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Sharks save their worst for last


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Lions, Original Content, Sharks on 22 Aug 2015 at 18:56
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A game Sharks team gave their fans hope for 60 minutes of today’s Currie Cup clash against the Lions at Kings Park, defending with passion to eke out a 16-10 lead, only to conceded three late tries to hand their visitors a 31-16 bonus point win.

There was much hope for fans after a first half in which the unfancied Sharks went toe-to-toe with a Lions team widely tipped to mop the floor with the black and white lads. Despite an early try to Howard Mnisi, which was perhaps more freakishly unlucky than anything else, the Sharks forwards built a good platform based on tackle-area dominance. The scrum remained a disaster throughout, with referee Quinton Immelman mercilessly penalising Dale Chadwick and Thomas du Toit in turn for virtually every conceivable transgression at this phase, but the lineout functioned far better, while the Sharks loose forwards tackled their opposition to a standstill.

Joe Pietersen struck twice with the boot to see his team turn just 6-7 down.

The Lions struck back with a penalty ten minutes into the second period, but Pietersen nailed his third to bring the Sharks back within a point just ahead of the fourth quarter. A great lineout move saw replacement fullback SP Marais crate space for Odwa Ndungane with a clever toe through, the veteran winger scoring on the hour mark to claim the lead for the Sharks, with Pietersen’s tricky conversion handing Sharks a six-point cushion.

What followed can only be described as an implosion of note; where an experienced team would have found a way to consolidate and close out the game, the Sharks seemingly went to pieces instead. The first of three Lions tries came via centre Stokkies Hanekom after a good period of pressure from the visitors; the final two, though, were simply down to rank amateur mistakes. First Ross Cronje sprinted through untouched after a poorly controlled lineout in the Lions 22, setting up Courtnall Skosaan for an easy score. Minutes later it was Anthony Volminck who profited, latching onto a long lazy pass from Andre Esterhuizen to run in for a 60m intercept try- that latter score handing the Lions a bonus point and consigning the Sharks to yet another abject defeat.

Sharks (16): Try: Odwa Ndungane; Conversion: Joe Pietersen; Penalties: Pietersen (3).
Golden Lions (31): Tries: Howard Mnisi, Stokkies Hanekom, Courtnall Skosan, Anthony Volmink; Conversions: Marnitz Boshoff (4); Penalty: Boshoff.



96 Comments

  • Hard luck guys

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.08.15 18:58:57 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Obviously disappointed but the first 60 was looking very promising. Felt Gary was a little hasty with some of the substitutions.

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.08.15 18:59:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : Did not expect anything less than a bonus point win for the Lions.

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.08.15 18:59:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : Your team is in fine form. Congrats on a fine win.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.08.15 19:00:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : Congrats! Lions to win the Currie Cup!

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.08.15 19:02:49 by Ben Reply
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  • All the hard work for nothing. Scrum was a MESS. Dit maak my sommer moerig. Why do I even bother to watch? Lol Besides the good defense, its like all the backline players are playing against each other. They should not print the numbers on the back of the jerseys, rather in front…that way it looks like we are attacking :D

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.08.15 19:03:33 by capesharks Reply

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  • The same story…this bunch of guys does not look like its on an upward curve at all. I saw improvement in the Cheetahs between last week and this week but not these guys. Again, it looked like a collection of individuals devoid of the unity of being a team playing for each other. Why do we have to put up with this?! The same mistakes and lack of imagination week after week. Despite what Gold say about a team in the rebuilding phase I will wager some hard earned money that these guys have not developed at all between now and the conclusion of the pool stages. Why the entropy? Its not natural

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.08.15 19:25:56 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • The decline in the standard of play has been on display since before the catastrophic loss to the the crusaders. Also, Quinton Immelman didn’t have an unbiased game. Every scrum penalty bar one or two was for the lions who were no always scrumming straight or on cue. That said, the Sharks would still have squandered any points benefit from Immelman refereeing the scrum more correctly.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.08.15 19:29:36 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Held out for 60 minutes and then capitulated in the last 20? Is this the Boks or Sharks you guys are talking about…?

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.08.15 19:29:41 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 7) : Fred was the major improvement for us! I know Joe was a good acquisition for the Sharks, but a straight swop for Zeilinga. I think the Cheetahs got the better of that trade. Especially seeing as you guys have Willie to man the FB position. For the first time since Sarel left, we have fluidity in the backline.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.08.15 19:43:31 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 10) : Correct, big mistake again by the Sharks to let Zeilinga go.

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.08.15 19:51:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Lions played well and won. We did a lot of good things also. But the lions have the benefit of a much more settled team. Marco said it as it is we are currently in a building phase. It is what it is.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.08.15 20:00:54 by YamYam Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 11) : Fred buckles under the weight of expectation…which is what he did at the Sharks, a few good games and then he just couldn’t take the pressure.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.08.15 20:09:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Other than the scrums, the Sharks were the better team in every facet of play. Our lineouts, defense, breakdowns and attack were all better. Unfortunately handling errors and four brain farts (one for each lions try, which were all very weak) cost the team.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.08.15 20:18:26 by woody Reply
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  • @woody (Comment 14) : really now

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.08.15 20:30:53 by benji Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 10) : Honestly reckon it was a win/win. Very happy that both players seem to be adapting well.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.08.15 20:40:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 15) : Yes. On attack we looked dangerous but just couldn’t string enough phases together due to handling errors. And our defence in general play destroyed them. They probably spent less than a minute in our 22 in the whole game. Their first try was due to a misjudgement by Lionel Cronje and a lucky bounce, second try Claasens let Ross Cronje go, third try nobody stepped up to tackle Ross Cronje in his 22 and the last one was an intercept.

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.08.15 20:40:47 by woody Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : well done to the Lions they were the better team and finished way better than the Sharks.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.08.15 20:42:22 by JD Reply
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  • I’ll take the comment that we are building, but you cannot build a player by playing them in a different position every week. Been saying it for ao long now – keep the players in their natural positions and let them gel. The players are confused, wing one week, then centre, then fullback. We have the players. Rather let one less – experienced player play than several others out of position. Good to see our line-outs went much better. My plea again – give the team time to gel!

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.08.15 21:07:24 by T-Shark Reply

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  • Thought the sharks actually did a lot of good in this game. Thought our scrum did better than the penalty count reflected. Where we were allowed scrum we were competitive. We should have won a tighthead and the lions is a very strong scrumming team. At scrum our starting hooker is problematic. If we can resolve this and get some continuety we can improve here.

    Our lineouts functioned well. Why do we rush a quick one wgen 5m out.

    Our rucks are work8ng well and defence was much improved

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.08.15 21:07:39 by byron Reply

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  • We need to keep this team together to have a hope in super rugby next year

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.08.15 21:08:39 by byron Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 3) : I didn’t expect it like that though. We were pretty good for 70 minutes. I thought it would be more comfortable for the Lions throughout instead of tight, tight, tight…boom 3 tries…

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.08.15 21:10:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : Well played…

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.08.15 21:10:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 5) : Although…jeepers, the Bulls are looking good too!

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.08.15 21:11:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 10) : Fred was very good on Friday…I hope for him and for you guys that he can add consistency to his repertoire now…he will be a big plus for you if he can!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.08.15 21:14:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 11) : Whatever. He is a good CC player at best. Yes, with good coaching any player can look good.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.08.15 21:28:31 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • I am very chuffed that our u21s won today…well done gents!!

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.08.15 21:34:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Oh well, at least the Sharks connection are helping to dismantle the English.

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.08.15 21:42:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Ek praat nie meer sharks rugby nie. Decided in super rugby already to take my heart of the sharks completely for 2015. What ever happens must happen. On a different note, those bulls are something else hey. All those young players are really doing something wow in that team, def not playing the boring bulls rugby we have all come to know over the years. @bluecenturion: the best move you guys made was to allow frans ludeke to “move on”. On a sharks note: I’m seriously not a fan of Gold, and I started out a fan of john smit but I’m even less of a fan of him then Gold, but whatever they do, it would probably be best to keep Gold at the sharks, for stability sakes coz since plum this team has been at its lowest ever, I have to blame the CEO for that coz its clear he dropped plum coz he had a personal issue with him, a score to settle of some sort. The boards worst mistake ever was to hire JS. Yes I said it.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.08.15 21:51:20 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • Gold and his teams of clowns out :evil:

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.08.15 21:58:53 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 27) : What was the score?

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.08.15 22:24:50 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 31) : France won 25-20

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.08.15 22:51:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 16) : It was indeed. Just think Fred will be more important to us going forward. Not knocking Joe, he was a great asset to us. Just think that we have need a real running FH to build around.

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.08.15 22:59:41 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 25) : Ditto, thanks. I rated Fred at the Sharks, dunno if it was the way he was managed that caused the slide. He was dropped strangely at some stage, and then slipped away.

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.08.15 23:01:53 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 13) : Wasn’t he dropped for some strange reason, he was playing well, then the semi’s came up and he was dropped cold for the returning books. Maybe he was badly managed at the Sharks. He never looked the same player after that.

    Well we will take this limited CC player, and see if he can do great things for us.

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.08.15 23:08:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 26) : So are you saying Fred looks good because Franco is a good coach. That is mighty big of you :-)
    Well I will rather have Fred as a good CC player than having sitting on splinters behind Cronje.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.08.15 23:12:29 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Change out the 10 and locks and we can only improve.

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.08.15 23:41:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 31) : Our u21s won 20-19…

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.08.15 05:52:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 34) : Jake White basically said quite openly that he didn’t rate him and dropped him from the SR side…and that knocked his confidence…

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.08.15 05:54:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I only got to see the last 20 minutes of the game as I couldn’t find a stream. The biggest positive for me was to see Paul Jordaan leave the field after 80 minutes uninjured. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.08.15 06:18:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 40) : He had his foot taped up earlier in the game so not completely injury free ;)

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.08.15 07:53:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • You guys can sugar-coat this shit as hard as you can. Fact remains, our rugby is in the wrong hands. Seeing the Bulls young backline run circles around the Stormers Superugby backline bar Damien and De Jong made this crystal clear for me. We have the wrong management and coaches at the Sharks which translates to the wrong talent.This ship is radar less and how is a radar less ship meant to be able to find and attract the best talent in the country? We don’t know how we want to play therefore can’t identify the right coaches and players to allow us to play this modern game. Instead our game is slow, boring, full of handling errors, full of wasted opportunities and aimless kicking. John Smit, Brendan Venter, Gary Gold, Sean Everitt must go. John Smit has fucked up the Sharks bigtime and will continue to do so until he is removed. It is clear to me that he is clueless. We are behind in everything when compared with other unions. Thought John said he wanted to be the leader in everything. He probably meant leader from the back. Even in transformation we are way behind as the Stormers, Cheetahs, Bulls and Lions have the best young black backline players that are blessed with natural ability that allows them to break defensive systems down. We are truely the worst coached province and play the most dull rugby. Watching the Sharks play is one big frustration. Sorry, I can’t take it anymore.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.08.15 09:28:57 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : I was at Loftus last night and 1 thing is immediately obvious. We lack team unity and coaching. That’s what the Bulls have.

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.08.15 09:48:41 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 29) : Can’t agree more. The talent on display last night should have been regulars a lot earlier. That was Ludeke’s doing.
    I was very impressed last night. I am actually enjoying watching rugby.The last time I was this excited about the Bulls was 2010 super rugby.
    I hope Meyer stays at the Boks. I don’t think we need him.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.08.15 09:51:50 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 44) : I am envious.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.08.15 10:12:50 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 22) : I meant my expectation before the game. Was pleasantly surprised by the fight the Sharks put up for 70 minutes.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.08.15 11:21:57 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I think the point to note us that the Lions started building 3 to 4 years ago as did the bulls. The lions have been blessed since their year off to hace had very few injuries and hace had great continuety I would be interested to know the number of caps held by the team in total. I would be surprised if any player held 50 caps at this stage.

    Were effectuvely playing our 2/3 string props (compared to a season ago) due to migration, springbok callups or injuries. Player missing at 9 and 10 too. I personally thought we really played well yesterday and were unlucky. Two of the tries conceded were caused by a lack of team cohesion. The first try should have been a penalty to the sharks. The no6 was clearly over the 15 before the lineout was over and he definitely interfered with play. We clearly outplayed the lions and if the lions did not get all the scrum penalties (and although they were dominant, the ref got alot wrong) i think the result would have been vastly different.

    To me yesterday was a big step up performance wise

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.08.15 11:46:55 by byron Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 46) : :mrgreen: Same here…

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.08.15 12:24:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Well I’m afraid that if we easily accept mediocrity that’s exactly what we will end up with. And I do not blame the players at individual levels sure many of them have improved. I grant them that but not overall. I think fans should apply pressure and accept nothing but a complete revolution. Diamonds can only be created by extreme pressure.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.08.15 14:55:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 41) : Ja he should probably sit next one out to be safe.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.08.15 14:57:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : Agree 100%. I made a comment here after warm up game that we as fans want to see passion in all games and not in warm up games. As passionate Sharks fan of over 30 years I have not been so negative about my Sharks team. Nor can I see any progress to get out the hole. I actually went to loftus last night and boy did I get excited about rugby in SA. And it was not while watching Sharks while braai-ing at Affies(although this felt like the old time braais at Kings Park ouer fields). No… watching a down and out Bulls team showing skills and passion. With a crowd that believed in their boys. And no!!! I will never ever leave my Sharks team for the blue jersey. But man oh man. I also wanted what they had. And somehow after Plums left it started to fade away to this point. Yes, I did wear my Sharks jersey last night but was jumping up and down for 2 different teams.

    Sad… very sad.

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.08.15 17:03:24 by ebenp Reply

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  • It’s more enjoyable watching Everybody loves Raymond re-runs than the poorly coached Sharks. At home for crying out loud, they fall apart like that. How long is a rebuilding phase typically supposed to be? Plenty of observations; 1) no confidence by the players… in the plan? in coach? 2) the so-called impact players on the bench don’t appear to be making an impact 3) Quinton Immelman’s initials are the opposite of IQ 4) Is Wentzel a reluctant captain? 5) Pieterson and Claassens are good tactical hirings 6) We need Lewies and JC Castle back ASAP 7) Since Gold is a fait accompli he needs to figure out why the Sharks can’t play 80 minutes 8) Maybe Muir and/or Teichman and/or Andrews and/or John Kiwi need to be called in to point out Gold’s blind spots

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.08.15 17:11:24 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 47: The first try should have been a penalty to the sharks. The no6 was clearly over the 15 before the lineout was over and he definitely interfered with play) :

    19.14 (f) Long throw-in. If the player who is throwing in throws the ball beyond the 15-metre line, a player taking part in the lineout may run infield beyond the 15-metre line as soon as the ball leaves the hands of the player throwing in.

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.08.15 18:29:13 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 53) : And Richy Mccaws try for All blacks also not. Time to outplay opponents and not to look for reasons why we lost. I hear you. And I also know what the effect of calls against a team does. But if you are not playing well and loose.. the fault should be fixed on field not in media… Rugby ginners. Like really… what was that all about. Waste of money. Could have signed a couple of youngsters rather.. not being able to keep a guy like PS du Toit and the likes are a huge concern..

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.08.15 21:02:42 by ebenp Reply

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  • I watched the game again and here, for the record, is how I saw it:
    1. On the positive side:
    - Our defence was greatly improved (except fo that blooming Cronje break!)
    - Our loose trio performed much better…better balance, better performance…
    - Monde had a much better game, particularly at the lineouts. I still can’t shake the suspicion that he is part of our scrumming problem.
    2. On the negative side:
    - ARGH!! Sort out the basics already. These knock ons and forward passes are sooo frustrating! All sorts of basic unforced errors…
    - our scrums were ok at times and poor for most of the rest. I am not convinced that with the current personnel it can change?
    - play for EIGHTY minutes, not just 70. Those last 10 minutes were terrible!!
    - Mjekevu did nothing to change my mind about him…
    All in all you have to conclude that we lost to the better side and the one with both better playing and coaching personnel…

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.08.15 08:14:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The day that Ross Cronje wins Man of the Match against you – you know your team is playing some pretty useless rugby..

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.08.15 08:19:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Got invited to Loftus and thought I will have some fun and support WP, but WOW… what a show! Well done Bulls.

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.08.15 08:43:20 by catfish Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 56) : Pretty much.

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.08.15 08:43:27 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • The state of affairs in Sharks rugby is becoming very worrying…and there seems to be no tangible actions taken to rectify anything…we select the same team…same game plan…same errors…same result- a loss! I dont for 1 second buy the rebuilding rubbish excuse- i dont see us improving at all week to week so what exactly are we rebuilding besides the players bank balances? There needs to be a serious investigation into the academy as its producing nothing but money. Are we employing the right personnel in our conditioning and coaching roles as we seem to get more in juries than every other side and our players look slow and unfit and get dominated in the contact situations. Keeping on this current path will see 3 men and his dog arrive to watch super rugby next year…then whose going to pay the bills?

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.08.15 08:57:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I have never been as negative about the Sharks as I am lately. Hell, I even managed to keep positive during the dark Putt days, but f*&^k! Lately we are struggeling to scrape a win against the Kings. For f(*&k sakes! How much longer must we accept this mediocrity and garbage? Cudos to the Lions, but damn man, the Sharks are just plain useless lately. No pride in the jersey, no pride in themselves. Only the Du Preez boeties and Joe looks like they pitched to play. Poor Tom’s career is going to be destroyed before it even really started if they keep on playing him at 3, can you guys just imagine the knock in his confidence he is getting when being handed his arse in every match? I am so dejected about my team that I don’t even feel the need to defend them when someone calls them guppies.

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.08.15 09:15:59 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Rob,why was edward griffiths at the gane saturday night?visiting or business?also saw dick muir.is he still coaching or does he have other business ventures?

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.08.15 09:16:23 by Phil46 Reply

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  • @Phil46 (Comment 61) : Edwards Griffiths was also at the warm up game against the Lions in PMB…

  • Comment 62, posted at 24.08.15 09:19:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Phil46 (Comment 61) : He’s just finished his stint as CEO at Saracens hasn’t he?

  • Comment 63, posted at 24.08.15 09:21:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Phil46 (Comment 61) : There were also rumours that he would start working at the Kings next?

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.08.15 09:25:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 60) : I agree with you totally on Thomas.Gold is slowly killing this wonderful talent.He is battling every week against veterans at 3.
    If you want to develop him at 3 play him in his own age group and give him a chance to learn the position,he is only 20.
    At the moment he is being given the entire team scrum responsibility ,and in addition he has a weak scrummaging hooker.This kid has more potential than any other 20 year old in the world and we are demoralising him.

  • Comment 65, posted at 24.08.15 09:33:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 65) : So if you had to pick our side for next week, who would you pick at tighthead (taking into account the injuries we have at present)? To be fair to Gold, I think he wanted to play Adriaanse at tighthead, but had his hand forced by injury…

  • Comment 66, posted at 24.08.15 09:39:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 66) : Then you pick even the U21 tighthead, or even someone from the club scene. I know from experience how difficult it is to switch from loosehead to tighthead. It almost destroyed me, ended up almost paralyzed because of it.

  • Comment 67, posted at 24.08.15 09:42:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 67) : Your comment is fair…I just wanted guys to think that through to the end. Maybe not picking Thomas at tighthead would be better for Thomas (I probably agree with that)…but it is unlikely to result in a stronger Sharks scrum that will stand up better in matches against good scrummagers…

  • Comment 68, posted at 24.08.15 09:48:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 68) : We don’t need to dominate every scrum, we just need a stable scrum that is not hitting turbo reverse. So all we need until Adriaanse is ready is a 3 that can keep the scrum stable, that is all.

  • Comment 69, posted at 24.08.15 09:52:44 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 67) : I tend to agree, the last time one of our coaches actually fetched some club players and make them Sharks players was DM, and look how well that turned out.

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.08.15 09:53:21 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 66) : He spent all his money on the permanently injured Coenie,a perfect example of how to destroy an excellent loose head,by playing him at tight head,and has nothing fit to put on the field.
    I personally would pick Thomas at 1 ahead of anyone else on the team.

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.08.15 09:55:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : I agree 100%

  • Comment 72, posted at 24.08.15 10:07:22 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 69) : Do have one? Can you think of any 3 we have that can keep this particular tight 5 stable? If I look at the names of those have on our books at u21 level, it doesn’t feel me with confidence that the next 3 we can pluck out of the hat for next week will give us what you’re asking. And I can’t imagine the club scene will be much better? Perhaps Gerhard Engelbrecht should get a shot? I could go with that. All this underlines that we need to find another (better) tighthead before Super Rugby, but doesn’t solve our problems for next week…

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.08.15 10:09:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : Fair enough…I just don’t think that will solve our scrumming issues, partly because any other tighthead we put on the field right now won’t be any better…and partly because I reckon probably our main issue in the front row is that our hookers are weak scrummagers (and Marco is not the strongest scrummager at 5 either).
    Coenie only starts with the Sharks after the world cup anyway, so they couldn’t pick him even if he was fit…

  • Comment 74, posted at 24.08.15 10:12:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : I am happy to give it a go, though, because at this stage Thomas is definitely a better 1 than 3. I do think he could develop into a top class 3, but agree that his development should start a step lower…

  • Comment 75, posted at 24.08.15 10:16:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 73) : Hell, I’m pretty sure that there are tons of northern hemisphere players etc that would be willing to sign a 2-3 month contract to come and play CC. All it needs is for our ”leader” and ”coach” to admit that they have a huge problem and then try and rectify it. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery and unfortunately our ”brilliant” CEO and ”wonderful” coach has their heads up where the sun doesn’t shine.

  • Comment 76, posted at 24.08.15 10:17:43 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 76) : Maybe someone should go and take a look at Argentina,they produce props like South Africa produces locks.
    The French clubs are full of them,it was so apparent at the International at K.P a few weeks ago how highly the Argies rate us.Send a guy like Garvey over and I am sure he will find a youngPampas bull to fill our number3 slot

  • Comment 77, posted at 24.08.15 10:23:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : Plus if they get one or two over there, they won’t have to break the bank to sign them. Sign one or two young ones that shows promise and that is young enough to be able to play for SA down the line.

  • Comment 78, posted at 24.08.15 10:28:11 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 78) : yup remember Menedez the Hooker who played here for a few seasons he was an amazing player.

  • Comment 79, posted at 24.08.15 10:35:45 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 76) : Maybe…but I’m not so sure that these guys are lining up to come and play here. What is it now? Every pound they earn there would require 20-how-many Rand to match it?

  • Comment 80, posted at 24.08.15 10:47:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : That sounds like a good idea…although our Rand versus the tempting Pound/Euro will also be a problem in that scenario…I’m all for giving it a shot though…

  • Comment 81, posted at 24.08.15 10:48:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 78) : The fact that we have to compete with Europe to get their signatures, though, still means we’d have to chuck quite a bit of money at them if they are good players…

  • Comment 82, posted at 24.08.15 10:50:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Yes some players are not performing but is it just me or do the Sharks seem 3 seasons behind everyone in terms of game plan and skills etc. I see the Bulls off loading, the Pumas playing a multi faceted game, even the Ep Kings mixing and matching, yet week after week i see the same thing from the Sharks playing ruck to ruck with static 1 off runners or just passing the ball down the line.

  • Comment 83, posted at 24.08.15 10:51:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 81) : I was thinking more in terms of a young guy coming here to improve his rugby.
    Durban is after all the home of Izak van Heerden the godfather of the Sharks and Puma rugby,There should be some connection.
    Kinda like the Samoan,Fijian,Tongan attraction for New Zealand its not so much about the money its more about the rugby.

  • Comment 84, posted at 24.08.15 10:59:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 64) : yes,he is finished with saracens.also heard that kings were looking to employ him.do you think he could fit into the sharks management?heard he did wonderful things at saracens.

  • Comment 85, posted at 24.08.15 11:05:01 by Phil46 Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 56) : Amen.

  • Comment 86, posted at 24.08.15 11:18:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @Phil46 (Comment 85) : I think it’s interesting that he is about so much…

  • Comment 87, posted at 24.08.15 11:31:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 60) : So Philip vd Walt is not producing. Sounded to me that he was also one of the standout forwards?

  • Comment 88, posted at 24.08.15 11:35:23 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 88) : Yes, v/d Walt was excellent.

  • Comment 89, posted at 24.08.15 11:46:27 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : I like that idea. Sounds good.

  • Comment 90, posted at 24.08.15 12:19:52 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 88) : Let’s give him time. I have seen him in the past and know what he can do. I have faith in him. He seems smaller/shorter than he used to be though?

  • Comment 91, posted at 24.08.15 12:24:44 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 88) : I thought he was good this week and last week…and I didn’t see much of the first game. So I am happy with what I’ve seen…

  • Comment 92, posted at 24.08.15 13:21:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 60) : I feel exactly like you, and what really burns my balls is that the system wasnt all that broken when his majesty decided to fix it.

  • Comment 93, posted at 24.08.15 13:24:41 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 88) : vd Walt was the standout player for me,he is a brilliant buy,seriously tough but with skills other than bash em up the middle Alberts,Deysel,Coetzee game.Has a fair bit of Jan Ellis about him too and its not only the hair.

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.08.15 16:34:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 94) : Agreed – he was very impressive. Also put in some seriously big hits. Definitely one of the better buys in recent times.

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.08.15 18:45:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 95) : Agreed…

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.08.15 18:48:12 by pastorshark Reply
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