Richard Ferguson

Jean back, Koch starts


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 5 Aug 2015 at 11:37
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The Springbok squad to face Argentina in Durban this weekend has been announced, with no fewer than 5 changes from the team that lost to the All Blacks two weeks ago.

Jean de Villiers starts his first test since THAT injury, completing a miracle return to the playing field. He partners Damian de Allende. The centre combination that performed admirably in the first two tests is broken, with Jesse Kriel shifted to the wing to accommodate the return of de Villiers. The rest of the backline remains unchanged as Handre Pollard is cleared to play.

Amongst the forwards, Marcell Coetzee returns after missing the All Blacks encounter, a straight swop for Francois Louw. Vincent Koch gets his first start for the Boks, replacing Jannie du Plessis at tighthead.

On the bench, there are returns for Pieter-Steph du Toit and Siya Kolisi.

Springboks: 15. Willie le Roux, 14. Jesse Kriel, 13. Jean de Villiers (Captain), 12. Damian de Allende, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Handre Pollard, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 8. Schalk Burger, 7. Marcell Coetzee, 6. Heinrich Brussow, 5. Lood De Jager, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Vincent Koch, 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 1. Tendai Mtawarira.

Replacements: 16. Adriaan Strauss, 17. Trevor Nyakane, 18. Marcel van der Merwe, 19. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20. Siya Kolisi, 21. Cobus Reinach, 22. Patrick Lambie, 23. Lwazi Mvovo.



305 Comments

  • Was going to go to the game, now I think there are better things to do.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.08.15 11:39:45 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Meyer: “Plan will be to give some other guys a chance in next weekend’s clash against Argentina in Argentina”

    Why not in Durban where people actually want to see those ‘other guys’ play??? Because he is desperate for a win to say “Hey look we are actually capable of winning” ignore the fact that it is against Argentina.

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.08.15 11:43:11 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Supersport is saying that Jean will play 13?

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.08.15 11:48:10 by Ben Reply
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  • im not too sure what to think of this side and his thinking here. From what i can gather…Pollard and LeRoux are first choices and Lambie will bench to cover either one. Pienaar is his confirmed 2nd choice 9 until DuPreez is back. He is happy for Koch to cover Jannie but isnt sure sure who he wants to cover Beast- probably Kitshoff but he is injured. Whitely seems to have run his Bok race and is out the picture as is Mahoje. And lastly he knows he wants all of DeVilliers/Kriel and DeAllende on the field just not sure in which combo.

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.08.15 11:50:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I get what he did in the back line. He wants Jean as captain, but wants to keep Damian and Jesse next to each other. I also understand why he would want to make minimal changes aside from Jean, because he would like a real measure of where Jean stands compared to his new center combo, but I think Lambie needs a run as badly as Jean does and it’s stupid to risk Pollard at this stage.

    I’m just mad that Lambie is again not being trusted at 10. I hope he will be given a decent run at 10 but I really doubt it.

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.08.15 11:52:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • Although Jesse on wing could be a really good thing for us, but with JdV there he will def never see any ball from the so called best distributor in the world.

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.08.15 11:52:43 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 5) : according to FB JdV is playing 13.

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.08.15 11:55:09 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I think HM is getting comfortable with a reinach/lambie combo covering his bench, but even so, they should get gametime if they are going to mean anything this RWC. If they don’t get it and are required more than thw 10 min each game that HM is planning to use them, it will be on him if they don’t perform. All I’m saying.

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.08.15 11:55:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 8) : I still don’t agree with that comb, a Faf Lambie combo would be allot better.

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.08.15 11:57:13 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 6) : I hat that Jean is being forced into the side. He clearly isn’t the best player in any backline position anymore. HM should be looking for captains within the starting 15, not forcing players into the 15 because they are viable captains. Won’t we ever learn.

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.08.15 11:58:13 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 9) : I know, you don’t rate Reinach, as I don’t really rate Faf. Great opportunist, as much as Reinach, but still shows poor decision making and sometimes let slip of the quality of his main duties as a scrummy. Definitely has potential, but that would have to wait till after the WC.

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.08.15 12:00:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • Lambie really needed to start, unless his neck isn’t still 100%.

    I really can’t understand the logic of NOT starting Lambie who is desperate for game time.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.08.15 12:01:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Ok its clear that Meyer is as dumb as the Bulls he supports. Lambie should have started and Pollard completely dropped but it seems as Pollard can do no wrong in Meyers eyes. Pollard folds under pressure, he has n=done nothing to warrant his selection over Lambie or Janjies, Pollard is a revolving door on defense and to say he attacks the line is nonsense as he attacks the line as good as Lambie and Janjies can. The only reason Pollard is there is because he plays for the Bulls, if he played for any other team, he would not even be in the squad. Meyer hardly ever selects a form player. He continues to select old, outdated, unfit players out of position. We can be lucky we are playing the Pumas. We actually have an ok chance of beating them and breaking our 3 test loosing streak. Meyer has also made it clear that he does not rate Warren Whiteley. Why not just release him so that he can go and win the CC for the Lions.

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.08.15 12:48:07 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) : On Monday there were serious worries about Pollards concussion that he hadnt gotten over yet…and lo and behold here he pops up as set to play a test match. Crazy. Id say from that that Lambie is furter over his injury than what Pollard is.

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.08.15 12:52:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 14) : You forget the most important thing. In order to have a concussion you need a brain. Pollard is a Bulls player, thus no brain, thus no concussion.

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.08.15 12:56:04 by Mutley Reply
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  • For me the best possible out come form the world cup would be Meyer leaving. The amount of people I have seen saying that he will get a second term makes me very very scared.

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.08.15 12:56:31 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Firstly Im a Jesse Kriel fan and dont really get him being played all over the place in the backline ahead of existing Boks that played the last competition in those positions. Surely if he is the best in the country in these positions that he now covers for the Boks then he should have been playing in those positions for his franchise. Im looking at this from those wings and centres points of view and not from Kriels crazy good ability. Im sure he will blow the socks off most of the backline positions that he gets to play.

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.08.15 12:57:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • *sigh*

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.08.15 12:58:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 15) : Eina.

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.08.15 12:58:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • My HM apologetics are looking more and more misplaced! *sigh*

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.08.15 12:59:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • No Lambie…*sigh*

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.08.15 13:00:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 17) : I prefer Kriel at wing. Great attacking player that has pace to burn and a nose for the try line, but the kid cant defend. You needs centres that can attack and defend and Kriel cant tackle. It does not help if he scores great tries but misses tackles that leads to tries

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.08.15 13:00:46 by Mutley Reply
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  • Kriel, whoproves himself at 13…shifted to 14…*sigh*

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.08.15 13:01:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 22) : Kriel wasn’t the one who missed tackles that led to tries…Pollard was…

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.08.15 13:02:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 24) : If I remember correctly, during the NZ game Pollard missed 2, De Allende 4 and Kriel 3 tackles. But I am talking under correction. But Pollard is a revolving door on defense and offers nothing on attack that Lambie or Janjies does not offer. Lambie is also very solid on defense and cool under pressure. De Allende big strong ball carrier, breaks tackles, makes good hits but he over commits and makes mistakes on defense. Kriel electrifying pace, runs great angles but also cant defend. He missed a lot of tackles for the Bulls at fullback and for a centre and loose forward to miss more than one tackle at test level is unacceptable. Thats ‘why I would prefer him on the wing.

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.08.15 13:08:05 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 25) : Wether you like it or not, Pollard does offer lots in attack, and unfortunately for Lambie, opportunities for skillful but relatively small FH are limited at international level. Pollard does take the ball to the line well, does break tackles, does distribute well, and is no slouch on defence. Trying to make Lambie this perfect tackling and attacking FH isn’t going to wash. He is a very good player, more suited to FB I am afraid. Lambie hasn’t nailed down the FH position in how many years? Not only at provincial but also national level under various coaches. They can’t all be stupid!!

    All this bleating by fans that Lambie deserves this and that is simply just provincialism, and fan bias.
    Pollard is the man in the saddle, fact!

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.08.15 13:39:01 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : We all can see that Pollard is the man in the saddle, thats obvious. Its the why that he is in the saddle that is what is annoying us, because as true as nuts he has only nailed down the 10 spot in his, Meyers and your minds and is there by virtue of Meyer refusing to not play him there despite his so so form.

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.08.15 13:46:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Just noticed that Kolisi is in the line up – he must have bought some form somewhere in downtown Durban because it has been non-existant for the last couple of seasons. Very lucky.

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.08.15 13:51:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 27) : Hear hear…so tired of the old pollard is the future comment without any proper evidence that he can out class his contemporaries. Also tired of hearing how HM knows what lambie has to offer. ..yes how? By giving him bare minimum exposure and benchmarking him on what you remember from last year? If anything we all know what Pollard has to offer judging by his current season and past one. I keep hearing how he is going to get better just don’t see it. Actually fear this kid is a lot more limited than what the media and fan base credit him with.

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.08.15 13:53:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : The answer u are looking for is Lambie is the best no matter what and he should be only played at 10 every time by any coach. Anything else shows how inept the coach is. Every Bulls player selected is only because Hyneke Meyer once coached the Bulls an owes these guys. The only debate regarding this Bok side should be why Lambie is not a 10…the rest doesnt not matter as if Lmabie is at 10 we will win by 50pts…if not we will get smashed.

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.08.15 13:55:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I’ll wait for curry cup. Keep your boks HM. Not interested. So glad he will be gone after this world cup.

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.08.15 13:57:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : And your only answer is Pollard should be in no matter what and no other player will come withing a lightyear of his skill. Also no thought need be given to sharpen up the guy we will turn to should the mighty Pollard stumble or he be injured. ..no matter what and because HM said so. Amen.

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.08.15 14:00:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I read earlier this week somewhere that HM signed Pollard at the Bulls when he was just 16. If this is true, then it all makes sense now that he backs the kid 1000% just to justify his selection. As if to say to all who is listening “See! I told you this boy would play for the boks one day! See! I knew he is a match winner! Clever me!” Irks me to no end. I think we must just accept the reality that in HM eyes, he can do no wrong. He can miss all his tackles, all his kicks, do a half-time dance in his undies on the field and HM would probably say in the presser afterwards: I think Handre was superb. :shock:

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.08.15 14:04:20 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 16) : Nah no second term he won’t win a cup and has no other silverware he basically has nothing to offer another fresh coach can’t match. I love how people compare his won stats against Jake divvie and Christie. The only Stat that matters is silverware and that automatically adds 20 bonus points to any coach per trophy. He is already behind Jake with no hope of catching up. Best he can hope for is by some miracle winning world cup and getting to second spot, but my money says best he can hope for is 1st round of knockouts. ..not even.

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.08.15 14:06:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 20) : Don’t quite het the comment? Are you saying that you cannot apologize for HM anymore?

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.08.15 14:07:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 33) : And behold he never misses an opportunity to mention pollard in every press release after a game. So you are on to something there. ..

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.08.15 14:09:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 32) : So by your theory then Bismarck also shouldnt be starting? Neither should Beast? And LeRoux? And Etzebeth? but i dont see full on rants about them? IS it cos they arent Bulls or cause they arent flyhalves?

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.08.15 14:10:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Is Whitely still injured?

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.08.15 14:11:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 34) : Friends and connections can buy you anything.

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.08.15 14:11:55 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : Exactly right. We should have rotated Bisse, Etzebeth, Beast etc so that we have depth. If Bissie gets injured we’ll have an out of form Strauss and Brits who has had no game time.

    The rant is because Lambie has had limited game time and Pollard folds under pressure (see last year vs Ireland and Wales) while Lambie has a calm head and can change tactics when needed.

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.08.15 14:15:16 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 33) : This from the man HM himself after the announcement today: “Pat hasn’t played a lot (JA! Wonder why??), and … Pollie [Pollard] is just starting to get back to form(WTF). He’s really doing well with Ruan [Pienaar], and Damian [de Allende] there..” Yes coach.. whatever you say coach… SHM. Delusional AF

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.08.15 14:15:20 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : For the record, I’m not a Sharks fan. I’m a Lions fan and if I was being fan bias I would have been yelling for Jantjies and Boshoff to be played. but I know Lambie is better. He is the first choice flyhalf for the Sharks and the games he plays for the Sharks, they play attractive winning rugby. I also said Pollard offers offers you nothing on attack that Lambie or Janjies cant, basically what Pollard can do on attack, Jantjies and Lambie can do too. Lambie also has proven that he can play under pressure by winning 2 CC against the odds for the Sharks and nailing high pressure kicks for the Sharks and Boks on numerous occasions. Pollard on the other hand had a good U/20 WC in 2012 and did nothing since. He folded under the pressure last year at the U/20 final. He did nothing to win games for the Bulls. He is just a big and strong guy, that is all he has that Lambie does not. Lambie is a more rounded flyhalf

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.08.15 14:20:13 by Mutley Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : Bleating? Pffft please!

    All arguments are based on how Pollard doesn’t handle pressure well (Ireland and Wales games last year) and has no Plan B when Plan A doesn’t work.

    Pollard also slips a lot of tackles, which Lambie doesn’t.

    Check out a team I posted a while ago and you’ll find precious few Sharks in it, I pick on merit and I’m not afraid to admit when my team plays badly.

    So once again… Bleating?! Pffft!

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.08.15 14:26:06 by StevieS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : It’s cause I didn’t have time to point out all HM folly. ..but now that you mention it…yes definetely. …Well spotted!

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.08.15 14:26:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 33) : So you think he is poor then? Really naive to think an international coach would risk his career to play a player on a “I told you so basis!

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.08.15 14:27:22 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 40) : So then why is every 2nd comment on here about Pollard and not those other guys? I am a fan of Lambie but he isnt the no.1 at the moment whether we like it or not. EH is at least included on the bench. Should Janjies who had a good Super rugby not be bitching that Lambie is there not him as he out performed Lambie during Super rugby. So yes fair enough say Pollard shouldnt be there…but neither should Lambie over Janjies then

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.08.15 14:27:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 45) : Well, it’s the ONLY reason I can think of why he continually persists with such a below par player… The mind boggles..

  • Comment 47, posted at 05.08.15 14:30:19 by Another Nick Reply

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  • I would like to amend my rant to include the following. .why doesn’t bissie, etsebeth, le roux get rotated even Ruan …remember when Duane was fit and playing poor guy also got no time off. An old HM trait. Now there’s Whiteley waiting a possible great replacement with totally different dynamic also gets precious little time. Coach needs a wake up…

  • Comment 48, posted at 05.08.15 14:30:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 46) : An argument could be made for Lambie’s greater test experience and also he has never let down the Boks when he has been given an opportunity to play.

    I was impressed with Jantjies this year, but last year he was awful. Given the choice I would go for Lambie’s consistency.

  • Comment 49, posted at 05.08.15 14:30:44 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 27) : Dawie Theron also backed him. And in all honesty had he been a Shark, 80% of his haters on here would be singing his praises. Unfortunately quite a few on here can’t be relied on for an objective opinion on the matter. I have no provincial bias in this regard. Lamb is a great player, very cool and collected under pressure. He controls the game well, but we need someone to create opportunities in the “new” style of play for the Boks.

    Sorry, but Pollard shows more promise in this regard.
    Rate Pollard compared to Lambie at the same age, and stage of career, and I would back Pollard. Lamb is the impact player on the bench. It is what it is.

  • Comment 50, posted at 05.08.15 14:31:02 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 44) : So when do u play guys in successive games because they are the first choice and you want to build combos..Is it 2 games then dropped for another guy? 3 games? If we truly believe that HM picks guys just to spite others i think we are being a bit foolish

  • Comment 51, posted at 05.08.15 14:31:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 46) : I guess people are happy the other Sharks players are playing, but I am with you on the need for more rotation and rest of Bissie etc.

  • Comment 52, posted at 05.08.15 14:31:40 by StevieS Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 45) : You’re just as naive to think an international coach can’t make a mistake and/or not be good at his job.

    But you on several occasions have been blatantly anti Sharks, that and your ability to selectively argue make me not care very much for your opinion.

    I much like everyone above would select very few Sharks after our previous Super Rugby season, but I would select Lambie, plain and simple because he is better than Pollard.

  • Comment 53, posted at 05.08.15 14:31:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : Personally I don’t think he has bias or anything like that, I just think he is not a very good coach and is very short sighted, he goes for Bulls players because he is short sighted and he knows them better than other players not because he is biased.

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.08.15 14:33:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 29) : Lambie started vs. England, Italy and Wales last year. Boom argument blown out the water!! Think HM knows exactly what Lambie offers.

  • Comment 55, posted at 05.08.15 14:35:12 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 42) : Mutley you said the magic words…big strong. .and that makes those beady little eyes of HM shine…

  • Comment 56, posted at 05.08.15 14:36:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : When you have 12 months to spare you play them successively …when you are where you are now dear HM …you start testing and honing the bench strength.

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.08.15 14:38:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 29) : Pollard has 11 test caps and has scored 2 tries and has 85 test points.
    Lamb has played 42 Tests and scored 2 tries and has 106 test points.

    Yes Lambie has been the starter in only a few tests. 8 at FH and 7 as FB. Point is with more opportunities, Pollard is certainly scoring more points on average. That is compelling enough.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.08.15 14:45:22 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 55) : Ugh don’t you have a different argument than HM knows what lambie offers…. Oh and the magic words is “he started LAST year”. So Pat Lambie has not moved up or down in anyone’s eyes in one year? He had almost a full super season layoff but he is still exactly the same? And you will take that asessment into a world cup? But Pollard who has had more starts has improved, really to me he seems at the same place. Boom….? Ja I doubt any nz or aus coach would have been comfortable with that. But then again they do play to win and not to merely “improve”..as old HM likes it. Maybe there is a cup for most improved team this year? Maybe we just perpetually improve without ever winning anything….isn’t that nice?

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.08.15 14:45:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 48) : Umm did you see Whitelys last 2 Bok games? he looked more confused than the average man at SARS. Schalk has def outplayed him in a Bok jersey so deserves to be there. Who would he rotate Etzebeth with? Strauss has played many games so HM knows what he will get with him, no need to play him- he is on the bench so gets time anyway. As with Beast he doesnt have someone who has stood up to be the next best so he is trying guys off the bench. I am a fan of Lambie…but Pollard is the future at 10 for the Boks like it or not

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.08.15 14:46:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : :evil: :lol:

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.08.15 14:47:33 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 57) : Sorry but i dont subscribe to that. You pick your best and next best off the bench. Injuries etc will allow for natural rotation. If the guy coming in is ‘rusty’ then he probably isnt good enough in the first place.

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.08.15 14:50:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 42) : Thats fantastic. Seeing Lambie can nail the CC all on his own, why bother paying the other Sharks players exorbitant salaries? So by your analogy Jannie de Beer could be brought out of retirement, because that boy could nail kicks under pressure. In fact, then we may as well shelve Lambie and play Morne Steyn, because I am sure he has won more trophies than Lambi, also all on his own.
    Sharks played attractive rugby like when?

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.08.15 14:52:41 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : Nope dude I can’t buy that line till I have seen Lambie get the opportunities…everyone saying it , doesn’t make it so. And sure he may not get his time this year with HM there, but HM will not be there after this year I hope. And quoting Lambie’s caps to date is unfair nr 1. It’s no one’s fault that Pollard lacks the versatility lambie has so he gets a shot in other positions. 2. Lambie has been playing longer than Pollard and of all the other ” great hopes” has managed to outlast all these “future of rugby” prodigies. ..and is still better than them.

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.08.15 14:53:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • It really is pointless arguing anything than Lambie should be at 10 no matter what. My question to everyone jumping on the Hyneke should be executed at Kings Park bandwagon…if Lambie played and had a below average game then what? Should be be kicked out of the World Cup Selection? Do we honestly think that any coach no matter who would not have some preference for the players he believes are good enough? The reason he is chosen as coach is because his opinion is valued. A Even if one of us were coach we would have bias towards certain players. So fair enough be a bit critical…but i know id def prefer HM to PDivvy or Jake White

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.08.15 14:55:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Well I may have my goggles…but you certainly have yours too…so no point…

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.08.15 14:56:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 48) : As great as Whiteley he he does not suit HM game plan. Schalk played better in the Barbarians game than Whiteley but the game only started to open up after Whiteley left the field so Whiteley might have also had a better game. Against Aus and NZ Schalk did have good games but his lack of experience at No8 clearly shown when he was pushed back over the try line in a defensive scrum against Aus and tried to be the hero at No8 when the Boks had an attacking scrum against NZ. In the NZ game Whitleys general play was good and he did what was expected, he did make one good break and tackled very well in both the NZ game and Barbarians game, he is also a very good line out jumper but HM made up his mind and Whiteley will not go to the WC. Schalk in both the Aus and NZ games, his general play was great but he played like a flanker and did not do the basics of a No8.

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.08.15 14:57:00 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 53) : You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. Really couldn’t be bothered if you take anything I say serious. I have on numerous occasions stated that I like Lambie. I just don’t see why all and sundry here get in a tizzy every time. As SheldonK has stated, why is the rant always about Lambie. Lamb has played under many coaches, and even the Sharks haven’t always backed him at FH. If he was as good, then he would be an auto starter for any coach. White shifted him around, Plaum shifted him around. So why does it make HM the clown?

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.08.15 14:58:09 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 64) : Why has every coach Lambie has had no fully backed him as his first choice 10? Is it because he hasnt fully nailed down the spot or they just want to spite him. He is a good player but should have stayed at 15. And who is saying that the next coach goes with Lambie? What is he picks Pollard and Janjies? Are we gonna just write off another 4yrs?

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.08.15 14:59:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 58) : Give us minutes on the field and against whom those minutes were played – that would be more relevant.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.08.15 15:01:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 64) : So why is it then that Peter de Villiers also saw Lambie as an important bench option vs. a starting FH or FB? I guess he was an undercover Bulls supporter.

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.08.15 15:02:56 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 67) : Well I certainly am nor saying Whiteley is the best. But true to HM form he never grows these guys to the point where anyone can say with certainty of Warren Whiteley had 10 bok caps he could have done what schalk does and more. No we are deprived of ever knowing cause our coach at this very late stage STILL talks of finding that final squad. When we all know he will be going with what he knows from 1 and 2 years back cause he has done nothing to measure what he has. If Jaque Fourie is fit he will be in, regardless if he is the same guy we remember why? Heineke Meyer. Ditto Jean de Villiers. Really how much evolution has there been in 2 years? How similar is his Roster. Sure pick the best player, but be fair and give guys enough time to compete then if you can still beat them CONSISTENTLY you deserve it. Before that there is no argument because you have no proof.

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.08.15 15:05:47 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 71) : Oh that’s right because the future was Goosen then jantjies..oh good argument. .and what did they do? Nothing. And who is now still rated higher who is still in contention? Lambie.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.08.15 15:07:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 71) : And pieter de Villiers achieved what with his shortsightedness? Your argument is so valid. HM will win exactly the same amount of world cups and tri nations cups as Ole divvie.

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.08.15 15:09:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 68) : Preach it brother.

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.08.15 15:10:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 74) : And probably try to do it with exactly the same team too! Anyone have bakkies telephone number morne already back in. Let’s see Brussouw check burger check…who are we still missing boys?

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.08.15 15:12:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • As an impartial observer, pollard is the better player.

    Sorry guys, just call em like I see him. Every coach can’t be wrong and lambie has had many opportunities to make the position his own, under numerous coaches.

    Maybe he’s just not quite as good as you lot think he is?

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.08.15 15:12:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 73) : Goosen was very talented- but pushed too quickly into senior rugby and wasnt conditioned hence the injuries. Janjies had a lot of deficiencies but has worked on them in Japan and is now a much more composed and well rounded player. Ive said it many times- id play both Pollard and Lambie- Lambie is a better 15 than 10…always was.

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.08.15 15:12:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 73) : Is he rated higher? Doesn’t look like it…

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.08.15 15:13:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Ok I’m out. Time for work.

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.08.15 15:13:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 72) : HM does not reward form, he rewards players that are loyal to him. Meyer is stubborn and for him to drop a player is basically for him to admit he is wrong and Meyer is never wrong.

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.08.15 15:13:35 by Mutley Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 72) : This isn’t primary school where everybody get a a go mate.

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.08.15 15:15:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 81) : Name me a south African rugby coach that is not stubborn .

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.08.15 15:15:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 82) : There is definitely an argument to be made about how we are worried everytime we lose a player because we don’t have established back up, that is 100% due to Meyers selection policy.

    Someone with more time than me, compare the number of new players capped under Meyer compared to previous coaches.

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.08.15 15:17:32 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I think Lambie is a good player and id def hav him in my team if i was coach, just at 15. And considering we arent being realistic…last time Boks beat NZ- Pollard dominated the game…Lambie came on and NZ came right back in and we only won due to a very dodgey penalty. Boks were winning vs OZ a couple weeks ago…Lambie came on and we lost. Boks were winning against NZ…Lambie came on and we lost. Yes there other factors but we only talking about Lambie it seems

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.08.15 15:18:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 84) : Whose worried?

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.08.15 15:19:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 85) : Yup… But it’s lambie mate. The gods have devined him as the only true south African flyhalf. Well the endglish God’s anyway. The afrikaa s God’s have other ideas.
    Truth be told – maybe he’s just not the shit Durban thinks he is.
    I even think the Cat is a better suited player to the boks.

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.08.15 15:21:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 87) : Crises imagine Lambie doesnt start at 10 for the Sharks next year…or what if he leaves for Europe…maybe its best if we just disband the Sharks and Boks then

  • Comment 88, posted at 05.08.15 15:23:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 86) : Do you live under a rock? Jean got injured, panic. Duan got injured, panic. Matfield injured, panic. Marcel injured, panic.

    And sure you will argue they are important players, name me a single player The AB’s could lose and not have back up just as good?

  • Comment 89, posted at 05.08.15 15:24:12 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Hahaha gota love when people have to over exaggerate the opinions of others to make themselves feel better about their own, keep going please :) .

  • Comment 90, posted at 05.08.15 15:26:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 70) : Go Google the Springbok Rugby Hall of Fame, and you can go see for yourself. Nothing will change your perception. So relevance will not sway you .
    Lambie started as FH in 9 Tests:
    vs. NZ July 2011
    vs. Ireland, Scotland and England November 2012
    vs. Scotland November 2013
    vs. England, Italy and Wales November 2014.
    He scored 66 points in those matches as FH. Most of his test points apart from that have been scored as a reserve. (Two tries vs. NZ and Australia as a reserve)

    Pollard started as FH in 9 Tests:
    vs. Scotland June 2014
    vs Argentina 2 x August 2014
    vs. NZ and Australia September 2014
    vs NZ October 2014
    vs. Ireland and Italy November 2014
    vs NZ and Australia July 2015
    He scored 85 points in those matches (including two tries vs. NZ)

  • Comment 91, posted at 05.08.15 15:28:00 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 89) : They reason for that is because Meyer has not built depth in any position. He picked his WC squad 4 years ago and will stick to those players even if they need crutches to get on the field. Matfield is past his sell by date, Pienaar is past his sell by date, De Villiers is past his sell by date but they will still go to the WC and we have not developed or given any other players a proper opportunity.

  • Comment 92, posted at 05.08.15 15:28:06 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 92) : My argument exactly, but some people will defend him and his actions to their graves. If we don’t win the world cup, Meyer will have never won a single thing, just saying.

  • Comment 93, posted at 05.08.15 15:29:53 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 93) : Jake White has a Tri Nations title, a World Cup and 3 wins against the All Blacks. Peter Helium has a Tri Nations, BI Lions series win and 5 wins against the All Black. Heyneke Meyer has a win against the All Black in a dead rubber match and more pensioners than the old age home

  • Comment 94, posted at 05.08.15 15:33:10 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 94) : He has a Super Rugby title,it is Jean de Villiers who has never ever won anything.

  • Comment 95, posted at 05.08.15 15:35:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 94) : Edit, missed you mentioned this.

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  • @Mutley (Comment 92) : Its all well and good to say build depth…but what exactly have these other players done to deserve to be there instead? Have they won Super rugby? Been in a final of Super rugby? Been sensational off the bench for the Boks? Dont tell me they won a Currie Cup. So yes you want depth…but look at how our local guys have performed…do u really wonder why HM struggles to back them? Dont try compare Boks to NZ as one of their Super rugby sides would probably beat the Boks

  • Comment 97, posted at 05.08.15 15:39:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Heyneke Meyer is a fool. I said it four years ago when he was appointed. I said it three years ago. I said it two years ago. I said it last year. And I still believe it to this day.

  • Comment 98, posted at 05.08.15 15:41:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 95) : Wow a Super Rugby title as Bok coach, how the hell did he pull that off?

  • Comment 99, posted at 05.08.15 15:41:06 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 98) : And you would rather have who as coach?

  • Comment 100, posted at 05.08.15 15:41:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 97) : What has HM boys done in the last 2 years to warrant selection? None of them has been the best in their position this or last year?

  • Comment 101, posted at 05.08.15 15:43:42 by Mutley Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 100) : No shit head as a coach,but Jean de Villiers as a captain has won squat,not even a Currie Cup.

  • Comment 102, posted at 05.08.15 15:44:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 99) : By that logic Frans Ludeke is twice the coach that Meyer is because he won 2 Super Rugby titles hahahahahaha

  • Comment 103, posted at 05.08.15 15:44:48 by Mutley Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 102) : You quoted the wrong person :) . We are arguing achievements as Bok coach, of which he has 0.

  • Comment 104, posted at 05.08.15 15:46:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 101) : Bismark is still the best hooker in the world,depending on who you are talking to accuse can be made for Mattfield as a line-out general,but after that it gets very thin.

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.08.15 15:47:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 92) : That’s where you’re wrong. Jake White picked Heyneke’s team for him. If they were good enough eight years ago then certainly they will be good enough now. :roll:

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.08.15 15:48:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 91) : @<a I dont have the time to do that, sadly. Minutes played will be the interseting stat for me.

    Anyway for what its worth I hope South Africa is stuck with Meyer for another 4 years, they somehow just look right and seem to deserve each other.

  • Comment 107, posted at 05.08.15 15:49:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 92) : So it was all Meyer’s fault that PSDT and Lood got injured, and that other lock options went to ply their trade overseas? Meyer had enough depth amongst the loosies. Injuries caused major disruptions. Alberts, Flouw, Vermeulen, Marcell Coetzee, Deysel all injured in the past year.

    I want to live in your world where all the conditions just conform to expectations. Man that must be bliss.

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.08.15 15:49:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 106) : Age and injury layoff doesn’t even factor into HM’s thought process.

  • Comment 109, posted at 05.08.15 15:49:50 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 103) : I think after Robbie Deans Luddeke is the next most successful super rugby coach.

  • Comment 110, posted at 05.08.15 15:50:04 by The hound Reply
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  • My question is who woudld you rather have to coach instead? Bearing in mind the guy you pick would definitely pick Lambie at 10. @Mutley (Comment 101) : And who has over taken them as the no.1 choice?

  • Comment 111, posted at 05.08.15 15:50:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 108) : Injury his fault no. Players going to play overseas, well an argument could definitely be made for it being at least partly his fault.

  • Comment 112, posted at 05.08.15 15:51:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 78) : “Lambie is a better 15 than 10…always was.”

    Is that your opinion or is it fact, coach Sheldon?

  • Comment 113, posted at 05.08.15 15:52:31 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 108) : In a way it is Meyer’s fault that a lot of guys went overseas,he fought for and got permission to pick off shore players.

  • Comment 114, posted at 05.08.15 15:53:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 111) : That question always makes me laugh, by asking it you’re implying Meyer is the best possible coach in the whole world for the job, and if you think that well sir you’re moron.

  • Comment 115, posted at 05.08.15 15:54:04 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 100) : 4 years ago I would rather have taken Alistair Coetzee as Bok coach.

  • Comment 116, posted at 05.08.15 15:54:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 111) : The Form super 15 this year
    1. Stephan Kitshoff
    2. Bismark du Plessis
    3. Vincent Koch
    4. Eben Etsebeth
    5. Franco Mostert
    6. Jaco Kriel
    7. Marcell Coetzee
    8. Warren Whiteley
    9. Faf de Klerk
    10. Elton Jantjies
    11. Francois Hougaard
    12. Damian de Allende
    13. Lionel Mapoe
    14. Ruan Combrink
    15. Cheslin Kolbe

    Give or take a few players, but that’s just my opinion of who performed this year.

  • Comment 117, posted at 05.08.15 15:56:03 by Mutley Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 111) : The argument most of us are making is that Lambie should get a fair chance to prove his worth.

  • Comment 118, posted at 05.08.15 15:56:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 89) : I don’t remember anybody panicking. Maybe I just don’t run in the same circles as you. In every instance you’ve named, others have stepped up, as would be expected.

  • Comment 119, posted at 05.08.15 15:57:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 117) : I am aroused by that team sheet. As you say give or take a couple.

  • Comment 120, posted at 05.08.15 15:57:53 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : I’m not too worried about lambie. If rugby doesn’t work out for him there’s always work as a cherub. Or in the dwarf tossing line of work.

  • Comment 121, posted at 05.08.15 15:58:52 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 119) : Then you pay very little attention to 1. The media, and 2. Meyer himself, he has specifically blamed loses on those players being missing.

  • Comment 122, posted at 05.08.15 15:59:47 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 113) : Firstly it cannot be a fact either way as its always an opinion. But considering he was first noticed as a 15 and pretty much won the u21 CC at 15 id say yes 15.

  • Comment 123, posted at 05.08.15 16:01:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 92) : Mate, with respect, you seem to have made up your mind 4 years ago. NZ are taking some old timers to the WC, as have countless teams before them, including England taking Shaw with at the age of 38, and then won the thing.

  • Comment 124, posted at 05.08.15 16:01:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 120) : Demitri Catrikilas and de Jongh also played well for the Stormers and Dillian Leyds during the later part of the tournament. Hond vd Merwe, Julian Redelinghuis, Warwick Tecklenburg and Harold Vorster performed well for the Lions. Mvovo and Sithole had their moments for the Sharks. Kriel had some good games for the Bulls. We have a lot of options but Meyer prefers old out of form players

  • Comment 125, posted at 05.08.15 16:02:35 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 90) : And panic isn’t an over exaggeration?

  • Comment 126, posted at 05.08.15 16:02:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 115) : i think i must have the sun shining on my screen cos i dont see where i said HM was the best in the world. I simply asked who would you have coach instead? provided that whoever you choose would definitely pick Lambie as that seems to be the yardstick for a god coach. @Ben (Comment 116) : Coetzee wouldnt have picked Lambie so think again

  • Comment 127, posted at 05.08.15 16:03:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 123) : So the Currie Cup he won at 10 doesn’t count? :roll:

  • Comment 128, posted at 05.08.15 16:03:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 121) : Don’t give up your day job,

  • Comment 129, posted at 05.08.15 16:04:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 117) : Thats a wonderful list…now how does your ‘form’ rate considering where our SA sides finished? Class over that form..well

  • Comment 130, posted at 05.08.15 16:04:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • And there you have it, 19.96 Rand buys you 1 British Pound. I knew this Meyer bloke was up to no good.

  • Comment 131, posted at 05.08.15 16:04:48 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 124) : The thing is NZ is taking form players to the WC with back up players that have been tested at the highest level. Our experienced players are mostly out of form or injured

  • Comment 132, posted at 05.08.15 16:04:53 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 122) : Why would I pay attention to the media, pray tell?

  • Comment 133, posted at 05.08.15 16:04:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) : Like I said. Most of us are arguing for Lambie to get a fair shot.

  • Comment 134, posted at 05.08.15 16:05:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 122) : Hahaha you people that argue that he is to small, you geniuses realize that Cruden is smaller than him right? So is Sopoaga….

  • Comment 135, posted at 05.08.15 16:06:09 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) : @Ben (Comment 134) : Not to be the one and only number one.

  • Comment 136, posted at 05.08.15 16:06:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 121) : Yeah, like he did with Schalk Burger. That was bloody funny.

  • Comment 137, posted at 05.08.15 16:06:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 128) : I never said it didnt count…its just weighs in. And for me his performances at 15 still trump that 1 good game. Yes he has played well at 10, im not denying that…all im saying is i believe he is a better 15 and should have stayed thee

  • Comment 138, posted at 05.08.15 16:06:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 129) : Such a good comment. Simply astounded that you’re even able to type without opposable thumbs.

  • Comment 139, posted at 05.08.15 16:07:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 130) : So your argument is because SA teams did not perform, the form players should not be rewarded but we should rather use the tried and trusted players irregardless if they have played any rugby this year or are the best in their position. Well my argument is, that you pick the best player because why then perform if you are not going to be selected.

  • Comment 140, posted at 05.08.15 16:09:18 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 137) : And yet scchalk is still playing for the boks and lambie is lucky to be earmig the bench. So big was that move years ago it’s still all you can talk about.

  • Comment 141, posted at 05.08.15 16:09:40 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 134) : Whats a fair shot? 1 game? 3? 4? he is on the bench- he will play

  • Comment 142, posted at 05.08.15 16:09:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 139) :thats only funny if you are an accountant,trust me bru don’t give up your day job.

  • Comment 143, posted at 05.08.15 16:10:34 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 121) : Yup, he’s pretty good at tossing stuff. Remember what he did to Schalk Burger in the 2103 Currie Cup final? :twisted:

  • Comment 144, posted at 05.08.15 16:10:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) : As I said by asking that question you are implying he is the best option, if not why even ask it?

  • Comment 145, posted at 05.08.15 16:11:00 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 140) : im not saying dont pick any…im saying u cant pick all as its not like we were the top 4 sides in the comp…so form is very relative. Bakkies won a European Cup..so is he then not the best in his position? DeAllende, Kriel, Whitely, Koch have all been given a shot

  • Comment 146, posted at 05.08.15 16:12:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 143) :

    Who was talking about giving up the day job?
    I just said Lambie has options – including being a cherub.

  • Comment 147, posted at 05.08.15 16:12:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 144) :

    And lest i repeat – Burger is still there adding starting cap after starting cap.
    Wher eis the mighty Lambie?

  • Comment 148, posted at 05.08.15 16:12:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 137) : You beat me to it. Darn!

  • Comment 149, posted at 05.08.15 16:12:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 147) : By doing so making yourself look very idiotic….

  • Comment 150, posted at 05.08.15 16:12:54 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 145) : Well by you guys not being able to give me an alternative then you are agreeing.

  • Comment 151, posted at 05.08.15 16:13:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 140) :

    Which form player is it that you’re not happy about?

  • Comment 152, posted at 05.08.15 16:13:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 152) :

    It cant possibly be Lambie – he didnt play enough SR to be considered in form or out of form.

  • Comment 153, posted at 05.08.15 16:15:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 152) :
    1.
    2.
    3.
    4.
    5. Franco Mostert
    6. Jaco Kriel
    7.
    8.
    9. Faf de Klerk
    10. Elton Jantjies
    11. Francois Hougaard
    12.
    13.
    14. Ruan Combrink
    15. Cheslin Kolbe

    None of those players have even been given a chance to prove themselves.

  • Comment 154, posted at 05.08.15 16:16:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 150) :

    Christ mate, I’m very concerned about how you view me. Well, not even me, more my on-screen moniker. Vin is feeling hurt that you didnt like his joke.

    As it goes, very often all you need to do is (virtually) open your mouth and we get the same impresison.

  • Comment 155, posted at 05.08.15 16:16:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 153) : I don’t see Lambie on his list, please point out his name for me?

  • Comment 156, posted at 05.08.15 16:16:52 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 146) : Bakkies retired. De Allende and Kriel were given fair chances about 240min each and they are both starting again. Koch was given 40min against Barbarians and bout 10min against NZ and get a start again. Whiteley was given bout 50min against the Barbarians and 30min against NZ and did what was expected but dropped soon after. What about other players?

  • Comment 157, posted at 05.08.15 16:17:06 by Mutley Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 147) : Pretty ironic coming from someone supporting a team with Dimitri at flyhalf.

  • Comment 158, posted at 05.08.15 16:17:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 155) : What’s the point of making an argument if you don’t want the other person to at least respect it. By making stupid comments you lose the ability to make a an argument that deserves any kind of consideration. At which point why continue?

  • Comment 159, posted at 05.08.15 16:18:47 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 154) :

    So you wanty to send a team to the WC with 5 new caps and 2 guys that havent been able to cut it previously.
    Add in the likes of Malherbe, Koch, PSdT, de Allende and Kriel.

    And these guys would all be blooded in 3 games before the WC.

    You’re a genius Sir. Why didnt the rest of us think of this?
    Why not pick a new matchday 22 every year.

  • Comment 160, posted at 05.08.15 16:18:49 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 159) :

    Tell me – why do you continue?

  • Comment 161, posted at 05.08.15 16:19:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 160) : So the two games we have left aren’t happening, where they cancelled, did I miss an announcement? But I agree with you some what, this should have been done before this year, but Meyer spent the last 3 years saying he cares about winning to the World cup…..

  • Comment 162, posted at 05.08.15 16:20:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 146) : I seriously doubt that anyone other than Jean would have played 12 had he not been injured. Do we now have to wait for Pollard to get injured before Lambie will get another shot at his best position (which is 10 in my opinion)?

  • Comment 163, posted at 05.08.15 16:21:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 158) :

    I support the GnG, irrespective of whose wearing the jersey.

    As for Lambie versus the Cat… neither are the best and both have flaws.

  • Comment 164, posted at 05.08.15 16:21:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 161) : Because I want to offer a counter argument with substance to it, which I believe I am doing….

  • Comment 165, posted at 05.08.15 16:21:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I cant even express my relief when I saw that M Steyn was out the 23…..magic! So happy that Brussow and Marcell at 6 and 7…..and Schalk obviously now seen as a real 8 option should Duanne not make the WC….
    Only negatives for me are the JDV selection….I truly feel he is long past his best and would have retained the De Allende Kriel combination.

    Lambie non selection is a clear indication that Heyneke has settled on Pollard . Looking forward to my Durbs trip now….hope PSDT gets a full half and cant wait to see Koch get his run on start!

  • Comment 166, posted at 05.08.15 16:22:03 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 154) : So of all those Lions you named there…where were they when the Lions were losing week on week? Those perforamces in those games is why no shot. and Kolbe was used as a speed bump by New Zealanders thats why not.

  • Comment 167, posted at 05.08.15 16:22:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 162) :

    Well, the over emphasis on the WC is a bugbear for me.

    But you play the hands you’re dealt.
    Cant expect to change half the side now.
    Rugby at this level is about the small margins and those are developed, they arent based on form.

  • Comment 168, posted at 05.08.15 16:22:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 160) : The World cup is only bout 6 weeks long. Form is very important. You cant take 15 players with 100 caps each but non of them are in form, you also cant take a young inexperienced team. You need an experienced form team. The thing is Meyer hardly ever in his 4 years selected form players and now he is suddenly trying it. He should have started building on his team 4 years ago but he waited too long. He selected players that he knows and trusted which is understandable at first but he never evolved and developed new players. He kept selected the same players week in and week out and only gave another player a shot due to injury.

  • Comment 169, posted at 05.08.15 16:23:35 by Mutley Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 164) : Cat is a M Steyn lite…..

  • Comment 170, posted at 05.08.15 16:24:07 by grant10 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 167) :

    Yeah, I like Kolbe, but even i think he’s not quite up to the top internaitonal level.
    If he was playing for Wales or a similar minnow then i’d give him a shot. But not in size-obsessed SA.

  • Comment 171, posted at 05.08.15 16:24:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 167) : Do you not understand the definition of form? Do you want me to explain?

    @VinChainSaw (Comment 168) : The World cup is the only chance left for him to win a single thing….

  • Comment 172, posted at 05.08.15 16:24:52 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 170) :

    Look – I didnt say he was my top pick – i said he was better suited to the Bok game than Lambie.
    And probably a better player too…

  • Comment 173, posted at 05.08.15 16:25:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 169) :

    Well mate, the one not in forma here is PAt Lambie. And he seems to be the only bugbear most on here have…

    Tell me who is not in form? Again, as an impartial observer, if you were only going on form, then not a single Sharks player would be there, bar maybe Bismarck.

  • Comment 174, posted at 05.08.15 16:26:15 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 169) :

    Who is it you are referring to?

    He’s brought in Willie, Kriel, de Allende, Pollard, Coetsee, Koch, Malherbe.

    Thats half a team of lighties.

  • Comment 175, posted at 05.08.15 16:27:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 167) : Since the Lions returned from Super Rugby in 2014 they won 16 of their 32 games and draw 2 games. Including winning 9 games this year and 3 games in NZ. Ackerman is developing his team. Last year he started with the tried and trusted and slowly introduced new players into the mix to gain experience. He developed his players and rewards form. He started from nothing and worked his way up taking rejects from other unions and developing players.

  • Comment 176, posted at 05.08.15 16:28:03 by Mutley Reply
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  • Nothing Meyer does surprise me,this is the guy who gave Spies 50 caps,who handed out caps to Greyling Potgieter,the blond Potgieter,the tarzan looking Potgieter,stuck with filthy Flippie thru thick and thin,persisted ad naseum with Zane,played Houghaard in every position he could,and still hasn’t given up on Morne,gave that rubbish Bulls centre pairing so many chances.
    His choices have been so bad that afterfour years he still he has 11 of Jakes squad in his team.Who ever takes over has to be better even Alistar Coetzee,No on second thoughts maybe not.

  • Comment 177, posted at 05.08.15 16:28:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 174) :13. Jean de Villiers (Captain), 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Handre Pollard, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 6. Heinrich Brussow

    Replacements: 16. Adriaan Strauss, 17. Trevor Nyakane, 18. Marcel van der Merwe, 19. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20. Siya Kolisi, 21. Cobus Reinach, 22. Patrick Lambie, 23. Lwazi Mvovo.

    Players not on form. Or just back from injury so unknown.

  • Comment 178, posted at 05.08.15 16:28:51 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 141) : And you have heard me talking about it when?

  • Comment 179, posted at 05.08.15 16:29:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I have to drive home, this has been fun :twisted:

  • Comment 180, posted at 05.08.15 16:29:38 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 177) :

    Meyer did not give Spies 50 Bok caps, he gave him very few.
    Those were mostly given by your hero JW.

  • Comment 181, posted at 05.08.15 16:29:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 178) :

    Most of those are going to be reserve players, so Meyer building depth in a nothing game against Argentina.

    Youd rather he plays his first team and we lose another player ro two before the WC?

  • Comment 182, posted at 05.08.15 16:32:03 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 179) :

    Today?

  • Comment 183, posted at 05.08.15 16:32:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 174) : Dude I am not a Sharks supporter and to me the only 2 Sharks on form is Bismark and Marcell Coetzee. Beast is not, Pienaar is not, Pollard is not, De Villiers is not, Habana is not, Willie is not. So you have 5 players that are not in form and if Matfield, Louw and Peterson were fit you would have had 8, so the other players need to carry these out of form players?

  • Comment 184, posted at 05.08.15 16:32:39 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 184) :

    Ref: @VinChainSaw (Comment 182) :

  • Comment 185, posted at 05.08.15 16:34:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 181) : Get over yourself hero,Spies never featured in Jake’s W.C team because he had a life threatening lung disease,read what you want into that.It soon miraculously cleared up however and Meyer went on record as saying Spies was the first name he would always pencil in on his team sheet,just because of the sheer magnificence of his physic

    I understand why you hate Lambie,because its been such a bloody long time since you had a flyhalf in Province,that you find it hard to know how to rate one.

  • Comment 186, posted at 05.08.15 16:45:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 186) : Miraculously disappear lung disease, common side effect of Vitamin S.

  • Comment 187, posted at 05.08.15 16:46:51 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 185) : Well Meyers First XV will most likely be
    1. Beast (Out of form)
    2. Bismark
    3. Jannie (Out of form but regaining)
    4. Etsebeth
    5. Victor (Out of form)
    6. Louw (Out of form)
    7. Alberts (Returning from injury)
    8. Vermeulen (Returning from injury)
    9. Du Preez/Pienaar (returning from injury/Our of form)
    10. Pollard (Out of Form)
    11. Habana (Out of form)
    12. De Allende
    13. De Villiers (Returning from injury)
    14. Peterson (Out of form)
    15. Willie (Out of form)

  • Comment 188, posted at 05.08.15 16:47:20 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 188) : Very accurate imo.

  • Comment 189, posted at 05.08.15 16:49:59 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 186) :

    You understand wrong.

    I dislike Lambie because i dont think he’s all that good.

  • Comment 190, posted at 05.08.15 16:53:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Time to go home. We will continue our discussions later guys ;-)

  • Comment 191, posted at 05.08.15 16:54:40 by Mutley Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 164) : I never said Lambie is the best, but I want him to at least get a shot to prove his worth. I support the black and white first. Green and gold come second in my book, even more so with Heyneke at the helm.

  • Comment 192, posted at 05.08.15 16:55:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 173) : Nope….cant agree….Lambie is far more complete….chalk and cheese….

  • Comment 193, posted at 05.08.15 16:57:53 by grant10 Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 173) : @grant10 (Comment 193) : Who now?

  • Comment 194, posted at 05.08.15 16:59:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 188) :

    You have your opinion i suppose.

    What i would say is as follows:

    The two front-rowers in your side are out of form, but HM has selected two much younger props who ar ein fantastic form. Perhaps you’re harking back to the Guthro and Coenie days.
    Flouw made the Premiership dream team in March this year. And the WC is being played in England. Duriong the regular season he was in amazing form. But then lets not get bogged down in facts.

    Vic – 100% agreed. But i think Lood will be starting towards the business end and Vic’s inclusion is as much tactially and to share lineout prowess as anythign else.

    I dont see Alberts nailing a startiong position. Just dont see it happening. Thor will be fine and we have Schalk and Whiteley (both in prodigious form) to cover.

    Pienaar – have never been a fan. Not really a fan of du Preez either.

    Pollard – no worse wvein of form than Lambie, who also sat out most of this seaosn with injury. I’d have taken the Cat along, just for the kicking (a MS replacement, if you will).

    De Villiers – this is an experiment to see if he still has the pace. If it doesnt work expect to see Kriel there.

    Peterson – dont see it happening for him if he doesnt gain form. Think it’ll be Hendricks.

    Willie – dunno how you can say he’s out of form. He’s a high risk player – sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesnt.

    Habana – class if forever. He’ll step up when we need him.

    I dont think things are as bad as you make out.

  • Comment 195, posted at 05.08.15 17:00:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 177) : careful what you wish for

  • Comment 196, posted at 05.08.15 17:00:52 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 192) :

    Dude – Lambie has 42 caps.
    If he hasnt proved himself yet he never will.

    So many opportuniities and he still hasnt nailed it down.

  • Comment 197, posted at 05.08.15 17:02:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 194) :

    The Cat.

    If we’re playing the traditional Bok game, there is none better than a guy who has a 90%+ kicking success rate.

  • Comment 198, posted at 05.08.15 17:03:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 195) : “De Villiers – this is an experiment to see if he still has the pace. If it doesnt work expect to see Kriel there.”

    He is captaining the side. Why make him captain if it’s only an “expirement”, surely they can use a stopwatch to see if he still has the pace. :roll:

  • Comment 199, posted at 05.08.15 17:03:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 193) :

    Complete doesnt win you games. It might look good on a poster though.

  • Comment 200, posted at 05.08.15 17:04:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 195) : “Class is forever” is the most crinje worth untrue lines ever you get worse with age that is just fact.

  • Comment 201, posted at 05.08.15 17:05:03 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 197) : Come on mate. Surely you know what I mean. He needs to prove his form.

  • Comment 202, posted at 05.08.15 17:05:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 183) : So once today equates to “it’s still all you can talk about.” Straws, but I guess you are having a ball here today. :razz: :twisted:

  • Comment 203, posted at 05.08.15 17:05:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 199) :

    Who would you have?

    Youre also jumping to conclusions, where there perhaps arent any.

  • Comment 204, posted at 05.08.15 17:06:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 203) :

    I am having a bit of fun.

    You brought up Lambie’s handoff, to be fair.
    Funny how you couldnt find anythign after that…

  • Comment 205, posted at 05.08.15 17:07:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 198) : You really think a traditional Bok game plan will win us the world cup?

  • Comment 206, posted at 05.08.15 17:07:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 202) :

    Did you mean to say Lambie needs to prove his form?

  • Comment 207, posted at 05.08.15 17:08:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 206) :

    Mate – I dont in any way believe we’ll win the world cup, irrespective of what game plan we employ.
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but we’re gonna get schooled in a few months.

  • Comment 208, posted at 05.08.15 17:09:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 204) : Who would I have as captain? Probably Schalk as he has a better chance of playing in the world cup.

  • Comment 209, posted at 05.08.15 17:09:20 by Ben Reply
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  • Hahaha if you think Matfield and and De Villiers won’t start every game they are fit for regardless of form, then you really are naive.

  • Comment 210, posted at 05.08.15 17:10:04 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 210) :

    I dont.

    Care to place a wager?

  • Comment 211, posted at 05.08.15 17:10:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 209) :

    I dont like Schalk as captain.
    Im a big fan, but i dont want him deciding if we go for the lineout or the posts. He’s proven time after time that he over-estimates his packs ability to score the try.

  • Comment 212, posted at 05.08.15 17:11:46 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 207) : Yes, he needs to prove that he is in good enough form. What will we do if Pollard gets injured in the final pool game? Throw Lambie into the deep end?

  • Comment 213, posted at 05.08.15 17:12:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 213) :

    ITs all too late anyway.

    You have two flyhalves, both bit out of form, both lacking in game time.

    Do you try to get both up to speed by splitting the (little) game time left, or do you give the better player all the game time and cross your fingers.

    Option 1 is inevitably a disaster as both players will be under-cooked.
    Option 2 could possibly be a disaster, but at least you’re rolling the dice and taking the risk.

    No prizes for second place.

  • Comment 214, posted at 05.08.15 17:15:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 208) : I agree, 100%

  • Comment 215, posted at 05.08.15 17:15:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 211) : Happily.

  • Comment 216, posted at 05.08.15 17:16:54 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 214) :

    End of the day, Pollard has been deemed to be the better player and the coach is getting behind him 100% and giving himself the best chance to get into form and win the whole damn thing.

    If Pollard gets injured, c’est la vie.
    Hedging your bets almost never works in professional sports.

  • Comment 217, posted at 05.08.15 17:17:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I’ll also put one on isn’t winning the world cup.

  • Comment 218, posted at 05.08.15 17:17:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 215) :

    Its sad eh.

    Watch the English this WC btw…

  • Comment 219, posted at 05.08.15 17:18:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 214) : How much time did Lambie have at 10 in the last 2 games? I think it was 1 minute when Pollard went off for a concussion test.

  • Comment 220, posted at 05.08.15 17:19:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 218) :

    I need to check the draw to see the permutations.

    This will most likely be the closest WC in history.
    I’m also not too sure the kiwis will win this one.

  • Comment 221, posted at 05.08.15 17:19:58 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 220) :

    Rightly so in my mind.
    How much rugby did Lambie play in SR this year?

  • Comment 222, posted at 05.08.15 17:20:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 221) : Neither am I, but they have more chance than us. My money is on a NH team.

  • Comment 223, posted at 05.08.15 17:20:51 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 216) :

    Go on then. What you wanna bet?

    Just so we’re clear – you’re saying MAtfield and de Villiers will start every game at the WC unless injured?
    Is that right?

  • Comment 224, posted at 05.08.15 17:21:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 217) : you are 100% correct…it is crystal clear that Pollard is the Chosen One….Lambie is seen as quality utility cover , but not a starter….that is clear .

  • Comment 225, posted at 05.08.15 17:22:15 by grant10 Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 214) : “You have two flyhalves, both bit out of form, both lacking in game time.”

    I can’t really see how you say that Pollard lacks game time. He played most of the Super Rugby season and was pretty mediocre, plus he played in the first 2 games, both games for almost 80 minutes at 10.

  • Comment 226, posted at 05.08.15 17:22:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 223) :

    Agreed.

    The Welsh or the English.

  • Comment 227, posted at 05.08.15 17:23:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 224) : Haha besides pride there is not exactly anything tangible we can bet, u less you want to give me your credit card details? ;) Yup that’s exactly it.

  • Comment 228, posted at 05.08.15 17:23:47 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 222) : Then release the guy to go and play for the Sharks and prove himself that way. I would be satisfied with that.

  • Comment 229, posted at 05.08.15 17:23:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 226) :

    And Lambie played none of that.

    Hence, my point, Sir.

  • Comment 230, posted at 05.08.15 17:23:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Alberts, Lambie, Reinach, Matfield et al will have to travel to Argentina…..Heyneke will put most of his strarting 15 on ice for the last match and not make them travel.

  • Comment 231, posted at 05.08.15 17:24:23 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 229) :

    Play where? In CC warmup games a few weeks before they leave for the WC?
    Thats a little bit crazy mate…

    Ther eis also still this little thing about squads, tactics, set backline moves, etc.
    And somebody has to clean Pollard’s boots.

  • Comment 232, posted at 05.08.15 17:24:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Personally I have no issues with Pollard or Lambie starting….JUST NOT M STEYN!!!

  • Comment 233, posted at 05.08.15 17:25:41 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 231) :

    Exactly dude.

  • Comment 234, posted at 05.08.15 17:26:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 219) : I honestly can’t see anyone beating the All Blacks. My money is on them.

  • Comment 235, posted at 05.08.15 17:26:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 235) :

    Not up north mate.
    They wont get the latitude from the refs up there. Remember Cardiff 2007?

    Granted, on form there’s nobody like them.
    But WC’s are different beasts. And I suspect we’ll be seeing marginal calls goign the way of the home sides.

    I could obviously be wrong, but if they win it, i think itll be by the smallest of margins.

    I mean they juts beat us with the tightest of margins, after a few calls went their way.
    There is simply no way McCaw and co will get away with slowing the ball down in England the way they do in the SH.

  • Comment 236, posted at 05.08.15 17:27:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 232) : Currie Cup starts this weekend mate. I’d rather have him playing 80 minutes against the Pumas at 10 then having him play 20 minutes at 15 for the Boks.

  • Comment 237, posted at 05.08.15 17:29:58 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 236) : I hear you. Let’s see what happens.

  • Comment 238, posted at 05.08.15 17:31:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 237) :

    I suppose so.
    But what if he gets hurt again? Then we really are looking at Morne Steyn as the benchwarmer. And that scares the bejeesus out of me.

  • Comment 239, posted at 05.08.15 17:32:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Why bother with all this? Boks wont make it past the semis.

  • Comment 240, posted at 05.08.15 17:32:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 238) :

    I reckon its gonna be a very good WC.

    That reminds me – i should get hold of Rob and arrange some WC drinks!

  • Comment 241, posted at 05.08.15 17:33:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 232) : “And somebody has to clean Pollard’s boots.”

    The Cat would be eager. Closest he’ll ever get to a Bok team. :twisted:

  • Comment 242, posted at 05.08.15 17:33:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 240) :

    Haha, depends if we lose a game in the pool lol.

  • Comment 243, posted at 05.08.15 17:33:58 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 239) : You and me both! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 244, posted at 05.08.15 17:35:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 242) :

    For a nation that held Naas in such lofty esteem (along with Steyn), i find his absense (and lack of media support) slightly puzzling.

    Youd think the Bok coaches and media would be all over him!

  • Comment 245, posted at 05.08.15 17:35:19 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 241) : Are you planning on attending any of the games, mate?

  • Comment 246, posted at 05.08.15 17:36:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 245) : He’s playing for the wrong union mate. That’s all.

  • Comment 247, posted at 05.08.15 17:37:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 245) : @Ben (Comment 247) : If he was plying his trade at Moftus, Heyneke and Supersport would have been all over him.

  • Comment 248, posted at 05.08.15 17:39:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 248) : Speakers blurring with Liefling. Drives me insane! :roll:

  • Comment 249, posted at 05.08.15 17:40:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 246) :

    Yeah, got tickts for USA and Scotland.

    I thought i had tickets for Samoa too, but that now doesnt seem to be the case. I think maybe somebody offered them to me and i didnt ge tin the ballot.

  • Comment 250, posted at 05.08.15 17:41:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 247) :

    Thats veeeery true. But then i dont think he could speak the code they use at moftus.

  • Comment 251, posted at 05.08.15 17:42:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 246) :

    You got any?

  • Comment 252, posted at 05.08.15 17:42:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 252) : The ticket I would need is a plane ticket. :(

  • Comment 253, posted at 05.08.15 17:43:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 253) : Ah, just remembered, I do have a plane ticket for that period. Going to the Philippines in October. Wrong direction unfortunately. :)

  • Comment 254, posted at 05.08.15 17:44:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 251) : You’re probably right.

  • Comment 255, posted at 05.08.15 17:45:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 254) :

    Where abouts in the philippines?
    Diving?

  • Comment 256, posted at 05.08.15 17:55:19 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 256) : General Santos. Don’t do diving mate. Going to go visit my girlfriend’s family. She’s from the Philippines.

  • Comment 257, posted at 05.08.15 17:57:18 by Ben Reply
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  • Would love to see a Bok side with Lambie at 15, Willie at 11 and Pollard at 10. Also, I’m not too fond of Meyer anymore. Can someone please tell me who I should be arguing with?

  • Comment 258, posted at 05.08.15 17:57:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 240) : Or even to the semi’s for that matter unless some awful luck has them facing each other early it will be aus nz England and maybe Wales or ireland in the knockouts or even a sneaky from France. But sa? ….just don’t see it.

  • Comment 259, posted at 05.08.15 18:35:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 258) : Currently the only Meyer fan boy here is Vin. ..he has the lunch tin the sticker book and ” I will always love you” tribute cd. .. .

  • Comment 260, posted at 05.08.15 18:38:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • If I should stay…yet will be no cup no waaaaayyy…so IL go but I know…..Ek vat vir handretjie saam my y y. And I I I I will always bluff yoooooo….ooh. I’ll always bluff yoooooo ooh.

  • Comment 261, posted at 05.08.15 18:42:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I thought I’d have no interest in the CC this year….however, having read through this team sheet vs. that of the Sharks, I know which game has my attention this weekend, and it ain’t the green and gold. ;-)

  • Comment 262, posted at 05.08.15 18:52:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 163) : Yes, unfortunately, and even then it isn’t guaranteed.

  • Comment 263, posted at 05.08.15 21:25:00 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 169) : sigh!

  • Comment 264, posted at 05.08.15 21:30:41 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 235) : Really, we hammered them for a good 70 minutes. Injuries and some calls went against us. Us Saffa’s are such a negative lot actually. We are right up there with the AB’s and Wallabies. We have as good chance as any to win the WC.

  • Comment 265, posted at 05.08.15 21:45:03 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 240) : Pfffft! Such a ray of sunlight.

  • Comment 266, posted at 05.08.15 21:46:08 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 262) : That is no loss. Fair weather supporters are the worst! I will support the Boks every day, no matter what!

  • Comment 267, posted at 05.08.15 21:48:11 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : Wow! OK…

  • Comment 268, posted at 05.08.15 22:54:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : I can’t say I agree with you. In which way has Lambie not nailed down the flyhalf position at the Sharks…under which coaches? Of course he has not nailed the spot with the Boks. It just surprises me that, though he had a good end of year tour and was picked as the no. 1 by plenty of pundits including Naas at that stage…and had a very good start in SR in an otherwise average Sharks side…that he is not given a chance at all with the Boks in the run up to the world cup. I have always said that we have two good flyhalves in Lambie and Pollard and I’m glad we have them both. Pollard is not a bad option at all…though some aspects of his play (missed tackles and missed kicks) have been concerning in the first three games of the season.

  • Comment 269, posted at 05.08.15 23:01:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 50) : That comment I can live with…I don’t fully agree with you, but this comment is more sensible than the previous one I objected to above…

  • Comment 270, posted at 05.08.15 23:10:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 55) : Of course in those games Lambie also outperformed what Pollard offered against Ireland. I guess I just don’t understand what exactly the reason is that HM seems to have changed his mind about Lambie vs end of year tour last year….

  • Comment 271, posted at 05.08.15 23:13:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 266) :
    Aaaw no! And everyone knows how much I value your opinion! :sad:

  • Comment 272, posted at 05.08.15 23:16:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 174) : Wow…an Marcell? Surely?

  • Comment 273, posted at 05.08.15 23:17:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 267) : So will I…even if I disagree with the coach on some calls.

  • Comment 274, posted at 05.08.15 23:17:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 262) : It’s sad really that we have allowed the CC to be relegated to a dress rehearsal for supers and that we now sit with such a mismatch in teams for CC vs supers teams. I hope we can steer clear of injuries so the rebuild can actually get some traction. I still wonder why sa rugby has such a high rate. It must have something to do with how we take contact and possibly how we rehabilitate players.

  • Comment 275, posted at 06.08.15 06:07:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Im really not sure why there are Bok articles on here as the general theme in the comments is: Hyneke Meyer is useless and anyone on here could do better. If Lambie is not selected at 10 then the team is useless and wont win. Anyone with Bok caps from previous years are over the hill and should be cremated. Eventhough SA sides were horrible in super rugby, those guys are in form and must be chosen to beat international opponents now. I cant wait for this World Cup to be over and the next coach to be appointed and then slated for not picking guys as said above.

  • Comment 276, posted at 06.08.15 07:41:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I would love a Bok article where instead of moaning about who isnt there we talk about who is there and how they can possibly win us the game and the positives in the side.

  • Comment 277, posted at 06.08.15 07:42:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 267) : think most of us do!!!!!

  • Comment 278, posted at 06.08.15 07:47:36 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 277) : Maybe you should write one. Then read it. Then comment on it?

  • Comment 279, posted at 06.08.15 07:55:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 269) : I am not apportioning the blame on Lambie as such. I have hardly ever seen him be anything but consistent. It just seems that many coaches have seen fit to move him around, instead of backing him at 10.

  • Comment 280, posted at 06.08.15 07:59:14 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 271) : I think it is more the injuries and limited time HM has had to get the team nailed down that caused a lot of problems. Lambie has only recently returned to fitness. HM made the call to back Pollard in that time. And I do think he does rate Lambie highly. He just wants the backline that he feels is the one that will get to the knock out phases to play together as much as possible.

  • Comment 281, posted at 06.08.15 08:05:03 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 277) : Well how about you steer it in another direction. Let’s talk about Kriel on wing and de Villiers back in with almost no real game time. Heineke’s plan for two fullbacks seems like a thin excuse to get Jean back in. I would rather have seen Jesse stay where he is Willie on wing and give Jean the full second half. Then he could also have given Pat time on field. To be honest Jean doesn’t need a full game now and possibly not in future either.

  • Comment 282, posted at 06.08.15 08:08:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 275) : Which teams do you see as “super” teams in the CC?
    Read an article on how many players that played S15 for the Lions aren’t available. Think they are also shy 9 players that played in their Super Rugby team. Some returned to the Pumas, some have gone overseas, and some with the boks.

  • Comment 283, posted at 06.08.15 08:08:30 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 283) : Hence my comment on the mismatches. Especially teams who have specialist positions covered by guys who aren’t here for both. Say hooker or pivots play then play with with one set in curry cup and a different set in supers. I know it’s the modern Era but how much real continuity can a club expect in this new world? Even the Lions honeymoon is now over and they will have to play this half a team strategy.

  • Comment 284, posted at 06.08.15 08:31:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 283) : Don’t under super teams? I do however attribute the success of smaller unions like gkw pumas and kings in the early season to the adjustment period the bigger unions are faced with every cc start. Since we aren’t getting away from that. There should be a better pre season schedule for our cc players to get over that hump.

  • Comment 285, posted at 06.08.15 08:34:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 282) : I dont think Jean will play a full game…as you mentioned i think Kriel in and LeRoux to wing with Lambie at 15 will happen in 2nd half. Yes JDV has been out badly injured but like it or not he is Meyers choice as Bok captain…so id rather see him play now and get back into it than sit out till World Cup starts. DeAllende and Kriel have been good but JDV is a good defensive leader in that position and with the Kids either side of him it could work well. I dont think any wings have really put up their hands and id rather see the same team with LeRoux at wing instead of Habana and Lambie at 15. Now that would be an exciting combo. Our backline has also looked better with a more linking 8 like Schalk than Vermuelen who takes the ball into contact mostly. Vermuelen should play 7 at RWC if fit and we should forget Alberts…can use PSDT at 7 if needed.

  • Comment 286, posted at 06.08.15 08:41:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 286) : Hope those replacements happen in the second half. That could be really exciting to watch.

  • Comment 287, posted at 06.08.15 09:48:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 287) : From the team selection and Meyer saying Lambie will get time at 15 it appears that they will. However as we know injuries and a possible tight game may change things up. Weather forecast for Sat is good, altho is risky business trusting weathermen. I will be in the stands so hoping for a good performance…i hope Arg play well as we need another good test.

  • Comment 288, posted at 06.08.15 09:59:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 288) : Enjoy!

  • Comment 289, posted at 06.08.15 10:01:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 267) : mr tabloid commentator….where did I ever say I won’t be supporting the Boks this weekend….don’t be so motivated by your blind hate for everything that I say that you blatantly miss my point every time.

  • Comment 290, posted at 06.08.15 10:25:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 286) : Would be good if they do make the 2nd half changes you’re talking about. With regards to your comment that no wings have put their hands up, what about Ruan Combrinck? I’d say he had a pretty decent season so far!
    It’s more likely that Schalk will move back to flank when Duane is fit again. But yes I agree that HM should forget about Alberts for this WC

  • Comment 291, posted at 06.08.15 10:40:58 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 273) :

    Yeah, true, dont know how i missed that!

  • Comment 292, posted at 06.08.15 10:42:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 1) :

    Agreed! Lambie should DEFINITELY be starting at 10. When is he ever going to get enough game time! HM is blinded by the blue! It makes me feel sick to the stomach to have to see Lanbie (QUALITY) ON THE BENCH AGAIN!

  • Comment 293, posted at 06.08.15 11:02:19 by Den Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 8) :

    I AGREE FULLY! HM IS TRUE BLUE!

  • Comment 294, posted at 06.08.15 11:06:09 by Den Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 16) :

    HEAR HEAR!

  • Comment 295, posted at 06.08.15 11:09:42 by Den Reply

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  • @Leeubok (Comment 291) : I would def agree about Combrinck…i thought he adds a lot of value almost like a Frans Steyn would. I would assume that Meyer prefers the wings in the system already and possibly has concerns over Combrincks speed. Will be interesting to see how Combrinck goes in the CC at 15

  • Comment 296, posted at 06.08.15 11:11:28 by SheldonK Reply

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    AGREE!

  • Comment 297, posted at 06.08.15 11:13:45 by Den Reply

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  • @Den (Comment 294) : Do u mean WP blue? as there are 2 Bulls in the starting side but 5 WP players

  • Comment 298, posted at 06.08.15 11:14:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 296) : Combrinck has tons of speed, some of his runs in the super rugby this year it showed! You just sometimes wonder, had he been a bulls player, would he still be overlooked? You can’t really use the experience excuse for not selecting someone like him, when the likes of kriel, koch etc got call ups. And not to mention jaco Kriel…
    But it’s all good. I think all these young up and coming players will get their chance next year. I suppose it doesn’t make sense trying to build a completely new bok team right before the WC. But still, some of HM’s selections are baffling.. :???:

  • Comment 299, posted at 06.08.15 11:36:39 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @Leeubok (Comment 299) : I think Combrinck lost out on who was in the system already, same goes for Jaco Kriel.
    Habana, Pieterson, Hendricks, Mvovo as well as LeRoux and DeAllende being able to play wing means Combrinck would be surplus to requirements. Same when you think Jaco Kriel has Vermuelen, Burger, Coetzee, Whitely, Kolisi, Mahoje, Brussouw, Alberts, Louw all in the system

  • Comment 300, posted at 06.08.15 11:45:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 298) : No Bud, It just makes the rationale easier lol. You have to blame something or someone if the selections don’t meet with your approval. So in this case HM having coached the Bulls team is blinded by Blue Bulls Blue. That is why he selected Goosen over Morne Steyn. That is why Pollard got selected over Lambie. That is why HM also selected Gantries over Lambie at one stage. Because somewhere they played for the Bulls, or are going to if Meyer has his way.
    And that is why HM must fail!! Even if these agents of change have no ready replacement. As I have said before. Prior to Coenie moving to the Sharks, he was useless and la die la. Watch him being praised to high heaven soon. Ditto Willie, and the new darling “The Ginga Ninja”

    That is a great signing for you guys. He was the form 8th man in the SA Conference two years ago.

  • Comment 301, posted at 06.08.15 11:45:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Heard HM mention Frans Teens versatility this morning. I wonder if he has plans for him in game 2

  • Comment 302, posted at 06.08.15 13:28:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 302) : Steyn that is

  • Comment 303, posted at 06.08.15 13:28:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 303) : Frans is dealing with some terrible shit at the moment and doubt that rugby is the thing foremost on his mind.
    You obviously haven’t heard of his brother’s apparent suicide,

  • Comment 304, posted at 06.08.15 13:36:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 304) : No. I thought he was just on the recovery list. So has he withdrawn? Oh man poor guy.

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