have in place or is there any to start off with..As a Sharks supporter this is disgusting..its one thing losing and but another get blown off the park due to tactical errors and and persisting with players in either wrong positions or so badly off form..at what sage do the coaching staff look at each other and say hey JP is not a Center..mind fuck..so glad to see that Paul Jordaan is playing later..his about the only centre with a creative mind and we can do with those trademark solo runs of his..

    I could go on and on…this could become the tour from Hell if some big players don’t put up there hands an accept responsibility!

    Enough said..

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.05.15 15:07:10 by Esmo Reply

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  • @Esmo (Comment 50) : Dude, no way any player has a natural instinct to kick away every shred of possession. It has to be instructions. We as the supporters can all see it doesn’t work. Surely other players would chime in and tell the 9 and 10 to stop kicking, but no, our coaches feel it’s easier to win by not having the ball and feeding off the opposition’s errors… the only problem is, it does not work against teams who have the skill and desire to counter-attack (almost every NZ and Aus team). It fails, badly, like we saw today.

    It was the same plan instituted by JW last year, only then he made sure our defence was top notch. It is the type of plan that sees you win matches with a proper defence and done properly but has never been good enough to win the trophy (ask the Stormers vintage of 2010-12. It also SUCKS to watch!

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.05.15 15:25:46 by Feather Reply

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  • And at our union our technical director goes to the press to tell them “oops, we forgot all about defence for the first 9 matches of the season.”

    Looks like they’ve still ‘forgotten’ about it.

    We have become a massive joke and it does not look good on Gold, the man where the team performance buck must ultimately fall.

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.05.15 15:28:19 by Feather Reply

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  • Glad to see the usual calling for heads to roll. Our defense was nowhere today, same holes still there. And the guys seem to have forgotten how to catch a ball.

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.05.15 15:32:24 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 52) : Thank you for bringing that up. At the time I felt like Im the only guy in SA not singing Brendans praises. I mean the whole internet went wild at his “honesty and “humility” and so forth. All I saw was a schmuck saying he forgot to fucking coach a rugby team to defend

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.05.15 15:33:50 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 53) : the players are taking their pay cheque but that’s it. No passion, no heart, no desire and NO FUN. There are grave underlying problems that we on the outside can only guess at, but the only certainty given the players’ demeanor is that they are not a happy team.

    Some players have bigger egos than they should, but most importantly I feel all our coaches are way out of their depth.

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.05.15 15:53:42 by Feather Reply

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  • Our shameful years in Super rugby – 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2005. A period of half a decade of pure utter tosh and defeat followed by defeat. Man it sucked to be a Sharks supporter then.

    I had hoped that period of history was an aberration, a glitch consigned to history for good.

    But it seems I was wrong.

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.05.15 15:58:51 by Feather Reply

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  • How bad would a coaching change right now really be?

    Can it honestly get any worse than it’s currently going?

    Will Gold and Co. be able to revive this campaign, when it’s clear that their coaching has set his team further back with each passing game, as apposed to a new coach (with proven pedigree)?

    52 – 10…48 – 15…what will the Canes do to this team?

    How many drubbings will it take before serious and immediate action is required?

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.05.15 16:05:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 57) : Now you’re thinking like I was a month ago already :grin:

    Seriously, let’s all ask ourselves 2 questions:

    1. Do you think this coaching team has the ability to turn it around?
    2. Just how much worse can a purge of the coaching staff be if they are replaced with the kind of coaches we expect for a great team like the Sharks (proven track record)?

    I guess a third question is, can the union afford it? Judging by the players we have signed of late I somehow doubt we are the team that we used to be financially speaking.

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.05.15 16:09:21 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 58) : I’m not sure if it’s panic, or common sense…

    But unless this is some hidden 4 year plan (where the union expects us to blindly follow along without them ever revealing it to us), then immediate change is required.

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.05.15 16:21:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Oh and one final comment before I log off for the day. I am sick and tired about reading Gold week in and week out calling for the team to show “character”. Character is for rudderless teams, teams who need that little something extra to overcome the odds stacked against them. Is he conceding this team has no plan, that they have the odds stacked against them? “Character” is great if you have it but to rely on it alone or put it on a pedestal is a recipe for disaster. Worry more about the leaky defence, poor basic skills, absence of attack and poor attitude Gold, you know, things you are paid to do.

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.05.15 16:24:06 by Feather Reply

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  • Same Bloody holes in our defense week in and out. Anyone know what the hell horak is doing?

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.05.15 17:08:36 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : Now * there’s* a ghastly thought…

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.05.15 17:10:21 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : Is it likely that a move is on the cards?

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.05.15 17:30:37 by durbsguy Reply

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  • Pretty much what I expected to happen before the game. I have to say the Highlanders is definitely my favorite overseas team – that is how rugby should be played.

    What awful kicking from both nines and Fred. Just look at Smith and Sopoanga to see what proper tactical kicking looks like. I would actually start Cronje ahead of Fred next week.

    Only Sharks to step of the field with some modicum of self respect were Alberts and Coetzee. The rest were absolutely awful.

    Can we still justify journeymen like Hoffmann holding the youngsters back?

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.05.15 17:30:45 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Where does this kicking deep strategy come from – especially on the best back three in the competition? Kick in space, kick contestable up and unders, yes. But kick straight to the opposition – with the nearest chaser 30 meters away makes no sense to me.

    When the Sharks held onto the ball and actually ran at the Highlanders, they did not look to bad at all. The boys need to work on their handling though, but I saw some encouraging signs. Some nice offloads from especially Alberts. They should continue to build on that approach.

    The defensive system however is a shambles. WTF?

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.05.15 17:47:10 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • This is becoming a joke….I was for the idea to give Gold time,to build his team and get familiar with the setup,but with this team he is definately not building towards anything!Why would you play Hoffman,Murray,JP and Stevens after they’ve made it quite clear they are not interested?

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.05.15 17:54:49 by BarendL Reply
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  • I am afraid we are heading back to the Kevin Putt years at a rate of knots. Mediocre coaches and players.

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.05.15 18:17:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • To be fair it’s not gold missing the tackles out on the field.

    Maybe the sharks just aren’t good enough?

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.05.15 18:36:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • i am [email protected] done with this kak…..time to manup. John needs to sort this out but he is probably on a cycle race again. Piss poor players, that do what they want and when they want with no interest at all. The tail is wagging the dog here. These coaches INCLUDING BRENDAN must piss off and go back to where they came from. What a [email protected] joke. We have become that 5 point team that other teams look forward to get 5 points from. 3rd worse defensive team before today and Horak still has a job? What a joke…….

    Get Mitchell and Rob du Preez in as coaches. They will not allow the clowns to run the show, they are 2 old school hard ass coaches. Can not begin to explain how concerned I am about what is happening to the Union I love so much. Even more concerning is that our current performing players and youngsters would rather not sign new contracts because they know they are dead in the water here…..

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.05.15 18:51:45 by Lieplapper Reply

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  • bad start to tour. Hoffman is useless. Bessie, Alberts, Marcel and Lewies played well. Only positive in the game

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.05.15 18:57:31 by sudhir Reply

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  • Please Gary tell Fred to stop kicking possession away. Cronje was much more attacking. JP is a wing. Sithole is a 13. Oosthuizen is a lock. Wake up and fix the problem or go back to Japan.

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.05.15 19:08:54 by sudhir Reply

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  • What everyone seems to be missing is that Cronje came on at the time when the game loosened up and most flyhalves become links. Reversed flyhalf roles would not have made a splat of difference.

  • Comment 72, posted at 01.05.15 20:21:45 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • I think Gary’s ceiling is Forwards Coach. He’d be a decent Head Coach/DoR with better assistant coaches, but unfortunately we don’t seem to have any of those.

    I think Smit’s loyalty to the likes of BMH and SE is admirable, but it’s misplaced. I’m sure they’re great guys and are talented, but from what I’ve seen over the last few seasons, the desire to “upskill” them for the future under the likes of Venter, White and Gold isn’t working out.

    As expensive as it may be, I think we need another clear-out, both behind the scenes and in terms of playing personnel. Next season may be even more painful than this one, but a new broom sweeping clean is necessary and it’s crucial that Smit & Co. make the right decisions NOW. A good place to start would be to speak to Dick Muir…

  • Comment 73, posted at 01.05.15 20:27:44 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 73) : It’s time for fans to get together and form a pro club based at Moses Mabhida with international coaches and players contracted a la Toulon. 1 Million supporters at €100 each over 3 years will set up a kickass brand with the right people involved.

  • Comment 74, posted at 01.05.15 20:38:50 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 74) : Lol…not a bad idea hey.

  • Comment 75, posted at 01.05.15 21:26:46 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 38) : Not gonna bang on that drum… But…

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.05.15 22:45:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I’m still furious at the Sharks. A traditional powerhouse team in Super rugby, the best SA touring team of the lot, humiliated by such a one-sided score. Also that we have become that predictable team who “relies on their rolling maul and lineout” and “physicality” because we don’t have a clue how to do anything else. Seriously, it’s embarrassing and the NZ commentators were a little condescending about the team’s abilities. The Sharks don’t look like they have anyone steering the ship.

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.05.15 03:25:53 by Feather Reply

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  • steyn is back next week. He should start at IC and that should stabilise the midfield at least. Let free play his usual game, a lot flatter. Swop sbura and jpp. Kick Hoffman off the bus on the way to practice. That would be a start.

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.05.15 06:59:39 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Free is fred of course.

  • Comment 79, posted at 02.05.15 07:00:20 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 77) : and the highlanders got a good beating last week against the brumbies… and yet, they smashed us to pieces.

    I know we are shit, just strugling to gauge how shit we really are

  • Comment 80, posted at 02.05.15 08:14:55 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • For those who say gold is not the one on the field messing up. If we were winning we would be crediting him as a good coach. Now that we are losing we must also be able to put it on him as a poor coach. It cuts both ways. I say he is the man in charge and responsible for everything leading up to the game. And a game is not just the 80 minutes we see but everything in preparation of that game too. So if players cannot defend or string together 3 passes or perform in their position or be chosen in the right positions, then hell yes he is 100 percent accountable. The defense and incompetence are symptoms but the cause, the disease is poor coaching and management decisions.

  • Comment 81, posted at 02.05.15 08:27:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Steyn should start at ft not Centre. All the tries yesterday were scored on wing. Because we have an obvious defence flaw there and at 15. Odwa out. Frans at 15 sithole at 13 and Esterhuizen at 12 or Williams at 12. Start Cronje at 10 what do we have to lose the current plan is a 50 point failure even if we lose by 15 it’s still improvement. But this won’t happen cause our coach is determined to grind us into the dust with his current plan. So next week more of the same and maybe some Waylon Murray in for good measure.

  • Comment 82, posted at 02.05.15 08:38:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Steyn at fullback. Damn autocomplete

  • Comment 83, posted at 02.05.15 08:40:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 82) : Our DoR seems be spending all his time coaching his assistant coaches…no wonder the guys on the field look under prepared.

    It is one giant mess, and our rookie Ceo stands at the helm of this current massacre.

    Then again, our Ceo also did not appoint himself…so it boils down to the board of directors putting a rookie in charge of a team supposed to compete for the no. 1 spot.

  • Comment 84, posted at 02.05.15 08:58:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Thought experiment: let’s say all Sharksworld’s latest rounds of dreams were granted. Strauli takes over from Smit as CEO. All coaches are booted and Muir and Plumtree are welcomed back with open arms. Mountain biking as a hobby is banned. Yet we continue taking beatings and the coaches imply we’re at least a year out from building a winning culture. I can’t imagine the majority not jumping back on the ‘fire the coaches’ bandwagon again.

    Point being, we’re in a situation where we’ll have to start practicing some patience with coaching staff, whether it be with Gold and co or replacements. Team belief/confidence isn’t restored overnight in a situation like this even if Dr Phil takes over the coaching.

  • Comment 85, posted at 02.05.15 09:11:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • What a mess what a mess!

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.05.15 09:22:17 by benji Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 85) : nonsense with proper coaches everything can be instilled at any point

  • Comment 87, posted at 02.05.15 09:25:51 by benji Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 84) : smacks of the Chelsea syndrome not so

  • Comment 88, posted at 02.05.15 09:27:32 by benji Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 85) : On a unrelated note, would you be interested in going to the Modest Mouse concert tomorrow? I have a spare ticket, and it’s free

  • Comment 89, posted at 02.05.15 09:33:13 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Wentzel was recorded as remarking after the game that its hard to see any positives. Ja, that’s putting it diplomatically. I think the less said by anybody in authority at the Sharks the better. The next word should be action on a field of play. I note that Gold, the assistant coaches, John Smit and Venter are all silent. There is really nothing left to say. Perhaps on a ridiculous note, the coaches should leave the players to their own devices to see what self-organizing principles occur. Could it be worse than the situation with them being coached? As a fan, I feel robbed and let down

  • Comment 90, posted at 02.05.15 10:20:59 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 43) : It seems evident now that hiring a director of rugby(whatever that actually is) unable to start until just about the actual kick-off of the first game, with a technical director popping his head in every now and again, with seemingly unqualified assistant coaches was not a good plan. Too much left to chance and good luck, and not enough to organization and hard work. The Sharks look completely un-drilled when they take the field.

  • Comment 91, posted at 02.05.15 10:29:35 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 87) : Go read the post again and you’ll notice I’m not debating quality of coaching but rather timeframe. I actually agree that anything can be instilled given the rigbt staff but how much time is required for lasting change?

  • Comment 92, posted at 02.05.15 11:04:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 89) : Sent you a message on Facebook. Would have loved to but timing is not great. Details in the message.

  • Comment 93, posted at 02.05.15 11:07:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 85) : Anyone wanting Plum and Rudolf back needs to remember how successful we were when they were at the union – no SR silverware.

    Only dogs return to their vomit…Sharks need coaches with proven pedigree.

    First fix has to be the defense…we seem to employ the Sunday defensive structure: holy…gapingly holy

    And a backline coach with technical abilities (proven pedigree) – Sean Everit (probably a very nice guy in life) has never shown any promise as a coach.

    Super Rugby should not be used as a training ground to nanny inexperienced coaches…that’s what club, varsity, voda-cup and age-group rugby is for.

  • Comment 94, posted at 02.05.15 11:29:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 91) : Our DoR is currently doing the job of a head coach, because there is currently no head coach employed (other than our 3 blind mice).

    Our Ceo seems to be handling a lot of the DoR affairs…Sharks management structure is a bit comical at the moment – lot’s of big titles being thrown around, with diminished job descriptions.

  • Comment 95, posted at 02.05.15 11:34:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 85) : no brother with that attitude Kevin Putt would still be our coach. Theyve gotta go. the lot of them. Smit first. He was the one trying to reinvent the wheel that wasnt that badly broken in the first place

  • Comment 96, posted at 02.05.15 11:44:09 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Hey look, if john Smit is not working out as CEO there are other ex Sharks legends that could give the job a try. We could see how guys like Butch James, Henry Honniball and maybe Kabous vd Westhuizen cope in the job. All of them great guys and stalwart Sharks legends, much the same qualifications as our present CEO had before they hired him.

  • Comment 97, posted at 02.05.15 11:49:09 by jonnow Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 96) : There’s no attitude. You’re reading things into the comment that aren’t there. I’m not arguing for the current coaches to stay or go. I’m simply asking are we as supporters patient enough to see out this thing being fixed properly by whoever’s in charge (whether it be Gold or someone else)?

  • Comment 98, posted at 02.05.15 11:56:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 98) : :grin: sorry man reading my post again now I did sound like a “dwis” there. :oops:

  • Comment 99, posted at 02.05.15 12:06:43 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 98) : I see the rebels are busy messing up everyones superbru…

  • Comment 100, posted at 02.05.15 12:07:43 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • I’m not even angry – I knew this was coming. Well a few of us knew that we will be slaughtered on this tour. Some people even thought the return of Bismark might make a change – surprise surprise – it didn’t. And it will not get any better next week boys – even with old Fransie back. A lot of dead weight need to be cut during the off season and that includes assistant coaches and the like. Tough times ahead for us Sharks supporters :sad:

  • Comment 101, posted at 02.05.15 12:30:53 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • We would do well to remember that this very same team gave the Sharks a snotklap at home under the guidance of JW.

    If I recall it was also due to a combination of poor kicking and poor defence. It seems our new coaching staff did not learn that lesson either – going into this game with a very risky kicking plan.

  • Comment 102, posted at 02.05.15 12:33:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Our players kick according to a formula, whereas the Highlander kickers actually think before they kick. Their kicks were aimed at space with a clear idea to result in a positive result whereas most of ours simply handed over possession to lethal players with no chaser in sight.

  • Comment 103, posted at 02.05.15 12:41:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 102) : Kicking and Defense (Horak)…that area requires immediate and decisive action.

    Once that is fixed….turn attention (and trimming knife) to that woeful backline of ours, which is neither defending nor attacking.

  • Comment 104, posted at 02.05.15 12:43:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 103) : The Chiefs th prop showed greater awareness just now, with his kick down field against the Rebels. :roll:

  • Comment 105, posted at 02.05.15 12:45:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Some really random refering … different rule book

  • Comment 106, posted at 02.05.15 13:09:52 by byron Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 99) : Not at all mate. I just didn’t want my original post to devolve into a debate about whether Gary should stay or go. Even if one likes the coach (which I happen to) it’s very difficult to defend his results at the moment, so in my mind it’s almost pointless to waste time arguing about that. I would still love to know how patient we would be with yet another regime change.

  • Comment 107, posted at 02.05.15 13:34:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • A random example from another sport. Aston Villa were floundering in the relegation zone under Paul Lambert. The players had lost faith in him and it showed in the results. They were in the relegation places. Lambert was sacked and Tim Sherwood appointed manager. The players responded resoundingly to the new regime and within a few games Villa were out of the relegation zone and had beaten Liverpool in the FA Cup semi final… do not under estimate the positive influence of regime change in a poisonous team environment.

  • Comment 108, posted at 02.05.15 13:49:46 by Feather Reply

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  • It doesn’t always mean that a new coach has to “build”. Fuck that. Jake White got this team winning from match 1.

  • Comment 109, posted at 02.05.15 13:51:03 by Feather Reply

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  • I find it quite laughable where some of the palookas on this site a aportionate the blame for our current demise.
    All the guys blaming BMH ,SE ,and Anthony are the first ones to tell you that these guys had nothing to do with us winning the Currie Cup that was soley Brendan Venter’s doing.
    All the guys blaming John Smit,probably couldn’t list one C.E.O at any other union.
    The blame must rest solely with the D.O.R. and the Technical D.O.R.
    These are the guys who take the glory ,these arei the guys who must take the blame.
    Hell when we lost to the Brumbies last year did anyone blame Rees and Bashy,like hell it was all Jakes fault.
    Gold and Venter,are the ones responsible for this mess.It took 8 games to realise how dismal S.P was and 11 games in we still have no fullback,and please by all things holy even Hoffman’s mother must realise how crap he is,and Gold and Venter can’t see it.

  • Comment 110, posted at 02.05.15 13:54:28 by The hound Reply
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  • On another note most of the things that suck at the Sharks are technical things,when was the last time anyone saw our technical director anywhere near this team.

  • Comment 111, posted at 02.05.15 13:57:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 110) : could it be that NONE of the coaches including Gold and the rest of the schoolboy lot are not up to it?

    Ad I said in a previous post:

    Rookie CEO

    Journeyman DOR with not a single successful stint on his track record

    Mostly absent TD who jas his head up Saracen’s arse

    Every single assistant coach is in his first big coaching gig

  • Comment 112, posted at 02.05.15 14:19:24 by Feather Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 107) : @The hound (Comment 110) : @Feather (Comment 112) : Just to raise the point again; BMH was appointed as head coach. Jake White and Gary Gold were both appointed as DoR’s, not head coaches, yet both ended up acting as de facto head coaches. So was the problem their egos, poorly defined post requirements, or a head coach that is out of his depth? I don’t presume to have the answers, it’s just some food for thought

  • Comment 113, posted at 02.05.15 15:07:44 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 113) : It’s very simple when we win everyone claims it, when we lose it’s Brad,Sean and Paul’s fault.

  • Comment 114, posted at 02.05.15 15:13:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 108) : I wonder if an apples to apples comparison can be made between rugby and soccer (soccer doesn’t have to deal with the unholy mess known as the breakdown) but interesting contribution nonetheless.

    On a completely different point, the threat of relegation may have done the Sharks a world of good this season.

  • Comment 115, posted at 02.05.15 15:23:03 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 110) : You conveniently forget to mention last year’s failed CC campaign…

  • Comment 116, posted at 02.05.15 15:23:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : It’s simple really:

    2013: 3 schoolboy coaches + Venter = CC victory
    2014: 3 schoolboy coaches + JW = SR conference victory
    2014: 3 schoolboy coaches + N/A = CC failure

    Therefore: 3 schoolboy coaches [minus] Nanny = failure

  • Comment 117, posted at 02.05.15 15:29:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 117) : So whose fault is this then,the assistant coaches???????Remember this time we also have a Venter pointed defence coach.
    But hey man lets blame it on Brad and Sean.

  • Comment 118, posted at 02.05.15 15:48:13 by The hound Reply
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  • Watching Robert du Preez running circles around FS from flyhalf….whilst simple non value adding Fred represents the Sharks. Simple non value adding Fred is not even in the top 10 of flyhalfs in SA….

  • Comment 119, posted at 02.05.15 16:02:11 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 118) : Venter would have worked very well as technical director, except he’s never around….Mitchel should be appointed in his place.

    Defense coach…absolute failure.

    So for me, fire Horak and the three assistants (of whom 1 is supposedly the head coach :shock: ), and replace Venter with Mitchel.

    Mitchel’s fiery personality will be offset by Gold’s more “fatherly” personality…and allow Gold to appoint his own assistants.

  • Comment 120, posted at 02.05.15 16:35:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 115) : it’s basic psychology 101 mate. Assume you are an office worker reporting to a line manager. Your line manager does not have a clue (we all have experience of an incompetent boss at some stage of our life). It drags you down. Your morale suffers. You don’t put your all into your job because you don’t see the use. It drags the whole office team around you down. You lose faith in your position and objective.

    A new broom sweeps clean.

    Imagine the positive influence of replacing the incompetent boss with a person who comes in with a track record of success and who clearly knows what he is doing. Who speaks from a different angle, one you and the team around you fully buy into.

    Not only is your mood lifted, but you try hard even harder to impress the new boss. You want to make your position secure.

    Look what happened when Putt was replaced as coach (if you read Smit’s book you will appreciate how poisonous the team environment was under Putt and it showed in the results – just like this year).

    Something has to give. This of course all assumes there is a poisonous environment at the Sharks but this team and these players losing 52-10 and 48-15 I think we can all rightly assume there are major problems somewhere in the production line.

  • Comment 121, posted at 02.05.15 16:51:06 by Feather Reply

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  • Any score in the Sharks XV game?

  • Comment 122, posted at 02.05.15 17:56:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 122) : we lost 24-27. Try in the dying minutes after we’d led the whole way through.

  • Comment 123, posted at 02.05.15 18:00:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 116) : @Feather (Comment 121) : or maybe the reason for this stellar season can be caused by having 6 head coaches since the start of the 2013 season?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

  • Comment 124, posted at 02.05.15 18:33:54 by JD Reply
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  • @Phil46 (Comment 31) : Saad did something already – the Sharks as they are now, thats Saad and his board. :oops:

  • Comment 125, posted at 02.05.15 18:36:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Has Nick Groom ever fed a scrum legally and worse still has any ref ever penalised him for cheating week in and week out.

  • Comment 126, posted at 02.05.15 18:39:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Streamers lose….now just need the Lions to win…Toulon to win and the big one…PAC-MAN to win, and my supporter box will feel a whole lot better. :grin:

  • Comment 127, posted at 02.05.15 19:00:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Coleman probably just made way for one of the younger WP flyhalves after that performance.

  • Comment 128, posted at 02.05.15 19:03:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 123) : ai tog…thanks for the score – any news on how Jordaan did?

    @JD (Comment 124) : That certainly must’ve had an impact…but all that just points back to our rookie Ceo again.

    We need a few quick fixes right now…my solution as outlined in this comment: @FireTheLooser (Comment 120) :

  • Comment 129, posted at 02.05.15 19:04:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 121) : if you read Johns book, you can assume that environment was created over a number of years. There was too little time for Gary to have created that. Unless of course if Gary has just inherited an all ready toxic environment, created by his predecessors in 2014.

  • Comment 130, posted at 02.05.15 19:09:05 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 127) : looking at that log the cheetahs also only won 4, same as sharks… and yet we bash our team every week, expecting more and better

    Major difference, cheetahs are playing great rugby as a TEAM.

  • Comment 131, posted at 02.05.15 19:12:03 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 123) : we cant buy a win for a million bucks at the moment :cry:

  • Comment 132, posted at 02.05.15 19:15:36 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 18) :

    Hear hear! I agree with every word you wrote! It’s like the true Sharks have left the planet – so depressing!

  • Comment 133, posted at 02.05.15 19:37:24 by [email protected] Reply

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  • How the hell did we not keep Jessie Kriel????

    Guy is brilliant at 15 for the bulls. And he is a born and bred KZN boytjie

  • Comment 134, posted at 02.05.15 19:49:20 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 134) : Just do a search here on Sharksworld. Rob has answered that question on so many occasions.

  • Comment 135, posted at 02.05.15 19:57:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 135) : yah, I know. Just reiterating the point.

    Looking at the last two games, the sharks will not be able to cope with any of these 4 teams at the moment.

  • Comment 136, posted at 02.05.15 20:29:47 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • What’s up the constant loopy passing of the Lions? The whole team’s being doing it all game long.

  • Comment 137, posted at 02.05.15 20:49:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 134) : How did we lose Warren Whitley there’s a born and bred Natal boy and the one integral part our team, is sorely missing,a leader.
    I reckon we should purge our whole team buy Whitely and start rebuilding around him.
    Watching this guy is a joy he really looks like he loves playing in contrast to most of our guys who look like they would love to be any where else.

  • Comment 138, posted at 03.05.15 01:25:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 85) : I did your thought experiment and my results were that had they not fired JW they would have been strong play-off contenders right now. Ditto for if they had kept on van Zyl, Plumtree and Strauli.

    Obviously then, the problem is not with the current coaches, but rather with the guy/s that did the firing and hiring.

  • Comment 139, posted at 03.05.15 02:34:35 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 110) :

    I’d say not being able to name the CEO of a union is a good thing. Celebrity and popularity adds no value there.

  • Comment 140, posted at 03.05.15 02:43:39 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 139) : So true.

  • Comment 141, posted at 03.05.15 10:06:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Don’t know how reliable this is but I read on twitter that Cobus Reinach has returned home with a broken hand. Expect to see more of Hoffman if that’s the case. #sarcasticyay

  • Comment 142, posted at 03.05.15 10:06:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • This is now pissing me off. The Cape Classic was one thing, but now this too. Aikona, not impressed.

    http://abrmotoring.co.za/index.php/motorsport/1129-former-springbok-rugby-captain-to-compete-on-sugarbelt-450

  • Comment 143, posted at 03.05.15 10:09:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I haven’t seen those dreadful “rugby-ginners” adds this weekend…this might be the first smart thing done this season.

  • Comment 144, posted at 03.05.15 10:17:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 142) : Looking on the positive side, at least now Ungerer * has* to be in the match day squad. Hopefully he gets to make his way on the field, and plays such a blinder that Zoolandef is relegated to laundry duty for the rest of eternity.

    The one concern obviously being that while simply being on the field and conscious should already make him better than Zoolander, I have a genuine concern at our coaches’ collective ability to see this, which might see Zoolander entrenched as starting option.

  • Comment 145, posted at 03.05.15 10:17:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 143) : Maybe we need Smit to be as far away from the business of running the Sharks…he should stick to running the PR show, and leave the CEO-ing to real professionals. ;-)

  • Comment 146, posted at 03.05.15 10:26:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 146) : Well considering how things are panning out for the Sharks maybe he should be with the team motivating them to greater heights, after all he is a Springbok winning captain,,the great motivator as such. That would also bring him in the proximity of Plum who no doubt will have many a wise word to offer Smit.

  • Comment 147, posted at 03.05.15 10:39:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 146) : But where are these “real professionals”?

  • Comment 148, posted at 03.05.15 10:42:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 147) : And sadly the PR being done is for the Sugarbelt 500 and not the Sharks, who Im sure are becoming harder and harder to sell.

  • Comment 149, posted at 03.05.15 10:44:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 148) : I’m hoping that there is some backroom staff…maybe Smit has an over qualified PA doing his CEO duties.

    At the end of the day, Gold should be allowed to fix this mess using any means necessary…if he then fails, then it is time to move on.

    Smit should stick to the backroom running of the company (I have no idea what exactly qualifies him for this, but he’s been appointed in this role – so he needs to stick to that part of things)

  • Comment 150, posted at 03.05.15 16:29:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 150) : While you’re on the topic, that should actually be a new criteria at the Sharks; everyone do the job they were appointed for. So no more coaching from Gold, some actual coaching from BMH, and Smit confined to the boardroom. And whoever then fails to perform to expectation in a reasonable time should be shown the door.

    And show Zoolander the door now. Just make sure it’s on his left.

  • Comment 151, posted at 03.05.15 16:32:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 151) : :)

  • Comment 152, posted at 03.05.15 18:29:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 151) : :lol:

    I agree :!:

  • Comment 153, posted at 03.05.15 18:43:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Wow was i pissed off watching this Sharks game…their execution of the basics was shocking and there is no heart or passion in defense..they look like they dont care- i am generalising. Zeilinga was so far back in the pocket he may as well have played 15. And which coach says kick the ball to that back 3? I mean are you serious? The lack of discipline and application is very evident at training…players want the easy life and its showing in their results. Not even a win in the remaining games will save face- this season has been an embarrassment and i just cant believe that coaches at that level are not competent to make the tough hard quick decisions as they are needed! Why only change Zelinga in 2nd half- i would have pulled him after 5min. Same with Odwa or JPP…i know subs were limited but i think Giant would cover more ground than Odwa at the back. Yes im harsh but someone has to be harsh with these guys…hugs are getting results.

  • Comment 154, posted at 04.05.15 08:35:18 by SheldonK Reply

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