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Sharks edge Rebels in error-strewn affair


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 29 May 2015 at 21:11
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The Sharks have beaten the Rebels 25-21 in Durban, in a Super Rugby match that did little to raise interest.

Both teams engaged in a see-saw contest of trying to see who could commit the most handling errors for close on half an hour, with any momentum either side hoped to achieve completely stifled by a baffling inability to hold the ball in contact. Referee Jaco van Heerden’s “anything goes” approach at the breakdown, where scant regard was paid offside lines and entering from behind the last feet a seemingly quaint and outdated concept, certainly helped to ensure that neither halfback enjoyed anything resembling quick ball, but on a night when the humidity was under control and only a little dew served to complicate matters, the handling was rather awful.

As is so often the case at Kings Park of late, it was a flurry of cards late in the opening period that finally brought the crowd to life. Jannie du Plessis reacted in frustration after a block, slapping opposite number Laurie Weeks with an open hand. Weeks lost his rag and retaliated with a flurry of punches, four of which appeared to connect with the big Bok’s facial area. To his credit, van Heerden got this one spot on, showing du Plessis a yellow card for inciting the foray and Weeks a straight red for his blatant acts of thuggery. With the Sharks certain to be a man to the good for the entire second half, one would have hoped they’d press on and score a comfortable victory; at the time of the incident, a Lionel Cronje penalty was all that separated the teams.

S’bura Sithole, one of the few Sharks who looked like he had “come to play” duly powered over for an impressive try minutes later, but the good work was undone just before the break, with Rebels captain Scott Higginbotham brushing off a poor tackle attempt from Cronje to bring his side back within three.

One felt this was always going to be a tough game for the Sharks, coming after a long tour and with a number of combination disrupted due to injury. apart from the loss of Stephan Lewies and Frans Steyn, the team also saw Ryan Kankowski and Willem Alberts withdraw just before kick off, with Odwa Ndungane and Beast Mtawarira going off in the first quarter. Those who remained looked lethargic, perhaps none more so that Mouritz Botha and Renaldo Bothma, each of whom turned in rather lacklustre showing on the night. The second half “blitz” failed to materialise and it was the visitors, despite their numerical disadvantage, who were looking the strong er team when a freak Lwazi Mvovo intercept try opened some daylight again.

Heimar Williams scored what must surely be the try of the season seven minutes later, the replacement centre weaving, darting and jinking past five defenders to eventually power over the line for his first at this level. Cronje’s conversion put the hosts comfortably ahead at 22-7, but as is so often the case, in pushing for the bonus point score, the Sharks lost defensive structure and ended up conceding shortly afterwards, with Higginbotham picking up a second just short of the hour mark.

A late Cronje penalty restored a bigger buffer, allowing the Sharks to retain the lead despite Bryce Heggarty’s late try.

The Sharks squad will now have a week off and look to recharge the batteries ahead of the last game of the season; a Kings Park clash with the conference-leading Stormers in a fortnight’s time.

Sharks (25): Tries S’bura Sithole, Lwazi Mvovo, Heimar Williams. Conversions Lionel Cronje (2). Penalties Cronje (2).
Rebels (21): Tries Scott Higginbotham (2), Bryce Heggarty. Conversions Jack Debreczeni (3).



106 Comments

  • “Error-strewn” is about right!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.05.15 21:15:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Bothma is not the answer at 8 … missed 2 tackles that resulted in tries. A couple of silly penalties and when running off the scrum turned over possesion by running away from support.

    Mat stevens is not competitive in a 7 on 8 scrum.

    We have one lineout option. Our locks are both in their mid 30s and are not competitive

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.05.15 21:29:50 by byron Reply

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  • Aiaiaiaiai…

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.05.15 22:00:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Time to start anew. Most of them will play their last game in 2 weeks tike for the sharks

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.05.15 22:21:06 by Dunx Reply

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  • Best thing to do is put this behind you Maybe watch some high school rugby and marvel at great gap in professionalism. High schools kids being the bench mark this floundering squad should aspire to….dreadfull. just awful. ..in fact Rob take the whole weekend it can wait till Monday. ..

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.05.15 23:59:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • And so Heimar scores in his first game!!!!!! Tallented player just hope he gets more chances before we lose him to another union!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.05.15 00:33:28 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 6) : It wasn’t his first game.

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.05.15 04:51:57 by Ben Reply
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  • Man I would love to see Heimar and Sithole as our center pairing…our coaches it seems however, not so much :roll:

    I wonder if Sithole has drawn the attention of HM…he surely ticks all the HM boxes: he’s big, he’s strong, can run over guys – just not Afrikaans :twisted:

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.05.15 05:33:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 8) : 1.82m 94kg. Not big at all. But he does punch well above his weight.

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.05.15 06:48:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 8) : Hopefully we will see that center pairing in the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.05.15 06:55:03 by Ben Reply
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  • Well even though it sounds like they played like utter shite (couldn’t watch the game/wasn’t interested in watching the game) they did what they are always expected to do – beat the Rebels home or away. So I am happy in that.

    Morne must be a little disappointed hey?… :lol:

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.05.15 07:15:06 by Feather Reply

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  • In fairness to Morne he did say he’d be happy if the Sharks surprised him.

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.05.15 07:15:41 by Feather Reply

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  • Now to beat the Stormers in our last game!!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.05.15 07:16:20 by Feather Reply

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  • Ugly. But a win. Beats the hell out of losing ugly!

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.05.15 07:23:56 by Morné Reply
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  • Sithole, Heimar and Bothma the stand-outs. Majola did fairly well too. The young guys in general were far better than the veterans. Cronje not as good as we were expecting. Stevens, JPP, and the scrum were I’m afraid not good. Frustrating game to watch.

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.05.15 07:34:45 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Is it just me or was van Heerden getting unnecessarily pissy with the Sharks in the second half? Blimey he really seems to hate the Sharks. Jannie was really petulant and I can’t imagine the management at Montpellier would allow it.Perhaps the time for a change of scenery for the Doep brothers is way overdue

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.05.15 07:42:10 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • There was more satisfaction with gobbling a cold cheese puff than watching that game… Except for the Sithole and Williams tries. What in the flip happened to our scrum and our ball skills? Why bother watching this brand of Sharks rugby get it’s butt kicked by the arrogant stormers in a fortnight

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.05.15 07:47:37 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 16) : Didn’t watch the game myself so can’t comment on last night’s game but the number of times I’ve seen Jannie undermine, swear in disgust or generally subtly belittle a ref is disappointing. Of course the ref should ignore it but human nature being what it is, he makes it very difficult. Do everything you’re responsible for, keep your thoughts to yourself and get on with it! These are qualities I want to see in our players.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.05.15 08:33:48 by Surprise Attack Reply

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  • Hold on. Just read the Rebels played with 14 players for more than 50 minutes after a red card! And we only scraped home by a measly 4 points????

    Oh gawd we must have been uber shite.

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.05.15 08:43:17 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 19) : That’s correct.

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.05.15 08:44:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : I am so glad I have taken up a new hobby.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.05.15 08:46:52 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 19) : It was a th prop though, we all know they don’t do much other than scrum. ;-)

    And we played most of the game with Stevens replacing Beast, which effectively left us with 14 players too :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.05.15 09:01:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Woke up at 5 to watch this game,words can’t describe the disappointment,playing against 14 for the second half and almost loose the game,Jannie and Bissie need to move on.I’ve always believed defense wins a game and the way ours is going we will have to rely on red cards or a biased ref,for us to win

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.05.15 09:26:35 by clarkville Reply

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  • Mvovo has totally lost the ability to pass.

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.05.15 09:35:53 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 19) : Not saying the Sharks, or Rebels, werent bad but by that reckoning the Crusaders were absolute crap in Christchuch last year when we beat them with 14 on the park. Hell we beat the Chiefs with 13 earlier this year. Clearly having the numerical advantage does not guarantee a runaway win.

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.05.15 09:54:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 24) : maybe he wants to become a forward.

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.05.15 09:55:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 6) : Heimar has been given quite a lot of chances actually, but he hasn’t set the rugby scene alight. A small but solid player, he’s a helluva better option than the ponderous Andre Esterhuizen.

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.05.15 09:55:39 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • Maybe the reason for Jannie and Bissie being such a-holes is because of the Jake White/Montpellier factor.

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.05.15 09:56:20 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Left K.P last night with a feeling of huge disatisfaction.
    Probably one of the most disapointing games I have watched.
    The root of the problem is that this is 15 players without leaders.
    No game plan and no desire to play for each other.
    Seriously this is the best we will ever get under Gold and Venter,and it has the potential to get worse.
    Time for the old Natal players to take back this team.
    Teich,Mark Andrews, if you feel anything for the history of this union it is time to make a stand.
    Natal rugby deserves beter than this.

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.05.15 11:19:07 by The hound Reply
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  • Gary Gold has to take the blame for fielding a guy like Stevens.
    The guy might have a decent past and have been forced on him by Venter but it’s Gold ‘s responsibility to produce conditioned players on the field.
    Stevens is so overweight and out of condition,that it is amazing he hasn’t had a heart attack.
    Gold could at least get him a jersey that fits him so that the children behind the posts aren’t exposed to his fat white gut spewing out of his jersey.
    How can a proud Union like ours justify this guy on the field,week after week,what ever money was spent on him and no matter whose mate he is enough is enough

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.05.15 11:32:00 by The hound Reply
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  • Would you pass if the clowns around kept knocking and spilling the ball? Safer to just take the tackle and hope the forwards can salvage it. The times he did pass his teammates messed up. Looks like the little progress made in handling has reversed so too defense

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.05.15 11:32:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • The game was marred with mis management from before kick off the ads in the press said the game was on Saturday.
    While Cronje was converting a try,the music was blaring thru the P.A.,and we end with Marco in that fucking embarrassing Rugbyginners cap.
    Get rid of these turkeys.

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.05.15 11:37:27 by The hound Reply
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  • We should see another open letter from John Smit soon. How about instead of the open letter you type up a resignation letter. True you don’t coach and make team decisions, but you do decide which coaches, scouts and consultants to hire, and in that you have failed miserably thus far. Save all the money you were going to spend on dup brothers replacements use your own guys and hire a new coach team. Give Gold and his clowns a retrenchment package or fir them for non performance, incompetence or whatever. This team will not even win a curry cup; even a vodacom cup for that matter. Meanwhile gre

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.05.15 11:39:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 31) : I’ll grudgingly concede that the ball was very slippery ,lots of dew around,but hell Bothma must have spewed five on his own

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.05.15 11:39:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 33) : Simple solution is put Natal rugby back in Natal hands.

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.05.15 11:41:32 by The hound Reply
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  • Great players already in must be weighing their options by now. If you cannot play in a standout team how can you be recognised and increase your value? We will end up with the guys who cannot get a game elsewhere. Is this the beginning of another dark age for the sharks? Will history note that John smit Gary gold Brendan venter and Co were the worst thing to happen to the sharks in 15 years. Helluva legacy to leave….

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.05.15 11:43:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 34) : Ja he was not great. But there was no calming influence no steady hand to help correct things and pull it together. Lambie could have been that guy Bismarck should have been that guy as much as I dislike him someone like mat field would have been that guy were this his team.

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.05.15 11:45:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 37) : Warren Whitley

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.05.15 11:47:28 by The hound Reply
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  • Yes but doubt Warren would want this mess to sort out. But the amount of money they were going to offer bissie and Jannie could change that. And get Redelinghuis back too. Andrews to coach forwards Percy or honiball kicking coach Venter a permanent post looking after back line.

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.05.15 11:53:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 39) : Venter will never commit to a permanent post but he won’t piss off either,so we are stuck with a guy who wants to be in charge when it suits him.
    The only type of coach who will work in these circumstances is a no hoper like Gold,I am certain Jake left cause he couldn’t tolerate Venter’s meddling.
    How can the Sharks be great when we put our whole structure in the hands of a guy who lives in Cape Town,and divides his spare time between us and the Saracens.

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.05.15 12:07:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 36) : unfortunately its happening weekly

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.05.15 12:52:58 by benji Reply
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  • Well, I don’t think anyone is afraid of the Sharks anymore. In a deeply ironic twist they have become the Rugbyginners. Yes we have to eat poo more than other teams when it comes to dodgy referees. Yes we had a ridiculous number of changes and interruptions, but the drop in standards and the seeming lack of organisation is not good enough. I honestly don’t see us beating the stormers or getting to the Currie Cup playoffs. Many fans will remain fans whilst being in a prolonged state of mourning, looking for uppers by way of secondary teams who they don’t really care about. And in my truly darkest rugby times I begin to doubt that the brains trust actually know how to fix it.

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.05.15 13:11:51 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Top Ten Players from the match: http://www.rugby.net/s/roAKKgQZm6m

    Higgers takes the top spot with a huge two try performance. However, lots of new faces for Sharks on the list. Big performances from a couple of promising youngsters such as Heimar Williams and Khaya Majola.

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.05.15 15:45:19 by therugbynet Reply

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  • @therugbynet (Comment 43) : what’s your tackle count for Majola?

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.05.15 15:58:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 2) :
    We had good young props (Herbst, Schonert, Redelinghuys)
    We had good young locks (Marais brother, Bresler)

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.05.15 17:10:39 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • Wonderful moment at the end of the Bath/Saracens game when big Al Hargreaves gave Brad Barrit a hug,I first saw these two playing together as 12 year olds for Durban Prep school many years ago.
    When we talk about lost opportunities,well sigh…

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.05.15 17:30:06 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 46) : just have some patience and wait 5 years. When they are old and over the hill and no longer good enough for Saracens they will be shipped off to Durban.

    We have become Saracens’dumping ground for their has beens.

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.05.15 18:03:55 by Feather Reply

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  • Oh and Houndy, I note you are singing a different tune today. A week ago it was all Kumbaya and positive and poor Gary “Beige” should stay. Now Venter and Gold must go… he he he Nkandla he he he.

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.05.15 18:05:33 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 48) : You smoke some funny shit,when did I ever champion Beige,I named him and everything I said before he arrived has happened,he is worse than Putt and Strauelli,those two at least had balls,even if they had no brains.

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.05.15 18:54:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 49) : “,he is worse than Putt and Strauelli”, ahem Strools has a brilliant coaching record at the Sharks, at Super and age group level. Not fair to pick on his coaching credentials at the Sharks.

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.05.15 20:56:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 50) : I’m sure Corne Krige will agree with you.

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.05.15 21:08:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 51) : And Corne Krige played for the Sharks when?

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.05.15 21:11:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 15) : I’m surprised that you think Bothma did well. What did I miss?

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.05.15 21:22:29 by Ben Reply
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  • Congrats to the Pumas for winning the Vodacom Cup, well deserved win.

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.05.15 21:42:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) : Some good news after all. :grin:

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.05.15 22:12:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 29) : Wow The hound. This took you 12 weeks to finally figure out. Better late than never I guess. Your view on Gary being allowed to at least get his own coaching team before we declare him the shitiest coach ever?

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.05.15 09:53:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 40) : Jake left cause he couldn’t understand why a union as powerful as the Sharks had not yet won a SR title. He then introduced a culture change and made the guys treat this as their full time job. This meant working from 9 to 5 on the field, in the gym and meeting room. Made conditioning a non discussion issue (Stevens in the shape would never play under Jake). He then refused to work with BMH, Sean and Paul any longer cause they were not adding any value and found himself also coaching or teaching them. Everybody was unhappy. Jake was unhappy with his “useless” coaching staff, assistant coaches were unhappy cause Jake didn’t value them and thought they were at the very best Vodacom Cup quality, players were unhappy cause they thought this professionalism was micromanagement….gone were they days of non accountability and taking responsibility for your actions. Assistant coaches and players voiced their dissatisfaction to John. John identified Jake as the common problem. Jake was asked to leave. Sharks went back to the following: normal 2 to 3 hours 4 days a week schedule, lack of conditioning, no direction or plan on the field, no urgency, no defence, the red and yellow cards, the crap player selection, the old injury excuse causing a disruption when everyone knows that if you have a system in place the next player simply fits into that system and we don’t lose much….yes the good players will still make contributions but within the system or game plan. Sharks need a hard man as their coach but that hard man can’t be teamed up with school boy coaches. How come the Brumbies and Jake worked? How come the Jake and Eddie Jones combo worked? This is where John dropped the ball. He should have fired those school coaches and put in strong value adding assistants. For all we know, Jake probably turned into this horrible guy cause of all the frustration of feeling that he was all alone in this…useless assistants and a CEO busy cycling the country when there is a SR title to win. The Brumbies just a few weeks ago still praise Jake for the team they are today. Makes you think.

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.05.15 10:33:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 57) : very well put and good for you for telling it like it is and one thing for sure the Sharks would not be in 11th place and REBUILDING

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.05.15 11:16:56 by benji Reply
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  • Win is still preferable to a loss so well done on seeing it through boys

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.05.15 15:40:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 59) : A win for me at this stage of the season means jack. You may move from 11th to 10th and then what? These desperate wins for me conceal the problems and do more damage in the long run. For me, it’s about the quality of the performance, than upward curve that shows progress on the training field translated to progress at game time. Get that right The wins will come.

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.05.15 17:18:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 60) : It’s one more thing you have no control over and need to start making peace with I guess. Some fans congratulate their team, no matter how ugly the win. I’m sorry I’m less disappointed than others are.

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.05.15 17:41:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I’ve read all the comments here…and, although I share many of the thoughts and frustration, there is one thought I want to throw into the ring, something that hasn’t been said in this thread at all:
    - the last three games on tour did shoe some clear areas of improvement. We should not lose sight of that…
    - this week was always going to be tough. What with travel and injuries, I really expected us to lose. In the light of that I really am chuffed that we pulled out a win.
    - before you all criticize that previous comment, I was also really frustrated with much on show on Friday…but (one last positive comments) some of the most watchable moments were also provided: Heimar Williams’ break, run and try was a thing of beauty!
    Anyway, just a few things that I think also need to be said…

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.05.15 17:43:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 61) : :mrgreen: We seem to roughly in the same corner of the field!

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.05.15 17:44:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 61) : @pastorshark (Comment 63) : I love the Sharks too much to accept mediocrity. Something needs to change and I too believe that our biggest problems come from our assistant coaches.

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.05.15 18:17:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 64) : I’ve heard that first sentence so many times now in response to something I’ve said. Please explain to me how what I’ve said in any way indicates that I am accepting mediocrity?! “Not accepting mediocrity” should surely never be equated to not being able to see and appreciate anything positive…or?

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.05.15 18:21:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 65) : I wasn’t accusing you of anything. Merely adding my opinion.

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.05.15 18:26:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 66) : Fair enough…

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.05.15 18:27:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 65) : @Ben (Comment 66) : But if the shoe fits then you should probably wear it, I guess. ;) :)

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.05.15 18:27:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 68) : Very few shoes fit my big feet… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.05.15 18:29:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I too saw some positives, but the negatives far outweighed the positives, I’m afraid.

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.05.15 18:30:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 68) : I should probably also say something that isn’t always clear in the comments in these threads: I love the Sharks so much, that even when they’re mediocre, I love them…

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.05.15 18:31:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 70) : That too is fair enough…I wrote my comment because I think it would be nice if, even when the negatives comfortably outweigh them, the positives are also stated here… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 31.05.15 18:33:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 72) : I get it. Sithole was brilliant. Heimar was pretty good and so was Majola. Those are the three biggest positives for me coming out of this game.

  • Comment 73, posted at 31.05.15 18:36:24 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 73) : Oh and one more. Jannie’s slap probably won us the game! :lol:

    Couldn’t see us winning if it was 15 vs 15 in the second half.

  • Comment 74, posted at 31.05.15 18:38:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 74) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 31.05.15 18:43:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 73) : I did say I was extremely frustrated on Friday: the handling errors, the pointlessness, the handling errors, the inability to finish…aaand the handling errors were awful. I reckon that the special moments were all individual and not team based…but the special moments were enjoyable!

  • Comment 76, posted at 31.05.15 18:47:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 76) : The most frustrating part for me was when we realised we’re too useless too score a bonus point try and opted for the kick at goal instead. :roll:

  • Comment 77, posted at 31.05.15 18:49:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 77) : The whole “not getting a bonus point” thing was extremely disappointing! Oh my word…and we had so many chances!!! Culminating in JP knocking Cronje’s lovely kick to the corner…

  • Comment 78, posted at 31.05.15 18:56:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 57) : I am by nature a very inquisitive person and this post of yours has really got my interest levels up. As you are obviously very close to the team can you please enlighten me as to
    1. when did Jake refuse to work with BMH, Sean and Paul,
    2. when did the players and assistant coaches have their secret meeting with JS.
    3. Do the players train for 4 days a weeek, for a maximium of 3 hours per day?

  • Comment 79, posted at 01.06.15 08:51:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • The most positive thing I can say is – thx for the win.

  • Comment 80, posted at 01.06.15 08:54:52 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Oh and before I forget, Sharks fans, Im sorry your team won (again)…not all of you hey. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 01.06.15 08:56:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 57) : Saying you hit the nail on the head, would be an understatement.

  • Comment 82, posted at 01.06.15 09:10:12 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 80) : Ok I lied – the other positives was the performances of Sithole and Majola and That try for Heimar Williams wow ;-)

  • Comment 83, posted at 01.06.15 09:14:09 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Any chance of Jannie getting cited? I would like for him to get a mandatory 2 week rest for his brain fart. Could have cost us that game. And I for one am glad to see him leave.

  • Comment 84, posted at 01.06.15 09:30:52 by JarsonX Reply
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  • ja it is a disappointing season and squad management is a problem. We played a lot if not most games without the following:

    1. Beast
    2. Bismark
    3.
    4. PSDT
    5. Lewies
    6.
    7. Alberts
    8. Kanko
    9. Reinach
    10.Lambie
    11.
    12. Steyn
    13. Jordaan
    14.
    15. SP

    Most of these guys would be expected to be the starting lineup at the beginning of season.

    Planet, Botha and Bothma probably only rotation players but played almost every game. No one expected Fred, Kyle and JPP to be so off form either. Additional injuries to Dale and Esterhuizen robbed us as well. Thomas and Du P twins also missed second half due to Junior Boks duty so we pretty much played a lot with third choice players most of the time and it showed. Lets be realistic, Stevens would not make the squad if we have Beast, Jannie, Dale, Lourens and Thomas available.

    What is concerning is that how come the Bulls and Lions do not have such injury problems? Bulls gameplan is even more physical, so are our conditioning and planning up to scratch?

    Sithole and Ungerer took their few chances. Cronje like Reinach dished brilliance with equal amount of shite.

  • Comment 85, posted at 01.06.15 09:40:44 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 57) : What was Jakes problem with the assistant coaches,who you must admit produced a lot better results under him than the current regime.
    You are still blaming them for the Gold era,fuck the Gold era sounds pathetic,and do you still think Sean and Brad still run the show,and Venter and Horak are there to hold the tackle dummies.
    Speculation should be the name of this site.

  • Comment 86, posted at 01.06.15 09:41:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 86) : One day I would love to know why you refuse to talk bad about BMH. I was at HIlton while he was 1st team coach there… He is a school boy coach and not even a very good one at that.

  • Comment 87, posted at 01.06.15 09:48:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 86) : A friend of mine whom is a journalist had an off the field discussion with Jake and the discussion contained much of what is written below by KEO.

    As far as I am concerned, these are now two independent sources saying the same thing.

    Enjoy the below reading and hope this puts an end to the many excuses and points us in the right direction.

     Shambolic Sharks are missing Jake

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    13 Apr 2015 Follow mark_keohane More by mark_keohane  1128 82 Jake White and John Smit in October 2013

    On-field discipline and defence at the Sharks went with the departure of Jake White, writes MARK KEOHANE in Business Day.

    The Sharks were quick to dismiss Springbok World Cup-winning coach White in 2014 after an eight-month stint that realised the winning of the South African conference, a first ever win against the Crusaders in Christchurch, a first ever back-to-back triumph in New Zealand and three away wins in four Australasian tour starts.

    White’s Sharks won a home play-off qualifier before losing the semi-final away to the Crusaders.

    The end for White was abrupt. The senior players wanted him out because they found his methods too disciplinarian, too prescriptive and too draining. They didn’t like the protocols White had instilled of demanding the players report to Kings Park at 8:30in the morning for a working day.

    It was not the way things were done in Durban. It apparently was not the Sharks way. The players were unhappy.

    White was not prepared to compromise. He was also not prepared to continue to work with a coaching staff (in Brad MacLeod-Henderson and Paul Anthony) whose professional coaching experience did not extend a year. 

    Sharks CEO and former Springbok captain John Smit had made the appointments of the former high-school coaching duo. Smit and MacLeod-Henderson had played as teammates for the Sharks. Anthony had coached Smit at Pretoria Boys’ High. Smit insisted on the duo’s potential amid criticism that it was a ‘jobs for pals’ situation.
    Brendan Venter was another Smit had included in the Sharks set-up, as a consultant to the inexperienced professional coaching twosome. Venter had overseen the winning of the Currie Cup, but White emphasised one was a feeder competition and Vodacom Super Rugby was the toughest provincial competition in the world.

    White was non-negotiable in his thinking. The Sharks, in the history of Super Rugby, had never won the title. He felt it was unacceptable that the Sharks continued to fail with the squad quality, the budget available and the strength of the Sharks global brand. He felt only a change of culture would bring a change in results.

    The players were entrenched in their ways and accustomed to a rugby lifestyle that accommodated their social lifestyle.

    White, with the Midas touch wherever he has coached, was not the right fit for the Sharks. They deemed him unpopular and the players flexed their muscle to force an immediate exit.

    You would have believed the Sharks were wooden spoonists in the competition; such was the send-off of the World Cup winner.

    The Sharks Currie Cup team then took a 50-point beating in their semi-final of the domestic competition and settled into an off-season in which everyone expressed happiness and confidence in the likes of MacLeod-Henderson and Anthony.

    They are considered good guys in Durban and the players like them. But their happy team took 50 points in a semi-final.

    And this happy team was made even happier with the appointment of former Springbok assistant coach Gary Gold as the director of rugby and effectively the head coach.

    The pre-season was hyped because the players were content and had the right fit in a coaching staff, who would allow the players to express their natural talent.

    Anthony was a media regular in talking up the attack of the Sharks. MacLeod-Henderson spoke of the culture, new defence coach Michael Horak spoke of the balance required on defence and attack. Gold, who only arrived a week before the season proper because of Japanese coaching commitments, added to the celebration of Sharks rugby, which in the 2015 Super Rugby season, would reward attack.

    This squad was going to entertain, score tries and win over friends of the running game. White’s Sharks were deemed dour, boring and condemned for having allowed a head coach to instill discipline, defence and conditioning as the pillars of their blueprint,

    White, in 2014, did the talking when it came to rugby matters. Now everyone had a voice and every day a player or one of the coaching staff was waxing lyrical about the joys of Sharks rugby and of the ambitions of an attack-minded team that wanted to entertain with five-pointers and not win because of an ability to deny the opposition five pointers.
    Life, as a Sharks rugby player, was again good. Order had been restored.

    Then the season started and the Sharks lost at home to the Cheetahs in the opener and the first month produced a team of individuals, ill-disciplined on the field, devoid of defensive desire and yet still convinced they were a content unit capable of winning the tournament

    White’s Sharks had conceded 22 tries in the winning of the SA conference and making the semi-finals. Gold’s happy campers in 2015, eight rounds into the competition, had conceded 22 tries. The Crusaders, reduced to 12 against the Sharks’ 15 at one stage, put 50 past the Sharks in Durban and the Lions beat them in Johannesburg at the weekend.

     

    But Smit, Gold and the players don’t agree that the Sharks are a squad in crisis. It’s all smiles within the group in Durban and the leadership has been dismissive of critique around the coaching appointments and player recruitment.

    White is coaching Montpellier in France – a team he has improved and are now favoured to make the play-offs. He has done it through discipline and a respect for defence. But White’s is a cussed name in Durban because he did it his way. That upset the players and support coaches.

    Sure they won the SA conference and made the semi-finals but rugby was apparently made to feel like a job.

    Players, it’s said, again have their voice and every coach is a voice in 2015. Rugby again feels like a sport and Monday to Friday is no longer an 8:30start working day.

    On-field discipline and defence are things that went with White.

    Training is again a pleasure, as is playing because where White demanded discipline and winning, the perfect fit of coaches and players have agreed it’s about entertaining and freedom of expression.

    Hence, the continued defence of team unity and disregard and annoyance at anyone who describes the 2015 campaign as a shambles and suggests the word crisis

     

     

  • Comment 88, posted at 01.06.15 10:53:43 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 88) : thank you

  • Comment 89, posted at 01.06.15 11:14:18 by benji Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 88) : “White is coaching Montpellier in France – a team he has improved and are now favoured to make the play-offs.”
    Well they didnt make the play offs and his win percentage at Montpellier is now below that of this current Sharks teams. Midas touch has been missing this year.

  • Comment 90, posted at 01.06.15 11:18:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 90) : 13 April 2015….date article was published. Once thing about White is his ability to identify and recruit talent when he sees that the current team needs beefing up.

  • Comment 91, posted at 01.06.15 12:06:25 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 91) : I reckon most coaches, fans etc will be able to identify where there team needs beefing up and where they are lagging in depth. White, and any other French coach is in a great position in that he has a shed load of money to throw at the best players. SA coaches arent even on the same page, so it would be hard to even compare them.

  • Comment 92, posted at 01.06.15 12:32:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 88) : Look Jake and Keo go back to the days when they were video assistants to Strauelli at Kamp Staaldraad,take anything coming out of Keo’s mouth with a pinch of coke.
    Paul Anthony as our friend Rob will attest to was the Bulls under 21coach for many years.
    Brad was a fantastic rugby player playing many games for the Sharks,they both have very credible rugby records as good as say Ackerman or Larkam orTodd Blackadder.
    I think you have the wrong end of the stick here ,I AM A HUGE jake fan,I just don’t buy into the crap that Brad and Paul and Sean,had the power to get rid of Jake absolute crappola.
    The real story needs to come out,by now you’d think that some decent journalist like Mike Greenaway
    would have given it to us.

  • Comment 93, posted at 01.06.15 13:11:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 88) : I hadn’t read that before. It just makes me really really angry, because it is so true. What is worse is that there is no change in sight, it will be the same CEO, the same school boy coaches and an even weaker side next season. Sharks rugby I feel has been damaged, and will be mediocre for a very long time to come.

  • Comment 94, posted at 01.06.15 15:26:09 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : “The real story needs to come out,by now you’d think that some decent journalist like Mike Greenaway”

    Either there are no decent journalists left on earth, or there just is no real story. I tend to believe the latter.

  • Comment 95, posted at 01.06.15 15:27:18 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 95) : Have to agree, this assistant coaches ganging up with disgruntled players and then ousting JW is just a bit too way out for me to get my head around. The players throwing their toys, threatening to strike maybe but the collusion seems a bit over the top.

  • Comment 96, posted at 01.06.15 16:07:36 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 96) : the problem here is that there are two very distinct schools of thought.

    The one is that it doesn’t matter if the guy you report to is an asshole, if he’s the best in the business then you must just suck it up and get on with it.

    The other is that nobody likes working for an asshole and that unhappy people don’t do their best work.

  • Comment 97, posted at 01.06.15 16:31:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : Both of those have their merits and are understandable. I dont mind the coach being an asshole, its when he gets personal that things start changing.

  • Comment 98, posted at 01.06.15 16:39:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Andries Bekker in line for a Bok recall ahead of the World Cup.

  • Comment 99, posted at 01.06.15 16:47:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : There is only one actually if you are the best in the world you can getaway with anything.
    While you are winning you are bulletproof.Very few unions,clubs,countries provinces will put up with serial losers like Alistar Coetzee and Nakka Drotsky.
    Serious arse holes like Alex Ferguson,Mouhrinho,and Michael Cheika,will be tolerated while they are winning.But as the Real Madrid coach just found out in probably the highest paying coaching job in Sport,coming second makes you an instant arsehole.

  • Comment 100, posted at 01.06.15 17:07:40 by The hound Reply
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  • I was wondering, since Jannie received a card and the Sharks were talking about being ruthless about discipline, did Jannie forfeit any benefit?

  • Comment 101, posted at 03.06.15 19:13:56 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 101) : no, because it wouldn’t be in his contract.

    Sharks are only writing that clause into contracts signed by new players coming in.

  • Comment 102, posted at 03.06.15 21:58:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 94) : @The hound (Comment 100) : in a proper or truly Professional franchise you employ the best to be the best,its simple

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.06.15 08:10:56 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : There is also another side to the story, discipline gets you to the Semi Final vs 11th on the log.

    I still say, if the players did revolt against JW, then so be it, but they obviously needed the discipline to catch a darn wake up and work.

    If you play rugby like a school kid then you need to be coached like a school kid to get to the top.

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.06.15 09:34:16 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 104) : I suspect that you and I have radically different ideas about what is required to run a successful rugby team. Vive le difference as they say :mrgreen:

  • Comment 105, posted at 04.06.15 09:42:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 04.06.15 09:51:07 by Uli Boelie Reply
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