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Changes for Sharks as Hurricanes loom


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 7 May 2015 at 08:11
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The Sharks have been bolstered by the return of three international players for this week’s game against the Hurricanes, but have unfortunately lost two others in the process. In addition, Gary Gold has made several changes to the run-on side in light of the 33-point defeat suffered in Dunedin last Friday.

Jannie du Plessis returns for Lourens Adriaanse, to complete the all-Bok front row on which the Sharks have come to depend, while Renaldo Bothma has recovered too and will start in the number 8 jersey. Willem Alberts, who picked up an ankle injury against the Highlanders, drops out, meaning another run at blindside flank for Etienne Oosthuizen.

Wholesale changes in the backline see only JP Pietersen retain his place from last week; Stefan Ungerer and Lionel Cronje are the new halfbacks, with Frans Steyn joining Pietersen in midfield. S’bura Sithole moves from right wing to left, Odwa Ndungane is back in his most familiar number 14 jersey, while the Jake White experiment of Lwazi Mvovo at fullback seems set for another attempt too.

The bench is interesting indeed – featuring Kyle Cooper as loose forward replacement. There is no sign of Matt Stevens, Giant Mtayanda or Fred Zeilinga this week.

Sharks: 15. Lwazi Mvovo, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. JP Pietersen, 12. Francois Steyn, 11. S’bura Sithole, 10. Lionel Cronje, 9. Stefan Ungerer, 8. Renaldo Bothma, 7. Etienne Oosthuizen, 6. Marcell Coetzee, 5. Marco Wentzel (Captain), 4. Stephan Lewies, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 1. Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements
16. Franco Marais, 17. Dale Chadwick, 18. Lourens Adriaanse, 19. Mouritz Botha, 20. Kyle Cooper, 21. Conrad Hoffmann, 22. Andre Esterhuizen, 23. Waylon Murray



78 Comments

  • Well, we asked for change – we’re getting it in bucket loads.

    Seems Hoffman is indeed the professional Sharks second fiddle, happy to play behind anybody.

    Ungerer being thrown in the deep end, but he’s class and should come through without too much hassle.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.05.15 08:14:55 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • I have to say, with the players we have over there I am actually happy with this team. He has done his best to address the problem areas.

    Will we win? No. But this is a step forward interms of selections.

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.05.15 08:15:07 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Looks better, now for Hoffmann and Murray to disappear.
    Worried about Oosthuizen on the flank.

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.05.15 08:16:04 by Rvw Reply

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  • Lwazi at FB makes me so happy!

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.05.15 08:16:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I’m happy that Ungerer gets to start…

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.05.15 08:16:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • What absolutely befuddles me is that, if Alberts is injured and management knew this, how on God’s green earth we can fly Cooper out as cover for him, when we have perfectly good young flankers who could do the job!! Come on…

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.05.15 08:18:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Yes Ungerer!! Glad Gold got bold and picked him to start. Also, Mvovo at 15 makes me smile :razz: Much better looking back line than last week. Bench is strange indeed, but lets see. Sharks by…?

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.05.15 08:18:12 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Rvw (Comment 3) : worried about Oosthuizen at flank…AND about Cooper as his backup!

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.05.15 08:18:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 6) : To be honest, Cooper’s play in the loose is probably his best asset, with his lineout and hooking work leaving lots to be desired.

    I actually think he can work as a loosie – as long as his heart is in it..

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.05.15 08:20:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Alberts is a huge loss.

    I am honestly surprised to see Ungerer and Cronje at 9 and 10 – was expecting Hoffmann and Frans. Hopefully there will be some thinking behind the kicking this week.

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.05.15 08:21:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • So Cooper pursuing a career as loose forward from nw onwards. Damn, can’t they adopt jakes mentality around Sbura also?

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.05.15 08:21:31 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 8) : Well let’s be honest Bismark is basically a loose forward already. Just move him to flank and bring on a hooker replacement :D

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.05.15 08:21:57 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing Cooper start ahead of Oosthuizen at blindside. JPP at 13 is a mystery wrapped in an enigma but it’s time for me to make like Queen Elsa and let it go.

    Team is what it is, time to get behind them for this weekend’s game. Go Sharks!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.05.15 08:23:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : A Frozen reference on a Sharks site….. I love it :D

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.05.15 08:25:35 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : I just need to see some heart and attitude from the boys this weekend.

    As Andrews said: Make the opposition sweat blood for every point.

    THAT! will make me proud.

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.05.15 08:26:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Haha I guess they can always play Esterhuizen at blindside flank :twisted:

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.05.15 08:29:10 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Sharks will do well to keep the margin within 20.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.05.15 08:35:36 by Morné Reply
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  • I guess I’ll never be happy again. Not even in the slightest of ways. For the last 10 years I have been living breathing sleeping the Sharks but that phase is passing. Time for me to find another passion.

    Thank you and Go Hurricanes by plenty!

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.05.15 08:36:41 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 17) : At least the Canes are without the services of Barrett, Perenara, Savea and Coles…so that losing margin should be within reach. :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.05.15 08:38:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 18) : So at the first sight of adversity, you give up? :roll:

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.05.15 08:40:19 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Can’t say I’m displeased with the changes. Bench could be better. Now if we can go a few games without messing with the continuity.

    We all know the series is over but at least seeing some return to form would be a consolation.

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.05.15 08:40:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I don’t know with this team anymore, but even though I feel despondent, come saterday, I will be celebrating every point, smile in glee at every hard tackle, heckle the ref and swear the opposition, just like I have always done, and just like I will always do. Guys, we have been through worse, e.g the Putt days, and we will have much worse days ahead, but the Sharks will stand up again, just like they always have done. Plus, what other team can play as good as the Sharks when their backs are against the wall?

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.05.15 08:43:18 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 14) : I have two young daughters. It’s about the only references I have available in my arsenal these days.

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : Agreed.

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.05.15 08:43:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 19) :

    Just had a quick look at the Hurricanes team – nothing that really strikes fear in me to be honest. Sharks have a great chance to earn some redemption.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.05.15 08:47:31 by Morné Reply
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  • The first sign? They just keep on screwing up. Continued selections of undeserving players. Letting potential future stars go for hasbeens? I am and always have been a Shark and always will be. But I am done investing time and emotion in them. I also supported the Sharks through the Putt era remember.

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.05.15 08:52:04 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 25) : Who are the hasbeens sir?

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.05.15 08:53:28 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Oh and I am extremely loyal. Doesn’t mean I have to eat other peoples crap to proof it.

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.05.15 08:56:09 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 26) : You really need the list?
    Stevens
    Murry
    Hoffman
    Joe Pieterson
    Claassens
    …..

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.05.15 09:03:38 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Well we’ve got most of the changes we’ve been asking for. Blindside flank is a problem, and Cooper on the bench might just work. They are trying something new, so I’m backing them! Just hoping Cooper can cover the defence as a flank, he’ll do fine going forward. Here’s to hoping the backline plays a lot flatter and more attacking that we’ve seen thus far. I backed the boys by 15 as per usual, and we might pull it off!

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.05.15 09:04:19 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : Lol this is far from the first signs. This is right slap bang in the middle of the rot.

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.05.15 09:04:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 28) : I don’t like the Joe signing, but calling him a has been is a stretch. He’s doing pretty well at the Cheetahs thus far. We haven’t even seen Claasens yet, but I agree on the other three.

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.05.15 09:05:39 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Cant decide whether I prefer these changes or not.
    Cronje at 10 – tick
    Frans at 12 – tick
    Lwazi at 15 – tick
    Ungerer at 9 – double tick
    Odwa anywere – no tick

    Is that Kyle Cooper at 20 a typo?
    If not…jaysus.

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.05.15 09:05:41 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 29) : Wow your blind support shows no end, you can honestly justify Cooper as loose forward cover over anyone else, let alone youngsters?

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.05.15 09:06:27 by Seth101 Reply
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  • We do have a bloody monster of a pack.

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.05.15 09:07:02 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 31) : Yea but he will only actually run on for us in Super Rugby a year from now, when he is 32 years old….

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.05.15 09:07:30 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 33) : I said it MIGHT work. Hell, at least they are trying something out of the box.

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.05.15 09:08:48 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 28) : I only see two of those, and they on the bench. So yes we have a better team now, most likely the best we have had the whole year.

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.05.15 09:09:23 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 14) : yip, might now just convince my little princess to throw away that fugly light blue jersey her grand parents bought..

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.05.15 09:10:17 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 37) : And if you look at my first comment I am reasonably happy with this selection. Doesn’t change the fact that we lost several talented young players and brought in those oldies. Whether or not they start for us, they are still on the books.

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.05.15 09:11:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Wow! Pleasantly surprised that Steyn is not at flyhalf. Like the direction! Go boys!

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.05.15 09:13:53 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • It seems like a lot of people forget that some of our most promising players are with the Baby Boks. If that were not the case, then I am sure that Du Preez laaitie would have started at 7 and Tank du Toit would have been on the bench in the place of Stevens.

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.05.15 09:20:26 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 41) : yip, I think we could actually field a championship u21 team

    1. Thomas Du Toit/ Mzamo Majola
    2. Chris De Beer
    3. Ruan Kramer/ Marne Coetzee
    4. Hyron Andrews / Johan Du Toit
    5. Christiaan van der Merwe/ Retief Marais
    6. Dan Du Preez
    7. Lwazi Ngcungama / Sanele Malwane
    8. Jean Luc Du Preez
    9. H Venter ?? (not sure if still u21)/ Rowan Gouws
    10. Inny Radebe
    11. Alwayno Visagie
    12. Esterhuizen (not sure if still u21) / Marcell Coetzee
    13. Mara Louw
    14. Neil Maritz
    15. Siphatisene Dube

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.05.15 09:23:00 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 42) : A few of those players turn 21 this year, but yea not bad at all, now mix the top players from there with the top senior players and you have something, but no to risky for Gold.

    Off topic has anyone ever considered starting and running s Sharks reddit?

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.05.15 09:27:38 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Based on the players there i think this is the best team they could have picked. Im hoping our forwards can front up and get the backs some ball. Ungerer should give Cronje early ball, he will take it to the line and hopefully get Steyn and JPP running. Mvovo will hopefully run it from the back. If we see Cronje sit in the pocket and kick then we know for sure its coaches orders. The Canes 9 will give Ungerer a good test.

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.05.15 09:46:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • interesting……. good luck too the boys!

    5 things out of this game and I will be happy… I think;
    1. they score less than 4 tries.
    2. none of their tries must be soft, AKA Spineless Conrad Hoffman
    3. we score at least 2 tries.
    4. No yellows.
    5. No reds.

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.05.15 09:47:19 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Only thing that I would’ve liked to see as well is swopping JP and Sbura.

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.05.15 09:48:27 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 42) : Marne, Lwazi and Hanco are all seniors

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.05.15 09:56:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : damn, still could be a decent squad. how many will be part of the CC squad

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.05.15 10:05:31 by Kabouter Reply

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  • If I can follow up the Frozen reference with a Wizard of Oz one:
    Our back row has no brain and our centres have no heart (but at least we got rid of the scrumhalf with no courage).

    I’m particularly concerned about the back row. Don’t get me wrong, I criticised the Sharks last week for having no hustle and Coetzee and Bothma are ALL hustle all day long; but between all three of those guys need a bit of direction to be useful.

    I’m very glad that Cronje and Ungerer finally get a chance though. Both of these are top class players that have huge potential – these are the players we need to come through if the Sharks are to have a recovery in 2016.

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.05.15 10:07:48 by josefgremlin Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 45) : Sad how much we have had to drop our expectations :shock:

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.05.15 10:11:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • This could be a very interesting game, it may be that Gary Gold is wanting these boys to attack the daylights out of the Hurricanes… I flippen hope it pays of

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.05.15 10:12:13 by tokozaan Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 27) : So with you on this Jarson, felt exacltly the same watching the Sharks throw it away on Friday, and management continue with their befuddling decision making in terms of player selection. I am so done.

    I lot of people have said that change needs to start at the top with the CEO, but should we not look further back at which board members appointed the CEO, and even further back in terms of what shareholders chose the new board. In my mind this is when things started going awry and we need to hold these shareholders accountable, whoever they may be.

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.05.15 10:13:43 by stevovo Reply
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  • Happy to see Ungerer start and Mvovo at 15 and Willem is a big loss.
    And yes Superbru even though it will be a huge upset – I will still pick my team for the win :mrgreen: becoz I can :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.05.15 10:14:57 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @stevovo (Comment 52) : So your solutions is basically to fire everyone? Close the union and start new?

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.05.15 10:27:12 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 54) : I wouldn’t say no to that if the people we brought in were the best out there for the job.

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.05.15 10:33:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 54) : Burn it all down…burn it down…hahahaha

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.05.15 10:47:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @stevovo (Comment 52) : No, all I’m saying is that the right people need to stand up and take responsibility for whats going on and we need to be careful who we are targeting. If that means that there need to be some changes, to eventually effect changes on the field and keep supporters, then so be it.

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.05.15 10:52:50 by stevovo Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : We don’t need no water – let the MF burn lol :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.05.15 10:54:19 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 58) : burn MF,burn!

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.05.15 11:52:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • We asked for changes he made some. Not all the changes but then if he weren’t cautious I would worry. So for now it’s a step in the right direction. I will support this selection and hopefully they gain some continuity. I don’t expect a win since you cannot change the world in one week, but as I said before just a glimmer of hope will win me back. Yes the cooper change is a bit strange but maybe without the scrum and line out pressure kyle will surprise us, he is a very good carrier.

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.05.15 11:53:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Backline I would have selected:

    9) Ungerer
    10) Cronje
    11) Mvovo
    12) Esterhuizen
    13) Sithole
    14) JP
    15) Steyn

  • Comment 61, posted at 07.05.15 13:06:34 by woody Reply
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  • I have never felt so bad about a Sharks team selections in recent history (over the whole campaign).

    Esterhuizen is shit – I encourage the man to spell ‘subtleties’
    JPP is not a god dam centre man.
    Odwa is solid but we can do better.
    Oosthuizen at flank???
    Frans Steyn may be the most over rated (and arrogant) player alive
    Marco Wentzel, Jannie DUp (telling me he is class would be laughable), Hoffman, Murray…???

    This is a terrible team with NO PACE..and we will get burnt left, right and centre this weekend. Call me negative all you want but I hold absolutely no hope of coming within 14 points this weekend

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.05.15 13:21:56 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : “Team is what it is”…..and that may be the worst selected Sharks team since 2005.

    Both tactically and in terms of personel

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.05.15 13:24:41 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @woody (Comment 61) :
    Very inexperienced centre partnership to take on the most experienced centre pairing in All Black history.

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.05.15 13:59:37 by John Galt Reply

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  • The worst news of all, Alberts injured again.
    Sheet if this guy was paid according to his time on the field,he’d need a part time debt collecting job to make up the rent.
    For me this is indicative of all the crap this season.
    He is a world class or put in another way in a class of his own.When you have a player like him in your team, second best is just a world away.
    This has happened to us the whole season,we keep on losing our Marque players and replacing them with fourth team players.Wentzel for P.S.D.T,Cooper for Bismark,Murray for Frans Steyn,Stevens for Jannie,Hoffman for Reinarch,and now Oosthuizen for Alberts.
    You can’t play like that.Shit I remember the days when we had Andre Joubert on the bench for Reece.

  • Comment 65, posted at 07.05.15 14:41:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 65) : The crash ball 1 off runner game plan of the Sharks is bound to result in a number of casualties. Id love to see a comparison between the number of collisions Alberts is involved in compared to say a Read or Kaino for instance? Same with PSDT and Retallick etc?

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.05.15 14:47:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) :I would just love to see Alberts play four games in a row,and however you like to couch it I ‘d rather see him on the field in a Sharks jersey than any other player.

  • Comment 67, posted at 07.05.15 15:00:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 67) : I think those days are over unfortunately…cant see his body last more than 3 in a row these days. He should play off the bench only

  • Comment 68, posted at 07.05.15 15:08:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 65) : considering Frans Steyn, Jannie Dup and Reinach our marque key players is a mistake too many South Africans and SHarks fans make

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.05.15 15:27:26 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 69) : Is there anyone in the current touring side that you DO rate? Just curious

  • Comment 70, posted at 07.05.15 15:49:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 19) : He can be glad he is not a Lions supporter . Al tough , now that i think about it he might have been one till the late 90′s :P

  • Comment 71, posted at 07.05.15 16:33:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Now if it was Craig burden I would happily agree with the send up. But I suppose you don’t want to be caught short with hooker replacements. At least send Murray back and replace him with Jordaan while you are buying plane tickets.

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.05.15 16:43:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 69) : I was wondering about that as well

  • Comment 73, posted at 07.05.15 16:46:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 63) : There there :smile:

  • Comment 74, posted at 07.05.15 19:03:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 71) : Hehehe…too true :twisted:

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.05.15 19:48:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : Mvovo, Sithole in the centres, Bothma has been great for us, Coetzee (albeit a tad 1 dimensional on attack), Lewies…Thats about it.

    Bismarck is a walking FOUL and offers nothing on attack – beast on defense though.

    who did i miss exactly??

  • Comment 76, posted at 08.05.15 16:09:36 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 76) : Ok so you would go into the game with a fullback (Mvovo), a centre (Sithole), 2 loosies (Bothma and Coetzee) and a lock (Lewies)…so thats 5 guys….how do you intend to fill the other 17 positions? Cos I hate to tell you just those 5 guys will probably leak quite a few points?

  • Comment 77, posted at 08.05.15 16:22:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : well if you noticed, those were the only players I rated. That really doesnt suggest selecting 5 players in a team.

    But with regard to team selections – I would never have recruited as poorly as they have this season, Bothma and Giant being the exceptions (is he injured?).

    Of the players available I would try and scrape this team together, and dear god they would have a vastly different approach to rugby.

    15. Wilson
    14. JPP
    13. Sithole
    12. Williams
    11. Mvovo
    10. Zeilinga showed ability under previous coaching
    9. Ungerer
    8. du Preez (unless he is at the junior boks)
    7. Bothma
    6. Marcell
    5. Lewies
    4. Giant
    3. Louwrens
    2. Bismarck (Cooper if his throwing improved)
    1. Beast

    And thats not saying this is a brilliant team either

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.05.15 02:02:02 by pienaar111 Reply

    pienaar111Currie Cup player
     

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