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Sharks in strange Grid-Iron twist


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 3 Aug 2015 at 10:11
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A very strange strange indeed broke late on Friday, with the news that former North Carolina NFL running back Taylor Gentry is on his way to Durban, to join the Sharks for a 3-month trial.

According to this article, Gentry was one of a number of players slated to take part in the “Independence Cup” fixture between the Leicester Tigers and the NRFL Rough Riders, a fixture that was set to spearhead professional club rugby in the States. However, the game’s governing body in the US refused to sanction the fixture, leading to its cancellation. Gentry, along with the other players, were left high and dry and in search of somewhere else to further their careers.

Enter the Sharks, who have opted to have a closer look at Gentry as an option at prop in the Currie Cup. His position in American Football – full back – is rather different to what we would consider a fullback in rugby; the less glamorous of the two running back positions, the full back is typically the “lead blocker” (read meat shield), who uses his bulk and strength to block opposition players before they can get to the ball-carrying halfback. Standing at around 1.88m and weighing around 112kg, Gentry appears to have the correct form factor to succeed at prop, where he has played all his rugby since converting from grid-iron three years ago.

Gentry should arrive in Durban this week and we’d like to welcome him to the family and wish him well for the trial. Congrats also to the Sharks for being prepared to think out of the box once again – and do their bit to grow the global game.



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  • Very interesting to see!

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.08.15 10:15:03 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • He should at least know hiw ti tackle :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.08.15 10:20:53 by JarsonX Reply
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  • NFL fullbacks are also employed for ball carrying duty (not just blocking) and are sometimes used extensively in games where the quarterback is struggling to find his receivers. They typically don’t make as many yards as a wide receiver would but are considered a safer option when you’re offensive plays aren’t firing as they should.

    They fulfill a role that shares some similarities with our blind-side flanks.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.08.15 10:25:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : A prop with the mobility of a blind side flank doesn’t sound like the worst thing in the world to have in one’s team…

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.08.15 10:33:37 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : in other words, I just got pwned by someone who actually watches NFL :)

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.08.15 10:34:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rand vs $ ???
    Somehow find it strange that we need to go to USA to look for a player when Freestate farm players are just around the corner(not creating stigma). Dont get me wrong. I understand the pro era, but perhaps someone can explain to me so that it actually makes sense.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.08.15 10:35:11 by ebenp Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 6) : If he wants to represent the USA it would serve him to come play here for example where technically he would learn the Position far better than he would in the USA, Strength you can get with hard would anywhere, but it is in the engine room here he would learn a lot.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.08.15 10:54:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • This could be interesting…if he throws it forward i may just piss myself laughing

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.08.15 10:57:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.08.15 10:59:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • sounds like this oke would need to be something very special indeed to get a look in at 1 ahead of Chadwick and Schoeman.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.08.15 11:00:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 6) : They are farming out all the players so that they can get some experience. I don’t have a problem with this, especially since deals like this can open up the Sharks brand to other countries.

    @SheldonK (Comment 8) : We had an American at school who was actually a really good wing, except he would aaaaalways pass forward :lol:

    Can I just point out that Rough Riders is an awful name….

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.08.15 11:03:29 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 6) : think it’s more training than a trail. Can’t see him staying for very long.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.08.15 11:08:06 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : he’s not the one that throws the ball he just catch and runs!!!! I’m more worried about him talking the opposition guys who’s trying to stop the Sharks!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.08.15 11:20:36 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : @Culling Song (Comment 4) : but can they scrum?

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.08.15 11:21:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 14) : Well he has had 3 years to learn, so lets hope.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.08.15 11:22:59 by Seth101 Reply
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  • So we are so healthy as an outfit we can now afford the luxury of messing around with our teams and combos with a gridiron and ” less experienced than high school” boy prop? And we are paying for this?

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.08.15 11:31:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 15) : ja but at what level did he play there and how skilled was the coaches?

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.08.15 11:31:52 by JD Reply
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  • Don’t know why teams have not looked at this earlier.

    Here is what these (NFL) guys bring to a position like prop:

    * Shape – Their pre-engage stance in NFL forces them stay and fight in the ‘silverback’ position for extended periods of time (silverback position: knees bent, hollow/straight back, head up). They develop great core muscles/strength and it is exactly the type of shape we teach our props to have to become effective scrumming props.

    * Explosiveness – Although the ‘hit’ is removed from rugby, your activation (glute activation) on the feed is crucial in scrumming. Keeping your shape (silverback) with an explosion of power is crucial for prop play.

    * Defence – Defending channel 1/2 mainly in open play (around the ruck) their experience as ‘blockers’ is almost invaluable close in as a guard/body guard (pillar/post). Not only that, their 3-point stance is the perfect shape to activate a tackle close in (low, head up, drive forward).

    * Ball carry – They are used to small bursts (as VanMartin explained above) as ball carriers, getting in behind defenders close in is something very few of our props can do.

    Technique can be coached, as far as ability and conditioning goes, I like this.

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.08.15 11:32:19 by Morné Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 16) : My thought exactly… we had that useless UK prop here(Matt Stevens). Pound for pound we made a loss with him.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.08.15 11:35:52 by ebenp Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 16) : He’s only here on trail, does not mean he will get game time! Only means that the coach would like to see what he can offer! Anyway it’s not as if they took all 60 players on trail it’s only one guy!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.08.15 11:36:52 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 13) : Im more worried he runs out with a helmet on! @Morné (Comment 18) : As athletes we take a lot from their conditioning…eventho they do it all in pads!

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.08.15 11:38:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 18) : I have to thank you. While so many are content to just spew negative and uneducated drivel, you take the time to actually write something decent, constructive and well thought out.

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.08.15 11:39:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 19) : just shows that previous “pedigree” counts for nothing!!!!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.08.15 11:41:14 by JD Reply
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  • This is very, very interesting.. I’m actually looking forward to see what he can bring to the table. Nice insight there @Morné (Comment 18) : . Welcome Taylor!

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.08.15 11:41:21 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Good luck Taylor. Hope it all works out.

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.08.15 11:43:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 18) : @robdylan (Comment 22) : ja good points made did not even think of all that. Let’s see how he does before writing it off as a bad deal!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.08.15 11:46:15 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 26) : all we ask is to just wait and see.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.08.15 11:47:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 4) : Definitely.

    @robdylan (Comment 5) : Nah, you were halfway there, just wanted to add that in addition to blocking they have other duties in NFL that could also be beneficial in a rugby match.

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.08.15 11:54:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :

    When I coached defence, I took a hell of a lot from Grid Iron including their defensive organisation, systems, roles and body positions in contact.

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.08.15 12:02:20 by Morné Reply
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  • I don’t have a problem with this at all. They made it clear it’s a trial, not like they are going to throw him into the starting spot.

    It’s a win win, if he is any good we gain a new prop, if he’s not good enough he gets a few months training experience with us and then heads back to the US with it.

    Also remember the Sharks approached him, so they must have some idea of his ability.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.08.15 12:05:53 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 29) : Only problem with gridiron is the players are taught to lead with the head in the tackle. Hence the continual worries about brain injuries.

    Have said for a long time gridiron has the players for rugby, physically. The rest can be coached.

    I mean ffs, we gave Pierre spies 50 international caps and he couldn’t play at all. Only has the physical dimensions.

    As for concerns about passing, I’d be surprised if you ever saw this guy pass period. He’ll rumble it up, go down and recycle.

    Good job sharks, on many levels.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.08.15 12:48:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 31) :

    That and they go off their feet too much (spear effect) which makes their return-to-play skills/speed poor. But as you mentioned, small things that can be corrected quickly.

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.08.15 12:52:40 by Morné Reply
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  • Well personally I think sharks have lots of real work ahead of them and not enough time for games and cross species experiments. As for similarities helping…Naas botha was recruited for the Cowboys. Failed experiment. the sports are disimilar even if the positions seem sort of similar.

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.08.15 12:58:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 33) : It’s one guy and it opens up many doors, both for the players, natal and us , along with growing the brand. This is a business after all and what happens on the field is only one part of success.
    And what if it works?

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.08.15 13:02:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 29) : For the us, it wouldn’t take much to achieve competitiveness. A big well drilled pack, add in some sevens skills and they could quickly be competing with the likes of Italy, Scotland, Argentina. They would need to play a similar game to sa and England, which would suit players from nfl.

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.08.15 13:04:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 35) :

    SA and Arg should actually raid US NFL stocks similar to what NZ and Oz are doing with the Islands.

    These guys are supremely conditioned to be explosive with huge core-strength/stability. They also place massive emphasis on winning the fight in contact (one of the things rugby guys are poor at). I cannot begin to tell you how low attitude/fight is assessed in most of our rugby players – it is a massive problem.

    Fine-tuning skills/technique is simple, what rugby players generally lack is good core strength/stability.

    Locks aside, I would pick these guys in any position in my pack.

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.08.15 13:18:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 35) : main problem for US is a reason to spend time and money to improve and to secondly get sponsor to invest money. Just look how quickly their standing in 7′s rugby improved now that it’s an Olympic sport!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.08.15 13:20:57 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 37) : I’m thinking it could perhaps evolve in the same manner as it did in Japan. Americans love contact sport and there are many high schcools on the east coast now playing rugby.

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.08.15 13:28:58 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • It was mention in another article that he may also play flank, would be interesting to see which position suits him better.

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.08.15 13:29:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 36) : Yeah agreed. And the genetic depth in the US is immense. Add to this intense high school training programmes and you got a pretty good unit. I played with an American a few years ago and he was always so fired up and intense. Hated losing the gain line and loved smashing guys. It helped immensely that he was built like a friggin wrestler. Everyone hated playing against him because there were no soft tackles or collisions. always 100 per cent.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.08.15 13:34:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 36) : “SA and Arg should actually raid US NFL stocks similar to what NZ and Oz are doing with the Islands.”

    Raid them with the lure of the Rand?

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.08.15 13:49:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 41) : well, these okes want to play pro rugby and let’s face it, nobody in the US seems prepared to pay them anything.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.08.15 13:52:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Yeah, sure we could pick up the minority that want to play rugby, but most of them are in the NFL because they want to play in the NFL.

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.08.15 13:56:39 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 43) : Plus they get paid a shit-load of money to play in the NFL.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.08.15 13:59:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Not until the greedy governing body can guarantee they can scoop some of that money off the top.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.08.15 14:01:51 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 43) : I think you’ll find that the NFL is mega competitive and that there will be a large number of players who have the necessary skills and conditioning dropping out of that system once they leave college but fail to get a pro contract.

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.08.15 14:02:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 43) : maybe NFL is all they know?

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.08.15 14:02:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • to give you guys an idea of the (staggering) numbers….

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/football-top-sport-us-1088158-high-school-players

    you don’t need to pick up more than 0.1% of those guys in order to have all the rugby players you could ever need.

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.08.15 14:04:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : And then we end up with all the reject NFL players. Kind of the exact opposite of what NZ and Aus are getting from the Islands.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.08.15 14:08:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 49) :

    ok, so NFL creams off the top 0.5% as professionals and the other 99.5% are immediately “rejects” not good enough for rugby?

    You know, they say a winner sees a solution to every problem, while a loser sees a problem in any solution. Just a thought…. :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.08.15 14:18:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : What was the American ponytails name who played for the Lions one or two seasons back,he was a fantastic player.
    Also read of another gridiron player who is playing with the Brumbies,and playing to Pococks level.
    There is no reason why the U,S,A shouldn’t be a force in rugby,they are the current Olympic rugby champions.

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.08.15 14:30:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 51) : Todd Clever?

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.08.15 14:33:54 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : You don’t seem to get my point. I’m trying to say it’s not the same as what NZ and Aus are doing in the Islands. They raid the Islands and get the best rugby players to come play for them because they offer more money and opportunities. We won’t be able to that with the best athletes in the US that ARE good enough for the NFL.

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.08.15 14:35:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : One injury at the wrong time is enough to keep you out of NFL for life simply because the scouts and coaches have moved onto the next big thing on the college circuit or a player similar to yourself is now a free agent. I bet a lot of these guys would jump at the chance of being a paid athlete and they’re by no means rejects, just unlucky.

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.08.15 14:37:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 53) : yeah, ok, we’re arguing different points.

    I don’t care what Aus and NZ are doing. We don’t have a bunch of Polynesian islands that happen to produce freakishly good rugby players (yet have no economy to speak of) right on our doorstep, so the argument is moot.

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.08.15 14:43:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : But we do have a bunch of Zimbabweans,who we exploit in exactly the same way,Beast for one.

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.08.15 14:46:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : You don’t seem to get my point because I don’t really seem to have one. :)

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.08.15 14:46:25 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Like marcell coetsee

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 58) : yup. Following Ben’s logic, Coetzee is not good enough for pro rugby :)

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.08.15 14:50:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Fiji And Sonia have a million people between them. US has 300 mill, along ng with a population comprised of Europeans, Latin Americans, woman’s, Japanese, black etc. No comparison.

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.08.15 14:52:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : Yup, exactly.
    I saw with my own eyes how – in order to be successful at maties – you not only had to be a really good player, you also had to stay injury free season after season. One torn ligament and there was a good chM e you’d never get a look in again, at either maties or wp.
    The conveyer belt of young players is just so long.

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.08.15 14:54:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 60) : Woman’s?

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.08.15 14:54:46 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : I never said that the NFL rejects aren’t good enough for rugby. The point I was making is that we don’t have the money to snatch up their best athletes.

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.08.15 14:58:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 57) : I can’t believe you got me! Bastard :)

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.08.15 14:58:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 63) : we agree that we don’t have the money to snap up their best.

    Where we seem to disagree is that you appear to believe we need to, whereas I don’t think we do.

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.08.15 14:59:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Nope, I don’t think we need to. I’m just saying it’s not the same as what Aus and NZ are doing with the Islands. That’s all. No biggie.

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.08.15 15:02:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 66) : I think we should just have a fistfight to settle it :)

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.08.15 15:07:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : Because we obviously can’t settle this like grown-ups. :lol:

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.08.15 15:08:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 57) : Nice one boet you had us going on this Monday!!!

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.08.15 15:13:53 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Rob never mind the islands…have u seen some of those Ivorians and Senegalese? There is a country of locks just waiting to be made…

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.08.15 15:15:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : When will evolution step up and give us some locks without dodgy knees and backs?

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.08.15 15:29:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 71) : South Africans are not built for playing lock…we are shorter and wider to push and pull tractors and cows around. Or slim and mobile to run after or away from cheetahs and lions. I saw the Senegalese and Gabon soccer sides that were here last year-not even Matfield would win a lineout vs those guys

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.08.15 15:32:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : But can they crash-ball?

  • Comment 73, posted at 03.08.15 15:34:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : I always thought that Daniel Adongo was probably on the short side for a Kenyan….

  • Comment 74, posted at 03.08.15 15:37:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : Nah Kenyans are no good…they built for running across the world. Think Adongo was a fake Kenyan. Is he still playing NFL?

  • Comment 75, posted at 03.08.15 15:38:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : I think he is

  • Comment 76, posted at 03.08.15 15:40:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 73) : Have u seen the traffic in those countries? they definitely know how to crash

  • Comment 77, posted at 03.08.15 15:42:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 4) : You just described the stock standard SA inside centre :twisted:

  • Comment 78, posted at 03.08.15 15:47:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : @robdylan (Comment 76) : Was injured a while. He is fit now and looking huge, and apparently learnt how to play football not half badly. Problem for him now is he is stuck pretty far behind in a well stocked position at the Colts.

  • Comment 79, posted at 03.08.15 15:56:30 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 79) : Which might be very close to what happens to our new prop.

  • Comment 80, posted at 03.08.15 15:57:44 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 79) : Yeh with their numbers and conveyor belt of talent once u drop out the mix its hard to stay in the contender group nevermind starting rotation.

  • Comment 81, posted at 03.08.15 16:06:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 80) : Having the physical attributes of a good prop are one thing…being able to scrum and lift in the lineout takes a while to learn.

  • Comment 82, posted at 03.08.15 16:07:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Interesting…

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  • Welcome Taylor! And good luck…

  • Comment 84, posted at 03.08.15 16:48:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : Dutch are the tallest people in the world? add in Africa farming and a diet rich in meat and I can’t see how there are many nations that have bigger people than ours.

  • Comment 85, posted at 03.08.15 16:56:10 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 78) : Haha. Or outside if you count japie mulder!

  • Comment 86, posted at 03.08.15 16:56:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Well, I suppose he would be better at catching a ball than the regular prop…

  • Comment 87, posted at 03.08.15 18:49:16 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @T-Shark (Comment 87) : Doubtful, NFL fullbacks are literally handed the ball as opposed be thrown the ball. There might be the odd trick-play exception but in the majority of cases the handover cannot even be described as a pass.

  • Comment 88, posted at 03.08.15 19:21:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) : wonder how’s his throwing arm?! Maybe give him a run at hooker if he can throw straight!!!!!

  • Comment 89, posted at 03.08.15 20:29:16 by JD Reply
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  • i love the idea, who knows what it may bring; theres a few videos on youtube on his history and one or two clips.

  • Comment 90, posted at 03.08.15 22:20:13 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 34) : I think it’s futile. Even if it works if you are worth anything to NFL we can afford you. If you aren’t you’re broken or untalented or unlucky. No thanks to first 2. If by some strange luck you are surplus and willing to took at rugby, you are already way behind the competition who have been playing and living rugby all their life. Then you have migration issues and possibly won’t like sa even if you like the game and not stay long. Plus if you started out NFL for the first period be sitting by the phone hoping for a call since it’s your first love. Nah. Can’t see it being viable apart from some fluke occurrences as have happened now.

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.08.15 06:55:57 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @T-Shark (Comment 87) : I don’t claim to be an expert in gridiron actually the opposite. But the fullback sounds like a defensive position not offensive so probably not expected to throw or receive much?

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.08.15 07:54:35 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 92) : Literally the opposite, the fullback is a heavy offensive runner used for crash ball much like our flanks are. Or they are used for blocking the quarterback.

    As for your doubt, do you remember Emil Schwarz? He went from being an SA sprinter to SA schools rugby in the space of a year or two (he was a couple years older than me so not sure on the exact lenght) and then went on to be one of the best up and coming players in the country until he unfortunately go injured. Point is if you take someone who has been training for a long time they are going to have the physical ability and will be much easier to teach a new sport. Especially in this case where he has played a sport that aside form some differences is fairly similar to rugby (I watch both).

    The Sharks lose nothing in this deal, I doubt we are paying him a truck load, and if he is good we get a player, if not he gets some experience and goes home. I really struggle to see why you are so anti.

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.08.15 08:12:57 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 93) : Also people can be very good at two completely different sports, more than one SA cricketer has chosen to pursue international cricket rather than rugby or hockey, the same for several rugby players. Being good at one sport makes it very likely that you can be good at another.

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.08.15 08:21:33 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 85) : All the tall Dutch are still in Holland as they didnt fit on the boat- we got the shorties that they could pack in plenty :)

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.08.15 08:34:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 93) : last I heard Emil was working on becoming a professional golfer

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.08.15 09:46:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 93) : ” I really struggle to see why you are so anti.”

    I don’t. Some people on this site seem to take perverse pleasure in being naysayers. The Sharks could win Super Rugby and those folks would complain that they hadn’t won it the year before as well.

  • Comment 97, posted at 04.08.15 09:47:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : I say you should amend the site rules to ban religious and political discussions, excessive swearing, and negative/insulting posts (barring any aimed at Conrad Hoffman, of course) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 98, posted at 04.08.15 10:22:00 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 98) : it is exhausting and demoralising in the extreme trying to run this site for the benefit of Sharks fans everywhere, knowing that whatever you write or whatever you say, a small group of so-called fans will find a way to twist every single word into something negative.

    It actually makes me just want to give up.

  • Comment 99, posted at 04.08.15 10:28:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 98) : @robdylan (Comment 99) : Or Heyneke Meyer if you’d be so kind. I’m just starting to get the hang of being negative about him :twisted:

  • Comment 100, posted at 04.08.15 10:31:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) : I’m pretty sure there’s a 80/20 ratio at work here with the 20 unfortunately just having way more time on there hands to post whatever pops into there head on the internet.

  • Comment 101, posted at 04.08.15 10:34:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : That was the last I heard to, unfortunately.

  • Comment 102, posted at 04.08.15 10:56:25 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : Look Ill admit I was super negative about our super rugby campaign, still am. But that is being negative about what did happen, this is being negative about something before we even know what is going to happen. And as I said, even if it doesn’t work out we lose nothing.

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.08.15 10:58:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I definitely do think there is a time an a place for a negative opinion though.

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.08.15 10:59:17 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 104) : yes, but that time and place should not be “always” and “everywhere” respectively.

  • Comment 105, posted at 04.08.15 11:01:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) : Indeed.

  • Comment 106, posted at 04.08.15 11:04:22 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 100) : OK, let me try that again. Site rules should be amended as follows:
    No religious discussions
    No political discussion
    No excessive profanity
    No excessively negative or insulting comments, except if directed at:
    - Conrad Hoffman
    - Heyneke Meyer
    - The Bulls
    - English and Australian sports teams
    - Man United
    - Spur Steak Ranches
    - SA Breweries
    - Dan Brown
    - Beyonce
    - Contemporary R&B (post mid-70′s or so)

    I think that more or less covers it

  • Comment 107, posted at 04.08.15 11:45:52 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 107) : Couple of refs to throw on the list, and John Smits cycling.

  • Comment 108, posted at 04.08.15 12:11:52 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 107) : leave Man United alone!!!!!! GLORRY GLORRY MAN UNITED!!!!!!!

  • Comment 109, posted at 04.08.15 12:16:21 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 107) : You forgot Voldemort, we’d lose half of Sharksworld if he’s not in there :grin:

  • Comment 110, posted at 04.08.15 12:39:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 109) : It’s exactly that constant, tuneless singing by their fans that warrants Man United’s place in the list… :wink:

  • Comment 111, posted at 04.08.15 12:44:13 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 110) : Pardon the ignorance, but who or what is a Voldemort?

  • Comment 112, posted at 04.08.15 12:44:53 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 112) : Centuries ago it was prophesied that a young, talented and formidable lock would wash up on our Durban shores. His hair should never be cut as it served as a perfect counter-balance to his upper-body strength and took stress off his achilles’ knees. The wise ones reckoned Durban would welcome his glorious mop but the evil storm(ers) gods conspired against the good people of Durban and told the young man he looked a bit soft with the long mane. The locks were shortened resulting in the lock’s match time being shortened. Eventually he decided to go in search of the false gods leaving fair Durban behind. Some say it was to exact his revenge while others say that the siren call of mediocrity just cannot be fought once you’ve hearkened to it. Only time will tell.

    It is this man I speak of. He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.

  • Comment 113, posted at 04.08.15 13:02:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) :

    Lol, very good.

  • Comment 114, posted at 04.08.15 13:10:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 112) :

    Not to be confused with the original three-letter Voldy.

  • Comment 115, posted at 04.08.15 13:10:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 115) : He was defeated some time ago or he gave up. Not sure :grin:

  • Comment 116, posted at 04.08.15 13:15:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) : I get that you were referring to PSDT, I’m just curious who or what the original Voldemort is/was. Guess I’ll have to Google it owing to your steadfast refusal to educate me :wink:

  • Comment 117, posted at 04.08.15 13:25:08 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 117) : apparently he was a dark wizard in a movie!!!

  • Comment 118, posted at 04.08.15 13:27:39 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 117) : My bad, Harry Potter arch-enemy often referred to as He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. And before you judge me, Harry Potter is a perfectly acceptable gateway-drug to more decent fantasy when trying to convince family members that make-believe stories are a valid waste of one’s pastime.

  • Comment 119, posted at 04.08.15 13:31:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 117) : You are joking,man if you are not have you ever read a book without very big writing and lots of pictures.

  • Comment 120, posted at 04.08.15 13:42:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 119) : I’m not opposed to Harry Potter per se; I watched the first movie, but did not particularly enjoy it, so the franchise and I decided to part ways amicably

  • Comment 121, posted at 04.08.15 13:42:51 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 120): I’m going to assume that in lieu of your comment referring to a series of children’s books, that the irony was intentional… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 122, posted at 04.08.15 13:45:28 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 122) : Whatever ,but whenever I see your picture it reminds me of a character out of Potter,Dobie the house elf.It has the same mauldlin sadness that Rowlin managed to capture in that character.

  • Comment 123, posted at 04.08.15 13:49:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 121) : Not much of a fan either but it served well enough as a means to an end at the time and is still (only just) preferable to anything featuring vampires :grin:

  • Comment 124, posted at 04.08.15 13:52:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 123) : Any likeness is purely unintentional. I chose the picture because I am a big fan of Dave McKean’s art.

  • Comment 125, posted at 04.08.15 13:57:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 125) : So I was right about the comics

  • Comment 126, posted at 04.08.15 14:07:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) : Voldy mach 2! :grin:

  • Comment 127, posted at 04.08.15 14:11:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 124): Seeing as we are all confessing our sins, I quite enjoyed the first few seasons of True Blood, actually…

  • Comment 128, posted at 04.08.15 14:14:50 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 128) : Didn’t particularly enjoy the one or two episodes of Six Feet Under I watched so never thought to even give True Blood a chance.

  • Comment 129, posted at 04.08.15 15:43:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 120) :
    Funny guy – calling out others for reading children’s books are we? :shock:

  • Comment 130, posted at 04.08.15 16:59:25 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 130) : What made you think that,I am a huge comic fan,almost in the Sheldon Cooper league.

  • Comment 131, posted at 04.08.15 18:48:05 by The hound Reply
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  • Well I think if we are casting a net it should be in Zim also makes more sense financially since we can stock a whole academy with youngsters from there.

  • Comment 132, posted at 04.08.15 19:07:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 132) : Youngsters without the requisite genetics or suitable diet growing up?

  • Comment 133, posted at 04.08.15 20:23:41 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 128) : You’re dead to me

  • Comment 134, posted at 04.08.15 20:25:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 133) : More so diet when growing up I’d think. Biggest reason we don’t have a massive conveyor belt of black players coming through in SA, in my mind.

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 107) : :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 136, posted at 04.08.15 20:34:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 133) : I would rather back a pool that produced Mtawarira Chavanga Ngwenya Bryan Mujati Raymond Rhule etc etc. Than a if and and maybe NFL dream yes….yah pool of underfed youngsters. ….

  • Comment 137, posted at 05.08.15 07:00:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 137) : There are 33,100 registered rugby players in Zimbabwe, in comparison there are 600,000 registered rugby players in SA. Besides a few talented players good luck using a pool of players that size, who will generally not be anywhere near the same standard of player that we get In SA.

    And just FYI there are 450,000 registered rugby players in the US. Considering the pool size, sporting back ground and generally better diet, that is where I would be looking. But hey you know what you’re talking about right.

  • Comment 138, posted at 05.08.15 07:45:58 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 138) : O and there are 1,080,000 registered gridiron players….

  • Comment 139, posted at 05.08.15 07:47:19 by Seth101 Reply
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  • *drops mic and walks out*

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 138) : As much as you know what you are talking about. This is my opinion and it matters just as much as yours. You know you are building a futile argument. Rugby is a joke in the us a punch line. A so you couldn’t make it on a real sport like gridiron so you play rugby. ..joke. I have heard them and as much as you want to believe in fairytales the reality is that there have many high class players from Zim and I have only seen one mediocre curry cup wannabe from us namely tod clever. But hey you know what you are talking about right? I’m done with this futile discussion. It won’t work, finished. Have no more time to waste on this. I talk about ideas that do have a chance. There is no point to this discussion.

  • Comment 141, posted at 05.08.15 08:15:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 138) : very good argument,but how many registered players in Fiji or Argentina,and they both produce above average teams.
    @coolfusion (Comment 141) : In large parts of Australia,Victoria being one rugby is a huge joke,and they still manage to beat us on a regular basis.

  • Comment 142, posted at 05.08.15 09:49:27 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 142) : Fiji 37,500 but I am sure we can all admit that what they lack in numbers they make up for in genetics.
    Argentina 102,700

  • Comment 143, posted at 05.08.15 09:55:36 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 137) : And rugby in zim is what, a national passtime? As for the beast argument, you realise he was schooled in SA, right?
    As for Raymond rhule, also schooled in SA. Oh, and he’s Ghanaian, not zim.
    As for mujati, he went to one of the poshest schools in zim,hardly representative of the populace at all.

  • Comment 144, posted at 05.08.15 10:57:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 144) : Beast went to Peterhouse, and only came to Durban as a 20 year old.
    Shit bud if we were to exclude all the posh school boys in the world,I leave it up to you to fill in the rest.

  • Comment 145, posted at 05.08.15 11:04:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 145) :

    Thats sort of my point bro.
    Rugby players the world over tend to come from posh schools and tend to come from wealthy households. Households that can afford the nutrition needed to succeed in a contact sport like rugby. Households that can afford the medical care needed when ligaments go, households that can afford the school fees for the best schools where theyll get the best coaching and development.

    Contrast this to Zim where more than half the population are on the poverty line and would never make it as a pro rugby player, even with all the talent in the world, simply because they dont have the right fuel in their bodies from a young age.

  • Comment 146, posted at 05.08.15 12:39:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 145) : He wasn’t saying exclude them, he is saying the are not representative of the average person. They get better nutrition and coaching.

  • Comment 147, posted at 05.08.15 12:57:43 by Seth101 Reply
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