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Deysel returns to Sharks starting lineup


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 13 Aug 2015 at 10:33
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Gary Gold has named his team to face the EP Kings at Kings Park in Saturday’s Currie Cup clash, with injury necessitating wholesale changes to his pack.

Jean Deysel will wear in the number 6 jersey this week, in place of the injured Khaya Majola, with Daniel du Preez replacing injured twin Jean-Luc on the other flank. Front row changes, necessaited by injury, see Thomas du Toit start at tighthead and Juan Schoeman earn a first Currie Cup start on the other side of the scrum.

Gold has kept faith in the halfbacks and midfield that perhaps struggled a little in Nelspruit, but has been forced to make a change at right wing, where Odwa Ndungane has been included for the injured S’bura Sithole.

Sharks fans will be pleased to see Paul Jordaan included on the bench – along with former Bulls age-group prop Gerhard Engelbrecht, he’s the only newcomer to the substitutes this week.

Sharks: 15 Joe Pietersen , 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Wandile Mjekevu, 12 Heimar Williams, 11 Andre Esterhuizen, 10 Lionel Cronje, 9 Stefan Ungerer, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Daniel du Preez, 6 Jean Deysel, 5 Marco Wentzel (Captain), 4 Etienne Oosthuizen, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Monde Hadebe, 1 Juan Schoeman.
Replacements: 16 Franco Marais, 17 Gerhard Engelbrecht, 18 Dave McDuling , 19 Francois Kleinhans, 22 Michael Claassens, 21 Paul Jordaan, 22 SP Marais.



82 Comments

  • Eish Gold when are you going to learn??

    Esterhuizen is a 12,
    Oosthuizen is shockingly poor,
    Wandile is better suited to wing and has poor hands,
    Marais is in far better form than Monde and finds his jumpers better,
    Surely we have other options at 4 ??

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.08.15 10:40:04 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Lekker to see Jordaan back! Welcome back Tollie!
    Come on guys! Less errors, keep with the basics and smash them with 4 tries or more. We can do this.
    Also, good to see Deysel back. :smile:

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.08.15 10:41:37 by Another Nick Reply

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  • I would seriously prefer Esterhuizen at 12 or 13, Heimer is a tad faster so probably better to have him at 13, Hopefully Jordaan comes through a good 20 minutes or so from the bench.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.08.15 10:43:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Yeah great to have Deysel and Paul back, lets hope Deysel keeps the discipline,

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.08.15 10:45:09 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Would have liked to see McDuling over Oosthuizen. Also think Odwa is to old and slow for wing. Other than that not bad.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.08.15 10:46:45 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I can understand why Gold has gone with this lineup. But if im honest im not overly excited bout this team make up. I will give guys the benefit of the doubt as everyone should get a second chance BUT if Hadebe still cant find his jumpers, Oosthuizen still cant hold onto the ball, Ungerer is still so slow and Mjekevu still star gazing then all need to be replaced by halftime at the lastest. Waiting till the 60th min and hoping for a miracle off the bench wont cut it.

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.08.15 10:47:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) :

    Speaking of Ungerer, the one thing I noticed from last week’s game (Only one thing as I was watching with half an eye):

    Every time the ball came out of a maul/scrum, the ref had to say ‘use it’ before Ungerer played the ball. When Claassens came on, it was a different story, the ref didn’t have to call ‘use-it’ once. What a difference that made to our game.

    I know we want to give the youngsters a chance and not fill the gap with an older player like Claassens, but as his name suggests, he is a class player.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.08.15 10:54:42 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : :mrgreen: :lol: excuse the Pun mr.

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.08.15 10:56:08 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : :mrgreen: Good one there! :lol:

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.08.15 10:58:54 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : I always thought of Ungerer as being able to clear the ruck a lot faster….what happened against the Pumas I couldn’t understand.

    Claasens was super crisp and fast with his service.

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.08.15 11:00:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) :

    Claassens made a huge difference, I think if he is to feed Lambie during the Super Rugby season we are bound to see some front foot ball. Let’s hope the backline can actually function and utilize it.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.08.15 11:03:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : Ungerer was not only slow, he was inaccurate to. Hope he does better this weekend, because you can’t expect the backs to do anything with the ball they received from him.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.08.15 11:05:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • First comment: Eish…injuries!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.08.15 11:06:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : I am a bit surprised not to see Claasens start this weekend…hopefully Ungerer took notes.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.08.15 11:08:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : Great backlines always have a scrumhalf with fast accurate service. Ungerer has been mostly disappointing this year.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.08.15 11:08:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Front row: I am very glad to see Thomas du Toit playing. When I saw him leave the field on Friday night I thought he was out for a while for sure! I am also glad to see these two young props, who did so well against the Lions, have a shot. I am not convinced that Hadebe will help them in the scrummaging department…and I darn well hope he has been PRACTICING HIS LINEOUT THROWING!!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.08.15 11:08:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : Claasens def made a huge impact as the ball was cleared away quickly and the Pumas werent given a chance to steal it- in that regard both Dan Dupreez and McDuling made the impact as well. As for Ungerer-i belive he can be a good player BUT for me he currently resembles the entire sharks side at the moment- a bit slow, a bit too inaccurate, not streetwise.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.08.15 11:09:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Locks: Oosthuizen gets another chance. Fair enough…he will have to pull up his socks though…

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.08.15 11:09:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Loosies: While I am happy to see Deysel back, I wonder about our pace to the ball. This trio doesn’t seem too balanced does it?

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.08.15 11:11:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 16) : I just can’t understand how the Sharks hookers struggle with the lineout. Case in point – Craig Burden. He is such a dynamic player, but always struggled to find his jumpers. One season at Toulon and he looks the complete player.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.08.15 11:11:14 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Halfbacks: Unchanged…fair enough. I know Claassens was much better and is probably the better player at this stage. But I like much of what Ungerer offers and if we are going to develop the boy, this is the competition in which to do it…so no complaints from me. Cronje…sure, why not?

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.08.15 11:13:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 13) : Yup. Imagine this team with Chadwick, Cooper, Majola and Sithole back.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.08.15 11:14:02 by war1 Reply
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  • This is a game we should win,its the kind of game where you start developing the team that is going to take you to the Currie Cup final and hopefully into Super rugby next year.
    We need to start giving our next generation as much game time together as possible.For that reason it is good to see Ungerer start ahead of Claasens
    .Odwa should also be benched and Esterhuzen needs to play at12,he has such great potential.
    Esterhuizen and Jordaan at 12,13 is such an exciting prospect.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.08.15 11:14:28 by The hound Reply
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  • Centres: I remain unconvinced about Mjekevu at 13…I would like to see what he offers on the wing. I like Heimar at 12…but hope Esterhuizen also actually gets to play there rather than being stuffed around on the wing…

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.08.15 11:14:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Outside backs: Pity about Sburra!

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.08.15 11:15:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 1) : Like who else at 4?

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.08.15 11:15:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 26) : Deysel.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.08.15 11:16:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : I hope to goodness the coaching staff and Claassens work with Ungerer on that aspect of his game…

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.08.15 11:18:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 27) : I’m not convinced…but maybe worth a try if Oosthuizen continues to be poor…

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.08.15 11:18:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Seeing Etienne Oosthuizen’s name makes me nauseous. :roll:

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.08.15 11:23:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 21) : I would say this game and maybe the next should be Ungerer’s last chance to improve. Last year’s CC we dragged SP along for the entire comp while Jaco V Tonder never got a run.

    And while Ungerer is struggling you can’t really judge the back line, because his poor service reflected on them. Once we have a decent scrummy (or ungerer improves) Heimar and Mjekevu should also be assessed.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.08.15 11:25:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 19) : Deysel at 4 solves both your concerns,start Kleinhans at 6 for a much more balanced loose trio,Dan can jump ,so can the ginger ninja.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.08.15 11:26:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 20) : Agreed. Surely it is not rocket science. Surely? What is up with that?

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.08.15 11:27:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 22) : Yup…though I was excited by what I saw of young Juan Schoemann, so am happy to see him get a chance!

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.08.15 11:29:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 30) : :shock:

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.08.15 11:30:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 32) : That is true. My concern with Deysel, though, is in the tight stuff…I am not convinced he does the basics of a number 4 well…and the scrums concern me more than the lineouts in that regard.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.08.15 11:31:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : I agree with almost 100% of your comment!! I agree with all your points…but would add that I am interested in seeing what Heimar offers as part of a trio of centres…

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.08.15 11:33:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 30) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.08.15 11:34:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) :
    @The hound (Comment 27) :

    In one comment you say we should give the youngsters a go and you are happy to see Ungerer start ahead of Claassens, yet after that you want to put an aged flanker in the second row to solve a problem, where playing Oosthuizen in one position for a few games might see him develop.

    Contradicting much?

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.08.15 11:35:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) : I sort of agree…and sort of not. Is two or three games enough for a young guy to really develop an aspect of his game? I don’t think so. The difference between this and your other example is that one of SP/Jaco wasn’t in his low 20′s while the other was well into his 30′s…so the development argument falls away. You have a point about the effect of Ungerer on the rest of the backline and he definitely needs to work on the “clearing from the base of the ruck” aspect of his game. But I would like to see him be given proper coaching and a chance to develop…

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.08.15 11:38:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 24) : Look at the kiwis with their monster wings…I think Esterhuizen could turn out to be a real force out on the wing. Wings very rarely receive the ball in space anymore, so his size and ability to bump players could open things up.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.08.15 11:40:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 39) : Deysel has played there before,I think Oosthuizen has had plenty of opportunity to develop,both at lock and on the side of the scrum,he hasn’t.
    My preference for 4 would be Dan ,but that thought falls on deaf ears here,
    I don’t think Deysel is washed up,he should be very fresh hardly played two games this year,and when he is on he is a machine.

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.08.15 11:43:39 by The hound Reply
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  • the Kings will be spoilers and without King Carlos their backline will depend entirely on Whitehead. last season their backline was lethal and they should have beaten Bulls at Loftus apart for Jesse Kriel heroics.

    Based on their preseason and game vs Lions, not much to be expected apart from trying to drag the Sharks down. I am sure if we keep to last 40 of quicker play, the Sharks will have an opportunity to run them of their feet. Ungerer an Cronje will be key imo

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.08.15 11:45:47 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : Fair enough point…I’m just not convinced yet…but I happy to wait and see…

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.08.15 11:47:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Ag hel kan ons tog net ‘n goeie wen kry asb – ‘n man verdien dit seker vir sy verjaardag. Sterkte manne.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.08.15 11:48:17 by Leon Schrenk Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 42) :

    My point is, you ask for development in one comment and use a stop gap in another. Deysel is no youngster and will not suddenly become a 4 lock for the Boks.

    With Oosthuizen you have to remember that he has been tried all over the place, not sure if he is a flank or lock, and now has the chance to prove to us that he is a class lock.

    If it doesn’t work, then we get another young lock in and try him for the second half of the competition. That’s what the Currie Cup is about nowadays, because winning it doesn’t translate into success in Super Rugby anyway, so why not use it purely for player development.

    Final word on this – I am not saying Oosthuizen is great, or was great this past weekend, he was shit and we all know it, but so was half the team and we don’t see comments asking for them to be dropped..

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.08.15 11:53:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Somewhat surprising for someone with a physique almost as impressive as mine (ahahahaha…), S’bura sure does seem to pick up a lot of injuries…

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.08.15 11:58:47 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 46) : Fine but the article is about Deysel’s return to the Sharks line up,and my comment was in connection with a query as to his pace and mobilty and aswellasto a query of who should play at 4 because that person and two others thought Ooosthuizen was not the answer.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.08.15 12:01:35 by The hound Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 46) : I would also like to see more of McDuling..

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.08.15 12:03:07 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 49) : I agree…just purely cos i want to hear the commentator call his name

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.08.15 12:51:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : Hah! Well that also, yes. :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.08.15 13:02:56 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Happy that there is continuity in the selections and hoping that we now see some improved performances.

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.08.15 13:14:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 47) : Does Sburra compare to you like PSdT compares to me? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.08.15 13:53:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 52) : Come on, men!

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.08.15 13:54:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • just don’t know about this backline he’s picking?!

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.08.15 14:28:36 by JD Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 3) : Wandi and Jordaan on wings esterhuizen and Williams on center if you need to replace Jordaan move Wandi to center bring in Odwa.

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.08.15 14:39:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 56) : Or bring in Sbura for Jordaan at halftime.

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.08.15 14:45:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 56) : But you had Jordaan on the wing…so why move Wandi to centre when Jordaan goes off? I’m confused… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.08.15 15:04:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 58) : so we can play with three centres and one wing…..duh! :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.08.15 15:50:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 59) : Ohhhh…I get it! Just excuse me and carry right on… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.08.15 16:17:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 59) : Exactly we keep it all in the center. Nah. Excuse my ramblings … I only skimmed and I’m typing while focussing on something else.

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.08.15 16:17:45 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I think I found my train. Wandi and Jordaan start as wings. You have to replace Jordaan so you move in Odwa that’s all. You have to replace Heimar you move Wandi to center and bring in Odwa to wing. Hmm my brain must have had beans all this farting. ..or its this Damn flu.

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.08.15 16:22:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 62) : Ditto…been in bed with flu all week…

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.08.15 16:25:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I hope we can just get some continuity going. Keep combinations going for at least a few games in a row. The guys need to gel! Then yhe talent can come through. Go Sharks!

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.08.15 17:19:46 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @T-Shark (Comment 64) : I hope that too…and just improved basics! It’s not too much to ask is it?

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.08.15 17:58:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 63) : Codeine. ….yummy. ..

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.08.15 18:47:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.08.15 18:52:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @T-Shark (Comment 64) : Wow our standards have dropped. Myself, I just want the forwards to show up. I’ll expand my wishlist after that. How can they disappoint us given these low expectations? And please Gary if you are reading this…the last sentence was rhetorical not a challenge. I’m tired of all these “records” we have been setting lately a bland victory will do just fine.

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.08.15 18:52:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 68) : Please…just a step in the right direction…

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.08.15 18:55:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 69) : You said it.

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.08.15 18:56:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 70) : It’s not too much to ask, is it?

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.08.15 19:02:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 71) : Well…..how many things are you asking? Complete your tackles, get the ball, hold on to the ball and run on the general direction of your opponents try line, if it’s not too much bother. Ja…look it may be one or two things too many. I would keep it simple …”try to suck LESS than the kings for 80 minutes”.

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.08.15 19:23:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 72) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.08.15 20:27:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 72) : I’ll be happy if we just do some of that slightly better than last week…

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.08.15 20:28:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 1) : if I ever coach, I will have a big 12 like a Frans Steyn or like Esterhuizen that can keep defenders busy and a quick 13 like a Juan de Jongh or a Paul Jordaan that can run lines and cut through defenders

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.08.15 20:45:27 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 75) : Add wings looking for work, a scrummie with lighting service and a proper ball player at fly. Hmm, 9 Rob Du Preez, 10 Lem, 11 Tony Watson, 12 Pieter Muller, 13 Adi Jacobs, 14 James Small, 15 Andre Joubert and Frans Steyn and Brent Russel as reserves.

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.08.15 22:51:45 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 76) : Hmm…Jeremy Thompson instead of Adi Jacobs…any day of the week…

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.08.15 23:06:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 77) : Aagh, yes forgot about him. I even considered Terblanche as he is personal hero, but Adi under Dick Muir was quite the X factor

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.08.15 05:26:42 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 75) : Exactly Pierre, that’s why I cannot understand Gold selections and where he plays some of them.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.08.15 08:17:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 75) : Interesting thought. It seems the newer trend is to play your “smaller’ and quicker play makers closer in and the larger backs out wide to finish in the space created by the guys on the inside. I think the general feeling is to get the ball away from the ‘fetchers’ that play closer in. So if your 12 bashes it up your ‘fetchers’ are close and lots of turnovers…where as if guys create a ruck out wide its a lot harder for fetchers to get there.

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.08.15 09:32:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : Interesting debate…it will be fascinating to see how this develops in the Sharks side over the next few weeks…

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 81) : I do get the logic of larger guys out wide…but u also need to have the players to do that. There is also def reason for smaller and quicker out wide. I just think the Sharks are very predictable at the moment- u know they will create a ruck in either channel 1 or 2 every time…so guess where opposition will look to target us. Was the same thing Argies did to Boks in Durban…check the replay- there is almost zero Argie defense covering out wide.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.08.15 12:02:15 by SheldonK Reply

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