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RC2015: South Africa v New Zealand


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 25 Jul 2015 at 16:09
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Even in this World Cup year, it just doesn’t get any bigger than this.

Miracle man Schalk Burger, having completed a remarkable recover from a life threatening case of bacterial meningitis just two years ago, leads the Springboks in a test match for the first time – and a more fitting occasion than a Rugby Championship test against the All Blacks, one could not ask for.

Heinrich Brussow is another man making a comeback to the Boks, after a bizarre 4-year exile that only coach Heyneke Meyer can explain. Brussow has never lost against the All Blacks and will be hoping to maintain that statistic today.

Kick-off at the stadium that will always be ELLIS PARK in our hearts, is at 17h05.

Go Bokke!

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Schalk Burger (captain), 7 Francois Louw, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Lodewyk de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Warren Whiteley, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Lionel Mapoe.

New Zealand: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Ben Smith, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 Charles Piutau, 10 Lima Sopoaga, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw (captain), 6 Liam Messam, 5 James Broadhurst, 4 Brodie Retallick, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Tony Woodcock.
Replacements: 16 Codie Taylor, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Ben Franks, 19 Samuel Whitelock, 20 Victor Vito, 21 TJ Perenara, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Malakai Fekitoa.



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  • Very nervous about this one. Go Bokke!

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.07.15 16:11:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I’m always hoping for a Bok win…but this one is impossible to call.

    Boks to win or lose by 6 ;-)

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.07.15 16:31:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • All Blacks by 10+

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.07.15 16:41:04 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Let’s get going

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.07.15 16:59:04 by Mutley Reply
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  • Chaps its been a while since I had to stream. Anyone have a free link?

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.07.15 17:06:05 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Interesting stats.
    Last week
    Most Tackles missed
    Damian de Allende 6
    Handre Pollard 4
    Ruan Pienaar 3

    Tackles made
    Schalk Burger 20 of 21
    Francois Louw 18 of 19
    Lodewyk de Jager 18 of 18

    Defenders beaten
    Jesse Kriel 6
    Marcel Coetzee 4
    Damian de Allende 3

    Clean breaks
    Damian de Allende 2
    Jesse Kriel/Eben Etzebeth 1

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.07.15 17:06:43 by Mutley Reply
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  • And we have kick off by Pollard

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.07.15 17:10:39 by Mutley Reply
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  • And an early penalty. Jesse Kriel not releasing

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.07.15 17:11:22 by Mutley Reply
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  • Another penalty. Boks falling over the ruck. Sopanga going for posts
    AB 3
    Boks 0
    3min

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.07.15 17:13:35 by Mutley Reply
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  • Try Willie le Roux

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.07.15 17:20:40 by Mutley Reply
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  • Converted
    Boks 7
    NZ 3
    11min

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.07.15 17:21:55 by Mutley Reply
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  • All Black get a penalty in front of the posts. Take it quick but knocks it on

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.07.15 17:27:31 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 12) : And of the resulting scrum the Boks get a penalty

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.07.15 17:28:03 by Mutley Reply
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  • Penalty by Pollard
    Boks 10
    NZ 3
    21min

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.07.15 17:31:29 by Mutley Reply
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  • Pienaar sticking to the basics is far better than a Pienaar trying to emulate Fourie du Preez.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.07.15 17:33:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • The Boks have had a very good first half hour!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.07.15 17:40:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • There wasn’t much commentary on here about our try, but it was brilliant!! Brilliant…

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.07.15 17:41:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • We’re also very good at the breakdown, despite the odd odd decision by the Frenchman. Jannie with a great steal there…

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.07.15 17:42:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Pollard takes a shot…

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.07.15 17:44:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Pollard going for a long range attempt. Short
    Bokke 10
    NZ 3
    32min

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.07.15 17:44:37 by Mutley Reply
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  • Horribly hit…short and to the left! Ai…

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.07.15 17:44:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Brussouw penalised at that breakdown!

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.07.15 17:46:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sopoaga with the shot at goal…

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.07.15 17:46:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sogoanga taking a shot at goal but wide
    NZ 3
    Bokke 10
    34min

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.07.15 17:47:28 by Mutley Reply
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  • Missed to the right…still 10-3 after 35 minutes…

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.07.15 17:47:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Brussouw with a great steal!!

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.07.15 17:48:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Boks do great work to hold the ABs up…the two locks…turnover!

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.07.15 17:49:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Lood hurt…

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.07.15 17:50:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • …but is back up now…

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.07.15 17:50:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Bok scrum has been very solid!

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.07.15 17:51:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • We’re a danger at plenty breakdowns! And Bismarck steals another!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.07.15 17:52:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Great play Boks…but Willie just can’t get the offload away accurately in the tackle…otherwise that was a try…

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.07.15 17:53:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Pollard off for concussion test…Lambie on!

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.07.15 17:53:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Lambie on.

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.07.15 17:53:48 by Mutley Reply
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  • Try Ben Smith

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.07.15 17:54:27 by Mutley Reply
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  • Try All Blacks on halftime!!!!

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.07.15 17:54:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Hendricks turned over under the high ball and the All Blacks too good on the counter…

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.07.15 17:55:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Halftime
    All Blacks 10
    Bokke 10

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.07.15 17:55:32 by Mutley Reply
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  • The conversion is good and it is 10-10 at halftime…

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.07.15 17:55:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • That is where the ABs are dangerous! Wow…

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.07.15 17:56:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • But a really good half of rugby by the Boks. There is much to be happy about…

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.07.15 17:57:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 34) : Heyneke made sure to bring Lambie on with just 1 minute remaining in the first half. :roll:

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.07.15 17:59:24 by Ben Reply
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  • Interesting Halftime Stats
    Clean Breaks 5-2

    De Allenda 2
    Sopoanga/Smith 1

    Meters run 274 – 231
    Willie Le Roux 57
    Ben Smith 71

    Tackles missed 7-13
    Kriel/de Allende 2
    Aaron Smith 3

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.07.15 18:02:30 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 42) : He will blame the try on him.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.07.15 18:04:11 by Seth101 Reply
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  • just me or is Brussow a little anonymous?

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.07.15 18:07:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Question: why is everyone except Flouw pilfering ball in these last two tests

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.07.15 18:09:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Brussouw great at the breakdown…

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.07.15 18:11:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Whitley on for Louw. Concusion test

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.07.15 18:11:33 by Mutley Reply
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  • Koch on, Whitely on, Pollard back after halftime…

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.07.15 18:11:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Quite at times…but a few good steals in his last 10 mins…

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.07.15 18:12:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Try Jessie Kriel!!!!!!

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.07.15 18:14:40 by Mutley Reply
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  • Kriiiiiieeeeeeelllllllll!!!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.07.15 18:15:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Wow!!! And that pass by Pollard was good…

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.07.15 18:15:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Converted by Pollard
    Bokke 17
    NZ 10
    47min

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.07.15 18:15:49 by Mutley Reply
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  • Jessie ‘Sidewinder’ Kriel

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.07.15 18:15:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • 17-10 after 47 minutes…

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.07.15 18:16:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Knock by Lood…first scrum for Koch…

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.07.15 18:16:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Haven’t seen a SA 13 score a try like that in quite a while. Thrilling.

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.07.15 18:17:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Big tackle on Dagg by de Allende and Burger…

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.07.15 18:17:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Coles scores under the poles!!

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.07.15 18:18:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Brilliant try by the All Blacks. What pace by Dan Coles!!!!!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.07.15 18:18:32 by Mutley Reply
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  • Damn…Coles straight through our midfield…after his tackle de Allende wasn’t there…

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.07.15 18:18:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 17-17…

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.07.15 18:19:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Feketai putting Cole in a gap between Pollard and Kriel and Cole beating Le Roux to score. Sopoanga converts
    NZ 17
    Bokke 17
    49min

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.07.15 18:20:10 by Mutley Reply
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  • And the Boks get caned by that ‘blinde sambok’

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.07.15 18:20:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • 17-17 I hope we are not getting set up fr the usual second half blitz by the All Blacks. Have a nasty feeling that all our first half dominance should have accounted for a lead.

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.07.15 18:23:09 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Big maul…collapsed!! Penalty Boks…

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.07.15 18:23:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • They kick for the corner…TMO…

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.07.15 18:23:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • SA get a kickable penalty. Go for touch and drive. Over for the try? Go to the TMO

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.07.15 18:24:09 by Mutley Reply
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  • Is it touching?

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.07.15 18:25:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Try Lood de Jager but no it is short. Scrum 5m to Bokke

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.07.15 18:25:29 by Mutley Reply
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  • Ohhhh…grounded short…

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.07.15 18:25:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 72) : Agreed

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.07.15 18:25:46 by vanmartin Reply
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  • 5m scrum Boks…come on!!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.07.15 18:26:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Penalty advantage as the Boks attack!

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.07.15 18:27:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Knock in the tackle…back to the penalty…

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.07.15 18:27:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The Boks are certainly not one-dimensional…

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.07.15 18:27:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Schalk is playing very well…

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.07.15 18:28:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Penalty converted by Pollard
    Boks 20
    NZ 17
    57min

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.07.15 18:28:32 by Mutley Reply
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  • Boks lead 20-17…

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.07.15 18:28:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Great, great, great Bok play…

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.07.15 18:30:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Yellow to Sam Whitelock

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.07.15 18:31:08 by Mutley Reply
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  • 80m counter attack!!! Cynical foul All Blacks…Penalty…yellow card…

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.07.15 18:31:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Be brave…scrum…

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.07.15 18:31:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Boks take the scrum

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.07.15 18:32:44 by Mutley Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 83) : Serial offenders in the red zone they are

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.07.15 18:33:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 85) : Boks get a penalty from the scrum, Boks take another scrum

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.07.15 18:34:22 by Mutley Reply
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  • And Koch knocks

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.07.15 18:35:20 by Mutley Reply
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  • Good brave stuff Boks…over but not grounded…another penalty…another scrum…

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.07.15 18:35:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Big scrum Boks, Burger picks up early…Pienaar to Koch…but Koch knocks on!

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.07.15 18:36:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 89) : Surely a penalty try must be on the cards now?

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.07.15 18:36:46 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Koch off for blood…Nyakane on…

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.07.15 18:37:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Nyakane on for Koch. Blood

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.07.15 18:37:06 by Mutley Reply
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  • Lambie on for Le Roux

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  • Ref calls for uncontested scrums…why?!?! He says Nyakane is playing out of position. That is kak and gives the All Blacks a get out of jail free card…

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.07.15 18:38:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 91) : Sorry, thought it was our put in

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  • Lost a ball on our own throw…and we let the All Blacks off the hook…damn!

  • Comment 97, posted at 25.07.15 18:39:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sopoaga will take a shot!

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  • Sopoanga taking a long shot attempt at goal. But wide
    NZ 17
    Bokke 20
    65min

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.07.15 18:40:09 by Mutley Reply
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  • He misses…but we still let the All Blacks off the hook…ai!

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.07.15 18:40:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • All Blacks knock on the 22 kick off…

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.07.15 18:40:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Boks a bit lucky there…but get a penalty…

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.07.15 18:41:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Why uncontested scrums? Really…

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.07.15 18:42:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Great tackle by Lambie as Fekitoa goes straight through the middle!!

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.07.15 18:43:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • What?!?! SA made the call for uncontested scrums…that is crazy!!!

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.07.15 18:44:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Man up with Whitelock off and WE ask for uncontested scrums? Wow…

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.07.15 18:45:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Strauus on now for Beast…seeing as the scrums are uncontested…

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.07.15 18:45:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • We lose our own lineout again…and the All Blacks have a penalty advantage again…ag crap…

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.07.15 18:46:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sa have always been mental midgets of world rugby :roll:

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.07.15 18:46:23 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Mistakes in the last 10 minutes…ai!

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.07.15 18:46:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • All Blacks are over…but held up…

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  • They come back 371 phases for the penalty… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.07.15 18:48:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Now the All Blacks kick for the corner…and score…

  • Comment 113, posted at 25.07.15 18:48:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Brilliant try by the All Blacks. Mcaw scores

  • Comment 114, posted at 25.07.15 18:49:00 by Mutley Reply
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  • Wow…great lineout move!! Wow, wow, wow!!

  • Comment 115, posted at 25.07.15 18:49:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Conversion crucial…

  • Comment 116, posted at 25.07.15 18:49:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • looks like my instincts were right – the All Blacks just know how to win, the Boks have become very weak in minutes 60 – 80.

  • Comment 117, posted at 25.07.15 18:49:54 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Straight through…20-24…

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  • Sopoanga nails the convertion
    NZ 24
    Bokke 20
    75min

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  • So we now have to score a try…

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  • Reinach on for Pienaar

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  • All Blacks turn it over in the maul…

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  • All Blacks are smart. The Boks have passion but no smarts.

  • Comment 123, posted at 25.07.15 18:51:38 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • That uncontested scrum call by us on their line was absolutely crazy and will cost us the game…

  • Comment 124, posted at 25.07.15 18:51:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Ach Reinach…forward pass…that was confused and crap by the Boks…

  • Comment 125, posted at 25.07.15 18:52:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Mapoe makes his debut and gets 3mins

  • Comment 126, posted at 25.07.15 18:53:06 by Mutley Reply
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  • Mapoe has his cap…

  • Comment 127, posted at 25.07.15 18:53:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • CR must be the worst 9 in rugby,where ate all the patriotic clowns now,WC is just a dream

  • Comment 128, posted at 25.07.15 18:54:00 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 128) : Agree

  • Comment 129, posted at 25.07.15 18:55:10 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Game over…

  • Comment 130, posted at 25.07.15 18:55:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • We will never win a would cup under Meyer.

  • Comment 131, posted at 25.07.15 18:55:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Dream on Bokke

  • Comment 132, posted at 25.07.15 18:55:33 by benji Reply
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  • Game over. It’s just another loss to the All Blacks, become so common place it doesn’t hurt any more.

    If we cannot beat them at Ellis, what chance of beating them on neutral ground at a WC?…

  • Comment 133, posted at 25.07.15 18:55:42 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • NZ get a penalty and takes a shot at goal. Sopoanga converts
    NZ 27
    Bokke 20
    Full Time

  • Comment 134, posted at 25.07.15 18:55:43 by Mutley Reply
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  • Good, but not good enough.

  • Comment 135, posted at 25.07.15 18:57:01 by Ben Reply
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  • Damn so close to my 10 point prediction.

  • Comment 136, posted at 25.07.15 18:57:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • With losses to Australia and NZ it simply confirms the collective position of the South African Super rugby teams – a distant third.

  • Comment 137, posted at 25.07.15 18:57:23 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Meyer dud the exact same thing bring on players when we were down, what an idiot. Seriously how many times does he have to lose to learn?

  • Comment 138, posted at 25.07.15 18:58:57 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Another very good Bok performance ends in disappointment. Much that was good. I have hope for the World Cup. But concerning that we can’t close it out…

  • Comment 139, posted at 25.07.15 18:59:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • And that’s 3 test losses in a row for the Boks. Wales last year and the Wallebies and All Blacks this year

  • Comment 140, posted at 25.07.15 18:59:33 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 137) : Wow? Did you watch the same two games as I did? DISTANT? No way…

  • Comment 141, posted at 25.07.15 19:00:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I am just so so disappointed in the decision to ask for uncontested scrums!!! Chicken move…WE WERE ON THEIR LINE WITH THE CHANCE TO PUT REAL PRESSURE ON!!!! *sigh*

  • Comment 142, posted at 25.07.15 19:01:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 141) : We have lost our last three games, very distant. I predict we lose our first knock out in the world cup.

  • Comment 143, posted at 25.07.15 19:01:54 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 142) : That was crazy we could have brought Jannie back on. Idiot coaches.

  • Comment 144, posted at 25.07.15 19:02:34 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Springboks remind me of a guy whose just bought his first superbike. Opens the throttle and then grabs the brake each time the bike shows what it can do.

  • Comment 145, posted at 25.07.15 19:03:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 144) : Jannie was injured.

  • Comment 146, posted at 25.07.15 19:03:49 by Ben Reply
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  • Let’s ask ourselves y they chose not to bring on Jannie

  • Comment 147, posted at 25.07.15 19:03:56 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I’m not going to get involved in arguments about how kak we were! We were good…we have something to learn about closing it out. Substitutions at this stage are largely about prep for the world cup. I am too happy about the wonderful rain we’ve had!!! So now it is party time!!!

  • Comment 148, posted at 25.07.15 19:04:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 146) : Was he?

  • Comment 149, posted at 25.07.15 19:04:30 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 145) : Spot on!

  • Comment 150, posted at 25.07.15 19:05:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 145) : Ai, but there were some beautiful Bok moments and I am really happy about what looks like a dynamic game plan!

  • Comment 151, posted at 25.07.15 19:05:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Interesting Bok stats
    Tackles made
    Schalk Burger 14 of 15
    Heinrich Brussow 13 of 14
    Damian de Allende 11 of 14

    Missed tackles
    Jesse Kriel 4
    Damian de Allende 3
    Handre Pollard/Lodewyk de Jager 2

    Defenders beaten
    Damian de Allende 7
    Handre Pollard 5
    Jessie Kriel 4

    Clean breaks
    Willie le Roux 3
    Jesse Kriel/Damian de Allende 2

  • Comment 152, posted at 25.07.15 19:07:02 by Mutley Reply
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  • Time for a party here in Wartburg!!

  • Comment 153, posted at 25.07.15 19:07:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 151) : That’s exactly it though, the Boks should be even more vigilant after those brilliant moments. The AB’s know that’s their time to strike back.

  • Comment 154, posted at 25.07.15 19:08:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Brilliant moments mean nothing if you don’t win.

  • Comment 155, posted at 25.07.15 19:08:56 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 149) : Why else do you think he didn’t come back on?

  • Comment 156, posted at 25.07.15 19:11:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 156) : Because of Meyers timed subs, but never realized he was injured.

  • Comment 157, posted at 25.07.15 19:12:55 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Our centers need to work on their defense, but I’m very excited about what the future holds for them as a combination.

  • Comment 158, posted at 25.07.15 19:14:12 by Ben Reply
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  • I know trevor cant scrum …. but to blatently call uncontested scrums is a bit of an insult dont you think

  • Comment 159, posted at 25.07.15 19:35:54 by byron Reply

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  • Cobus Reinach is the biggest brain fart lol. Its two weeks in a row he plays a part in messing things up for us at the end. And Willie not being able to stop a hooker from scoring a try when he’s the last man line of defence, well that just baffled me. Oh well, looks like we really can’t beat this damn all blacks, when last did we even win against them?? Ay, after dominating this game, its quite sad that we come out 2nd best yet again.

  • Comment 160, posted at 25.07.15 19:39:30 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 152) : interesting for who,point being what,boks lost

  • Comment 161, posted at 25.07.15 19:41:28 by benji Reply
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  • Are you guys still saying Hendriks is not worth his salt? Playing games I tell you. We wouldn’t be able to pick up a stripper in a strip club. Can’t spot talent to save our lives. Didn’t see him miss a tackle today. Those things you can coach but natural ability is something else. Counting on JPP! Must be joking.

  • Comment 162, posted at 25.07.15 19:56:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 162) : Agreed! Baffles me how narrow minded people are. They all focus on the missed tackle by Willie, and forget all the good he does on attack!! It baffles honestly!!

  • Comment 163, posted at 25.07.15 20:40:53 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Seems our Boks don’t believe they can win games…SR ghost still haunting these boys.

    Losing two games in a row in the final 10mins. smacks of a lack of confidence and a severely under powered bench.

    HM is probably still hoping on FdP, Jaque Fourie and obviously Matfield to get him through this world cup….can’t wait to hear his excuses this week. :roll:

  • Comment 164, posted at 25.07.15 21:18:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 164) : Boks could win by 10, and you would still find something to grumble about!!
    I think the guys played a positive attacking game. Some strange calls today, the uncontested scrum had me baffled.
    The AB’s certainly didn’t expect us to play the attacking brand we did. Overall, the books look pretty much on track with their prep for WC.

  • Comment 165, posted at 25.07.15 21:42:09 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 165) : I have never complained when the Boks won and I’ve said it a million times before: if HM wins with 100% retired former bulls players, I wouldn’t mind a single bit.

    Winning is a habit, and so is losing….3 losses in a row will get stuck in the minds of this group, and they show signs of serious panic during the final 10 mins. of the game….chances are, this panic will be smplified in the wc play-offs.

    We’re not on track and the world cup will expose us.

  • Comment 166, posted at 25.07.15 21:52:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 106) : If its true that we requested uncontested scrums then it was a huge mistake, we were all over them at scrum time wit SW out, maybe we did it cause we intended to bring strauss on and keep bismark on, if so, it came back to bit us

    i want clarity on this ?

  • Comment 167, posted at 25.07.15 22:02:25 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 167) : The commentators said word was we chose it…I read in an article that the ref said it had to be uncontested scrums and that that is the rule if both tightheads are injured. Is that so? Even if Nyakane can also play tighthead? Wow…news to me…

  • Comment 168, posted at 25.07.15 22:09:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 165) : I agree with you plenty of percent! Spot on… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 169, posted at 25.07.15 22:10:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 166) : Well, we’ll see. I’ve made the same complaints as you on occasion in the past…but name the retired former Bulls players that played tonight? Chances are that we lost the last two games because we didn’t have ENOUGH experience on the field. I am very happy with the game plan we are employing, very happy with most of our play. I am just not happy that we haven’t yet been able to close these games out…and that Lambie seems to be relegated to a bit part player (though, to be honest, Pollard had a good game tonight…).

  • Comment 170, posted at 25.07.15 22:14:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 170) : Yes we lacked experience, because HM has spent the past 4 years banking on the availability of FdP, Jaque Fourie andMatfield.

    Because of that, we do not have an experienced backup scrummie, nor an experienced backup lineout lock and notan experienced defensive backline player.

    HM had 4 years to develop players, he chose to wager it all on the availability of the afore mentioned seniors….it seems to be backfiring.

    I enjoy the running rugby, but we’re still not winning games we should honestly have won.

  • Comment 171, posted at 25.07.15 22:28:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Wow… What a game, and what an excellent performance by the Springboks… There is no doubt these Springboks have upped their game… Just unlucky for them the best team in the world has also upped their game… And lucky for them otherwise the Springboks would’ve whipped them tonight.

  • Comment 172, posted at 25.07.15 22:32:19 by CS Reply

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  • I’m astounded by the ongoing whinging from some of the arm-chair selectors on this site… You guys must be a misery to live with… The type of people who will find fault with everything in life.

    I could maybe take some of the whinging more seriously… If just one of you naysayers had the decency to admit you were wrong about HM’s selection of Jessie Kriel. There are so many other areas of improvement you’re choosing to miss too… But at least show you have some integrity by admitting when you’re wrong… Instead of ignoring it and immediately pointing out the next short coming.

    There’s no pleasing some people

  • Comment 173, posted at 25.07.15 22:39:35 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 173) : HM has achieved less than both JW and PdV….so I’m not sure what exactly we’re supposed to celebrate here?

    Zero rugby championship wins in 4 years.
    1 win over the kiwis in 4 years.

    How much ridicule did JW and PdV have to endure during their respective 4 years in charge? Yet after the same amount of years in charge, both achieved far more than HM.

    But somehow we are expected to celebrate the hero that is HM – double standards fella.

  • Comment 174, posted at 25.07.15 22:52:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 174) : And based on the tone of your comments these days… I’m betting you were one of the people doing all the ridiculing on JW and PDV

    Like I said… Some people just like to whinge, no?

  • Comment 175, posted at 25.07.15 23:05:53 by CS Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 174) : And for the record… I never said HM was my favourite Bok coach of all time… So no double standards from me, fella… Don’t be so one-eyed all the time… It’s boring!

  • Comment 176, posted at 25.07.15 23:08:20 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 173) : must agree with you on one thing HM has changed the way the Bokke is playing this year and that makes me excited. I mostly like his team selections as he seems to be moving away from the “bigger is better” way of coaching!!!!

  • Comment 177, posted at 25.07.15 23:48:22 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 141) : ja don’t know about the “distant” part but anyway would rather lose now whilst preparing for the World cup than win now and lose in the World cup. Lots of positives to be take out of the two games just hope HM sticks to the changes!!!!!!

  • Comment 178, posted at 25.07.15 23:57:08 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 178) : I felt a lot of guys played really well… Lood’s work rate was excellent, I thought Ruan played really well. We were definitely the better team tonight I thought, the All Black’s class got them through this one… As they say, a really good team is one that wins even when they shouldn’t… That last try of theirs was brilliantly worked.

    I think maybe our main weakness is on the wings… Compared to the All Blacks, our wings aren’t as threatening as their’s perhaps, although thought Hendriks was better than JPP has been. Lambie is a much better defender than Le Roux… And like someone suggested earlier this week, maybe Willie is a “1st half” player only… Maybe Lambie must come on as Fullback immediately after half time… Other than that, I can’t really think where we could’ve been better tonight… Other than a few centimetres here and there, we did everything required to win this game by at least 14 points.

  • Comment 179, posted at 26.07.15 00:14:38 by CS Reply

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  • I actually can’t believe how some people will sing Meyers prays no matter how badly he does. We have not won a single rugby championship under him.

    I guess some people don’t have a problem with mediocrity.

  • Comment 180, posted at 26.07.15 00:17:49 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 171) : We lack experience in those positions even on franchise level. Which STANDOUT experienced centre, scrumhalf and lock were developed by either fanchise over the course of 12 years other than what he had already picked or retired or injured? Meyer can only pick what he has before him.

  • Comment 181, posted at 26.07.15 04:25:59 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 180) : Accepting mediocrity comes hand in hand with being a Sharks supporter it seems.

  • Comment 182, posted at 26.07.15 04:42:57 by Ben Reply
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  • Australia beat Argentina 34 points to 9. Australia vs New Zealand to decide the Rugby Championship this year.

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 180) : Given the absolute rubbish SA super sides (including our beloved Sharks) dished up this year, HM has managed to done wonders with the Boks. I can buy into this game plan.

    When last have you seen a Bok team play like this? We just need to convert the opportunities we are creating – probably left at least two tries. The reason the All Blacks are still ahead of us is that they know how to convert the smallest of chances into points.

  • Comment 184, posted at 26.07.15 07:21:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 184) : I should exclude the Lions from that comment – at least they tried to play some decent rugby.

  • Comment 185, posted at 26.07.15 07:25:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 184) : When last did I see them lose 3 in a row? Not for a long time.

  • Comment 186, posted at 26.07.15 08:03:11 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 182) : And I was just as out spoken about the Sharks.

  • Comment 187, posted at 26.07.15 08:03:53 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 184) : I agree totally. Considering we have relative rookies in the 10,12,13 channel, we played excellent attacking rugby. We also had two players that have just returned from injury, with almost no game time in Brüssow and Lood. Given the late injuries to Jannie, Flouw, Lood, Koch and Whiteley, and the whole debacle of uncontested scrums, I think we gave the AB’s loads to think about.
    The uncontested scrums, came from the ref in my opinion, and certainly played a big role, as it negated our edge at scrum under their poles with a man down.
    Immediately after the game, I said to my brother in law, I am still happy with the way we played.

  • Comment 188, posted at 26.07.15 08:28:05 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 175) : When we lost, I complained – however in 2009, there was nothing to complain about…we won the Lions series, we won the tri-nations and we white-washed the ab’s.

    HM’s results makes for poor reading (please tell me what he achieved thus far as Bok coach??)….you may enjoy celebrating his “achievements”, personally I base my opinion on results – not emotion.

  • Comment 189, posted at 26.07.15 09:21:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 188) : Do you still think Adriaan Strauss is the best hooker in SA :mrgreen:

    In my mind Burger surprisingly showed his inexperience as captain when he did not contest the ref’s decision to have uncontested scrums. All he needed to do was tell the ref that Trevor can play tighthead and he is not happy with uncontested scrums. With the AB’s a man down in the pack and a defensive scrum on their line, there is no doubt that the uncontested scrum hugely favored the AB’s.
    Yes I am happy with the way the Boks played, despite the loss. But we gotta ask ourselves, why has HM taken so long to adopt this ball in hand style rugby instead of kicking ball away and gifting the opposition possession like we normally do. We also gotta ask ourselves, if Matfield had not got injured, would we even have seen what Lood has been able to do, similarly De Allende/Jesse and Jean.

  • Comment 190, posted at 26.07.15 09:27:53 by jonnow Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 181) : Sharks got plenty of experience at 5, 35 years worth of it – should be right up HM’s alley ;-)

    In seriousness though, how many of the up-and-coming franchise players did HM trial at international level?

    Now we’re stuck with Reinach as backup scrumhalf, and he is VERY green as an international….surely HM knew he needed 3 scrumhalves for the world cup, why not give all three much needed game time during previous years? (here’s why, because he banked on FdP and Ruan Pienaar only).

    What happens if Kriel gets injured (and I’ll concede that Kriel in panning out as a brilliant 13), but after him we’re stuck with a wing or inside centre playing 13 again, because HM banked on Jaques Fourie’s availability.

    Same goes for 5 lock, he didnt want to give PSdT (when he wasn’t injured) a chance as 5 lock because of some lame excuse about him asking Bakkies too nicely to stay in the lineout line (some sad sack story to that effect)….now without HM’s Matfield, our lineout is a mess because HM never gave any of Lood or PSdT or Lewies or Mostert (or whoever else) a shot at gaining the required experience as the lineout lock, because he banked on Matfield only.

    So even with no injuries, there weren’t any international development for the positions mentioned….the franchises had players, but they were never given the necessary exposure at Bok level. Whose fault is that?

  • Comment 191, posted at 26.07.15 09:38:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 190) : No for sure he isn’t! Bessie has sorted out his head and is once again the best in the world. That said, last year, Strauss was playing great rugby. He has certainly regressed in Pretoria.
    I was also caught off guard with that one. Don’t think it would have made a difference though. Apparently it is an IRB protocol to nominate TH and LH props, and if a LH comes on as a TH, uncontested scrums are ruled. IRB are screwing this game up big time. Good yes, he was tried last year already. Think in fairness, it was only really PSDT and Lood’s injury, plus the departure of some tall timber overseas that twisted Meyer’s arm to lean towards Vic. The idea was for him to mentor the upcoming 5′s.
    Meyer has always been singing Jesse’s praises, and for sure he put his hand up with strong performances.
    I don’t think we can fault HM on giving guys a shot!

  • Comment 192, posted at 26.07.15 09:39:37 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 184) : In 2011 we murdered the Ozzies with our attacking rugby, just to end up losing the quarter final in those last 10 mins. of the game (because we didn’t capitalise on our superior possession and territory ….I’ve seen that trend playing out in two consecutive games this year – not good for the team’s winning confidence.

  • Comment 193, posted at 26.07.15 09:43:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 191) : So when has PSDT been fit?? As for Lood, he was given a run last year, but he has also been injured. I also recall Piet van Zyl being called to bok camps.
    I think your HM hatred is just reflected in your tirades. HM certainly hasn’t been shy to reward form shown during Super rugby. I agree Kriel has been hot, but do you want a whole team of rookies on the field? Heck why not then you can have another frothy about Meyer throwing the untried and untested to the wolves.
    Kriel has been brilliant. But given that he had Louw, Coetzee, and Brüssow as openside options, plus at the time Vermeulen, Alberts, and Schalk as options, I don’t think you can fault him. Kriel will undoubtedly get a shot in the future. Brüssow, Coetzee, Flouw, all tried and tested at international level.

  • Comment 194, posted at 26.07.15 09:47:15 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 193) : Ha ha, so the fact that Brüssow, who was all over the ball like a rash, being taken out illegally, and the refs clearly biased performance, had zero to do with our loss?
    You are becoming funnier by the day!! Hiralious actually :lol:

  • Comment 195, posted at 26.07.15 09:49:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 194) : My hatred is toward our poor results, I don’t care who the coach is as I am not planning to have a friendship with the coach – the next coach will also be judged by his results.

    At scrumhalf, HM tried Vermaak too, but never settled on his third choice scrumhalf (he should have backed someone two years ago already and stuck with them the same way he stuck with Pollard).

    As for PSdT, the point I’m making is that HM didn’t want to give him (or anyone else) an extended run to settle at 5, even when they were fit….he couldn’t wait to select Matfield in his starting lineup as that negated the risk and effort of getting someone else up to international lineout level….our lineouts cost us dearly yesterday – HM’s only solution however is the return of Matfield.

  • Comment 196, posted at 26.07.15 09:56:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 195) : That story is about as stale as the AB’s ’95 poisoned story…doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, but that was not the only reason we lost that game – if it was, then surely we should’ve backed PdV for another 4 years as Bok coach, as we claim that we would have beaten NZ in the semi-final too ;-)

  • Comment 197, posted at 26.07.15 10:00:40 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • While I am happy that HM persevere with Pollard at 10 despite a few mistakes from Pollard, I really think that Lambie should replace Pollard at flyhalf with 15 or 20 minutes to go, just to close out the game. I believe Pollard has been been very good with his attacking mindset, but Lambie’s game management in the final quarter is superior. HM is doing Lambie no favors by bringing him on late as a replacement fullback.

  • Comment 198, posted at 26.07.15 10:40:51 by jonnow Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 182) : Ugh don`t remind us.

    Do we have any currie cup prospects to look forward to this year?
    Er wait I`ve been ” out of the loop ” for a while, is there gonna be a Currie Cup this year?

  • Comment 199, posted at 26.07.15 11:58:55 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 191) : Hougaard was tried and should have been able back up but that failed. Juandre kruger and Bekker should have been first choice 5 but that failed and du Toit keeps on getting injured, therefore we have Matfield.

  • Comment 200, posted at 26.07.15 12:25:59 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 200) : Well, unlike PdV, it seems HM has positioned himself very well to take no blame whatsoever for every loss by the Boks :roll:

    (and HM followers are empowering this position, at the expense of Bok rugby)

  • Comment 201, posted at 26.07.15 13:17:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 201) : I don’t think anyone on this site has ever said Meyer is the best ever Springbok coach… I don’t think anyone on this site has denied that Meyer could’ve done some things differently/better over the last 4 years… What we ARE saying on this thread specifically, is that on the 25th July 2015, 23 Springbok rugby players played a brand of rugby the likes of which we haven’t seen in a long time from a Springbok team… And I for one thought it was pleasing and a pleasure to watch… And I think the All Blacks were impressed too!

    If you think Saturday’s performance was mediocre… Then… Well, lets just leave it there… I won’t get personal.

  • Comment 202, posted at 26.07.15 13:46:34 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 202) : Nice brand of rugby, except for a blatant lack of finishing off of opportunities and actually winning the game…so enjoy the brand of rugby all the way to the world cup quarter final, where these evident frailties will be exposed and the opposition will take full advantage of us (the same way the Ozzies and Kiwis did for two weeks in a row now).

  • Comment 203, posted at 26.07.15 14:00:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Fellow countrymen, I’ve slept on the matter and arrived at the following conclusion. I don’t care whose fault it is I’m just seriously gatvol of losing to the AB’s, especially at the death (it happens too often). Blame the coach, the players, the bench, the conditioning, the franchises, the AB’s, the ref, SARU, SANZAR, the IRB, the government, the altitude, the weather, the 50% polyester blend Springbok shirts, the Blue Bull recruitment policies, the pound, the euro, the yen, Supersport, load shedding or your mother in law. Pick whatever combo you prefer and debate as long as you like. I’ll wait here quietly. When you’re done I’ll still be gatvol of losing to the All Blacks.

  • Comment 204, posted at 26.07.15 14:05:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 203) : So this is your official WC prediction, Boks will not get past the QF… Just so we all know where you stand? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 205, posted at 26.07.15 15:06:08 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 205) : I’d love to be wrong, and I’ll be first to admit should I be wrong…but the Boks reaching the semis would be an unexpected achievement in itself.

  • Comment 206, posted at 26.07.15 15:14:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 204) : Tsk, you forgot to mention Conrad Hoffman

  • Comment 207, posted at 26.07.15 15:30:55 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Have to say those All Blacks play clever rugby. That lineout move from which McCaw scored the winning try coming through the middle, was so bloody unexpected.

  • Comment 208, posted at 26.07.15 15:41:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 208) : Not a new move though…they used it against the Scots a few years ago, the very next week the Scots used it against us successfully…we fell for it for a second time.

  • Comment 209, posted at 26.07.15 16:06:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 207) : I thought I’d spare you from having to read his name on the Sabbath.

  • Comment 210, posted at 26.07.15 17:53:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 208) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 209) : thats the thing tho, NZ is so good at everything and their ability to vary their play something all teams can learn from

  • Comment 211, posted at 26.07.15 20:56:57 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • The Boks lost 5 in row under White in 2006 and 4 in a row under de Villiers in 2010.

    Meyer’s current percentage is 69.23, White’s final was 66.98% and de Villiers’ 62.5%. By the end of the WC, when we include the easy warm-up and pool games, Meyer’s numbers are likely to look even better.

  • Comment 212, posted at 26.07.15 22:42:45 by fyndraai Reply
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  • I like to look at overall records, because tournament outcomes are often decided by a single good (or bad) luck moment or referee mistake.

    The more matches in the sample the less randomness to contend with.

    All we are really left to ponder with overall percentages, is whether the quality of the opponents varied in favor of one coach or the other.

    HM, had less games against the ABs than White or de Villiers, which perhaps helps him, but then the quality of the AB team is not static either.

    One way to gauge this would be to compare how the ABs fared against teams other than the Boks.

    During White’s tenure the ABs lost 2 matches against Aus and 1 against France, in addition to the 3 losses against the Boks. They never lost at home.

    During de Villiers’ tenure, they lost 3 against Aus and 1 against France (in Dunedin). They lost 5 times against the Boks (2 times in New Zealand).

    Since Meyer took over, the ABs have lost only 1 match against England and 1 against the Boks. Both away games. And 2 draws against Australia in Australia.

  • Comment 213, posted at 26.07.15 23:26:50 by fyndraai Reply
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  • The worst moment of the match for the Boks yesterday was the decision to piss away several minutes of YC advantage, by choosing to scrum. They should have kicked the quick 3 pointer and upped the pace for the rest of the 9 minutes to take the score beyond reach.

    Instead they gave the AB backs a much needed rest.

    Feel free to crucify the coach or captain for that one.

  • Comment 214, posted at 26.07.15 23:46:43 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 202) : Personally I like my brand of rugby to be a winning one, not losing.

  • Comment 215, posted at 27.07.15 07:20:21 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 212) : Difference is White managed to wing the Tri Nations. Meyer has not achieved a single thing.

    People are willing to be fanboys of anything these days, it would seem.

  • Comment 216, posted at 27.07.15 07:23:24 by Seth101 Reply
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  • This outfit looks far from a finished product. Problem is time has run out for HM to show us the winning formula.

  • Comment 217, posted at 27.07.15 07:53:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 208) : Which is why they are more successful our guys are so stuck in structures and what they were drilled on from school days that they forget the shortest shortest point from a to b. Now and the you will get a lateral thinker in our team and by comparison to his mates he looks like a genius.

  • Comment 218, posted at 27.07.15 07:55:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 216) : Yes having wonderful stats only benefits the coach’s resume while the team have nothing to show for it.

  • Comment 219, posted at 27.07.15 07:57:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 173) : I dont rememeber anyone really questioning Kriels selection.

  • Comment 220, posted at 27.07.15 08:42:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 220) : I will admit I did, and he has impressed, I question his defense, both centers in fact, but they have done well.

  • Comment 221, posted at 27.07.15 09:47:49 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 221) : But if you look at our other options at center serf, de Villiers possibly de Jong, would we fare much better on defense? Frans could be a solid option on defense but does he have Damian’s attacking flair? I’m just wondering what else do we have besides these two. Mapoe possibly but if he remains untested we won’t know.

  • Comment 222, posted at 27.07.15 09:59:05 by coolfusion Reply

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