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I don’t believe in risk and reward, for the simple reason that it breeds a culture where it becomes okay to lose, writes guest blogger Edd Squires.

It is not easy being a coach, not in today’s day and age. You are constantly under the microscope from your board, media and fans. Where you should spend time planning and on-field coaching, you spent close to 70% of your week reporting to internal structures, engaging media and fans and managing personnel to ensure the ship stays afloat.

Most of the time, unless it is going really well week after week (which in rugby rarely happens), you spent most of your energy trying to defend criticism levelled against your methodologies, players and playing style. It is a no-win situation, yesterday’s hero is today’s sacrificial lamb.

It takes its toll, you start questioning yourself, your systems, your beliefs, and even what the hell made you choose a career like this in the first place, when you could have sat in a television studio and tell everyone how poor other coaches are.

It is difficult to justify to media and the public what happened in 80 minutes of rugby, because that 80 minutes is a small step in a process and plan you have envisioned.

You have to tread carefully because you will never please everyone, and explaining a long-term process to (with respect) largely uneducated media and fans is like a neuro-surgeon trying to explain a lobotomy in simple terms. Yes everyone has a basic idea of what it is, but very few understand the process of how to plan, implement and execute it.

That said, there is one simple in coaching, you never implement any strategy at the expense of the basics of the game.

If I have to ask anyone here to list the top 5 basic principles in rugby my guess is most would agree on at least 3 out of the 5, perhaps even 4. Despite what people believe, rugby is actually a simple game made complicated by over-analysis. If you leave the field with more points than the lads in the other jerseys, you have succeeded. You do this in two ways, scoring points when you have an opportunity to do so, but more importantly, deny the opposition any chance to score against you.

You execute this by controlling the controllables, meaning you have to realise very quickly as a coach you can only control what you do. In rugby terms this means that you cannot plan for when the opposition makes a mistake providing you with the opportunity to score, but you can control how you deny them at every turn to score against you – in other words, how you defend.

Heyneke Meyer realised this simple principle against Argentina, the Sharks should too. No matter how much the public and media wants you to run and play (I hate this phrase passionately) ‘attractive rugby’, you cannot control the passion, guts and systems of the opposition denying you by tackling the s#%t out of you.

It is one of the very basics of rugby, and while I have a genuine understanding for coaches who want to set the world alight with wonderful, entertaining, spectacular, running rugby, you cannot do this at the expense of one of the very basics of the game at any stage of any process you are busy with – your defence.

It is only Round 3 of the Currie Cup, early days – but with the worst defensive record of all teams to date, conceding the second most tries (after Griquas), it is something the management should take very seriously, very soon.



118 Comments

  • Totally, hence I always supported JW rugby last year, even though it didn’t look good he did what he had to to get as far as possible.
    The public and media thinks that one just runs the ball all over the park and you win.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.08.15 11:00:29 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Great piece Edd! There were without a doubt some promising aspects to Saturday’s game but the fact that we let Ross Cronje through 3 times (of which two of those breaks were converted into tries) is a major concern.

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.08.15 11:03:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • The most ‘attractive rugby’ is the one where we score more points than the opposition…

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.08.15 11:07:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Nice article Edd. I agree about focusing on the basics. But a defence which holds for 60 minutes and then implodes points to a fitness issue.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.08.15 11:11:57 by war1 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Exactly. One have to earn your way to play attacking rugby.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.08.15 11:12:38 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : I really hate to be picky but there wasnt a positive on the scoreboard, also no positive in the log points received…so for me the only positive was that we managed to get 15 guys to run onto the field together all wearing the correct kit. Altho maybe we won the toss so possibly 2 positives

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.08.15 11:20:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 5) : yes that is true…but so is that fact that rugby comprises attack AND defense…i think the Sharks clearly forgot bout the second part in their planning.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.08.15 11:22:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 4) : that’s a valid point, Warren….

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.08.15 11:29:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Was not aware that we have the worst defensive record thus far in the competition. What is wrong with our management? Just beg John Mitchell to join us asap. Fire Brendan Venter quickly.

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.08.15 11:31:32 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 9) : tackle percentages for the first three games

    v Pumas 84 %
    v Kings 80%
    v Lions 80%

    the last two games running we have missed 20% of our tackles.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.08.15 11:33:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Jakeball will never be entertaining but heck, we all will take 3 wins b

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.08.15 11:41:05 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Cant blame Horak anymore! He seems to be getting the u21s to play as a team. Why cant our senior side get this right? I am totally disgusted that the Sharks have dropped standards so much. Seeing KP so empty breaks my heart.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.08.15 11:43:30 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 12) : Well someone needs to stand up and i say f*cked up…either its the coaches not putting in place the defensive system or the system is in place but the players are not making the tackles. Its not nobodys fault…and that bullsh*t from Gold blaming the public doesnt cut it either.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.08.15 11:58:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • In cricket, catches win matches.
    In rugby, tackles win matches.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.08.15 12:01:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : What makes it even more concerning is that Gold said that they were focusing on fitness in the build up to the Currie cup.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.08.15 12:10:05 by war1 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 14) : Ag no man, clearly points win matches. ;-)

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.08.15 12:11:02 by war1 Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 1) : Sorry, I hear all this that JW was implementing structures but the Sharks rugby regressed totally!! There is a rugby culture in every team, and the game plan that JW demanded, didn’t fit in the Sharks players psyche. The dour rugby has left an indelible mark.

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.08.15 12:22:03 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) :

    Our crocks team has a great culture, we are basically family – we suck badly though.

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.08.15 12:24:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 5) : That I agree with, but under JW, there was no such plan. The idea was clearly kick the bomb, apply pressure and hope the pressure causes a mistake, take the 3 points on offer, go back and do it again!! Hey, just like the Bulls, except it looked better when the Bulls did it lol.

    That said, what a joy to see the Bulls play such a running brand of rugby! Just as hard to contain.

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.08.15 12:25:57 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : I think the encouraging thing is we let nobody else through which means that our defense is improving. And the fact that this week, our defense is not random means its fixable.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.08.15 12:26:18 by byron Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 4) : its also when the subs came on in mass

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.08.15 12:29:07 by byron Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : I think the defensive system worked better against the lions for the following reasons
    (1) We tackled players back
    (2) We scrambled defensively better
    (3) We played better as a team.
    I certainly dont feel as negative as I did in the S15 and feel there is hope.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.08.15 12:31:39 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 22) : Surely u mean it worked better in patches as we lost and conceded a 4try bonus point? And if it works only in patches why is it not sustainable? I know as fans we try see the positives…but i really think we trying a bit too hard

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.08.15 12:44:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • At least under Jake White there WAS a plan. There is no semblance of a plan under the current regime. They talk fancy ideas but the team plays like some poor clueless, directionless, mystified creature.

    Anyone else getting tired of the ridiculous official Sharks utterings, cliched statements and repeated excuses? Now we have to suffer through Vince Lombardi quotes… something about it doesn’t matter how many times you get knocked down but rather how many times you get up… I don’t want to hear about the Sharks getting knocked down silly each weekend ffs! Just STFU and start winning, thanks. That’s the ONLY place to do the talking. The PR guys at the union need to catch a wake up.

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.08.15 12:46:06 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • You just know the state of South African rugby generally is f*cked up when a former Bok coach burns a Springbok jersey with a bunch of All Black supporters.

    Sound judgment was never Snor’s forte was it?

    Can you imagine the likes happening in NZ, Aus or Eng? We truly are f*cked up.

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.08.15 13:04:44 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 24) : I hate myself for agreeing with so much of this post.

    I can handle losing while we try to rebuild, sure. What I can’t handle is being treated like a mug and told I “don’t understand the process” when we continue to get the basics wrong. And above all, I can’t handle the bullshit spin.

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.08.15 13:06:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : we are told to hope “the bounce of the ball” will be with us this weekend, and all will be well.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.08.15 13:16:57 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 27) : make your tackles, make your own luck.

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.08.15 13:17:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 27) : @robdylan (Comment 28) : What irks me, really GRINDS MY GEARS, is seeing how quickly the bloomin Bulls seem to have “bounched back”. I mean, they just got rid of their head coach, lost a lot of players due to Springbok duty or over seas commitments, but here they are; with a brand spanking new coach, new players, playing beautiful rugga, 3 from 3. No bullshit “we are rebuilding”,”give time for new players to settle”,”give the guys time to buy into new coach” spins. NONE. Results? F..k man. I have difficulty wrapping my head around this one.

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.08.15 13:37:29 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 29) : thank you.

    I was bleak about the Sharks result, but willing to accept that there’s a process. Then the Bulls only go and score their 3rd bonus point win in as many weeks with, as you say, a brand new coach and players and my patience just fucking disappeared.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.08.15 13:38:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : I love the Sharks, always have, always will. Without a shadow of a doubt my only team. But seeing them like this makes it so very difficult to get excited again for the game on Saturday. We are playing the Kings, and I can’t even say with confidence that we will easily take this one; a comfortable 5 pointer. No. Hell guys, how did we end up here??

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.08.15 13:43:38 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 31) : mate, I’m not at all confident that we’re going to win.

    This will be the first Sharks match that I’m actually able to watch on TV in 3 weeks. AND I’M SCARED TO WATCH IT. Against the worst team in the competition.

    People love coming on here and slating the Kings about not deserving their place, etc etc. And the Sharks battle to beat them.

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.08.15 13:50:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : @Another Nick (Comment 31) : Maybe I’m oversimplifying things, but rugby is about playing as a team, putting your body on the line to make those tackles. Are we not trying to over complicate matters instead of going back to the basics? My coach always had us sit quietly for 2 minutes before a match and just think about our job on the field. It always helped to calm us down and get us focused.

    Our players seem to lack passion and pride for the jersey, and as Kabouter said in comment 12, it’s heartbreaking to see the stadium so empty.

    The entire Sharks body, from management to players, needs to take a long hard look at themselves and face some hard truths.

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.08.15 13:51:53 by StevieS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : This would have been unthinkable about 2 years ago.

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.08.15 13:52:38 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 33) : my concern is that they’re not doing that – instead they’re hiding behind rationalisation and PR spin.

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.08.15 13:52:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Well im still waiting to see this new attacking approach they have talked bout since Super rugby? Do they mean that by making 1 extra backline pass and no longer being able to score from a driving maul now mean we are playing ‘running rugby’? We still have our static 1 off runners…still just shovel the ball down the backline. Only difference is now we dont win our lineouts and cant seem to maul. And i hate to tell the guys spilling this garbage to the media but if you arent ‘running’ while playing rugby then you probably are losing anyway. Fair enough make mistakes…but at least do it while trying new things- passing down the backline is not new im afraid

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.08.15 13:53:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 34) : go tell Plumtree that he’d ever be in danger of losing a Currie Cup game to EP. I’d hear the laugh from here.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.08.15 13:54:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : Static runners is so true. Giving the ball to someone standing still will never work. Have the runners hit the line at pace.

    @robdylan (Comment 35) : @robdylan (Comment 37) : I think everybody is laughing. I’m catching stick from all of the Lions and Bulls supporters…actually worse than that, it’s started turning to pity.

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.08.15 13:57:40 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 38) : Those staic runners drive me nuts…what are we trying to achieve besides just another ruck 2m away? And we often get turned over there. A Sharks forward running onto the ball or a backline player running a dummy line are such a rarity

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.08.15 14:08:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : They’re the norm at schools rugby! Makes me so mad :evil:

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.08.15 14:25:43 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 40) : To be clear, I meant players running onto the ball is the norm at schools rugby :lol:

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.08.15 14:42:52 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 40) : Just be patient…Gary Glitter Gold is teaching them ‘running rugby’ apparently

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.08.15 14:59:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Is Plum flavour of the month around here these days. Makes a change from the heady days of “Plum out, go like the FB campaign” :twisted:

    Kry vir julle.

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.08.15 15:12:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) : Rob was not behind the FB campaign.

    For what it’s worth, my personal opinion is that though there’s no doubt that Plum could probably improve the current situation, I don’t think he’s the long-term answer here.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.08.15 15:44:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) : ja well, hindsight is 20/20, isn’t it?

    Plum was a great Currie Cup coach who couldn’t win Super Rugby. It was a reasonable thing to hope that we’d end up maintaining that Currie Cup form while improving in Super Rugby. Seems we now suck in all competitions, as the 33% win rate for the year across all teams will attest.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.08.15 15:46:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Hey u can still pass matric comfortably with 33%

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.08.15 15:54:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 24) : My even for a Cheetahs fan, you sure are a ray of sunshine. Are you always this angry? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.08.15 15:56:34 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 44) : By now Plum should have departed the union, gracefully. Its what he deserved.
    Im afraid we are reaping what we deserve.

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.08.15 15:59:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : And we haven’t played the Bulls or the Stormers yet. I can’t actually see the Sharks even making the CC semi’s. How scary is that? Plum is having a good laugh.

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.08.15 16:00:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : The irony of it all is that its the under 21s that are now the Sharks flag bearers, being coached by someone that has copped even more flak than Gold has in SuperRugby.

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.08.15 16:03:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Sadly I see a very long struggle ahead of the Sharks to get back to the top much like the Bulls in the early 2000′s and the Lions 3-5 years ago.

    Maybe it’s just our turn to suck.

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.08.15 16:04:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 47) : Jeepers chap, dont mention “rays of sunshine” or “silver linings” when talking to Orlok, he doesnt like that type of talk.

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.08.15 16:05:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) : Fair point. The goodbye could have been on much better terms with a proper handover.

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.08.15 16:06:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 51) : But we had our turn already with Putt :grin:

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.08.15 16:06:58 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 53) : you mean the incoming CEO pulling up in his Land Rover at the side of the field during a training session and telling Plumtree right there and then to pack his stuff and clear off *wasn’t* the right way to do it?

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.08.15 16:08:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 54) : Don’t remind me. When last did the Stormers REALLY suck? I think it should be their turn.

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.08.15 16:09:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Nope, you at least give the guy one of those boxes you always see in the movies to pack his belongings into so he has something to remember you by. Right? ;-)

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.08.15 16:11:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : That’s different though, they simply suck because they aren’t the Sharks and that’s the kind of suck you can never rid yourself of ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.08.15 16:12:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 57) : and someone should start a slow clap, right?

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.08.15 16:13:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Well for the record, Plum was CC coach from 2770 – 2012. In his tenure the Sharks won the CC for the first time since 1996, in 2008.. He was the coach when the Sharks did it again in 2010, as well as when they were losing finalists in 2011 and 2012.
    He didn’t win the Super rugby trophy, but so has no other Sharks coach. Both he and Dick Muir were losing finalists. Muir in 2007, and Plum in 2012.

    So how bad was Plum really considering the Sharks history since 2000?

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.08.15 16:47:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • One of my best friends, who is a die-hard Sharks supporter, went to Loftus in a Bulls jersey to watch the WP game. I didn’t even give him shit about it. It’s like walking in on your girlfriend and another guy and feeling absolutely fuck all.

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.08.15 16:53:53 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : like I said, we thought we were going to get somebody better

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.08.15 16:57:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : You mean like the grass is always a better shade of green? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.08.15 17:04:03 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 61) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.08.15 17:16:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 63) : that’s pretty much it

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.08.15 17:20:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 33) : Imagine how the legends that were honoured for winning the CC must have felt watching the Sharks serve up this drivel

    If we could at least see something being done, then there might be some light but heck, the squad is not as bad as this log position.

    Regarding defence, not even under Dick Muir’s all out attack approach did we concede so many pathetic tries.

    I dont know, but here in PE there is a lot of optimism of a Kings upset as the geeling is that they let the Pumas of the hook. Last time the feeling was like this, Deon Keyser, Ricardo Loubsher and Norman Nelson were the most exciting back three in the CC…

    Baffled

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.08.15 17:42:29 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : I think it is because very few of the players can actually catch the ball while running.

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.08.15 17:52:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Gentlemen, yes we are having a bad year, yes there is no game plan and yes their is clearly a lack of pride for the jersey, however were we not the only team last season (South African) to make the super playoffs? Did we not also make the playoffs in CC? It has been a tough year supporting the boys but geez other teams have had 3-5 year slumps. This weekend for the first time there was hope again in the players attitude, 3 of the Lions’ tries could have gone a whole different direction. Once a Sharks supporter always a Sharks supporter. The black and white will be back!!!

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.08.15 18:13:50 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : You can just say Gary Glitter. We get what you mean. Just as untalented a windbag too.

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.08.15 18:18:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 33) : Let’s try not to put too much pressure on the players. It’s John Smit, Brendan Venter and Gary Bronze that should be getting our wrath.

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.08.15 18:33:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : To be fair, Plum did coach us to a very uninspiring tryless 12-21 win in PE against the Kings in Super Rugby in 2013…so he wouldn’t have the right to laugh too loudly…

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.08.15 19:54:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Personally I think the attractive rugby thing is being overblown. It’s not like the Sharks are playing festival rugby right now. It’s more a case of really poor systems and loads of unsettled combinations. I think we might be being generous in blaming the pursuit of attractive rugby.

    From what I’ve seen so far, the Sharks will play much better attacking rugby with Joe P at 10 and possibly SP or even Cronje at 15. And keep Classens at 9.

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.08.15 21:59:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 72) : ja don’t think Cronje is a huge success at 10 but hard to blame the backs if the forwards does not give them ball to play with!!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.08.15 22:26:59 by JD Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 68) : I will support the Sharks for ever and win or lose still wear my Sharks kit but that does not make me blind for what is happening to my beloved team. Something is way off and must be fixed before the Sharks will rise to the top again!!!! Black and White Nothing Else Matters!!!!!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.08.15 22:31:24 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 47) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 52) : Guys, I fear things will not improve with Gold at the helm. I guess I just started calling the rot a little before most. And I only see things getting worse. Call me the Oracle, not Orlok :smile:

    GOLD OUT!

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.08.15 00:16:47 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • If there was something in Gold’s track record – ANYTHING AT ALL – which might give me some hope that he has the ability to turn things around I would latch on to it and be a little more positive but, alas, there is nothing. He has never tasted any success. This guy is not the man to steer a great team like the Sharks or any team for that matter. And results this year have convincingly proved that point. How much more punishment should we take before enough becomes enough?

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.08.15 00:34:59 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • The new Bulls coach is getting his scratch/rookie team to win and win well. Jake White walked in last year and got his new team to win 10 of their first 13 games.

    Who says a new coach has to go through a “rebuilding” phase? I’m so sick of this cliched and tired excuse. Who says senior players are needed to ensure success – ask the Bulls rookies and, besides, Gold had his senior players in Super Rugby and it made no difference.

    The answer, my friends, is that this buddy buddy appointment by Smit was never the right one and as it was always going to do, is exploding in his face. Sharks fans deserve better and they deserve answers.

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.08.15 01:48:29 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 68) : I agree ! Lets all calm down

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.08.15 03:35:39 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 77) : thats a flipping good bulls team, dont have time to go through the whole squad but trust me

  • Comment 79, posted at 26.08.15 03:38:26 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 79) : Our team on paper is nothing to sneeze at either they come with pedigree track records and experience. So what is stopping us?

  • Comment 80, posted at 26.08.15 06:32:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Glad to see you see what I have been saying for a very long time… maybe about two years long…. ;-)

  • Comment 81, posted at 26.08.15 08:44:05 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 19) : The plan was to win, You forget that he lost Lambie early in the season, up until Lambie got injured we played darn good ruggas. He had to do what he had to do to get as far as possible with the team that was available. Which I think he did a darn good job considering all the injuries we had.

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.08.15 08:47:58 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 80) : poor inter play, poor defence, poor attacking skills, etc. etc. etc.

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.08.15 09:11:25 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 73) :
    I agree on the forwards.

    I can understand that we do have new combinations in the front row and that Thomas is busy transitioning himself into a TH (and I do believe that he could become a great one). However, for me right now the locks are pretty useless.

    I dont recall any lineout steals, while our scrum is struggling and bar a really industrious and effective 5 minute patch from Oosthuizen, they offer nothing in general play.

    On a side-note, while I thought Monde had a solid game, Marais’ ball carrying and urgency was fantastic.

  • Comment 84, posted at 26.08.15 10:51:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 84) : ja agree with the locks not being in top form just don’t know if there is any replacement for Marco (until Lewies is ready) maybe can change Oosthuizen.
    If handled correctly the completion between Monde and Marais can only do them both a world of good and glad to see another hooker stepping up to challenge for the number 2 jersey!!!!!!!!!!
    Scrumming though remains a HUGE concern for me as there’s not a lot of (top quality) props pushing for a Super rugby spot!!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.08.15 11:03:40 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : The ultimate chop (putting it very kindly)

  • Comment 86, posted at 26.08.15 11:28:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : ?????????? hell no that’s not the right way!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.08.15 11:49:08 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 86) : if that’s the way it happened I could add another couple of words starting with “f”, “a” and “i” that I would still consider as kind!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 88, posted at 26.08.15 11:51:08 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 88) : If that’s the way it happened no wonder we can’t get a quality coach to even look at us. No way for a CEO to behave either shows a distinct lack of maturity. Maybe such a CEO is not what the sharks need and maybe such a CEO is one of our root causes?

  • Comment 89, posted at 26.08.15 12:57:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 89) : What the hell?? Is that the way it happened? :|

  • Comment 90, posted at 26.08.15 13:03:05 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 89) : @Another Nick (Comment 90) : would love to know if that’s the way it happened?!?!?! Really hope it’s not!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 91, posted at 26.08.15 14:28:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 91) : Would really be terrible if that was the case..

  • Comment 92, posted at 26.08.15 14:40:50 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 91) : Its a load of crud,what happened is history,Mallett was quietly sounded out for the job, and he went to the press to publicly reject it knowing full well that Plum had no knowledge that he had been approached.
    Maybe John confirmed it on the side of the field but by then Plum and the rest of South Africa already knew it.
    Bloody big difference to driving your Landy up onto the playing surface and telling the coach he is fired.
    Very irresponsible journalism Rob,especially when you are so aware that the rank and file here,toady up to your every word as the Gospel from the mouth of Saint Rob.

  • Comment 93, posted at 26.08.15 14:41:06 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : Well that’s poor from Mallet then IMO.

  • Comment 94, posted at 26.08.15 14:50:32 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 94) : I actually cannot believe that you never heard that before where have you been.

  • Comment 95, posted at 26.08.15 14:53:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 95) : I knew Mallet was approached yes. But didn’t realise that Plum actually found out through the media. Many stories doing the usual rounds, so its hard to know what to believe and what is utter bollocks.

  • Comment 96, posted at 26.08.15 14:58:30 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Mallet and Smit were both being pricks. Sad that it went down this way.

  • Comment 97, posted at 26.08.15 15:09:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : While my memory is never something to count on, especially at my age (and advanced stage of mental decay), I do recall that is precisely how it happened. Those who were big JS supporters then and have now turned against him, were very vocal about what a prick Mallet was for handling it that way. By publicizing it, Mallet was the reason Plum never had the opportunity to leave gracefully as he so deserved

  • Comment 98, posted at 26.08.15 15:22:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 91) : I see another safe is in the Romanian World Cup squad. Without a doubt we will have the greatest representation in the WC

  • Comment 99, posted at 26.08.15 15:31:34 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : glad to hear and it’s not that we take Rob’s word as the gospel was just a very strange comment by him and we just wanted to know if there was something that was not reported.

  • Comment 100, posted at 26.08.15 16:08:06 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 98) : 100% correct. Mallet is an a&%#£……

  • Comment 101, posted at 26.08.15 16:09:27 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 101) : Great coach…would have Mallet before anyone in the country, or outside of it.

  • Comment 102, posted at 26.08.15 16:48:36 by grant10 Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 99) : I see there’s also a van der Merwe in the Canada squad…

  • Comment 103, posted at 26.08.15 21:50:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) :
    That’s kind of how I recall it too.

  • Comment 104, posted at 26.08.15 22:30:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 102) : You’re right, Mallet is a great coach, but there is a reason he is not working as a coach and nobody is beating his door down to get him to coach their side. Mallet is supremely talented at pissing people off and burning bridges. His coaching record as Bok coach is beyond question, one of the best of any Bok coach, yet nobody in SA Rugby wants anything to do with him. Jake White is not all that different from Mallet in that way.

  • Comment 105, posted at 27.08.15 01:19:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 105) : And Heyneke Meyer is given another four years before even showing anything at the RWC. Shows it is not about coaching ability but rather all diplomacy and politics.

  • Comment 106, posted at 27.08.15 01:21:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : U mm you will note everybody said IF that’s the way it happened. So thank you for your condescension. We are capable of making up our own minds. The difference is Rob has no false sense of superiority and understands we will question before we accept.

  • Comment 107, posted at 27.08.15 07:06:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 105) : Not true….Sharks were after Mallet, so were Stormers, Mallet probably the first coach teams approaches….Mallet chooses not to get involved….its certainly not because of any lack of opportunity.

  • Comment 108, posted at 27.08.15 07:18:25 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 105) : There are reasons why Mallet is not working as a coach, and believe me, many will beat the door down. It’s a matter of principle. Mallet has said he will never coach in SA again, after the way he was treated by SARU. Yes he made one crucial error in dropping Teich for Stinkstert, but he has owned up to his mistake. But to be fired for saying he thinks test ticket prices are too high is absurd.

    Apart from that, why would Mallet want to coach a Super 15 team in SA, when he has coached successfully at the highest level. He has a great position as Supersport analyst, and likely has business interests.

  • Comment 109, posted at 27.08.15 07:42:31 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : You talk like JS is the holy-grail of the Sharks. Maybe take those shades off.

  • Comment 110, posted at 27.08.15 10:10:29 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 98) : I don’t totally agree, even if Mallet went public, JS could still have left Plum to finish off his season without going to the field and telling him to leave immediately. JS issue with Plum was personal, nothing else.

  • Comment 111, posted at 27.08.15 10:12:53 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 102) : you can have him but please don’t let him near the Sharks!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 112, posted at 27.08.15 10:32:20 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : You are having a full on go at Rob but in no way proving that it did not happen like he says. The time line and Mallets utterances have nothing to do with what he posted.

  • Comment 113, posted at 27.08.15 21:13:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 113) : Well if it’s true why has he taken such a long time to share it.
    I know that the Mallett story is true and happened exactly as it did.
    Mallet is a malicious man and has never recovered his rush of bad blood to his head when he dropped Gary and the World cup in probably one of the worst cases of management that any coach has ever demonstrated.Drop your world record winning captain for a media star, just before a World Cup even though the pin up boy is injured.
    He knows exactly what the real Natal people think of him,and never misses an opportunity to have a nasty dig at us.
    I know Venter was the guy responsible for signing Jake,and wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t him who approached Mallett
    To put it into perspective,John came in on the back of a huge clean out,BJ,Strauelli,Piet Strydom,all cleaned out by the people who brought John in.I doubt if it was his decision to fire Plum,but suspect he was acting on instructions to make a clean sweep and a fresh start.
    Before he could sit down with Plum,Mallett had shot his mouth off in the newspapers,and put John in a n extremely bad position,just as he knew he would.
    Plum must have known that his days were numbered when he saw the old regime being decimated around him and I doubt he was surprised.
    He got a bad deal,andI seriously felt for him,he is a real gentleman,but he is in a high risk profession,and it comes with the territory.
    My objection is to the inference that John in a display of brutal arrogance drove his Landrover onto the training field cocked his finger at Plum in front of the players and told him to pack his shit and split.
    I can guarantee you that if it happened that way we would have heard of it by now.

  • Comment 114, posted at 27.08.15 23:29:45 by The hound Reply
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  • The person, whomever he is that sounded out Mallett before he informed Plumtree that he would be let go, is the real chop.

    Very unethical that.

    The Landrover story is new. Rob will have to point out some corroborations before I’ll think it credible.

    Very juicy though.

  • Comment 115, posted at 28.08.15 05:17:40 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 115) : consider it an unsubstantiated anecdote, one that I heard but shouldn’t have repeated.

    I do not have any corroboration and certainly won’t be going to look for any.

  • Comment 116, posted at 28.08.15 09:18:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 115) : The parting between Plum and Smit and Sharks was not at all amicable so as far as Im concerned anything could have happpened. The truth will out one day.

  • Comment 117, posted at 28.08.15 11:07:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 117) : I am more excited for the truth behind Jakes leaving.

    Notice the common denominator, John Smit.

  • Comment 118, posted at 28.08.15 11:36:09 by Seth101 Reply
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