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No words – only sadness


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 4 May 2015 at 11:06
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It’s a bank holiday here today, so I hope you’ll excuse my silence, at least for the time being.

The reality is, even if it were a normal day, I’m not sure I’d really know what to write. I can’t honestly recall when last I felt quite so despondent about the Sharks or their prospects.

Last week, I asked you all to get behind the boys on tour. We did that and they took another hammering. Perhaps the biggest disappointment was the step back on defence; or perhaps they never really took a step forward at all, but were made to think that they had due to the Bulls’ poor attacking play? Whatever the case, with morale now sure to be even worse, added to some fresh injury woes, the chances of an improved performance against New Zealand’s best side do not look good.

What is there to say? Will it help if I start to properly stick the knife in? I’m not sure that it will. All that I know for sure is that this is going to get worse before it gets better – and I can honestly say that I don’t see how it’s going to get better. And that hurts like hell.

I love the Sharks, but right now, they’re breaking my heart.



115 Comments

  • No point in rehashing the shortcomings so enjoy the holiday boss!

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.05.15 11:10:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • You can be sure Plum is rubbing his gands with glee and I cant blane him….I wonder if any of our boys barring Marcel and Reinach feel like they are going to get a green jersey in RWC year no matter what. …something drastic needs to happen so we have a future and tjose players leaving post Rwc may as well leave now abd rest!

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.05.15 11:10:48 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • You have actually been quietish for a while now, understandably.

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.05.15 11:11:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Damn cellphone predictive text!

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.05.15 11:11:26 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • The third last sentence is the most crucial.

    Neither can I.

    I cannot see how the current environment is going yo fix itself.

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.05.15 11:16:45 by Feather Reply

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  • What is pretty evident is that since Plum has left he has reached new heights, something the Sharks cannot say about them selves. He was obviously way better coach (than what most people here seem to believe).

    The only way this is going to be fixed is by replacing the whole team, coaches and CEO much like what happened in the DM era.

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.05.15 11:20:09 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Thanks Rob. This sums up my feelings to. the. point. And I am sure the majority of Sharks supporters as well. Terrible, tragic state of affairs.

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.05.15 11:21:37 by Another Nick Reply

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  • …dude…

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.05.15 11:21:40 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 6) : hold on. Since Plum left Jake White coached us to the top of the conference. That’s something Plumtree was never able to do.

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.05.15 11:26:48 by Feather Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 6) : “Plum has reached new heights”…really?

    He went from being head coach at the Sharks to being Assistant coach at the Irish, down to Assistant coach at the Hurricances…to me, he went backwards, and is doing no better than when he was assistant coach at the Sharks (2007 season saw the Sharks in the same position as the 2015 ‘Canes)

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.05.15 11:28:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 6) : Exactly, he went from here to become Irelands scrum coach – thats a massive appointment. How could they have seen his value while we were organising $%^%*& Facebook campaigns to have him removed.

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.05.15 11:29:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I believe the decision to let Jake White go was far more calamitous than letting Plumtree go.

    Plumtree had many years in the job and had plateaued. In the same time Plumtree was at the helm the Bulls won Super Rugby twice.

    I’m not taking anything away from Plumtree. Maybe he has found a better environment in Wellington? Woe betide maybe he has a better and more skilful set of players at his disposal? Maybe all the Hurricanes needed was a coach with Plumtree’s skill set?

    But no, Plumtree had his time at the Sharks. It was mostly enjoyable too and he came close but truth be told it never really looked like he had enough to win Super Rugby with the Sharks.

    In 2013 it was obvious the Sharks needed a new set of guiding hands if they wanted to ho even further.

    We all rejoiced at the appointment of Jake White. Maybe HIS loss was tbe real kicker?

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.05.15 11:34:16 by Feather Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : Assistant coach to the 3rd ranked team in the world is a step up from coaching a Super Rugby franchise team. He returned to New Zealand for family reasons,….and to taunt his haters while adding massive value to the team he now helps coach.

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.05.15 11:35:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : Oh really, he helped won the 6 nations sir, as well as helping the Canes to top as of now…

    @Feather (Comment 9) : True, however Plum got us to a final something JW couldn’t do. So trying to compare apples with apples in that sense has no bearing.

    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : Never said it was massive boet, what I am saying is, each side since he has left has preformed better than usual since joining them. being a CEO of a kak team and being a scrum coach of a top team, which team would you rather be associated to?

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.05.15 11:37:15 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Plumtree is one of the best forwards coaches around. But head coach? No.

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.05.15 11:37:50 by Feather Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 14) : Plum had six bites at that apple though ;-)

    And still we never won it.

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.05.15 11:39:16 by Feather Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : @Feather (Comment 12) : Its not only about Plumtree – his started an exodus of a huge amount of rugby and business smarts – the vacuum is becoming more glaring as the weeks go by.

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.05.15 11:41:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 16) : Well no Sharks coach has ever won it. So now Mac is also a kak coach?

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.05.15 11:42:55 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 3) : I’m conflicted, Salmo.

    I genuinely believed John was the right man to take us forward. That faith is wavering day by day, but my (perhaps misguided) sense of loyalty is getting in the way.

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.05.15 11:43:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 14) : Thats what I said , being assistant coach to a top international team is a massive appointmnet.

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.05.15 11:44:36 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • My point was only to highlight how he was “handled” in the firing and now plays against us as whatever coach of the Canes. ..this weekend will be sweet for him thats all…sort of “give back to John”…

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.05.15 11:46:26 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • Interesting search term in my server log. “john smit you’re a f*cking dick head sharks”….

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.05.15 11:47:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 17) : agreed.

    @Uli Boelie (Comment 18) : if I’d said to you in 1996 that in two decades of Super Rugby the Sharks would never win it, you would never have believed me. It would have saved you a lot of pain though! Look, neither have the Hurricanes (who with us are probably the two best teams never to have won it). They seemed to have followed the right path recently. We’ve followed the low road. Whilst it really galls me that potentially another virgin team will win it before the Sharks (following hot on the heals of the Reds, Chiefs and Waratahs) at least it says to me if we can get our shit together there is absolutely no reason why we cannot win this damn thing.

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.05.15 11:50:22 by Feather Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 14) : As head coach? No

    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 13) : And he is still merely an assistant coach.

    Show me his credentials as head coach please ;-)

    Johan van Graan (who?! ;-) ) helped the Boks beat the AB’s – would I want him as head coach of the Sharks – hell no !

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.05.15 11:51:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Well, it seems the team last had smiles on their faces and looked like they were enjoying rugby was the first match against the lions. If nothing else it sucks to see a bunch of professional athletes just going through the motions. Watching the Sharks is like that for me, mostly muscle memory without the joy

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.05.15 12:00:05 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 24) : If I offered you Plumtree today, Ill throw in Straueli for free just for you, would you take him or not?

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.05.15 12:02:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 21) : I think the point most are missing here is that when B.J and his cronies were fired, for reasons that never surfaced ,and John was appointed it was pointless not continuing the cull.
    Plum is a good man and I have a personal friendship with him dating back to his days as a player at the Sharks.But he had lost it,when he appointed a 50 kg overweight Frans Steyn as captain you could see he wasn’t in control anymore,there was another force in place at the Sharks that were pulling the strings.
    Jake White was not brought in by John but by Brendan Venter.
    Jake tried to take back control of the team and when he did,the other force must have gained Venter’s backing to get rid of Jake.
    Venter must have been consulted in the appointment of Gold and agreed to caretake the pre season till Gold’s late arrival.Something he has admitted he failed to do.
    Apart from pointing Horak who must have played with him in England,and bringing in Stevens and Botha from his other club Saracens,what the fuck else has he done to earn his rumoured R5 million a year.

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.05.15 12:04:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 20) : true

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 24) : Would I want GG as Sharks head coach. NO, Do I want JS as Sharks CEO def no.
    Being a top captain doesn’t mean you know how to be CEO or being a coach of a team. Its a total different ball game.

    @robdylan (Comment 22) : I couldn’t help my self but laugh now. :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.05.15 12:05:46 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Again, Plumtree had six Super Rugby campaigns to win it. That ship never had it in it to circumnavigate the globe and besides, has sailed off into the sunset anyway.

    The one final we got to, after finishing 6th on the log, we were blown away.

    Still those 2 consecutive games against the Reds and Stormers were two of the most enjoyable Sharks games I have watched. Some blistering tries and magnificent off loads.

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.05.15 12:07:54 by Feather Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 27) : Horak …. The best defensive coach to get a backline not to tackle.

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.05.15 12:07:59 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • What hurts is watching the heart, dedication and skill displayed by the likes of Drew Mitchell or Bakkies Botha playing for a french club side, while our boys look and play like they’d rather be anywhere else but on a rugby field representing the black and white.

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.05.15 12:08:33 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 26) : As assistant coach or head coach? (I’ll take him as assistant coach any day of the week, the man is the best assistant coach any team could dream for – including the Boks and the kiwis)

    I do not want Stroolsie. For all the good he did, I still remember the Mapoe debacle and the contract crusading against the Lions, that sure put the Sharks in a very bad light.

    Look Salmo, I’m as agrieved (if not more so) as both you and Uli, but going back to what we previously had will not win us a SR trophy…sadly Smit has bumbled from one rookie mistake to the next, and I truly believe that there’s just no money in the coffer to afford solutions to the glaring problems.

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.05.15 12:09:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • A successful rugby organisation can not exist if one only look at the coach in isolation, or the DOR in isolation or even the CEO in isolation – it is the structure in which all of them operate as a team and with common goals that makes you successful.

    An example if I may.

    Frans Ludeke as Lions coach probably had the record for the worst Super Rugby coach in history. Was he that kak a coach? Two Super Rugby titles at the Bulls suggests no…

    But then again, consider the state the Lions was in, the Gumede saga, their CEO at the time etc etc.

    Frans has achieved great success at the Bulls, something you would never have said while he was at the Lions.

    And speaking of the Lions, just look at their turn-around but more importantly to what it is owed.

    First they get Straeuli in as DOR (he is now CEO of course), then they get a relative rookie coach in who from memory never really coached at any level close to Super Rugby in Ackers – but a guy who is supremely disciplined, has a deep connection with the union, and works brilliantly with his CEO or structures within the union.

    I think all would agree the Lions are a team setting themselves up for years of success in the near future if their upward trend continues.

    So back to the Sharks…

    Are any of the coaches really not good enough (BMH, Horak, etc), is the DOR useless or the CEO for that matter?

    Why did Plumtree not reach the heights at the Sharks he did when he helped Ireland win a 6N? Or the Canes currently top of the log? Why isn’t Horak reaching these heights, or BMH whom I have met personally and reckon he could be as good as any other…???

    When I was still blogging back in the day, and defended every Bok coach known to man I always tried to remind folks that when you want to fix anything perceived (and I used perceived deliberately) to be wrong, it is vitally important to treat the disease, not just the symptom.

    What will firing Horak, BMH, or even Gold really achieve? I ask this honestly because whether I, or anyone else rate them or not, the problem(s) seems to be rooted much deeper within the Sharks than just firing folks who are easy targets because they are in the firing line.

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.05.15 12:12:31 by Morné Reply
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  • I also believe that finances must have played a role in: hiring the rookie coaches (must have been as cheap as chips), Goofy Gold’s appointment (he’s hardly a big name in world rugby) n, the signing of middle aged journeymen players and quite possibly the eagerness at which White was dumped.

    I’m not sure our coffers ate in the rosiest state.

    Whatever was that Deloitte or PwC or KPMG report into financial malpractice all about? Seems it was swept under the carpet.

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.05.15 12:15:26 by Feather Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 33) : hell yes, there has to be a serious structural problem spanning 20 years if the Sharks can not win the trophy once (but make the final four times).

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.05.15 12:19:27 by Feather Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 33) : Don’t just stop there. What is the root problem with the Sharks?

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.05.15 12:19:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 32) : Please can you enlighten us as to what John should have done as a C.E.O. that he hasn’t done,I mean compared to the wonderful things Theofelo does or Kevin de Klerk,in his first two years.
    You seem to have a serious vendetta with the man backed up by very little substance.
    I only know that the union this year posted results up R22 million on the previous year.
    When you say there is no money in the coffers what are you basing it on.
    Please add a little substance to your vitriolic innuendo.

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.05.15 12:19:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 33) : I agree to a extend, and also believe the issues are much deeper than we think. But the thing is, do you think fresh personnel from a players perspective would make good? Take it as such you have say Vodacom or u21 players who all sit under the same umbrella. What makes you think that the up and coming players would listen to coaches who has thus far showed no reasonable credit to the work they have done?

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.05.15 12:21:06 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : What I always ask myself is how many appointments and dismissals have JS made on a intellectual and not personal level.

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.05.15 12:27:58 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : Have a read through this article: http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/aimless-sharks-need-fins-1.1852976#.VUdJPpOGPYk

    Then my comments here: http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2015/05/04/at-sixes-and-sevens/#comment-516833

    And hopefully with some basic Addition skills, you’ll figure out what I’m basing my views on ;-)

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.05.15 12:30:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : If that R22m is true, it might be more of a reflection on fuckups made last year than successes this year.

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.05.15 12:30:07 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 41) : example paying out 2 coaches midway through there contracts…

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.05.15 12:30:53 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 38) :

    The problem is almost never the coaches, not at this level not in my experience – but rather the environment under which they operate and the synergy between all of them (up to upper management).

    A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that from a pure observational perspective there are issues with the overall culture at the union. It is a broad observation, because culture is driven by many individuals in such a big organisation.

    That said however, it is up to very specific individuals to instil and drive a culture which may be lacking.

    Do you have the best CEO in the world? Doesn’t look like it now but that can change very quickly… The best DOR – same thing, and so it goes for all your coaches.

    I get an uneasy feeling about a revolutionary mindset amongst lesser important, but also vital individuals, specifically players or some players that are perhaps rejecting the efforts of the guys at the top.

    At some stage you must implement a FIFO mindset especially amongst your player corps.

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.05.15 12:36:05 by Morné Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 41) : I presume the books are audited ,so the figures are probably correct.
    I just put that out because this turkey keeps on shouting that the union is bankrupt,its not.
    Hell Steven Saad is probably the most successful businessman in South Africa,why would he publish crooked books.

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.05.15 12:36:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 33) : Culture.

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.05.15 12:40:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 44) : Turkey? gobble gobble gobble :twisted:

    Look, I’m not a financial guru by any stretch of the imagination, but from my understanding the 22mil was an increase in revenue…they did however not publish their expenditure numbers, which could possibly include JW’s exorbitant contract fees to the Brumbies.

    Of course, I hope I am completely wrong, nothing would give me greater pleasure than admitting how wrong I am.

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.05.15 12:47:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I ask you all this… remember Mr. Kevin Putt? He was a player become coach… that was a disaster. Now perhaps a player become CEO sounds safer, but some decisions that are made will ultimately filter down to the team and does that make the two any different?

    I’m not saying we can put the entire blame in front a of JS doorstep, but perhaps less time on the bike and more time in the office will help. JS must also learn that he is now the CEO of a company and can’t think like a player/captain anymore. He needs to consider taking a massive mind shift and reevaluate his decision making.

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.05.15 12:55:17 by Farlington Reply

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  • What exactly was the R22m? What is a “result” as in “results up R22m”?

    Revenue or profit or what?

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.05.15 12:56:18 by Feather Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 46) : Maybe you shouldn’t make such sweeping and libellous statements on things you don ‘t understand.
    Sharks are a great brand in fact a phenomenal brand and that is what will survive.
    You calculate the true value of a brand.when its at rock bottom and we have been here before.

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.05.15 12:57:31 by The hound Reply
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  • Where can I find the audited annual accounts?

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.05.15 13:01:17 by Feather Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 49) : I’m not saying the brand will not survive (you seem to make all manner of conclusions here all by yourself), I’m saying that right now, the monetary state of the franchise is not healthy enough to buy anything better than currently on their books.

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.05.15 13:01:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I’m with you on that one Boss. Everyday I am here, reading, everyday I refrain from writing. Looking ahead to 2016 with serious eyes, to see post RWC exodus if we can get something right. Hard decisions need made, and changes in management need made.

    Until then, Mr. Otto, enjoy your holiday Squire.

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.05.15 13:01:56 by Richard Reply

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  • Some sage advice from a Sharks great:

    http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/andrews-tip-to-fix-the-sharks-1.1853335#.VUdRb_mqqQI

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.05.15 13:02:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : That might be true, but I also get the same feeling about the coaching staff.
    a Good man doesn’t necessarily make a good coach. The same can be said about a CEO.
    There is a big drive to “coach” the coaches that are there. Its not that simple. Players needs to trust the coaching staff.
    The dynamics of players for coaching staff is what makes your team have culture and win. The Admin side of things can be a mess, yet you can still have a happy Team (with team I include players and coaching staff) and still win.

    I also hear Gold is still living in Cape Town? Not sure how true this is, but if it is that’s another big issue.

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.05.15 13:02:55 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : Indeed, and it will be very interesting to see what develops going forward, the ominous and silent air around camp Kankowski comes to mind. The big names “klaar-uit” at the end of this season and opportunity abound to instill culture and gameplan, of which at current there is neither.

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.05.15 13:06:09 by Richard Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 53) : “We are the Sharks and nobody scores a point against us without sweating blood.” Mark Andrews

    Man I feel inspired to get my boots out the attic and put my body on the line.

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.05.15 13:07:52 by Feather Reply

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  • John Smit plays an administrative role; and it is only he that is getting stick out of all CEOs; had his decisions paid off different story, but that’s what happens when you have a celebrity in your ranks, oh wait, all the Sharks are celebrities. John Smit as CEO is under the spotlight 10 x more than any other CEO of a top Union, and that comes with the territory, history doesn’t favour him with a 2011 campaign that was one too far for the Boks – he is going to have to dig his heels in, as he will not escape the limelight, ever.

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.05.15 13:10:01 by Richard Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : to my knowledge Kevin de Klerk was never CEO of the Lions . We had Manie Reyneke , then Manie Booysen and now Straulie

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.05.15 13:15:13 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 47) : Craig Jamieson was also MD for Natal from January 1992 – February 1994. Which as far as I know didn’t go that well either.

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.05.15 13:17:57 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 58) : Yes President and CEO are two different jobs titles.

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.05.15 13:19:01 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Look on the bright side… how ever bad we’re feeling about the Sharks… it could be worse… I’m just flippin glad I’m not a Sharks player, Coach or CEO right now!!

    They’re all professionals, they’ve all been winners… and I’m sure this must be giving them all sleepless nights right now!

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.05.15 13:43:59 by CS Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 51) : Assuming they had the money… is there anything/anyone better and available right now to spend that money on?

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.05.15 13:46:36 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 61) : jeez one look at the players commitment and urgency on the field (or lack of it) and you wonder how much they really do care. Add passion too. They’re just going through the motions now and banking their pay cheques.

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.05.15 13:50:20 by Feather Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 33) : You’re absolutely right… only more often than not, finding the true cause of that disease is often harder than one thinks!

    It inveriably ends up in one getting rid of a lot of the “symptoms” which one though was the disease, until eventually one realises that wasn’t the true root of the problem afterall.

    Sometimes the disease is so embedded in the company, that only a total cleanout (with a lot of collateral damage) can fix the problem.

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.05.15 13:52:14 by CS Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 63) : Depression and dispair will do that to you

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.05.15 13:52:54 by CS Reply

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  • PSDT is aiming for a comeback as soon as Sharks last game of Superrugby versus Stormers.

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.05.15 13:53:26 by grant10 Reply

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  • In my humble opinion, the problem with the Sharks at the moment is that the whole set up is unhealthy and not a happy environment for anyone, players,supporters and management. There is the whole saying that the fish “rots” from the Head down. Is this the case with the Sharks? I believe so. The current CEO has had 4 different “head coaches” in 2 years. Not a healthy environment of projecting longevity and commitment. A successful organisation is built on a happy environment from top to bottom. The Sharks management feel so little for anyone other than the SR team that there is hardly any news on the Vodacom cup team on the official website and even less on events at the Academy. How are these guys supposed to feel part of the setup when they are not even recognized. I have read many posts about losing our “youngsters”, especially the props. Well I would also look for greener pastures if there was seemingly no viable opportunities at the Sharks. Then we see that the Sharks locks are “has beens” brought in from England. Why not blood youngsters. Why did we lost the Marais brothers last year? Surely there is something really wrong when we only lose the young players and not the established stars looking for a highly paid swangsong. We keep on going backwards, BV left when JW came, now he is back but cannot commit on a fulltime basis. What is that? GG is probably being paid huge bucks but is not the real man in charge. How do we play with 5 coaches? Unbelievable!!!!!!!!! The Sharks have a great brand and a great history but the current management are throwing it all away. The spectator numbers were always highest at the “tank”, but I shudder to see where they are now. The CEO needs to take responsibility, if any other company was producing such a “crap” core product then he would have been fired long ago. We must always understand that it is all about entertainment, and there is “zero” entertainment value at the moment. Yes, The players need to stand up and be counted, but they need the right environment to work in and I don’t think the CEO and Director of rugby are providing that. I get the impression they are on huge salaries and are only interested in “coining” it. Last week Mr Saad reported that the board was happy with Mr Smit, but only referred to the financial results. That will surely change once sponsors run away from a “loser” product, and the ticket sales drop. These comments from Mr Saad only sound like the “kiss of death” for the CEO. I don’t believe the players have any respect for the coach when their “old buddy” is the boss. I say, fire the CEO and the coach and start fresh. It may take a couple of years of building a successful team of management and players, but surely this is better than what is currently happening because the way we are going there is just absolutely no hope for the future.

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.05.15 13:55:49 by rob Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 12) : I agree fully

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.05.15 13:57:46 by benji Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 64) : My gut tells me, the “disease” Morne speaks of comes from two places:

    1) The Board – I don’t think John has the full backing of the board, many of whom had spent 20+ years working with Brian Van Zyl
    2) The players – specifically the 3 most senior players all of whom got red cards and lengthy suspensions in the last few weeks for utterly dispicable & foul play.

    I get the feeling the Sharks culture is being attacked from the top down (ie the Board) and the bottom up (ie certain influential players) right now

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.05.15 13:58:48 by CS Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : self honesty is all we can ask for and then this mess can start to be fixed

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.05.15 14:01:21 by benji Reply
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  • There is only one problem at the Sharks they are not a team.
    They are made up of a lot of different factions.
    At the top you have the Rudolph Strauelli scouted Grey college mercanaries Bismark, Jannie ,Frans Reinarch, Plum’s veterans,Odwa,Beast, Alberts,Lambie,
    ,then you have the left overs of the Hugh Reece Edwards Westville old boys crew, Chadwick,,Monde Hadebe,Cooper,You have the youngsters brought through by Sean from the Academy and his Junior team Marcel ,PSDT,Esterhuizen, Lewies,.and then the Venter transplants from Saracens, Stephens,Wentzel, Botha and the guys Gold brought back from Japan.JPP,Kanko,Dyzel,
    So many different factions

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.05.15 14:20:26 by The hound Reply
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  • I think I will stop watching. Once the big scandal has broken (the- what’s really happening behind the scenes scandal) and some heads roll and some changes can be made. Then I will start watching again. To me it’s the only explanation that makes sense. Else the franchise is on purpose trying to work it’s way to the bottom of the log…?

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.05.15 14:29:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : Gold did not bring back JPP and Kanko from Japan. They would have returned regardless of the coach.

    Are you sure these factions actually exist in this form at the Sharks? I am sure there are factions as in any organization / company.

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.05.15 14:34:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : dude every team I have been part of has had its own cliques and groups of mates. That in itself is not the reason.

    The issue with the Shsrks is that we have a more than usual number of that special breed of player who puts himself first before the team. Unfortunately they are now senior players. Frans Steyn Bismarck. These are two of the obvious ones. What price for the youngsters in this team looking up to these two?

    Reminds me of the effect Ollie le Roux had. He was the same. A doos.

    You can handle one, maybe two, in any team but when you start grouping three, four over the experienced spine of your team then you’re screwed.

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.05.15 14:36:25 by Feather Reply

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  • JP and Kanko also seem a little too big for their boots. Individuals. Not team players.

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.05.15 14:38:05 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 74) : Normally if you have a strong captain he can blend all the factions into a team.
    Oh for a Gary Teichman,a Tommy Bedford,a Wynand Claasens,a Warren Whitely sigh!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 76, posted at 04.05.15 14:45:17 by The hound Reply
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  • Lol @ Sport24: “If the Sharks didn’t have the rolling maul, they’d have nothing.”

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.05.15 14:47:42 by Feather Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : dare I say it, and Johnny Smit too.

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.05.15 14:49:22 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 77) : Kak man we have the Flasher girls,better than the Bruce Jenner lookalikes at the Bulls.

  • Comment 79, posted at 04.05.15 14:50:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 78) : Yup think of it we are going into week 12 and we are onto our fourth captain,and we wonder what the problem is

  • Comment 80, posted at 04.05.15 14:52:53 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : Yep, our girls are still the best.

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.05.15 14:55:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 81) : Thank God you agree,just waiting for Fire The Looser to come on and say that since Smitty took over they have also gone to the dogs.

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.05.15 15:03:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : I think this might be your problem . you guys bring in outsiders , then loose talented youngsters . once they shine at other unions you buy them back . only then they block other talented youngsters . the import leaves after 2 years and the talented youngster after 1 .

    back your own talent . i think it will go a long way

  • Comment 83, posted at 04.05.15 15:15:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 83) : Chum have you counted how many Natal boys are in that Lions team,and coaching box.

  • Comment 84, posted at 04.05.15 15:18:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : i think you are missing my point . most of the natal boys did not shine at the sharks before they came to the Lions .

    ok , maybe not look at players from your own union . But there is a bus load of young talent at the Bulls waiting to be used . why ? because they buy every talented school boy that moves .

    Somehow , players that are already shining for other teams dont perform as well when they move to other unions .

    Think off all the Lions players that have moved away from the lions in the years . How many of them have stayed committed to the new team for a extended period ? Willem Alberts … the rest stayed a while and then moved on . Jano Vermaak , Schalck Brits , Mostered , Ludick .

    Home grown players tend to be more loyal

  • Comment 85, posted at 04.05.15 15:26:18 by Zibbie Reply
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  • And this Japan double deal is a slow burn killer to loyalty I tell you. Every player should only have ties to one club/provincial team at any one time. Your time, your loyalty, your all.

  • Comment 86, posted at 04.05.15 15:30:16 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 86) : I think you have a point there Ive never thought of. There is absolutely no way a player from Durban suddenly feels passionate and loyal to some factory team in the far east. Its unashamedly all about the money. Maybe that attitude is hard to shake off once you come home?

  • Comment 87, posted at 04.05.15 15:49:48 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 87) : I think so dude. They slowly have the passion and loyalty deadened in them by a mercenary mindset. How else do you explain JP version 2015?

  • Comment 88, posted at 04.05.15 15:55:32 by Feather Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 87) : Don’t you think that happens with he first paycheck,regardless of who you are playing for.
    How else can you explain a guy like Andries Straus suddenly willing to do himself career ending injury for the Blue Bulls against the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.05.15 16:03:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 89) : adriaan strauss?

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.05.15 16:05:49 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 90) : Sorry yeah, mixed him up with his cousin who played for every province in South Africa.
    You tell me you don’t find it weird seeing him in blue.

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.05.15 16:08:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : Well…since Johny became Ceo, we all of a sudden sport a group of girls with pom-pom’s (and I’m not talking about our senior team here ;-) ) – what’s up with that?

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.05.15 16:20:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Come on guys, we’ve been dead last the 1 year and reached the final the very next year. I think the main thing is that we all fell for the hype the media and sundry placed on this team in pre-season. We forgot about the huge disruption caused with the whole JakeWhiteGate. Last years Currie Cup should really have been more of a yardstick for our Superugby hopes. But alas we(I) was blinded by the glitz and glamour of the Sharks carrying South-Africa’s Superugby hopes… :roll: The cracks were there, but nicely plastered over by hope, expectation and clever little ads. Rugbyginners is pretty clever, too bad it seems to describe our beloved brand at the moment.
    I believe John Smit is still the right guy for the job because he is a natural born Leader. And one of the very best captains of Sharks and Springboks in History. Back our youngsters!! John Smit is one of our youngsters ffs!! Came up through the Sharks ranks. Reading between the lines it seems he inherited a lot of crap from the previous regime.

    On Gold the jury is still out. I get the feeling he was kinda the only option around at that stage. And maby came with a little bit of a discount.

    Venter is just a complete mystery. I thought he would add value to our setup, but after his “kinda falling on his sword, but not really…” statement I just don’t know. :|

    Our assistant coaches are, well, just assistant coaches. I get the feeling they aren’t being delegated by whoever is their superior. while at the same time not given any freedom to move.

    The fans, don’t even get me started on the fans… Most of them probably just need a chill pill. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.05.15 16:32:41 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 93) : lol so you admit there were “cracks” before the start of this season… what are they now, Grand Canyon size, or are you just too chilled to notice that?…

    Anyway, at no stage have the Sharks ever gone from last to first the next season. In 2000 they finished stone last and in 2001 they finished second. However Reece-Edwards had been replaced by Streauli as coach in 2001.

    In 2005 we finished stone last. Putt was sacked. Under Muir (with Plumtree roped in as assistant) we finished 5th in 2006 and then 1st in 2007.

    So the proof of the pudding is in its eating (as so many on this site are keen to point out is the correct form). What history tells us is that to get back to where we rightfully belong near the top of the table we need a new management team. You can’t argue with our history!

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.05.15 16:59:02 by Feather Reply

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  • Ok I see you said “reached the final the next year”. Still, it took the coach being replaced to do it!

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.05.15 17:01:22 by Feather Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 14) : after how many attempts? Use percentages to compare apples with apples. Games won divided by games won. Jake wins hands down. Biggest mistake was to let Jake go. Should have let the assistants go.

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.05.15 17:26:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 96) : and kicked the poor pampered players who didn’t want to start the day at 08h30 to the Vodacom Cup.

  • Comment 97, posted at 04.05.15 17:41:41 by Feather Reply

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  • Time to rest the big ego at I meant the big name players and build for the future!!!!!

  • Comment 98, posted at 04.05.15 17:58:26 by JD Reply
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  • John Smit has made 2 very obvious blunders since taking over as CEO. The first was in the manner of Plumtree’s dismissal. Sounding out Mallett before talking to Plumtree was politically naive and ethically flawed. The second was in not backing Jake White when the grumbling started. He knew White’s methods and if White was his choice he should have stood by it. It shows, either a lack of confidence in his own judgement, or a lack of loyalty to his mentor, or that he does not really run the show at the Sharks.

    Whatever the truth, he does not look good.

    Firing GG within the next 12 months will just be a another blunder. The obvious options for the Sharks are to either replace Smit or setup Laager against the fans and the media and work towards (or hope for) a better 2016.

    Memories are very short in rugby.

  • Comment 99, posted at 04.05.15 18:04:32 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 99) :

    Do they know about Laagers in Durban? :smile:

    Perhaps watch the Rouke’s Drift movie with Michael Caine.

  • Comment 100, posted at 04.05.15 18:07:40 by fyndraai Reply
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  • ………I’m not sure I’d really no what to write…….

    I spotted an error in Rob’s writings. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 101, posted at 04.05.15 18:12:02 by fyndraai Reply
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  • I’d like to see an article taking stock of John Smit’s Good, Bad and downright ugly…and what all of that means to the Sharks right now, and in five year’s time.

  • Comment 102, posted at 04.05.15 20:08:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 101) : I did pretty well, if you consider that it took 101 comments for somebody to notice it :)

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.05.15 20:19:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • After all is said and not being done the real question now is when is this mess going to start to be fixed and is there the NECESSARY expertise and will to do the fixing?

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.05.15 22:21:55 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : think we’re all to shocked to see the mistake.

  • Comment 105, posted at 04.05.15 22:36:48 by JD Reply
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  • Where is JS in all this? I haven’t seen a peep from him the whole season realted to the team (lots about cycling, though).

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.05.15 00:39:59 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 96) : Amen . . .

  • Comment 107, posted at 05.05.15 04:23:03 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 96) : This is the biggest mystery to me,firstly if it were the assistant coaches who did not see eye to eye with Jake no brainer,fire them.
    If as we are led to believe it was the senior players,then that is a different story.But then no sooner had Jake arrived France than the strong rumour went out that he had signed Jannie and Bismark,now you dont get more senior than that.It was also Jake who made Bismark captain.
    So what is the real story who had the power to get rid of Jake,and why.

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.05.15 07:47:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 96) : Look I am not saying Plum is the Holy-grail, but what I am saying is that we were much better off with him than without him.
    JW record speaks for itself, I agree he should have been kept and rather let him choose his own coaching team, something which is still lacking even with GG here.

  • Comment 109, posted at 05.05.15 08:45:20 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 108) : I totally agree, the assistants seem to have more power than the head coach yet they cant bloody coach!

  • Comment 110, posted at 05.05.15 08:49:41 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 108) : A world cup winning coach, thicker skinned than an aardvark crossed with a ratel couldnt handle a few belligerent rugby players…I think not.

    Anyway I see that his son is suing him for child support. :shock: More worrying though is that Jake tried to bully the age level coaches at the Sharks to play his lightie at hooker, a position he had never played in his life before and didnt want to play.

  • Comment 111, posted at 05.05.15 08:53:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 110) : You’re talking to the wrong man about our assistant coaches – Hound is the self appointed apologist for our anonymous three ;-)

  • Comment 112, posted at 05.05.15 09:01:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 111) : The things some guys do to get out of paying child support.Got to give Jake points for originality though.

  • Comment 113, posted at 05.05.15 09:03:34 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 112) : Once more you totally miss the point.
    Atlas the unsubtle caught it.

  • Comment 114, posted at 05.05.15 09:06:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : :roll:

  • Comment 115, posted at 05.05.15 09:09:06 by FireTheLooser Reply

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