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Burger starts against Aussies


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, Wallabies on 15 Jul 2015 at 08:14
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Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer has followed through on his promise of making changes to the team that beat the World XV last week, making 5 changes to the team to face Australia this weekend.

The only change to the starting team comes at the back of the scrum, where an unlucky Warren Whiteley falls out of the match 23 altogether with Schalk Burger starting in his place. Burger did make an impact off the bench against the World XV and completes a somewhat miraculous return to the starting team from his serious illness.

Meyer has explained his decision to start Burger in tandem with Francois Louw and Marcell Coetzee, stating that he expects the Australians to be very good at the breakdown, and with the loose trio working with hooker Bismarck du Plessis, the Boks will have a good chance of competing on the ground.

As for the other changes, Heinke van der Merwe and Frnas Malherbe get their chance to show what they have in the front row, replacing Trevor Nyakane and Vincent Koch. Lood de Jager comes onto the bench with Oupa Mohoje shifting 1 jersey number to cover the loose trio. Lwazi Mvovo is the final change, coming onto the bench in place of Jean de Villiers, who remained in South Africa.

The Springboks open their Rugby Championship campaign on Saturday morning, kick off at 12h00.

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Schalk Burger, 7 Marcell Coetzee, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Victor Matfield (captain), 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Beast Mtawarira.

Substitutes: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Heinke van der Merwe, 18 Frans Malherbe, 19 Lood de Jager, 20 Oupa Mohoje, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Lwazi Mvovo



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  • Hoekom kry ek die gevoel dat Lambie sou begin het as sy naam Piet Lourens van Affies of Grey was?

  • Comment 1, posted at 15.07.15 08:26:25 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Pretty much as expected. Sucks for whiteley though.

  • Comment 2, posted at 15.07.15 08:26:49 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 1) : My theory is that Meyer doesn’t understand English, so he’s intimidated by pat and Warren.

  • Comment 3, posted at 15.07.15 08:27:48 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Let me get this straight; we have arguably one of the world’s best fetchers at hooker, a genuine open side flank, another open side playing at blind side, but because of concerns over the Aussies ground skills, Whitely is omitted for Schalk? Just how little faith does Heyneke have in his existing flanks and/or Whitely!?

  • Comment 4, posted at 15.07.15 08:29:28 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 1) : I think it is rather a case of “easing Lambie back into the game after his neck injury”. He will likely play against the All Blacks next week.

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.07.15 08:31:56 by bokbok Reply

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  • Good side. Would have preferred a different 10,3 and 14, but there is enough quality starting and on the bench to pull it through.

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.07.15 08:35:59 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • When last did Lood play a game? :???:

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.07.15 08:36:02 by Rvw Reply

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  • @bokbok (Comment 5) : i hope so because when the pressure is on you need a decision maker not a flat track bully, but I doubt it. Pollard will start against ab’s

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.07.15 08:38:23 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 1) : I think Pat is not 100% fit,in any case he has played about 10 minutes of rugby in the past 2 months.Hardly adequate preparation for starting an away Ausssie test.
    I am amazed Meyer was able to resist the urge to play Morne off the bench.
    Whitley’s exclusion is a disgrace,but then Louw is Jan Pickard’s grandson and Schalk is big Schalk son and we know how much Meyer likes to arse creep ex Springboks.
    If Heinke is good enough to relegate Koch from the bench,then he is good enough to replace Jannie in the starting line up
    Jannie’s disgusting cynical elbow to Bakkies unprotected head on Saturday made it obvious that he has learnt nothing about self control and is a walking yellow card.
    The sooner a replacement is found for him the better.

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.07.15 08:44:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 4) : Speaking as a Meyer apologist (most of the time at least) I have to agree that the statement makes little sense.

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.07.15 08:55:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • You can’t say Pat isn’t playing because he hasn’t really played much lately and is not 100% fit. How many games did Lood play this year? Or even Mohoje?
    I have no confidence in HM or this team. We have the talent and in form players in SA to beat anybody. But HM keeps on picking players on reputation. Jannie, JPP, Victor should not be there! Even Bissie and beast are not in top form and should be replaced. Burden had a good game last weekend so I wouldn’t mind seeing him given a chance.
    The Lions were the 2nd best SA team in super rugby this year. How many of them are in this match 23? Yip, 0. Even without my red tinted glasses I can see HM must have something against them
    I would replace the entire front row, play Franco Mostert in place of Matfield, Whiteley at 8, Lambie and Reinach as 9 and 10, De allende and Kriel/Mapoe, Combrinck in place of JPP and Willie at the back

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.07.15 09:00:47 by Leeubok Reply

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  • Who is going to kick for polls?

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.07.15 09:01:08 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Hate is a strong word, I hate HM as bok coach.

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.07.15 09:02:45 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 12) : Pollard obviously. If he kicks as badly as last weekend he can cost us the game. That’s why I would have someone like Ruan Combrinck on the wing. Other than his attacking capabilities he’s also a very good goal kicker. If your flyhalf forgot his kicking boots then you have backup in Combrinck

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.07.15 09:09:22 by Leeubok Reply

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  • man …

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.07.15 09:13:35 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 14) : Well exactly, hence I asked. Pollard will quite literally lose us the game unless he miraculously learns how to kick in a week.

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.07.15 09:14:07 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Lions fans, all I have to say is I’m so so sorry, HM is not a reflection of how the rest of SA regards your team. He is a short sighted, incompetent retard.

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.07.15 09:16:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 14) : @Seth101 (Comment 16) : Ruan Pienaar probably but only after Pollard has missed his share.

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.07.15 09:17:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @bokbok (Comment 5) : Hope you are right, and that it is not just a case of Lambie making that nr.22 jersey his own. @Seth101 (Comment 17) : Man, I struggle to understand how HM think sometimes… :???:

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.07.15 09:19:03 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 17) : haha thanks, Makes it a little difficult to support the boks when you know the coach isn’t picking the best team available.

    Oh yes I forgot Ruan can also kick. But yes by the time you change your kickers Pollard would have already missed a few. I must say Pollard put in a crunching tackle on his opposite 10 last week, which was encouraging.

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.07.15 09:21:05 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @Leeubok (Comment 20) : I won’t support the boks until he is gone. Honestly more excited for the CC than the world cup.

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.07.15 09:32:58 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 21) : now the lions can have whitley back for the CC ! great stuff !!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.07.15 09:36:25 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 22) : He’s still in the squad so not available.. If HM isn’t going to play him, Elton or Mapoe then rather send them back so they can help us win the CC!

    @Seth101 – I have no hope for the boks at world cup. Until HM drops the dead wood and start selecting players in form we will NOT beat the likes of the AB’s. heck even Italy gave us a hard time last year.

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.07.15 09:40:04 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @Leeubok (Comment 23) : baie duidelik dat Whitley nie in die wereld beker groep gaan wees nie . En al is hy gaan hy nie speel nie . so dit sal beter wees om hom terug te stuur leeus toe dat ons kan operate met ons spelers

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.07.15 09:42:28 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 23) :
    @Zibbie (Comment 24) :

    I see Whiteley has intentions of making the 2016 Sevens trip to Rio. That would leave him unavailable for large parts of the Super Rugby season.

    Are you guys happy with that? Can’t be nice to not have play any rugby in Lions colours for both the Currie Cup and then miss the Super Rugby season…

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.07.15 10:04:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 24) : I Meyer just takes a long long time to change his mind,he is probably still trying to sneak Spies back in again,but will eventually have to play Whitely.
    Burger will implode in this game and once Warren comes on he will make that jersey his own till or if Vermullen comes back.
    Whitely and Marcel ,are a very exciting combination

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.07.15 10:09:53 by The hound Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 25) :

    hoping he will be released from the Bok squad soon .

    would grant him a shot at the Olympic medal tough

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.07.15 10:09:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • My form Bok XV (based on Super Rugby/overseas play):

    1. Steven Kitschoff
    2. Bismarck/Strauss
    3. Kock
    4. Eben
    5. Franco (basically anyone but Matfield who was non-existent outside the lineouts)
    6. Jaco Kriel (unlucky not to be there)
    7. Marcell
    8. Whiteley (Duane would be in but for injury)
    9. Pienaar (very happy he was allowed to play a quicker game on Saturday without this box-kick by the scrummy gameplan)
    10. Lambie (seems more composed than Pollard)
    11. Habana (seems in good form)
    12. De Allende (in a very good vein of form)
    13. Kriel (I like what I saw of him, reminds me of Jaques Fourie in his young days)
    14. Hougaard (in the top ten try scorers list for Super Rugby, but keep him away from 9)
    15. Willie (we need that X-factor)

    16. Bismarck/Strauss
    17. Beast
    18. Malherbe
    19. Pieter-Steph
    20. Louw
    21. Cobus Reinach
    22. Pollard
    23. Mapoe (utility value to cover centre and wing)

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.07.15 10:13:21 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 28) : Now THIS is a team we can go to competition with. Top man!

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.07.15 10:17:03 by Another Nick Reply

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  • WP sign Hendriks. I hate Gert Smal.

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.07.15 10:17:25 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 30) : Smal fast becoming a real hero here in The Mother City….Still need a class 10 and a proper opensider though

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.07.15 10:20:48 by grant10 Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 30) : No no, Province can have him any day. Have you seen him attempt a tackle? Its one of the funniest sights in world rugby at the moment.

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.07.15 10:29:09 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 28) : Well, Matfield did make 16 tackles. 2nd only to Marcell

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.07.15 10:30:43 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 28) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 33) : I watched Matfield and he is actually getting around the park very well and he puts in a lot of tackles. He might not be as physical as he was but he’s definitely not shying away from the hard graft.

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.07.15 10:36:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 28) : Too many lions players . wont work

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.07.15 10:37:40 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) : and keep in mind those 16 tackles were made playing in the team who had all the ball. nee wat, Im happy with Matfield there. Plus a lot of the guys respect him immensely.

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.07.15 10:42:52 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 28) : Excellent team. Only change I would make is Combrinck in for Hougie. Hougie started the season off well but later on was mostly anonymous.

    Matfield may have made many tackles, but he is very ineffective. He doesn’t have the physicality anymore to stop a guy in his tracks, nevermind drive him back. All he does is hang on like a vrot vel and hope the guy trips over him. He isn’t the best in lineouts anymore either (I think your Wentzel beat him there too), and he stands in the backline way too much. For me it’s a toss up between matfield and jannie for my most dislikeable player

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.07.15 10:55:24 by Leeubok Reply

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  • Hemel maar julle Leeu ondersteuners kan moan :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.07.15 11:09:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 32) : The amount of tries he scores and creates far outweigh his missed tackles. If you think Odwa, JPP, Tyler Fisher, SP are our solution there, good luck. We are literally pinning our hopes on Mvovo, Sithole and Mjekevu. What if one or two get injured? Won’t even go to the centres. Did you see how pathetic JPP was during the weekend. He can’t even spell tackle and basically offers nothing on attack. Hendriks over JPP anyday.

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.07.15 11:12:38 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 38) : Blameer jy ons? Julle sou ook as daar geen sharks in die bok groep was terwyl jy weet n paar van hulle is die beste in hul posisie

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.07.15 11:13:19 by Leeubok Reply

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  • TYPICAL HM!!! Lambie SHOULD have started!!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.07.15 11:13:55 by Den Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 39) : form is temporary class is permanent as they say. Hendricks over JPP over my dead body :twisted:

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.07.15 11:16:09 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 38) :

    think we just need to accept lions players are crap and move on .

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.07.15 11:21:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 26) : If you actually read the article you would have known that Whiteley isn’t in the squad at all.

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.07.15 11:36:24 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : I see in this comment you mention that Whiteley isn’t in the squad. Do you have a very short memory?

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.07.15 11:41:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 29) : @Leeubok (Comment 37) : Glad you guys liked it :grin:

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.07.15 11:47:12 by StevieS Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 33) : @Pokkel (Comment 34) : @Leeubok (Comment 37) : My point about Matfield is that he isn’t making big hits. I’m impressed he made that many tackles though.

    Combrinck is good, I like him, but not sure HM will even give him a look.

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.07.15 11:48:48 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 40) : Maak die Sharks almal Bokke dan sien jy hoe vinnig verloor ons alles ;-)

    @Zibbie (Comment 43) : I reckon that’s fair :grin:

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.07.15 11:55:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Im not totally convinced on this selection. It is by no means a bad side however- its actually a pretty good side. For me i dont see why the same starting side was not used again…although perhaps HM wasnt happy with Whitely as he did sub him fairly early last week. As for the bench…i think its just a case of seeing what other options he has and how well they fare. Very tough on Whitely, Koch and Nyakane but he has replaced them with good players. My only concern with the team makeup is that if Schalk goes off then there is no linking loose forward…just bash bash

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.07.15 12:11:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : I thought Whitely’s link play went a little unnoticed on Saturday. Agreed regarding your concern about a linking loose forward. Marcell has an uncanny ability to step up when required so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him fulfill that role should there be no one else.

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.07.15 12:57:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : Ummm…Malherbe relegated Koch off the bench…Heinke is a loosehead…

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.07.15 13:06:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 11) : The two guys you use as examples, Oupa and Lood, are both on the bench! Lambie is also on the bench…and the argument is tgat it is being done in order to ease him back in. I am all for that…but definitely think he should be in the queue ahead of Pollard once he is back in the swing of things…

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.07.15 13:11:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 12) : Do you mean kick for “poles?” Or do you really want somebody to have a kick at Pollard? :)

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.07.15 13:13:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 21) : Wow, I never understand comments like that…

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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : Do you know the difference between a match day 23 and a travelling squad,take the huge Victor Mattfield sized splinter out of your eye.

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.07.15 13:24:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 50) : To be fair, Whitely had a pretty quiet game on Sat..did look a bit out of sorts. And im a fan of Coetzee, think he offers a lot- but unfortunately being a linking player between forwards and backs isnt one of his good traits. He plays hard and fast to the ball and carries into contact majority of the time. If anything I would have kept Mahoje as lock reserve and just switched Burger and Whitely. Interesting he went Mvovo on the bench over say Mapoe…JPP or Pollard the centre reserve then?

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.07.15 13:25:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 52) : In that case they should give him more game time, not just 20 mins. And not at fullback, but flyhalf. I have given up trying to make sense of some of HM’s decisions and selections

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.07.15 13:27:11 by Leeubok Reply

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  • Look, I am also disappointed that Whitely drops out of the match day 23…he was good on Saturday! I am as disappointed that Pollard starts again and Lambie remains on the bench. But as I read it they decided a few weeks ago who would play when to give everyone a run in the approach to the world cup. So I see some of this as just being a part of that policy. HM did say Whitely will play again…and I believe he will. I also think that, after easing Pat in over a few bench roles, he will start. So I will show a bit of patience and see how we go. And I will certainly support the Boks on Saturday. Go Bokke! :)

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.07.15 13:30:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : Whiteley did have a quiet game, compared to his super rugby form. But since when does a player get dropped for having 1 quiet game? JPP and Jannie have had terrible SEASONS but they still get selected. Everyone is now going on about whiteley not being physical enough blah blah blah. I suppose topping the super rugby tackle stats, making breaks, offloading etc isn’t good enough. It’s better to bash into people continuously..
    JPP gets picked because of his size to better cope with the Aus and NZ monster wings.. So obviously that is the only requirement for HM. Size and domkrag stampkar rugby. Do you think the AB’s would overlook players like WW and Jaco Kriel? I think not.. Even Combrinck was mentioned by their sports writers as having an unbelievable season.
    Ok I’m done now ranting and raving about the exclusion of Lions players. Go bokke (sigh)

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.07.15 13:31:46 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : Or Lambie?

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.07.15 13:32:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 57) : Look, I agree with you…Saturday was the perfect opportunity to bring Lambie on at flyhalf a bit earlier with Pollard having a mare and the opposition not too flash. But I reckon Heyneke is also trying to use the 5 tests he has to just try out a few options. I will be very surprised (not to mention disappointed) if Lambie doesn’t get the 10 jersey soon…

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.07.15 13:35:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 59) : Whitely wasn’t dropped. This was decided a while ago…HM said clearly at the announcement that Whitely will play again in this championship…just not in this game. He will get another chance…relax…

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.07.15 13:38:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : with all due respect 10 min off the bench does not count .

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.07.15 13:47:36 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 60) : I would think if Lambie came on either Pollard or JPP would move to centre depending who is replaced.

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.07.15 13:54:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : “Burger will implode in this game and once Warren comes on he will make that jersey his own till or if Vermullen comes back.”

    Do you know that Warren can’t come onto the field if he is NOT in the matchday 23 squad? :roll:

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.07.15 13:58:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : And before you get confused again. When I said squad earlier I was referring to the matchday 23 squad.

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.07.15 14:04:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : Kind of ironic that you would ask me if I know the difference when you clearly don’t. :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.07.15 14:08:58 by Ben Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 63) : You’re assuming he’ll only get 10 mins off the bench. I don’t think that will be the case. Who is right? We can only wait and see…

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.07.15 14:09:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 65) : :)

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.07.15 14:09:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : @Ben (Comment 67) : Or are you asking because you would like me to explain the difference to you?

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.07.15 14:10:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : Yeah…I’m just saying there are options…not that Lambie should be preferred…

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 68) : the best predictor of future behavior … ;)

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 72) : :) Do I detect a bit of cynicism? Look, I understand your concerns…but in the past Whitely was stuck on the bench because he was stuck behind Vermeulen (surely justifiably?). Now HM is trying out a few different options given that Vermeulen will likely not be there. I think that is fair enough…provided he gives Whitely another chance…which I think he will. If he doesn’t, I’ll vent at him then…until then I will just wait and see…

  • Comment 73, posted at 15.07.15 14:31:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 72) : @pastorshark (Comment 73) : Just, by the way, like I think he will give Lambie a shot at 10 before too long…

  • Comment 74, posted at 15.07.15 14:38:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 73) : that is exactly my issue . now that Vermeulen is not there Whitley should get his shot . but he doesnt . HM makes a long list of excuses why not .

    I get this nagging feeling that the excuses will continue because this and that . Whitley should play now because closer to the world cup the excuse will be that there is no time left so we need to stick with burger since he has been playing there the whole time .

    This is not the first time i go through this . Excuse after excuse until you become so gatvol that you can throw up …

  • Comment 75, posted at 15.07.15 14:45:28 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 75) : Sorry man…

  • Comment 76, posted at 15.07.15 14:48:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 75) : …but I must say, given that there are only 5 tests before the world cup, I prefer HM trying out a few options and giving the whole squad a run…and he has said for several weeks that that is what he would be doing, so this should not be a surprise. But I do too understand your point and will just leave it there…

  • Comment 77, posted at 15.07.15 14:50:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 77) : sorry . i just find it very frustrating . I would like it if the Lions players get a fair shot to perform like the Bulls players do . If you think Redelinghuys , Boshoff , Whitley VS Pollard .

    Pollard is on 9 tests . Whitley on 2 off the bench . Pollard is begin given time to develop within the bok setup . Whitley not . Even though we now might sit with s shortages at no 8 . Why drop whitley from the squad completely if you want to give him a shot ? why not at least play him from the bench (would prefer if he starts but beggars cant be choosers )

    Same with Jesse kriel . He is being given time to settle into the position . Why is the same luxury not offered to Lions players ?

  • Comment 78, posted at 15.07.15 14:58:46 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 70) : @Ben (Comment 44) : Read your comment again you cynical little man
    ”if you actually read the article you would have known that Whiteley isn’t in the squad at all.”
    What point are you trying to make other than you are a pedantic little know it all.
    He is in the squad,but he isn’t in the match 23,my point that I stand by, was that after game one Burger will implode and his place will be taken by Whitely , in game two,understand now,listen carefully there is more than one game on the tour,that is normally why we take a larger touring party.
    Rule of thumb,Sarcasm normaly works best at a teenage level or amongst gays.

  • Comment 79, posted at 15.07.15 23:50:06 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 77) : When was the last time Burger played at 8.
    We are months away from a world cup and we are still playing guys out of position.
    It was about this time before another World Cup, that the other genius Mallett fired his World record winning captain and replaced him with a glory pinup boy ,who was actually injured and unfit to play.. that disrupted a settled team and cost us a World Cup.
    My worry is that Meyer has hedged his bets on a few guys who are not going to make it through to the finals of the World Cup.
    He should have his team together by now,and anyone who isn’t ready should get out the way.
    Fourie du Preez should have proved by now that he is the 9,Vermullen,de Villiers and ,duToit, should also be on the field or get out the way so that the guys that are going in those positions start owning those positions.

  • Comment 80, posted at 16.07.15 00:14:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 25) : I was lucky enough to speak to warren about his intention for Rio2016 at bok open training last year, super decent oke, he said that he’d love to compete but he has to discuss it with lions union in 2016 and see if its viable, he was humble about it, and said the union pays him and he needs to honor their wishes first. I hope he can go to rio

  • Comment 81, posted at 16.07.15 00:24:21 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : Actually there is only one game on this tour. The following week Boks are against NZ in Joburg. Just sayin’ :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 82, posted at 16.07.15 00:55:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : The more you try, the more you get your facts completely mixed up. Like I said, when I said he isn’t in the squad at all, I meant in the matchday 23 squad.

  • Comment 83, posted at 16.07.15 02:40:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : I would rather not stoop to your level and start calling you names. :roll:

  • Comment 84, posted at 16.07.15 02:42:35 by Ben Reply
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  • I see Cornal Hendricks has signed with the Stormers, who are certainly on a big shopping spree (and yet we are told the Stormers don’t buy players…)

    One thing is for certain though, they can buy all the Richie McCaws and Dan Carters in the world. I just don’t ever see them as being good enough to win Super Rugby and doubt they ever will.

  • Comment 85, posted at 16.07.15 06:33:39 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : Ummm…as a matter of fact, there is only one game on tour and this is it. The next game is against the All Blacks back in SA…

  • Comment 86, posted at 16.07.15 07:03:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 82) : Haha…I see you had already pointed that out…

  • Comment 87, posted at 16.07.15 07:04:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 80) : I understand the concern…the problem that HM has got – and it is not entirely of his own making – is that the guys who he had wanted in his settled side are all injured: Vermeulen, du Preez, de Villiers (who is making his comeback) and so on. This unexpected turn of events has meant that he has had to turn to the backup guys – so, for example, Pienaar in the case of du Preez. In the case of eighthman, where Spies was the backup, I am actually quite impressed that HM has recognised that Spies is not the answer…but the fact that both incumbent and backup are out, means he now needs to make a decision on how he is going to fill that position. Whitely is one option. I think he should go with Whitely and back him. But I can at least understand him wanting to try out one or two other options in this position. I think that is all that is happening here. And I also think Burger will not implode. But there we are…

  • Comment 88, posted at 16.07.15 07:12:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 81) : Good stuff…I like the bloke!

  • Comment 89, posted at 16.07.15 07:14:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 80) : hear hear! Agree with you 100%. We all know what Burger brings to the table, why the need to “try” him out at 8? By the time we get to the WC HM is going to turn around and say sorry, WW is not experienced enough we’re going to stick with Burger out of position.
    You need to play your best team now to get them settle and into a rhythm of playing together. Sure, try out a new combination or player here and there, but stick with the guys that are fit and have been playing this season. Not has beens who MIGHT make it to WC

  • Comment 90, posted at 16.07.15 07:27:29 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 80) : The last time Burger played at 8 was last Saturday…when he did really well…and, I guess, earned himself another chance on Saturday. Let’s just wait and see what happens…

  • Comment 91, posted at 16.07.15 07:36:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 90) : You guys are making it sound as if HM is absolutely off his rocker with this selection. All I am saying is that the selection is not that crazy. I am not saying I agree with him…my first comment on another thread on this site after the team announcement expressed disappointment that Whiteley was not in the side. But I can at least see that this selection is not as ludicrous as it is being made out to be. Let’s just watch the game on Saturday and see…

  • Comment 92, posted at 16.07.15 07:41:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 92) : The only problem I have with Meyer is that he keeps selecting players that are clearly not on form, and he often selects players out of position in front of a specialist on form. If anything he’s overly conservative, hence him bringing back all the geriatrics and the walking wounded.
    I would go with the team StevieS posted earlier. It has a mix of experience and players on form

  • Comment 93, posted at 16.07.15 07:55:05 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @Leeubok (Comment 93) : Fair enough…
    I just think it is HM’s job to do…he is clearly doing it as he thinks best…and we will always disagree on some selections. It is the way it will always be with national teams. I have made my comments (which include:I would have picked Whiteley). Now I’m not going to lose sleep over it. I will watch the game, support the Boks and comments afterwards…

  • Comment 94, posted at 16.07.15 08:17:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Must say not a bad team.

  • Comment 95, posted at 16.07.15 08:23:56 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 95) : HM’s team? Or StevieS’s?

  • Comment 96, posted at 16.07.15 08:27:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 84) :

    His modus operandi mate.
    Drag you down to the gutter and then clobber you with experience.

  • Comment 97, posted at 16.07.15 10:31:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 83) :

    He doesnt need facts Ben.
    Only his prejudice and a big mouth.

    And then has the gall to label other people cynical.

  • Comment 98, posted at 16.07.15 10:33:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 97) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 98) : Spot on Vinnie!

  • Comment 99, posted at 16.07.15 10:54:39 by Ben Reply
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