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Smit to keep on fighting ’til the end


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 8 May 2015 at 12:40
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Forgive me for waxing somewhat lyrical this afternoon, but Queen really did write some very good songs and one of their seminal works, “We are the champions”, probably deserves better than to be nothing more than a cliched anthem played by sports teams minutes after winning a trophy.

The context here, of course, is the state of the Sharks and the John Smit open letter from earlier this week, one that has been met with a rather mixed response from the public. The Sharks, needless to say, are not champions right now and no letter in the world is going to move them from their current log position to challenging for any trophy whatsoever. Smit’s letter, I feel, was intended to let the fans know that while he’s not going to be able to wave a magic wand and make the last 12 weeks of misery somehow disappear, he at least “gets it” and has a plan ensure success in time.

“And bad mistakes ? I’ve made a few. I’ve had my share of sand kicked in my face but I’ve come through,” croons Freddie Mercury in the song, his way of pointing out that success and winning aren’t things that happen overnight and that there pretty much universally have to be bad times and doubts along the way. It’s a cliche indeed, but making a mistake and learning from it can often be an absolutely crucial; what’s important is the humility to recognise and admit your own mistakes and to make sure you learn those lessons.

“Have there been mistakes made? Absolutely, but with every lesson, the firm resolution that the lessons learnt or being learnt will make us stronger going forward,” is Smit’s way of saying essentially the same thing. In another part of the letter, he provides some additional colour to this, saying “at no stage will we be the leadership that hangs individuals out to dry.” This point is interesting, because it tells us that while Smit is fully aware of the current issues and criticisms leveled at the team, he is not prepared to air them all in public and start slating individuals. As their employer, he has a legal obligation not to do so; as a human being, it’s a stance that I admire hugely because it shows his integrity.

2015 was always going to be a tricky year for the Sharks, with an ageing squad comprising a high number of players whose minds may just already be at the World Cup. Add to that a rather woeful financial situation that left very little wiggle room for Smit and his management team and a few “false starts” in terms of coaching appointments and you can really understand how, in a competition where the margins are small, a little bit of uncertainty can lead to a lot of bad results. Is Smit personally to blame for some of this? Sure – I think he admits that he got a couple of calls wrong and perhaps backed the wrong person in a few cases. Is he to blame for all of it? I’d say certainly not.

The important question for me is “is he going to fix it”? I believe that he will and that he’s working to do so in as short a time frame as he can, given all the constraints he has, many of which he is not at liberty to share openly. This is a complex problem and it is going to take plenty of time and hard work to figure out. As fans, we have a right to be frustrated and a right to question the things with which we don’t agree. At some point, though, we need to lose the “angry-mob-with-pitchfork” mentality and rather just be supporters of the team, trusting and hoping in a better future.

Mercury reckons that even once you’ve become the champion, you need to “keep on fighting”. Maybe it’s the very fact that you keep fighting that makes you a champion? John Smit’s letter shows that, at the very least, he’s not done fighting – and that, I think, bodes very well for the Sharks.



165 Comments

  • I wish I had any optimism left in me I really do.

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.05.15 12:46:54 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Surely Smit has to unblock you on twitter now? ;) #unblockrob

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.05.15 12:47:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : Lets get #unblockrob trending by flooding JS timeline :mrgreen: hahaha

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.05.15 12:49:19 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Well said Rob!

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.05.15 12:50:51 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : I don’t think it really matters if he does or if he doesn’t. I know why he did it and understand his reasons.

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.05.15 12:52:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nice one Rob.

    Tough time. Hoping for better ahead and happy that a passionate Shark man is doing the work in the background to make it happen.

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.05.15 12:52:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • I think the thing that makes it all the more difficult for John is we as the rugby public want instant results. We show little or no patience with a new coach and setup and, when results don’t go our way we demand that heads roll. We generally don’t care much what happens in the background, as long as we are on the right side of the scoreboard come Saturday, then all is good. But I think that with this letter Smitty is actually showing us that there is a lot more going on than we are aware of. Lots of planning, meeting, negotiating, dealing, managing etc etc. Certainly a lot more than a scorecard on a weekend. And yes, results matter, and we want them NOW, but I for one am willing to give Smit & co a bit more time, before howling for their heads. Smit is looking to the future, to build the Sharks empire to new heights, and I believe in him and trust him to do so. Naive? Perhaps. But only time will tell I guess. In the meantime? Black and White. Nothing else.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.05.15 13:24:13 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 7) :
    “I think the thing that makes it all the more difficult for John is we as the rugby public want instant results”

    Well we don’t pay for season tickets or even go to games to see us fail now with the promise of success in the future do we? If we going to spend our money then it needs to be worth it.

    If you want money for a service then you better make sure that service delivers.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.05.15 13:30:58 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Right, I havent posted on here for a while, and while I feel as bleak as everyone on here, I think its now time to stop and move on.
    Yes we have had a proper kak start to the season, but I feel the supporters are hurting the team more than what we think/know/think
    Lets get behind the boys and help them make it happen…Sharks to take it tomorrow as well

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.05.15 13:37:38 by Tintin Reply

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  • I wish I can put into words just how difficult it is to run this game from an administrative point of view.

    Look, I am very much a fan first and will probably always be, which is why I enjoy the engagement on blogs as this one – but the work that happens behind the scenes in rugby is quite simply unbelievably tough.

    Unlike normal business, where let’s say operating at a profit accounts for 95% of your business success, I would easily put it at 50% or even less in rugby.

    Make no mistake, you have to make money in order to survive, but having it part of the equation when a union’s success is measured, it means little to nothing for fans.

    One would think that eating, sleeping, breathing rugby 24/7/365 is the ultimate dream (and in a way it is believe me), but it also drains you physically and emotionally.

    There is no ‘downtime’, there is no ‘switching off’ because rugby does not stop, ever.

    When you are at work, it is rugby – when you go out for drinks or just socialize, people around you just want to talk rugby (because you are in it), when you get home and on weekends, you have to watch rugby because what happens on the field dictates your next 24 hours, 7 days, and 52 weeks…

    But that even is not important in the greater scheme of things, because you do not want to let people who love this game down, and when you do make mistakes, you almost find it impossible to forgive yourself because you are the guy so many depend on, even if you are the guy that only fills the half time water bottles.

    Many of you will know I said 2 years ago I reserve judgment on Smit as CEO – knowing what I know now about the industry I can tell you that funnily enough I STILL reserve judgment! Meaning I cannot say his appointment, or that of any of the current management is a mistake, because as Rob wrote here, if he is still willing to fight, and still passionate enough to engage and give the fans something to be proud of, then he probably deserves every chance.

    For me personally, you only fail when you quit – if you are still willing to fight accepting you made mistakes, you are allright in my books.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.05.15 13:37:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 8) : Absolutely, and rightly so. But what I’m getting at is that when there is huge change at the union (eg. new coach), we are not prepared to give them time to build and implement their game plan to the players. No, if he was appointed today, then we must start winning tomorrow. And if we lose, off with his head. I just think we need to be a bit more patient. We all know how much change there was at the Sharks the last couple of years, so it will take time for everyone to settle and grow together.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.05.15 13:38:10 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 10) : Spot on Morne! Exactly why I feel we need to give Smit and co some time to prove to the fans what they are capable of. It’s not simply a case of, we win on Saturday and all will be hunky dory. Much more than that.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.05.15 13:42:42 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 8) :

    Without supporters this game is dead.

    But I can promise you, as far as season tickets, or ticket sales, or merchandise sales go, the financial contribution of fans contributes very little to the financial well-being of a union.

    But what money cannot buy, and the biggest investment this game depends on, is the emotional investment supporters give to the game and their teams. You cannot put a monetary value on that.

    But it is also this emotional investment which can be very destructive because it is based only on what you see on the field for 80 minutes.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.05.15 13:47:39 by Morné Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 11) : And if we were seeing the signs of that change then I guarantee there would be much less upset supporters. Unfortunately all we have seen so far is a step backwards, change or not that is unacceptable.

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.05.15 13:49:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 8) : I hear what you’re saying…but I have to say: That’s not my philosophy about being a supporter at all!

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.05.15 13:54:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Eish now you to,well after this much better PR stint he should unban you,go boy

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.05.15 13:56:07 by benji Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 10) : That sounds almost like a pastor’s job… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.05.15 13:58:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 16) : if that’s what you really aspiring to

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.05.15 13:58:08 by benji Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 13) : Sponsors don’t do it out of the goodness of their hearts. If fans pull their support then so do sponsors, no one want’s to have their name associated with a failing brand.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.05.15 13:59:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/Teichmann-slams-Potgieter-signing-20150508

    interesting.

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.05.15 14:01:01 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 17) :

    Well my mom always said I would become one – not sure she had this in mind… :)

    @Seth101 (Comment 19) :

    Sponsors is all about the reach of their brand, so as long as a team plays in a top competition with plenty of airtime across continents they will be there.

    That is why Vodacom stuck with the Bulls in 2001 with 0 out of 11.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.05.15 14:02:55 by Morné Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 16) : not sure why I’m dignifying this with a response, but here goes.

    If you read this piece as some kind of indication that I’m not going to criticise Simt when he gets something wrong, then you’ve misread it. There’s a big difference between criticising individual decisions and actions and calling for him to step down.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.05.15 14:03:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • My issue is that we have never won this competition, and starting next year, this competition becomes a whole lot less worth winning.

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.05.15 14:04:00 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 20) : Well I guess Teichmann can consider himself blocked by JS too now lol :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.05.15 14:04:59 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 23) : This is another factor that I haven’t even thought of, as of next year Super Rugby will be a far less entertaining competition.

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.05.15 14:06:46 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 24) : :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.05.15 14:07:08 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 21) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.05.15 14:09:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 23) : we’re all very disappointed, but without the time machine, there’s nothing we can do about it.

    I guarantee that firing Smit or Gold (or both of them) won’t give us this years’ Super Rugby trophy.

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.05.15 14:11:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : But will keeping them give us next years? I am thinking nope.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.05.15 14:12:00 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 20) : he has a point, he really does.

    Again, I can only assume that he probably doesn’t have enough insight into exactly why it’s been done.

    There’s very strong evidence to suggest that Willem Alberts has already signed with Stade Francais. We’re not sure what Kankowski or Deysel’s plans are either. Having also lost Botes and Daniel in recent years, we could end up in a situation where we don’t have any experience in the loose trio. Against that backdrop, Potgieter makes sense.

    He can play 4 lock as well, a position where we are not exactly bristling with quality young candidates.

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.05.15 14:14:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 29) : can’t say mate. Please tell me which CEO and head coach you will hire now to guarantee that we will win Super 25 next year.

    You’re looking for guarantees, so tell me how you guarantee that.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.05.15 14:16:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : Admittedly no one can guarantee it, but you can hire someone with a much better track record then we currently have. Giving you a statistically hire chance. Closest thing to a guarantee you will get.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.05.15 14:21:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 7) : Change should be to bring progress, not regress.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.05.15 14:23:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 32) : and the names are…?

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.05.15 14:23:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 10) : Ie true rugby people dont “fiddle while Rome burns”

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.05.15 14:24:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Well my pick would be Nick Mallet, the man with the highest Springbok win % ever.

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.05.15 14:26:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 36) : and Smit never considered him?

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.05.15 14:27:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Honestly, no idea. Please do enlighten me?

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.05.15 14:28:33 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : yes I agree and you and I fall into opposing camps,but so be it ,that’s what make you and this sight a proper PR stint for the Sharks as all views are enterrtained for the combined support all of us have for the Sharks and I never implied you had the view JS should move along

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.05.15 14:33:02 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 33) :I agree but it might bring the SR 2016 trophy

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.05.15 14:35:11 by benji Reply
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  • Well put Rob. For me I want to see progress and see the plans in action within the next 6 months. A visible attack and defence structure, player development and recruitment. Changing of assistant coaches if possible. I therefore am prepared to give Smit 6 months to change things.

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.05.15 14:43:40 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 38) : The whole Plum saga started because Mallet couldn’t wait to spill the beans on Smit approaching him for the DoR job.

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.05.15 14:45:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 42) : exactly.

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.05.15 14:49:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 39) : life would be boring if we all agreed – and pretty sad if we couldn’t agree to disagree

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.05.15 14:50:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : So are you saying there is no one better out there we could have hired?

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.05.15 14:56:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : I like that line :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.05.15 14:56:58 by Seth101 Reply
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  • “we’ll be the champions…WE’LL BE THE CHAMPIONS!…though we are losers, yet we’ll become the championssssssss….” :mrgreen:

    See, we can still sing along. ;-)

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.05.15 15:01:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 45) : I’m not the one looking for a candidate…. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.05.15 15:12:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ja I think most of us care about the future plans a lot more than trying to salvage this series. Would be comforting to see our junior teams doing well.

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.05.15 15:13:57 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : Granted, but can you agree that a club seeking to be the best should only be interested in hiring the best? Even if we can’t go back and change the past. :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.05.15 15:19:16 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Should have gone with Swys de Bruin. Obviously the coaching experience at the Lions and knows Sharks systems and youngsters backwards. Was at the academy form 2004 – 2012. a brilliant rugby brain and coach. Was the coach behind the Griquas resergence in late 90′s. a brilliant coach who deserved his chance at the big time and purely by his input at the Lions is a believer in attacking rugby and a supporter of bringing through the youth.

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.05.15 15:21:39 by rob Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 50) : “best” is subjective though. “Best” might also not be available.

    Take Mallett. He’s not available, so it’s really not fair or even constructive to compare any available coach to him.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.05.15 15:22:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Problem is if you accept mediocrity you will always be mediocre.

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.05.15 15:26:42 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Man give Teichman a Bells!!Dreading another JS tjommie coming for a retirement package!Frogsplash Potgieter is waaaaay overrated and by the time he gets to play for the Sharks,he will be sniffing at 30 already!

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.05.15 15:31:31 by BarendL Reply
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  • @rob (Comment 51) : and was also the Sharks under 21 coach for about 5 seasons, delivering nothing in that time

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.05.15 15:46:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nice to point at guys currently doing well and call them visionary. I wonder what will happen if old Ackerman and Co hit a dry spell not next year or even in cc. Will they still be heralded. A coach’s fortunes are tied to the team he is coaching if for some reason they just don’t have the talent or finds to improv their situation does that diminish the coach abilities?

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.05.15 15:51:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @rob (Comment 51) : OK so while we are playing this game.. I would take De Bruyn and Strools could have been CEO :twisted: . Both would have been available and in the system

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.05.15 15:53:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 54) : May I point out some factual issues here, even if I don’t intend to change your opinion.

    1) Potgieter is younger than Alberts, Deysel and Kankowski. I must have missed the comment where you said any of them was too old to play for the Sharks.
    2) Please provide even a shred of proof to substantiate the assertion that Potgieter is in some way John Smit’s “tjommie”? What is the connection between the two, because I’m not seeing it.

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.05.15 15:54:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : I thought the age groups never had consequent coaches.

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.05.15 15:55:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Guys putting u under more pressure than Gold here Rob

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.05.15 15:55:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 57) : well, that was the plan. Straeuli, at least, was being lined up as van Zyl’s successor.

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.05.15 15:56:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 59) : I didn’t say they were consecutive seasons.

    Ag shit, are you really going to make me go dig up the history now?

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.05.15 15:57:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : feel like I’ve lost the dressing room, mate :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.05.15 15:58:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 56) : Of all the SA franchise the Lions are the ones that have not had the funds, nor the talent, hell for a long time not even a sponsor. These guys have worked wonders with scraps from the main table.

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.05.15 15:58:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I am not buying into this whole JS bs.
    If anything we need a proper CEO we need Gary Teichmann there who actually knows how to run a business.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.05.15 16:05:14 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : By who??B.J???

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.05.15 16:05:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 66) : yes

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.05.15 16:07:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 65) : is he available, keen to do the job? what’s his plan?

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.05.15 16:07:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : Cant we all dream? ;)

  • Comment 69, posted at 08.05.15 16:12:13 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 65) : Oh Shit why stop there,why not Wynand Claasens orTommy Bedford,or Kabous .
    I actually dread the day John ups sticks and pisses off,and in comes cabbage head Strauelli,muppet Mallet,or some other loser.
    We have a young dynamic proven Rugby legend at the helm of this province,something in a world of stuffed blazers and hangers on that is so refreshing and illuminating and you guys want to be rid of him.

  • Comment 70, posted at 08.05.15 16:13:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : Coming from small towns in my life you normally pick this kind of issue up fairly quickly at your local club.
    Guys who run their own businesses and who are President of the clubs the clubs normally run smooth. As soon as a “worker” takes over, things start to crumble.

  • Comment 71, posted at 08.05.15 16:15:34 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : I refer to him as tjommie not in the friend meaning,but rather the “over 30,missing SA better phone John” meaning. Alberts,Kankow and Deysel have been Sharks for ages,the only players the Sharks are currently buying is fast approaching retirement and mostly journeymen. :twisted:

  • Comment 72, posted at 08.05.15 16:17:50 by BarendL Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 70) : We need someone who actually knows about running their own business. Someone who knows jack yet with all the papers to prove he can doesn’t justify he can actually do the job.
    The same cabbage head who helped turn the lions around, the same one who we now wish was part of our recruitment team?
    a Legend does not make you a businessman. There is a huge diffs. That’s like saying he would be a great bok coach. I can tell you now he will be shit at being a coach.
    On the end of the day Business is Business. Saying we better off having a “Legend” to run the show is being pretty much a cabbage head.

  • Comment 73, posted at 08.05.15 16:20:23 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 72) : I am sure “teaching the youngsters” was part of his employment :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
    No I must say its a good buy, however I agree his age is not on our side, and the Sharks are being know at the moment as the retirement union just like the Stormers was a few years ago when AJ Venter joined them they had a long list of retired payers on their books.

  • Comment 74, posted at 08.05.15 16:23:52 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 72) : Potgieter has hardly looked over the hill this seasonI think Cheika has started him every game.
    I never rated him at the Bulls but you can’t accuse him of taking the soft option Europe or Japan,he went to Sydney and is in a team that will finish above every South African team on the log.
    I think he is a very good buy,and the only reason we are getting him is he wants to play International rugby,and because he was capped the Boks,unlike Tiaan Straus he cannot be capped by the Wallabies.

  • Comment 75, posted at 08.05.15 16:25:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : Nah, I believe you.

  • Comment 76, posted at 08.05.15 16:26:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 74) : The problem is we are buying these old hands at the expense of talented youngsters….Pootie probably gets too much flack for his homophobic slur that he thought he should get out? :mrgreen:
    But well,what can you do,Sharks runs through my veins,got it out of the system…I guess I will learn to like(very mildly) Frogsplash too…Go klap the Canes you beauties!!

  • Comment 77, posted at 08.05.15 16:28:42 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 72) : @BarendL (Comment 72) : I would argue that the more players we get in who actually don’t consider Smit as anything other than just “the boss” the better. Much cleaner that way.

  • Comment 78, posted at 08.05.15 16:31:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 73) : You are like a stuck record harping on and on at the same thing.
    Do you honestly think Steven Saad is such a peephole that he would hire an incompetent to run the Sharks.Look up his C.V and then please list Strauelli’s business successes.
    Find another horse to ride.
    Thank God that A hole was run out of town,and as for your contention that he is the reason for the Lions season,dream on,after his coaching career highlights don’t think even the Lion’s would let him anywhere near the team.

  • Comment 79, posted at 08.05.15 16:32:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 75) : Pottie has one thing that NOBODY else in our squad does.

    A Super Rugby winner’s medal.

  • Comment 80, posted at 08.05.15 16:32:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 73) : Didnt Smittie coach our last world cup Bok team, there wer strong rumours to that effect. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 08.05.15 16:35:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Lions had the talent. Just not always the funds to keep them. And when they hit a little slump or the rest of the teams in SA up their game to decent standards and there is such a huge contrast or difference between them and the rest? Let’s be honest they looked great compared to the rest of SA teams but bulls are recovering and hopefully sharks will too. WP doing better and if they can keep it up lions will once again be average compared to the rest. I will only call lions great when all our teams are firing on all cylinders and they can STILL beat them. Until then lions are relatively good, relative to their opposition.

  • Comment 82, posted at 08.05.15 16:36:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : With that Rob,I agree wholeheartedly!
    @The hound (Comment 75) : In my hnest opinion,these last two seasons he has played a better game,but to be honest,those 3 Bok caps was a farce!

  • Comment 83, posted at 08.05.15 16:38:07 by BarendL Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 82) : Stormers looked pretty shit last week,and the week before and the one before.Wheels have fallen off there if you ask me.

  • Comment 84, posted at 08.05.15 16:38:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) : So does Spies and Wynand Olivier,wouldn’t want either anywhere near the Sharks?

  • Comment 85, posted at 08.05.15 16:39:57 by BarendL Reply
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  • I really do love all of you guys very much, just for the record.

  • Comment 86, posted at 08.05.15 16:40:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : We are probably one Union/Franchise who cant really talk about another teams wheels coming off?

  • Comment 87, posted at 08.05.15 16:40:51 by BarendL Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 75) : Potgieter played in Japan as of last year. According to Wikipedia he has extended his contract there until 2017, so this would imply that The Sharks are once again going to be sucking on the Japanese hind tit or that he has been bought out of his contract.

  • Comment 88, posted at 08.05.15 16:42:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 83) : I don’t think you’ll find anyone disagreeing that the Potgieter who played for the Bulls was nothing special.

    But players learn and improve and he seems to have done both. Nice that we’re able to pick up the finished product, in this case, rather than the school fees.

  • Comment 89, posted at 08.05.15 16:42:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 83) : Or were they a very cleverly of making sure he never played for anyone else.
    Couple of years ago we had a great young lock here at the Sharks ,Greg Rawlinson,he went to N.Z. played quiet good rugby and ended up with an All Black cap.
    But that was all he got they just made sure he never played for the Boks.

  • Comment 90, posted at 08.05.15 16:42:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : And we you Rob,and grately appreciate all your time and effort that you put into this great site for us to vent and add just the right amount of interesting to our day!

  • Comment 91, posted at 08.05.15 16:43:14 by BarendL Reply
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  • De Saad did not appoint Smit. The board did. The chairman is just another vote. And no one can tell me if he actually personally voted for John or if he is honoring the majority decision of the board. Neither can anyone tell me if he while knowing business very well also is an expert in the business of rugby.

  • Comment 92, posted at 08.05.15 16:44:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : :roll:

  • Comment 93, posted at 08.05.15 16:45:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : Have you watched any of his games this year,he has been massive,and clean very few or no cards,which is a helluva improvement he used to be vuiler than Greyling.

  • Comment 94, posted at 08.05.15 16:45:45 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Agreed
    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : Sadly imo that is also something that is adding stress to our group of players,too many players coming for SR unfit and not lus for or too tired to play properly

  • Comment 95, posted at 08.05.15 16:46:06 by BarendL Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 82) : Take a step back a few years to when the Lions were not even playing Super Rugby – they were broken, stuffed, by all accounts they should be scaping the bottom of a barrel – they are not and there is a reason why, it should be acknowledged that some people have done some amazing work at that union.

  • Comment 96, posted at 08.05.15 16:46:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Well said Barend. And while I don’t always buy into all your opinions or reports I appreciate that you do go out and get us the news and allow us to debate and decide what we choose to believe. Thanks Rob.

  • Comment 97, posted at 08.05.15 16:46:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 92) : I cannot tell you if Saad was the one who personally chose Smit to take up the CEO position, but I can’ tell you with certainty that he is very supportive of Smit and committed to his success.

    Business is business, though and politics are politics. Rest assured, if Smit really screws up badly enough to lose the board, Saad will dump him.

  • Comment 98, posted at 08.05.15 16:47:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 92) : Who is De Saad,please enlighten us as to how many members of the board there are,in fact who they are and your personal suspicion as which is the evil rat that foistered the naive John Smit on us.

  • Comment 99, posted at 08.05.15 16:49:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 94) : Hey I like this signing, just pointing out that he does also play in Japan.

  • Comment 100, posted at 08.05.15 16:51:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 99) : Just keep in mind,JS comes from Pretoria,Bulls works in mysterious ways!!Reckon they’ve played the loooooong game! :twisted:

  • Comment 101, posted at 08.05.15 16:51:41 by BarendL Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 93) :
    Fukuoka Sanix Blues / Waratahs[edit]
    In May 2013, it was revealed that he would leave the Bulls at the end of the 2013 Super Rugby season. He joined Japanese Top League side Fukuoka Sanix Blues – a deal later extended until 2017[3] – and would also play Super Rugby for the Waratahs in 2014 and 2015.[4][5]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Potgieter

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  • @BarendL (Comment 101) : ;-)

  • Comment 103, posted at 08.05.15 16:54:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : Smit is the man for this job… and more importantly this union…

    He’s got my backing since day 1, and will have my backing till day X.

    I trust in Barney

  • Comment 104, posted at 08.05.15 16:57:14 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 102) : I buy what you are saying but I still think he is a good player. He is the type of player like AJ Venter,Deysel,Alberts, that thrive in Durban.

  • Comment 105, posted at 08.05.15 16:57:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 101) : LOL. I’ve got to hand it to you, that was good!

  • Comment 106, posted at 08.05.15 16:58:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 101) : @robdylan (Comment 106) :

    Haha, so does Rob!!

  • Comment 107, posted at 08.05.15 17:06:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 104) :

    Why exactly is he the man for the job?

    Its certainly not because he has the skills or experience.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 108) : Because he has three things that Jean de Villiers doesn’t have, A World Cup,a Trinations and a Currie Cup

  • Comment 109, posted at 08.05.15 17:16:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 109) :

    Which would make him a great player. I’m uncertain as to how that qualifies him to be a CEO though?

    If trophies was all that was needed to be a CEO, surely Bakkies would’ve been a better choice?

  • Comment 110, posted at 08.05.15 17:18:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 102) : I think he’s a real good player now, it seems like the Australians have taught him to run into space instead of into contact. But I’m really no fan of players playing in Japan. I want players that are committed to the Sharks and ONLY the Sharks.

  • Comment 111, posted at 08.05.15 17:20:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 110) : BURN!

  • Comment 112, posted at 08.05.15 17:39:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 107) : :shock: :razz:

  • Comment 113, posted at 08.05.15 17:39:18 by BarendL Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 111) : hang on – we don’t know for a fact that he’s going to play in Japan once contracted to us. Let me try to get the real story before we discuss further

  • Comment 114, posted at 08.05.15 17:41:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 112) :

    Ahahaha, sorry mate, just too easy.
    I find it a rather ridiculous situation – just because somebody can (mostly) throw a ball in straight at a line-out, simply doesn’t mean they are equipped to lead a professional business in a CEO capacity, as their next job.

    In South Africa we go on and on about how political appointees don’t have the skills and experience for the job, yet turn a blind eye in this instance.
    It’s an absolute farce.

  • Comment 115, posted at 08.05.15 17:51:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 115) : exactly,what a farce,what a mess

  • Comment 116, posted at 08.05.15 18:07:04 by benji Reply
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  • @ the hound…let me just quickly jump onto Wikipedia so I can know exactly as much as you do about de saad..not that it’s an achievement. ..since he has been in the news and financial times many many times being a pharmaceutical mogul and having been one long before he accepted the chair at the sharks. ..ag shame sucks to be you thinking you know everything about Stephen and the sharks and Rugby in general…or maybe you do maybe he is a close personal friend…haha…clown.

  • Comment 117, posted at 08.05.15 18:30:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Also doesn’t mean cause you are a brilliant business man that all your appointments are the best choices or that everyone else understands why you made them. I know of many celebs appointed to directorship mainly for their personal brand value not necessarily their business prowess.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 114) : Thank you sir.

  • Comment 119, posted at 08.05.15 18:39:20 by Ben Reply
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  • I take your point rob what I’m saying is that I don’t accept John’s capability based on de Saad’s reputation or trust or the board’s trust only. Many a bad ceo appointment has Been made in similar fashion. For me John must on his own reputation and actions show that he was the right horse to back. Thus far it hasn’t looked that way. I would LOVE for him to prove me wrong since he has long been a hero of mine. And just as much as I am carrying every hope that the sharks will turn things just as much do I carry hope that John will prove me wrong.

  • Comment 120, posted at 08.05.15 18:49:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Oh and let me add it’s my opinion ..to which I am entitled before some Spiro Agnew aspirant jumps in and tells me I’m not entitled to having my own opinion…and since the board unanimously voted for him I would venture to say it was more than half of them how ever many they are..that foisted him on us. And note hound the word you are groping for is foisted not foistered. ..

  • Comment 121, posted at 08.05.15 19:02:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Actually you can delete all that shit rob. I’m here to talk about my team not get into juvenile pissing contests with other members. So my apologies. And to salmon oil I concede the point lions have done well with little..no way to argue results…and that’s what lions have shown…

  • Comment 122, posted at 08.05.15 19:23:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • If John Smit didn’t have the backing of the board, he sure wouldn’t have been allowed to hire and fire the way he’s been going.

    Also, everyone (meaning his detractors) question John’s ability to be CEO of a business, yet the business side of the Sharks is the one place where he has completely outshone his predecessor – it’s the rugby on the field that has as yet not shows the evidence of his substantial rugby experience.

  • Comment 123, posted at 08.05.15 19:41:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 115) : You must’ve pulled a muscle stretching for that analogy :roll:

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  • I don’t think I’m arguing the business side it’s the rugby side that concerns me. But he does have the support of the board so if the rugby side continues to suffer that would be an inditement since he cannot argue lack of Co operation or support, wouldn’t it? There is for him 2 halves of this business to balance and on one he is struggling.I hope he can turn that side around as he did the financial side he has been a great servant and I would love to see him succeed completely.

  • Comment 125, posted at 08.05.15 19:58:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I keep missing the Xv games anyone have an opinion on Jordaan performance after the layoff? He always seems to struggle a bit to get back to form and it would be nice if it was quick enough for him to get a call up.

  • Comment 126, posted at 08.05.15 20:03:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 125) : You are a very confused person,

  • Comment 127, posted at 08.05.15 21:37:06 by The hound Reply
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  • I believe John Smit may be Charl McLeod’s spiritual successor when it comes to splitting opinions.

  • Comment 128, posted at 09.05.15 00:52:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 127) : And you seem to think that you are the only one who can voice opinions or that only yours matters or are even right for that matter. I won’t get drawn back in so from now on I’ll be ignoring you when you try that.

    I’m here to talk rugby and voice my opinions not have a contest for losers about who knows the most about the team management. All that info is freely available to anyone on the internet so just the game, the players the future of the union for me.

    If you want to debate about that then I’ll talk but try to find out what a debate is first and leave your personal attacks since you have no clue who or what I am have achieved or is capable of. This is just a blog and the common ground here is the team that’s all.

  • Comment 129, posted at 09.05.15 07:49:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 128) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 115) : This is my point too. I’m not saying that he will never get there just that his current track record is not very good up till now. The financial success i.e. icreased revenue in merchadising, operational cost etc. shows that he or his team, since there are other members too, have managed well financially. Do we have all the information on why it reflects like this, no. Will that persist in this financial year, was that swing due to circumstances of their own creation or some small fortune on their side this year which may be fleeting?

    Who knows? But on the other side the rugby side, he has had trouble and his leadership, decision making and overall strategy and control has been lacking. And we can only speak about what is reflecting outwardly and that has evidence backing it up in the form of poor performing teams from the juniors to the seniors. I struggle to believe its just a culmination of unfortunate events, fortune favours the prepared and I think we are ill prepared.

  • Comment 130, posted at 09.05.15 07:59:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 129) :

    Ignore him dude. Wont gain you anything in the long run.

    @coolfusion (Comment 130) :

    As for the finances – being a beancounter myself, I’ll believe it when i see it.
    Just because John (again, with zero accounting experience) its so, doesnt make it so. Lots of ways to spin a set of accounts.

  • Comment 131, posted at 11.05.15 16:36:48 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 127) : do yu have a whole room in you’re home dedicated as a shrine to JS,set out in 2007 I think,and still worshiped at daily?

  • Comment 132, posted at 11.05.15 21:50:19 by benji Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) : yes and at this stage JS is trying which ever way to worm his way out of the hole he has dug the Sharks into

  • Comment 133, posted at 11.05.15 21:57:27 by benji Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 129) : I seriously have a problem with people who from behind an anonomous mask make serious character assassinations.
    You have accused John of being a naive businessman,when it is pointed out to you that he actually turned the union’s finances around to the tune of R22 million.,you then claim the figures are fudged.
    When it is pointed out to you that a person with a business reputation like that of Steven Saad would not be likely to publish fudged figures in his name.You then claim that Saad was not responsible for pointing Smit and was forced into it by is board.Whenyou were asked to name who these board members are you then revert to a teenage rant.
    ”I’m here to talk rugby and voice my opinions not have a contest for losers about who knows the most about the team management.”
    Stick to that and we won’t have a problem.
    Stay away from the things you so obviously have no knowledge of.

  • Comment 134, posted at 12.05.15 07:47:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) : Thank God you don’t do my books.

  • Comment 135, posted at 12.05.15 07:48:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) : Look, these aren’t the sort of arguments I like to get involved in…and, unlike you, I am no bean counter…and I certainly don’t like to resort to name-calling…but…between your various hints and insinuations there is a point or two that requires comment:
    1. The R22 million turnaround at least, is not just you in the public domain because John said so. It was reported at the AGM and then announced to the public by Steven Saad.
    2. While a R22 million turnaround is certainly not confirmation that the finances are rosy (as I understand it you could achieve a R22 million turnaround and still make a loss), it is an improved performance. I don’t know whether it was achieved because of John Smit or because of the team he has around him or what…but the point is it was achieved and those who were always on about John’s lack of business knowledge and experience should at least give some credit where it is due – albeit ever so grudgingly.
    3. I don’t think we’re turning a blind eye to anything. For goodness sake, we’re being told by some that we’re not faithful supporters and getting banned on twitter for offering fairly robust critique of John Smit and management. But upon John being appointed (and surely that happened with a clear knowledge of his strengths and weaknesses) he was given his chance and would always be judged on his results. The irony is that, what most (including myself) saw as his strengths (the rugby side, the man management side) has been poor, while his perceived weaknesses (finances) have been much better than expected.
    4. On the rugby side I remain critical of much that John has done or has allowed to be done, while I concede that I simply don’t have all the information regarding the circumstances that led to those decisions. On that front I am prepared to be a little bit patient and to see what happens in the next year and how they address the matters that need addressing.
    5. But, despite the knowledge that not everything has been done as well as it could, I will continue to disagree with those who are in the “all is kak” camp…and I won’t be quite as cynical as some when it comes to seeing everything as “spin”…if that makes me naive and I am mistaken, so be it. If that ever comes to light, it will still not be the end of the world, we can deal with at and do better from there…

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  • @benji (Comment 133) : Are you serious? If I recall correctly, at least the financial hole was dug before John arrived…

  • Comment 137, posted at 12.05.15 08:48:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 136) : This post of yours shows why men of the cloth are “called”, they have the gifts of not letting emotions cloud their views and sobriety to boot.

  • Comment 138, posted at 12.05.15 09:23:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 136) : That’s a very thoughtful and well worded post. I also thought long and hard about your third point and my only explanation is that Smit may be so focused on proving he can turn around the Sharks’ financial situation that there’s simply not enough focus left for influencing the union’s culture at this time. One thing at a time I guess , if you want to sort it out good and proper. Taking the long term view, the money side is probably the place to start.

  • Comment 139, posted at 12.05.15 09:28:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 135) : Cant think you’d have too many pennies to count anyway. Not if you behave in RL like you do on here

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 136) : That’s a fair comment mate.

  • Comment 141, posted at 12.05.15 09:35:52 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 135) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 140) : I think it’s time for the two of you to draw a line under this one.

    The ongoing scrap is hardly constructive and is making it unpleasant for other readers.

  • Comment 142, posted at 12.05.15 09:42:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 142) : What readers? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 143, posted at 12.05.15 10:07:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 142) :

    Oh Rob, if we let this kind of drivel go unopposed then we let the terrorists win.

    Oh okay, I’m a big softie, you’ve won me over.
    Come here Hound, gimme a big hug.
    You get in here too Rob – it was your love-in that started this

  • Comment 144, posted at 12.05.15 10:21:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 144) :like water off a ducks back.
    But I understand you a little better,inside every accountant there’s a guy who would love to one day do something seriously radical,like take off his tie.

  • Comment 145, posted at 12.05.15 10:28:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 145) :

    That’s a little better. Not funny yet, but you’re surely moving in the right direction.
    Well played fella.

  • Comment 146, posted at 12.05.15 10:36:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Y’all brought a smile to my face… :lol:

  • Comment 147, posted at 12.05.15 11:18:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 138) : I would love to say that I never let my emotions cloud my judgement…but I know myself too well! And I would love to say all men of the cloth were better than me at it, but I know too many of them too well!!
    Anyway, I’ll take the compliment! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 148, posted at 12.05.15 11:20:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Ag please man. Until someone can point me to the audited accounts saying there has been “a R22m turnaround” means nothing. Any person with a slight shred of commerciality about them will tell you this, leaving aside the darker elements of creative accounting. It could be ascribed to something as simple as Jake White leaving before his contract, and the provision for his remuneration, was up. Without seeing the accounts it means nothing. We could still be deep in the financial shit and when you look at the journeymen and nobodies in charge of our coaching structures it doesn’t take too much of a leap of the imagination.

  • Comment 149, posted at 12.05.15 11:37:14 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 149) : we simply don’t know. We don’t have access to the information that we would need in order to say definitively one way or the other.

    Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith on these things. I’m choosing to believe that Steven Saad isn’t going to blatantly lie on the record because it wouldn’t be in his interests to do so.

    If Smit had genuinely fucked up the finances as well as the rugby, then Saad and the board would have fired him by now, surely?

  • Comment 150, posted at 12.05.15 11:42:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 150) : no look a R22m improvement (a better word) is still a R22m improvement. A board is always going to be content with that. It suggests an upward trend. And I hope there is. The point I was making, echoed by you, is that without the info we don’t know. And it’s dangerous when people have to speculate in the absence of full disclosure.

    By the way, my experience is in reviewing (amongst others) financial statements and company records for signs of financial impropriety. Having no info at all besides public statements issued to the press is a dangerous path to tread.

  • Comment 151, posted at 12.05.15 11:49:25 by Feather Reply

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  • A R22m improvement could be due to shrewd management policies or it could be some sort of windfall outside management’s control.

    My sense is that John Smit inherited a steaming pile of horseshit.

  • Comment 152, posted at 12.05.15 11:51:08 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 152) : there is no doubt that he inherited a mess. A fucking HUGE mess.

    And I’m quite sure he hasn’t completely fixed it, not by a long shot. Nor has he done it all on his own, again not by a long shot. He has been instrumental in some sponsorship deals, though – let’s just say that his continued appearances in Cell C advertising material is no coincidence.

    But a R22m improvement is a R22m improvement. I conceded that there’s probably a fair amount of spin in what they’ve chosen to reveal (I mean, going from a R50m loss to a R28m loss, if that is the case, is hardly cause for celebration) but I think that in the current climate, when they really do need to share some good news, this is not a bad story to share.

  • Comment 153, posted at 12.05.15 12:00:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • Agreed. I just wish the organisation was more open and transparent. Experience has told me to proceed with caution where a culture of withholding or suppressing information exists.

  • Comment 154, posted at 12.05.15 12:03:42 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 152) :

    Possibly a MTM revaluation on property or intangibles, foreign exchange gains on some of the presumably forex income, writing back previous accruals, or any number of non-cash items.

    Or it could be a genuine uptick in performance. Perhaps selling more tickets, more jerseys etc.
    I find that slightly implausible, given that success on the pitch normally begets a strong financial performance and not the other way round.

    We just cant know, given the lack of details. Just odd that they would talk about it and not provide any details as to how it arose.

    Not saying its not the case; just saying there’s no way of knowing.

  • Comment 155, posted at 12.05.15 13:32:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Agree Vin. So the only measurable of success for us would be the game and not the financial status. I wonder if this year’s Financials will be as flattering.

  • Comment 156, posted at 12.05.15 13:42:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Also may have overcome a huge debt hurdle left by previous regime. Would be nice to know what the benchmark for performance should have been. Can measure next year against that?

  • Comment 157, posted at 12.05.15 13:44:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • For a bunch of doom and blame merchants you guys are very low on imagination,or else you are so far removed from the Sharks,Kings Park and the home in general.
    If you had been to at least one game this season,you will have noticed the stands behind both posts are closed to the crowd and replaced with huge canvas advertising banners.
    These banners are there at a huge cost to the sponsors and feature prominently during the game.
    If I were to hazard a little guess I would presume that they contributed to a large part of that R22 Million.
    Quite a clever move for an ex hooker.

  • Comment 158, posted at 13.05.15 16:22:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 153) : has there been any news or report forthcoming in regard to the forensic audit?

  • Comment 159, posted at 13.05.15 17:36:54 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 158) : really now or is that merely to cover the empty space that used to be occuoied by fans who paid for tickets,merchandise ec

  • Comment 160, posted at 13.05.15 17:39:33 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 160) : that rinky dink is a morgue ,so where does the alleged PROFIT arise?

  • Comment 161, posted at 13.05.15 17:42:34 by benji Reply
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  • @benji Can’t even give those tickets away so much empty space. Try to make the best of a self inflicted wound. Would be much smarter to plan the decommission of Kings park cheaper to run only one stadium.

  • Comment 162, posted at 13.05.15 18:29:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 160) :
    Lots of those empty seats are sold seats,for instance some 25 seats near where my season tickets are,are always empty,yet if I try and buy them for friends for the game they are unavailable,I found out recently they are bought by ABSA,come finals or tests they are always full
    The game is not about the stadium anymore it’s played on T.V has been for quite awhile now.
    The T.V stations own the tournament and they don’t rely on gate money they rely on advertising revenue.
    But the advertising space inside the stadium is owned by the Union,and believe me the guys who bought those behind the posts spaces played plenty for them.Very clever move on someone’s part.

  • Comment 163, posted at 13.05.15 18:48:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 162) : going to happen sooner than later when big boys with big money come to play ,Common Wealth Games are coming and big changrs coming

  • Comment 164, posted at 14.05.15 00:41:45 by benji Reply
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  • Isn’t this happening all over SA though they built lots of stadiums with the soccer in close proximity to existing older ones.

  • Comment 165, posted at 14.05.15 06:13:07 by coolfusion Reply

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