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Gold’s time to shine


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 17 Jun 2015 at 09:44
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Let’s revisit a topic first raised during the early days of this year’s Super Rugby campaign, when the first signs of a less-than-stellar season started to emerge. I asked (via a cake-baking analogy that admittedly fell rather flat) just what effect the constant changing of coaches must be having on the Sharks squad and put forward the hypothesis that it was this change in itself that was mostly to blame for the drop in performance, rather than anything to do with the skill levels of the particular individuals.

Things have moved on and after another disappointing campaign where the team failed to live up to their potential, yet more coaching changes are on the cards. A few senior players (who may or may not have had undue influence within the squad) are also making their own departures and with the guy who wore the head coach mantle in Currie Cup last year, Brad Macleod-Henderson, having resigned there is again a huge amount of uncertainty. Wild talk abounds, with every man and his dog who holds even a level 1 coaching certificate now poised to swoop in and become the next big thing who will reinvent and “save” Sharks rugby.

The way forward for the Sharks, I believe, is to not change everything all over again. The magic ingredient here is time and Gary Gold – the man appointed to make us great again – has not had that. He’s not had time and he’s not had total control and if he’s to be successful in the role appointed to him, he needs to very quickly step up and make it clear that he’s the man in charge, that he has a plan and that he knows how to execute it. Those wanting to throw stones will find plenty to hand and given just how badly his first 6 months in the job have gone, the Director will need a thick skin in order to deflect those.

Success, though, is not defined by never going through hard times or by never getting things wrong. You couldn’t ask for a tougher baptism into job than Gold has had I genuinely feel that over the next few months, we will learn a lot about the character of the man tasked with turning the Sharks into a championship-winning team.

Whoever the Sharks end up appointing to fill whatever vacant coaching roles they feel they have will be irrelevant, unless Gold has a clear plan, a clear blueprint and a rock-solid job description, with clear responsibilities, for every role to be filled by any coach, whether current or yet to be appointed. I would like him to rather focus on putting together and communicating that plan, before rushing out to the market to hire yet another head coach who may have different ideas entirely. First, he needs to be very clear about what it is that he’s looking for, then he needs to go out and find that person. In the meantime, he needs to find a way to get the Sharks through a trying Currie Cup campaign where anything worse than a semi-final appearance simply will not be tolerated. If that means he needs to coach the team himself for another six months, then that’s what he should do, rather than rushing an appointment and risking the purity of his plan and his vision.



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  • Can someone please tell if Gold is actually living in dbn or ct?

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.06.15 09:47:46 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 1) : he is employed full-time as the Sharks Director of Rugby, which is a 6 day a week job.

    I don’t know what his exact address is, but what does it matter? Do you think he can work in Durban 6 days a week if he doesn’t live there?

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.06.15 09:50:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yup…

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.06.15 09:51:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Great article once again. Gold needs to put his stamp on the team and the coaching structures. I’m really hoping they can give clarity of how the currie cup coaching box is going to look like, even if they leave head coach vacant/to Gold once again.

    The best would be if they announce the new head coaches as soon as possible really. They had to know for months now that BMH is going to be moving on/reassigned, so they should have been looking at getting the coaching structures correct for a while now. I understand if they are still waiting for a few guys to make their minds up, but as soon as this happens they need to announce it.

    Gold needs to get this right, he’s been there for a few months now, so no more excuses.

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.06.15 09:52:08 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 1) : Huh? Surely not…

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.06.15 09:53:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Rob do you think it is wise to delay the appointment of a new head coach. If Gary Gold’s role will be more towards getting all the structures at the union in order, then surely that is where his focus should be. What is needed now is dedication in the right areas. And although I agree that we should not rush into appointing a coach, I also don’t think we should wait to long. Besides the CC will give the incoming coach a good idea of what he has to work with in next year’s Super Rugby comp.

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.06.15 09:53:49 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 4) : +1

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.06.15 09:55:31 by Farlington Reply

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  • All true, with the one problem, it seems as if Gold himself is reluctant to coach and wants to get stuck into the actual job he was appointed to do – being the Director of Rugby at the Sharks where, in his own words, “there is a heck of a lot of work that needs to be done, and some of the structures have been neglected and will take time to get right”

    I dont think we will see him coaching the CC team.

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.06.15 10:15:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I would prefer it if we can get the new Head Coach in asap to start with CC and building for SR 2016.

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.06.15 10:20:01 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Not sure what the Sharks need to do – as a whole, rugby in SA is in a very dark hole.

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.06.15 10:23:06 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 6) : if the right guys is available now and they know who he is and have done the homework to ensure he will fit into the strategy, then by all means, get him on board.

    Lots of ifs, though.

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.06.15 10:24:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nice article. Nothing better than clear communication between all stakeholders. I also think a fair amount of expectation management would be wise. I feel the wave Dick Muir stood up and Plumtree rode has long broken. We’re paddling out again and need to make peace with it.

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.06.15 10:24:52 by Surprise Attack Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 8) : Wanted to write the exact thing you have so eloquently written. Gold imo has shown just about want he can do from a coaching point of view and unfortunately it is not enough. He will therefore rely heavily on the new HC to map out how he sees the Sharks playing. If Gary is happy with the proposal, he (Gary) will have to ensure the rest of teams adopt the same playing style. This will therefore involve a cross functional approach inclusive of all the coaches at the Sharks coordinated by Gary. I hope we are all aware of the importance of getting someone that is technically clued up and is able to clearly articulate the playing style to other coaches. Mitchell!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.06.15 10:26:30 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Surprise Attack (Comment 12) : yes. I actually wrote something to that effect in the article, but didn’t manage to word it well, so I took it out.

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.06.15 10:27:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 9) : @robdylan (Comment 11) : Im with Rob here, get the right coach for the right reasons, the first criteria being not to fill the post just for the sake of filling it.

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.06.15 10:28:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • “via a cake-baking analogy that admittedly fell rather flat”

    Enjoyed that :grin:

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.06.15 10:28:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 15) : Or teh Sharks could create a reality TV show running the length of the CC competition: “So you think you can coach?”. Invite everyone with a level 1 coaching certificate and above and let them fight it out weekly. Sell the rights to SuperSport. Profit.

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.06.15 10:32:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : :lol: This would work, I would watch it religeously and The Sharks will be hailed as being innovative.

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.06.15 10:34:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 13) : sounds to me like you are proposing that the Sharks hire a new Director of Rugby and make Gold his secretary.

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.06.15 10:39:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : so long as they bring their dog too

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.06.15 10:40:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 16) : why thank you :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.06.15 10:40:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Will guide dogs be allowed?

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.06.15 10:40:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : based on current evidence, not only allowed but sorely needed.

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.06.15 10:45:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 15) : Maybe you misunderstood me, I didnt say take the first and best coach you can kick out from under a rock with a level 1 coaching badge etc.
    They knew from March that they want a new HC (according to the Supersport article) – consultation/discussion (with candidates) should have started then or advertisement of the post at least so that they would know by now what their options are – surely?
    It’s just my opinion that the longer the new Head Coach have with the players, i.e from CC, the better for him to get a relationship with the players going and an understanding of his ideas/gameplan ;-)
    Well something along those lines anyway :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.06.15 10:45:43 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : :) . I remember Brendon Venter SSport blog where he measured success by complete overall performance over many years instead of how much silverware you win. I wonder though if it’s wiser to target a certain period of campaigns. A little like how national squads target world cups and prepare for four years. So perhaps we build for two years and then push for Super Rugby wins in 2018, 2019, 2020. I say this because all successful SR teams go through phases of great players, great teams and great success and then crash out and rebuild again. I.e. Saders, Bulls, Sharks, Brumbies, possibly even Chiefs

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.06.15 10:47:56 by Surprise Attack Reply

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  • @Surprise Attack (Comment 25) : Just thinking out loud;)

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.06.15 10:49:12 by Surprise Attack Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 24) : Fully agree that the ideal would be if next years Super coach could be coaching this seasons Currie Cup squad. I think we missed a trick with once again getting Swys de Bruyn on board, he was clearly ready to move on from the Lions to the Kings and only when his link was confirmed in the press did the Lions come back with a better offer.

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.06.15 10:54:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 27) : Yeah look that would have been great. But lets see who we do get – would love to know who the actual candidates are that was approached ;-)

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.06.15 11:00:19 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 28) : Now that would make for some interesting banter. :lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.06.15 11:08:23 by Farlington Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : Nope. Like we do at work. You have a strategy that you present to your manager. Management accepts or rejects it. You are the expert that is relied on to execute the strategy. Yes the Sharks will have a corporate strategy that the coaches will have to show what they will do to fees into it. No ways a John would have a strategy (coaching, playing philosophy) shoved down his throat. He comes up with his plan which he will be responsible for the execution thereof. Gary’s role will have to just ensure that it talks to the bigger picture and cascade it down me thinks.

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.06.15 11:17:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 29) : Lol true :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.06.15 11:24:14 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Where are all the coaches going to come from in SA ?

    Sharks looking for S15 coach and forwards coach

    Bulls looking for S 15 coach plus a coaching team. Forwards and backs.

    WP looking for S15 coach

    EP kings looking for a S15 coach and players.

    A mass of players leaving and still leaving the country for money !

    This is a huge challenge for our country.

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.06.15 12:04:18 by Observer Reply

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  • @Observer (Comment 32) : This is the problem, SA Rugby is in a state and I’m not sure how long it will take to get out of it.

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.06.15 12:13:30 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Observer (Comment 32) : Problem is, none of the quality coaches currently in SA are willing to commit to coaching…Mallet, Mitchell and Venter – all better than the current crop of no-names, but unwilling to coach.

    Best place to find coaches these days seems to be Varsity Cup, which is exactly where the Sharks should find their head coach – one Robert du Preez Snr..

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.06.15 12:22:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : It’s actually sad that these good rugby minds are not willing to coach. I agree fully with the Robert du Preez idea.

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.06.15 12:26:48 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • For me personally im less fussed over who the coach is than how he or they intedn to correct some glaring weaknesses in the Sharks game at the moment. Our handling, especially in contact is poor. Our defensive technique and pattern needs a lot of work. Our technique at the mauls and especially the rucks leads to a lot of penalites or turnovers so that needs to be addressed. And then something thats been missing for ages is some deceptiveness in our backline moves

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.06.15 12:33:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : This the excellent point…

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.06.15 12:33:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.06.15 12:35:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.06.15 12:36:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 24) : The last time they did this were hammered for talking to people that early in the process…

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.06.15 12:37:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : I like the idea of du Preez being in the picture but should he really be the head coach of a major team already, well yes maybe he should having come through the ranks over the last year or two but this unfortunately never happened.

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.06.15 12:40:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 27) : i would just like to point out that the Lions did not Make swys a new offer . He was about to sign his contract with the kings when he changed his mind . I will complete his contract until 2016 as previously in place

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.06.15 12:58:43 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I say the constant change is breaking us. From Plumtree we changed coaching for CC under Brendan then again for SR with Jake then again for the CC after that wiyh BMH then Again for the SR under gold now again for a CC under ?? When last did we have a 2 SR in succession or a SR CC SR combo with same coach? Let’s not count in years but in competitions.

  • Comment 43, posted at 17.06.15 13:03:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 42) : Thanks, was he then legally persuaded to rethink the move. No contract extension (yet)?

  • Comment 44, posted at 17.06.15 13:04:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 43) : Crazy, but true. No continuity over the last few years.

  • Comment 45, posted at 17.06.15 13:05:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Just way off topic but does anyone feel the sharks players have not had anything uniting or bonding them as a unit for a long time now? Lions have their people’s champion thing going for them, what do we have? When we were relatively new on the scene and without player movements and coach shifts they guys had the luxury to really bond and get to know each other over many many games now it seems there no stability. How did Victor and bakkies become such a great pair? Spending huge amounts of time together. I’m not suggesting a Kamp Staaldraad but maybe the idea is correct? An intense training camp with no distractions and really be in each others faces all the time. This means only the local guys will get the benefit but so be it for the overseas contracted player. Just seems like sharks players are part time players with nothing to bind them to the team or the man next to them?

  • Comment 46, posted at 17.06.15 13:11:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 6) : I say it’s very unwise even if it’s an interim coach. After the SR both the players and fans need a level of comfort that thing haven’t come to a grinding halt or that we “forgot” to prep in the pre season.

  • Comment 47, posted at 17.06.15 13:17:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) : He and Johan Ackerman signed contract extensions until the end of 2016 earlier this year .

    As far as i understand Swys was about to sign his kings contact when his hand started shaking and he decided that was not the right way to go . So as far as i know no legal avenue was taken . But that might not be 100 % true . who knows

  • Comment 48, posted at 17.06.15 13:24:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 48) : Ha, ha, he could probably hear Rudi pacing up and down outside his door.

  • Comment 49, posted at 17.06.15 13:32:48 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 49) : throwing around furniture . thats why his hand started shaking you see :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 17.06.15 13:34:01 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 41) : We’re all rightly impressed by the strides made by Lions rugby, yet we fail to consider exactly how green their head coach really is (what exactly was his coaching credentials before joining the Lions as assistant coach?)

    Which is why I’d like to see local talented coaches promoted through the ranks to senior rugby. I like the idea of someone that had success at club rugby (College

    Rovers for du Preez, if I’m not mistaken)…now Varsity Cup where he turned a rubbish Pukke side into a double finals team…next step should be CC rugby.

  • Comment 51, posted at 17.06.15 13:36:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : yes where do we apply? Must just go and look for my level one certificate. Hahaha

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.06.15 13:47:11 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 51) :

    AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!

    Thats what ive been saying for a long time . get somebody from within the sharks . Why get John Mitchell ? he will drop you guys at the first chance . Promote from within

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.06.15 13:47:39 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 51) : Rob du Preez has been coaching the Leopards CC team and the Varsity Cup team. What I meant with my earlier post is that I wish that at the time du Preez left for Potch, he had rather been brought into the Sharks ranks. He is clearly a coach that gets things done and gets the best out of the teams he has coached as can be seen by the success that the Rovers team had under him as well as the Pukke. Im just not sure that he is ready to step into the head coaches shoes yet.

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.06.15 14:02:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 53) : Funny, says the guy now sitting with half of Durban on their books. :twisted:

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.06.15 14:15:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 55) : yes but Ackerman was a AC before he was promoted . Thus promotion from within :P

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.06.15 14:17:21 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) : I’m not sure there is a better candidate currently. He’s done Club rugby, Varsity Cup and CC first division – the natural step up from there should surely be CC premier division?

    How else will we discover top quality coaches in SA, unless we promote them as they successfully navigate their way through the ranks?

    One of the big reasons we need UKZN in the Varsity Cup is for proper coach development and promotion opportunity…until then, I’d say Rob du Preez is as qualified for the SHarks job as we currently have in SA.

  • Comment 57, posted at 17.06.15 14:17:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I seriously cannot see a decent coach coming to the Sharks with Gold and Venter still hanging about.
    Why would any one decent want to accept the job where they are technically junior to two guys who have shirked all responsibility for any future failures,but have positioned themselves perfectly to take all the accolades for future success.
    Take those two out of the picture and use their copious salaries to buy the world class coach Natal rugby deserves.
    Can anyone here honestly see a coach of the calibre,of Deans,Mitchell,or even God help us Mallet reporting to Gary Gold.

  • Comment 58, posted at 17.06.15 14:22:24 by The hound Reply
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  • I have a strange feeling of deja vu,weren’t Gold’s words the exact same thing Jake said after last years Super Rugby,he was stepping away from coaching the Currie cup team to devote himself to the task of director of rugby blah blah blah.
    Second case of deja vu,wasn’t this how the shit started this Super rugby season,going into pre season training with no coach in place.Oh sorry Venter was there supervising the pre season,only they forgot to do any defensive work because Horak was too busy coaching the kickers.

  • Comment 59, posted at 17.06.15 14:30:27 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 59) : Gold should never have been coaching according to his job description – he is now going to be doing what he was actually appointed to be doing.

  • Comment 60, posted at 17.06.15 14:53:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 57) : Ok Im sold except that I would have been happier if he had already been with our CC squad last year already.

  • Comment 61, posted at 17.06.15 14:55:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 59) : Funny tjing is I thought the same there

  • Comment 62, posted at 17.06.15 14:58:13 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : I ask as there is rumoured in DBN that hes still living in CT.

  • Comment 63, posted at 17.06.15 14:59:06 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Just saying JW also had that job. Where was he living?

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.06.15 15:00:25 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Whoever Gary gets, he needs to ensure they operate as a team with a single vision.

    There is a reason the Lions are successful, their coaching team is not only dynamic, they operate under a proper structure (created and managed by Strools) where their roles are clearly defined.

    Without one the other will fail.

    Sometimes it is not ‘who’ you appoint, it is having him operate as part of a team with properly defined responsibilities in a properly managed structure which allows the individual the freedom to express himself.

  • Comment 65, posted at 17.06.15 15:16:09 by Morné Reply
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  • Pattern seeking humans. I doubt Gold and Jake is the same story. Unless you guys think Gold may be jumping ship to stormers since they are in the market?

  • Comment 66, posted at 17.06.15 15:27:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : Stormers should surely be promoting from within – settled coaching corps for yerars now, juniour teams that produce year in and year out, a solid VC team that performs. Dobson can surely hope (expect) higher office by now.

  • Comment 67, posted at 17.06.15 15:36:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 53) : Who must be promoted from within?

  • Comment 68, posted at 17.06.15 15:41:10 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • After BMH Only 2 guys who must be up for promo is Everitt or Strudwig but I doubt either are ready for head coach.

  • Comment 69, posted at 17.06.15 16:01:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 68) : what im trying to say is that you dont need a high profile razz matazz coach . you need somebody that is solid and committed to the cause . Like FireTheLooser said , Ackerman was very unknown when he stepped into the lions AC role and even the HC roile . But the Lions structures backed him . Maybe you can bring in somebody like Rob Du Preeze as an AC coach and have him hang around and premote to HC . You guys dont need a Mitchell that will drop you again in a years time

  • Comment 70, posted at 17.06.15 16:03:13 by Zibbie Reply
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  • So in short we have no one ready to promote within. Best we can do is full time Brendan and buy him out. But that is probably not an option. Must recruit I think.

  • Comment 71, posted at 17.06.15 16:03:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I doubt this will be resolved quickly given the track record so far. I’ll check back on the new coach topic in 2 weeks.

  • Comment 72, posted at 17.06.15 16:06:14 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 72) : ok , but then you dont need a high profile coach . those guys wont stick around for long enough . Maybe stonehouse ?

  • Comment 73, posted at 17.06.15 16:13:45 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : I agree we need a committed coach I don’t know about du Preez as head coach maybe start him somewhere less senior maybe assistant to prove and work his way up with the plan to get him to head coach maybe as Shadow to someone like Muir or Camps or Hugh?

  • Comment 74, posted at 17.06.15 16:19:45 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 43) : That, I think, is very much the point. So let’s get it right this time so that continuity can follow…

  • Comment 75, posted at 17.06.15 16:27:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • At the risk of massive backlash, I know everyone is punting Stonehouse but what major headline coaching did he do before one good-ish season with the pumas. A team who had nothing to lose gave their all for one season and made some news. Does this qualify him for an established union with a big reputation that needs long term sustainable growth and strategy?

  • Comment 76, posted at 17.06.15 16:29:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 75) : Well I did sati don’t think this is a quick one…what are the time pressures here? Prepping for CC so they have rest of June because by July we should be in training, right?

  • Comment 77, posted at 17.06.15 16:38:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 77) : I was agreeing with you…still do…the turnover in recent times has hurt us. I encourage the gents to get this one right… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 17.06.15 19:46:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 76) : How exactly do you get a team with nothing to lose to give it their all in a season? ;-)

  • Comment 79, posted at 17.06.15 20:03:07 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : I must admit that the last few years has played out more like a “soapy” for the Sharks instead of a professional union. So much talk about unhappiness and egos effecting the team that we don’t know what is going on anymore.

    Whether we promote from “within” or get some headline coach, one thing must remain the same. That person must be left to do his job without interference. (That is if there ever was any from the powers that be)

  • Comment 80, posted at 17.06.15 20:09:09 by Farlington Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 52) : Damn is level one compulsory?

  • Comment 81, posted at 17.06.15 20:15:21 by Farlington Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 76) : I’m not punting him. I don’t believe he has anything to add other than the kind of “opfok” mentality that fits Witbank like a glove but won’t work in durban

  • Comment 82, posted at 17.06.15 20:15:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Surprise Attack (Comment 12) : nice analogy

  • Comment 83, posted at 17.06.15 21:36:53 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 76) : boet Stonehouse did wonders with a totally “outclassed” Puma team for more than one season. His Puma team regularly won bigger unions and if I’m correct they not very long ago even had a Sharks scalp.

  • Comment 84, posted at 17.06.15 21:38:14 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : must say I’m glad I don’t have to make the decision! Not sure I will go with a local coach!? Like hookers no local one is really jumping out as a world class prospect!!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 17.06.15 21:44:36 by JD Reply
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  • No SA coach with the exception of Mallett is smart enough. We need smarts to beat the best. Brawn and bash it up/kick it away don’t work.

  • Comment 86, posted at 17.06.15 23:27:51 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 86) : ja after that performance don’t know if he’s the right man for the job?!?!

  • Comment 87, posted at 17.06.15 23:56:58 by JD Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 79) : Like you make one hit song the world dances to then dissappear. I’m not saying he is a nothing but I would like too see him repeat or do more at this level before I say he can be a long term plan. Long term being the important term here.

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.06.15 06:19:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Listen people, we need to think big. Stonehouse is a VC coach. Let him coach the Kings, Cheetahs or Lions first and lets see how he goes. The Sharks are big enough to demand a proven winner at a much higher level as their coach (and rich enough I sincerely hope). Lets get a guy who has won trophies in the big leagues.

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.06.15 06:32:37 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 89) : That’s what I have been saying. At this level SR and Curry Cup he had nothing really. One CC getting very close to playoffs (not winning or getting into quarters) is not quite a sterling recommendation. He might get there but from what I saw he shocked a team who gave their all and managed a reasonable performance. Beating bigger unions dies not mean taking one or two games from them. It means taking the series from them. Kind of like the sharks did when they came back into the premier League and take the CC not just finish well in the pool so color me unimpressed since my team has already done this only better.

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.06.15 07:48:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 89) : Agreed. Time we took some time and get the kind of coach this union and players deserve. Spend some time money and effort and let’s get back to team of the decade not just flash in the pan.

  • Comment 91, posted at 18.06.15 07:58:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I say they should get a decent interrim just to continue training. Buy enough time to make a good decision. Maybe we do get du preez but with an understanding that he is acting only and will move into assistant once the head coach is appointed. Something like that?

  • Comment 92, posted at 18.06.15 08:00:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 89) : @coolfusion (Comment 90) : well then i think you guys need someone like Jake White … oh wait …

  • Comment 93, posted at 18.06.15 08:33:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 93) : you mean the only time the Sharks got to the top of the conference, in just one season? Bismarck has left now, so Jake can come back.

  • Comment 94, posted at 18.06.15 08:50:53 by Feather Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 93) : Paahhh, Im sure he stuck around a bit longer with us than he peddled his (then unsuccessful) “winning ways” with your lot.

  • Comment 95, posted at 18.06.15 08:59:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Hell man if a coach can come in and get us to the top of the conference I’d take that because it means play offs and a chance to win the damn thing. And it took him just one season.

    I know Jake was never serious about sticking around but I definitely feel he was let go too soon. Sure, his tactics sucked but he had something in him that made the team play to win.

    The guy wanted to make the players and team environment more professional, I can only admire the aim.

  • Comment 96, posted at 18.06.15 09:01:46 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 94) : I see the Doep brothers have now been confirmed as Montpellier players. This could be fun.

  • Comment 97, posted at 18.06.15 09:02:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 97) : oh the irony

  • Comment 98, posted at 18.06.15 09:03:29 by Feather Reply

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  • Or karma?

  • Comment 99, posted at 18.06.15 09:09:35 by Feather Reply

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  • @Feather (Comment 96) : Ill tell you how to replicate Jakes success with the Sharks of last year. Firstly get a flyhalf and fullback that can kick a ball very, very accurately, out of hand, grubbers, at poles. Get players that can compete in the air. Get a solid scrum and most importantly get that Nienaber bloke to be your defensive coach, hell you can make him your head coach even. Thats about it, that should be enough to win the conference – not the whole competition though. Now you can sit back and watch the Lions and Cheetahs (under Franco Smith) provide your rugby entertainment while you can get the Sharks score from the blogs.

  • Comment 100, posted at 18.06.15 09:13:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 95) : for sure yes . that was very bad business for the Lions . Cost a crap load off money and didnt do any good . Luckily we have moved on from that and seem like a stable setup at the moment .

  • Comment 101, posted at 18.06.15 09:14:52 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 101) : I envy you guys at the moment. I also take my hat off to you diehards who have weathered a $#@%storm of all proportions to just remain in SuperRugby.

  • Comment 102, posted at 18.06.15 10:00:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 102) : what can i say … my blood is red :P somehow the Lions is the only rugby team i can feel true passion for .

  • Comment 103, posted at 18.06.15 10:13:04 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 103) : Im the same with the Sharks, I often hate whats going down there and in all honesty they bored me to death on the field of play last year but I was glad for each win.

  • Comment 104, posted at 18.06.15 10:23:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I wish we could just get a clue re: thoughts about the way ahead…I’m dying to know what is coming…

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.06.15 16:41:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • so I was right. AGAIN :)

  • Comment 106, posted at 26.06.15 17:01:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 106) : Well done, sir! :lol:

  • Comment 107, posted at 26.06.15 19:44:38 by pastorshark Reply
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