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Gold happy with team’s character against Kings


Written by Pierre McLeod (pierre_mackie)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 1 Sep 2015 at 11:59
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Sharks head coach Gary Gold said he was happy with the way his team showed character and courage to come back after trailing 0 – 13 for the better part of the first half when they played the EP Kings at the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium in Port Elizabeth on Saturday afternoon.

After an early converted try by the Kings and two further penalties, the Sharks scored their only points of the first half in the 39th minute through a converted try by fullback, Joe Pietersen, to trail 7 – 13 at the break.

The Sharks grew in confidence in the second half as they scored a further two tries and a penalty, as the Kings were only given a penalty try for a dangerous tackle late in the second half to record their second win from four games, both against the Kings.

“Obviously it’s always good to win, just disappointed with a lot of passages of our play which made life very difficult for us against a very good Kings team,” said Gold. “A lot of teams have come here and felt the pressure, Province in the pre-season, Pumas had to kick a penalty goal to win at the depth, and they a good team here. They play with a lot of confidence and they are a team that asks a lot of questions, but you know we were poor in a lot of aspects tonight, but in saying that I also have to say we showed courage to come back at 13 – 0 down and stay in the fight and I’m happy with the way we came back and the character shown by our guys tonight.

Gold was particularly happy with the lineouts, despite their scrums coming under fire week in and week out.

“Last week as well, we went really nicely at the lineouts, while we are getting stick for our scrum and we know we need to work on our scrums, very little has been said about the work that’s been done at lineout time,” Gold said. “I’m really happy with that, it disrupted the Kings as we did with the Lions last week, so I’m really happy with the effort that’s been made there”.

Gold was full of praise for the du Preez twins, especially the hard work Daniel has put in.

“Both brothers are, we just trying to keep them fresh and giving them the experience at Currie Cup rugby, and it’s great for us that they both working so hard in tandem together. But yes, he is playing really nicely, getting around the park and working so hard and obviously a great try tonight for him to finish,” Gold added. “They big physical specimens and they are getting better and better every week, growing in confidence.”

The Sharks are currently fifth on the log, one point behind the Free State Cheetahs on fourth and Western Province in third, but can’t afford to lose any more games if they want any say later in the tournament.



180 Comments

  • Fact is the Sharks should never have been 13 points behind!!!!
    Fact Sharks must not compare their results to those of the Pumas!!!!
    Fact don’t quote preseason results as they don’t matter!!!!!
    Sharks should be better than this!!!!!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.09.15 12:10:46 by JD Reply
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  • He doesn’t set the bar terribly high, does he?

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.09.15 12:13:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Do we have the tackle stats for the game Pierre?

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.09.15 12:14:10 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 3) : we again only made 84%, off a very low number of tackles.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.09.15 12:15:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • Made 54 missed 10

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.09.15 12:15:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) :

    That is a startling figure..

    Yet we commend improvement and the coaches are happy..

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.09.15 12:27:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Coaches tend to focus on character building when there is absolutely nothing else to be happy about.

    Rather telling in our case…

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.09.15 12:37:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Bloody sad state of affairs. Shame on you Gary Gold .

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.09.15 12:40:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) :

    54 tackles?
    Were they playing touch rugby?

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.09.15 12:57:49 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 2) : Maybe someone else should handle the PR? His interviews don’t exactly inspire confidence as you point out.

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.09.15 13:01:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • As with all previous teams coached by Gold…the Sharks will also not be a Gold success story….the Midas touch turns garbage into gold, the Gold touch turns gold into garbage. :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.09.15 13:06:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 9) : mate, that’s how much possession we had. We didn’t need to tackle because they never had he ball and when they did get it, they hoofed it away.

    So ask yourself, how exactly is it that we didn’t score 4 tries?

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.09.15 13:06:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) :

    Easy – Lionel Cronje…

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.09.15 13:14:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 13) : if not the whole answer, that’s at least 80% of it.

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.09.15 13:23:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • In opinion character only gets tested if you’re up against superior opponents or if you suffered major setbacks in a game that places you at a severe competitive disadvantage. Playing the crusaders with 13 men and winning is a show of character. Not scraping by the kings when you have superior firepower. But I guess that’s the difference between a world class coach and a pretender Mr Gold.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.09.15 14:44:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Well to be fair 60% there was also a severe lack of interest in competing at the breakdown for the whole first half and some bits of second half. Then terrible scrummaging in spots. And maybe right at the end our replacement scrummie did his best to cram in another 5% in the short time he had on field.

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.09.15 14:51:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : @coolfusion (Comment 16) : I agree, I don’t think its fair to pin it all on one guy. In the first half our pack was horrendous and only seem to get going when Thomas came on. Many players were also making a lot of basic handling errors that cost us. Lionel alone is not to blame.

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.09.15 14:58:33 by Another Nick Reply

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  • My mate who is a big Bulls supporter asked me what is up with Gold and all his excuses and silver lining crap when he is not delivering? Easy, he is sticking to the mandate Smit and Venter gave him. Just keep the players happy like we did at Saracens.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.09.15 15:05:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Is there an updated injury list somewhere? When will Lewies Adriaanse van Tonder etc be back?

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.09.15 15:24:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 19) : I’m keeping my own list….

    Lewies, van Tonder, Majola, Mtembu, Marais, Hay all definitely out for the season.

    I’m assuming it’s the same for Adriaanse, but nothing has been confirmed.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.09.15 15:59:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Completely unrelated. Heard anything further regarding Taylor Gentry?

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.09.15 16:04:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Assuming that means Deysel on the shorter term list? Franco Marais is fit correct? Are both Du Preez bros fit? Is Chavanga still a Shark?

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.09.15 16:06:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 21) :

    Think he’s in the Baabaas lineup for this weekend?
    Or maybe im mistaken.

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.09.15 16:06:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 21) : He wont be more than a club player unless they feeling charitable

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.09.15 16:07:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 18) :

    Difference is everything else at Saracens runs incredibly smoothly. So the coaches remit is simply “dont [email protected]£$ it up”.

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.09.15 16:07:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 23) :

    Apologies – seems it was Clever, not Gentry

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.09.15 16:09:58 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : That’s the feeling I got reading one of his most recent interviews. Seemed as though he was heading back to the States. There were a lot of “I’ll miss…” comments in there.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.09.15 16:10:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 27) : If he stuck it out here then mayb in a year or so…but u know what the loose forward factory in SA is like

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.09.15 16:11:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : Deysel short term, I believe. Marais is fit.

    I doubt we’ll see Tonderai on a rugby field again. He doesn’t have enough knees for that.

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.09.15 16:21:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m glad comment number 1 already picked this up. The Sharks simply do not compare themselves with the Pumas.

    Gold is the problem. I’m glad the penny is beginning to drop…

    GOLD OUT!

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.09.15 17:22:16 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Jeepers, but the communication on these things as poor from the Sharks. I never thought I’d say this, but in this I wish that we were more like the Bulls…

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.09.15 17:37:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 13) : @robdylan (Comment 14) : yes please, sure there is a better ten in Sharks country. Play Joe at 10

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.09.15 17:49:08 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • Sad how things turned out – out with Plum – we gonna win SR with Jake – Jake out – all keen for Gary – Gary must go

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.09.15 17:55:23 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 31) : the Sharks believe there is some tactical advantage in not releasing info about injuries.

    I think that’s BS, but they believe it.

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.09.15 18:39:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : :shock:

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.09.15 19:29:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : make no sence and must agree it’s BS especially not giving any info to a friendly site like Sharks world!!!! or they just don’t know as there’s no communication between management and medical staff!!!!!

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.09.15 21:37:25 by JD Reply
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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 33) : sorry, who was “all keen for Gary”?

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.09.15 02:44:55 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 33) : Pierre I belive there was a lot of reservations about Gary. Even from the start. Online polls showed most fans preferred John Mitchell.

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.09.15 06:51:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 38) : problem is no matter how many people prefer someone you can only appoint a person if he’s actually interested in doing the job.
    Everyone is carrying on as if the Sharks has some sort of Carte Blance when it come to appointing a new coach and that any coach will drop everything that he’s doing to grab the opportunity to coach the Sharks!!!!!!! Reality is way deferent as at least 3 top coaches (Mallet, Mitchell and Venter) already declined the job and that’s only three that we know of!!!!!
    Sometimes you must just take what you have and carry on!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.09.15 07:55:45 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 39) : Unfortunately that is also true…

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.09.15 08:10:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 39) : Very true. Plus, I think people are forgetting that the idea with Gold was never to be the head coach for years to come. This was only for the interim until we hopefully find someone like Nollis. Going forward he will be responsible for the structures, development and overseeing the coaching as a whole; not actual hands on coaching like he is doing now. That is why I think he was upset when he was told he was going to coach the CC as well as he was probably looking forward to moving away form the coaching role after SR this year.

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.09.15 09:11:58 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 39) : Didnt say anything about Gold or the constraints in picking a coach, just pointing out the fact that Mitchell was in fact the preferred man from a fan perspective, not Gold. So it’s not a case of fans all on board for Gold and then turn on him, he wasn’t the favourite to start with.

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.09.15 09:35:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : One of the saddest, of many, things about this new improved Sharks administration is how uncommunicative they are.

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.09.15 09:51:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 39) : even Grant Bashford declined the job

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.09.15 09:59:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) : well…. to be fair, this administration is very communicative. It’s just that the communication is generally far too “spin-ny” and a lot of very important details get left out.

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.09.15 10:00:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : On purpose? And if so.. why? :roll:

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.09.15 10:02:16 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 46) : they’ll never say anything that could potentially cast them in a bad light.

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.09.15 10:33:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Well, that I can understand. But keeping info regarding injured players as if its sensitive state security data.. that part is confusing to me. I don’t want to compare us to the Bulls (Don’t want to be THAT guy), but in this case a good example is how they regularly send out an update on their players and injuries. Not sure in what way it affects them.. if you take a quick peek at the current log situation.. ehem

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.09.15 10:40:57 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Mis administration usually requires the most spin doctoring….If there were positives they would be the first to advertise and parade them. So no news is bad news….

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.09.15 10:42:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 48) : precisely

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.09.15 10:59:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • My memory is that there was a lot of reservation and judgment being reserved when Gold was announced. Some disappointment too. The word “journeyman” was bandied about too. Seems we’re simply getting what was expected now… reaping what was sown. How nobody else at the Sharks management could have not had the same reservations is beyond me.

    His track record is appalling and his stint as backs coach for the Divvy Boks did him no favours.

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.09.15 11:49:29 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 51) : he was forwards coach

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.09.15 11:50:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : yes, my bad but same point. Too many rumours with that team that it was not coached and the players ruled the roost. Being connected with that team is not a good CV point, if you know what I mean.

  • Comment 53, posted at 02.09.15 12:17:59 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Until recently I had forgotten that there is actually an official Sharks website. I used to visit there often but as time went on they just became less and less relevant.

  • Comment 54, posted at 02.09.15 12:21:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 53) : Speaking of points, the actual point is that Gold is not meant to be coaching at all – its not what he was employed to do.

  • Comment 55, posted at 02.09.15 12:26:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 55) : well let’s look at the facts then….. he HAS coached the Super team and he IS coaching the Currie Cup team and all evidence at present points to him continuing to do so even while he’s supposedly “disappointed” he can’t do other things. It might not be what he was employed to do but he IS employed to do it now – get it?

    And let’s also be honest with ourselves – do you seriously believe the management were intending for Brad McLeod-Henderson and the other two stooges to have complete free reign with the Super rugby team (with the occasional part time input from Venter)? No, of course not. Gold was always going to be hands on.

  • Comment 56, posted at 02.09.15 12:30:40 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 56) : No I dont get it – is he employed as a coach or as the DOR? Get it.

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.09.15 12:35:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • You fail to get it. You think he’s doing the head coaching out of the kindness of his heart?

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 42) : ja sorry was bit quick on the keyboard this morning. Should have made it a new comment not a reply to your comment. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 59, posted at 02.09.15 12:55:53 by JD Reply
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  • He is doing it because there is no one else to do it – its not what he wants to be doing.

    “It was always my intention to be a Director of Rugby, that was what I understood I was employed to be, but it didn’t work out that way initially for various reasons. I won’t kid anyone, there is a heck of a lot of work that needs to be done, and some of the structures have been neglected and will take time to get right.

    “I need to focus on getting the youth structures right to guarantee the pipeline of talent that a union needs to be successful, and there are already plans we are working on. We need to get the age-group teams to start performing, and next year there will be a lot more effort put into the Vodacom Cup campaign.

    “As director I see it as my role to work with the various coaches employed by the Sharks across all levels to ensure that the style of rugby we want the union to be known for starts coming through and is understood by all the players.”

    Here is the full article from Sport24 http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/Who-will-coach-Sharks-in-2016-20150615

    Got it yet.

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 58) : no he’s not doing it out of kindness but he’s just acting in the post that is currently VACANT!!!
    He’s still the appointed DOR.
    I’m sure that JS was sure that by now they would have had a new coach appointed and that’s why Gold would not have coached the Currie cup side. Things did not go according to plan and that’s why Gold was once again “appointed” as ACTING head coach for the Currie cup.
    All of this does not make him the head coach it makes him the DOR that was acting in the vacant post of head coach!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 02.09.15 13:12:50 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 60) : But, as DoR it would surely form part of his duties to find a new head coach….why hasn’t he?

    Are head coaches unwilling to coach the SHarks, or are they unwilling to coach under Gold as DoR?

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.09.15 13:21:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : Im sure he will have a lot of say as to who eventually is appointed. I really dont know why no appointment has been made yet but I presume that being the main CC coach would be almost a full time occupation as would the DOR post be.

    Ive got a feeling that the Sharks are trying to get an established big name coach but none are available. Gold cant carry on coaching the main teams as the DOR job itself is sorely needed to function properly to get the union to where they want to be.

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.09.15 13:32:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • But what is his de facto role at the union? Head coach. Forget what his contract says that’s a smokescreen. Got it yet?

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.09.15 13:32:36 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • None are available? Eddie Jones just signed for the Stormers!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 02.09.15 13:33:28 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 64) : Geez but you can be obtuse.

  • Comment 66, posted at 02.09.15 13:40:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 65) : What?!!!

    Where did you see that?

  • Comment 67, posted at 02.09.15 13:52:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 67) : It will be confirmed in the near future. He has even come out and said that he wants Victor Matfield to be his forwards coach at the Stormers.

  • Comment 68, posted at 02.09.15 13:59:43 by Ben Reply
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  • Any news on Pieter Rossouw? Where is he going next?

  • Comment 69, posted at 02.09.15 14:01:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 63) : time to give it up……… some people will never know the deference between DOR and head coach!!!!!!!!
    I’m still hoping that Sharks must just wait until the end of the World cup before announcing the new head coach signing.;

  • Comment 70, posted at 02.09.15 14:16:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 70) : As long as there are plans to sing a new international quality coach after the world cup, then I’m quite happy to see the rest of the season out with Gold at the helm.

  • Comment 71, posted at 02.09.15 14:27:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 70) :

    Ok yes, but whether reluctant or not GG is acting Head Coach and he sucks at it, which begs the question, if he sucks as head coach, what gives him the authority to be DOR, in which position he will lead all structures and coaches at the Sharks?

  • Comment 72, posted at 02.09.15 14:32:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • I find it funny that some are trying to defend Gold, who – whether they like it or not – IS acting as head coach, on the basis that he was hired for another role of DoR. Well lump it chaps, he IS head coach now, nobody else, and that doesn’t mean he has some marginal excuse for the team’s dismal performance.

  • Comment 73, posted at 02.09.15 14:36:35 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 72) : very good question, a question I have asked before. As there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever from his time at the Sharks or any other coaching role he has had that he makes a good coach why the confidence he will be any better as DoR?…

  • Comment 74, posted at 02.09.15 14:38:05 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 72) : @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 74) : I agree.

  • Comment 75, posted at 02.09.15 14:52:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 72) : @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 74) : And I think we need to take a long hard look at our CEO.

  • Comment 76, posted at 02.09.15 14:52:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 72) : @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 73) : not defending anyone and yes it seems as if Gold is struggling at the moment. I just can’t see the Sharks attracting a quality Head coach (and players) with all the hiring and firing going on at the moment.
    There’s almost zero consistency and stability in the coaching structures and I for one think this will also have an impact on the performance of the team.
    For me the Sharks should appoint a new head coach and let Gold do the job of DOR. Don’t think he is appointed for 100 years so give him a chance and lets see what he can do.

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.09.15 14:55:27 by JD Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 73) : Ive never been a Gold praise singer but I as sure as hell am not going to be rabid in my criticism of him considering that from the word go he has been behind the q ball and is clearly itching to sink his teeth into what he was employed to do.

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.09.15 14:55:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I wonder if it was coincidental that Dick Muir and Edward Griffiths were at Kings Park during the Lions game and that they were picked up and shown on TV.

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  • @JD (Comment 77) : We’ve already seen what he can do as the Super Rugby and Currie Cup coach. I don’t need to see any more.

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  • @JD (Comment 77) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) : Let’s say for example, in a company the head coach position is the equivalent of being a supervisor. And let’s say the DoR position is the equivalent of being a manager. How on earth will you succeed as a manager if you suck at being a supervisor? :roll:

  • Comment 81, posted at 02.09.15 15:05:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 81) : What are the duties of a DoR?

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 82) : What are the duties of a manager?

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  • @Ben (Comment 83) : Ag nephew, show some respect for Salmo, he is the same age as your uncle after all. :razz: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 02.09.15 15:20:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 83) : Those who can not play coach, those who can not coach direct and those that can not direct administrate. ;-)

  • Comment 85, posted at 02.09.15 15:21:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 81) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 82) : Im certainly no fan of Gold, BUT the argument that his lack of ability as coach means he will automatically fail as DoR is patently ridiculous. After all, how many brilliant players have gone on to be appalling coaches (Kevin Putt, Hugh Reece-Edwards) and conversely, how many poor/average players have gone on to excel at coaching (Steve Hansen)?

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.09.15 15:24:48 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 82) : @Ben (Comment 83) : OK, I will answer for both of you. A coach coaches, a DoR directs rugby, a supervisor supervises and a manager manages. Sheez is it that hard to get??? :mrgreen: :lol: And yes, everyone here needed an injection of humour regardless how poor!

  • Comment 87, posted at 02.09.15 15:25:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 82) : But to answer your question. Development of coaches, implementing a philosophy throughout all teams, oversee player development, recruitment, provide succession plans, report and make recommendations about initiatives that need to be implemented, set behavioural standard policies, be aware of all administrative processes, etc. Basically DoR is a fancy name for a manager.

  • Comment 88, posted at 02.09.15 15:27:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 86) : I know I am way better at getting others to do the work than actually doing it myself. Maybe GG has the same wonderful attribute. ;-) :mrgreen:

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 84) : :)

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  • @Ben (Comment 90) : That’s better, you were so serious, I missed my nephews smiling face. ;-)

  • Comment 91, posted at 02.09.15 15:32:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 86) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 89) : And what suggests that he WILL succeed as DoR?

  • Comment 92, posted at 02.09.15 15:34:31 by Ben Reply
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  • Well not to defend or accuse anyone but Jake sat with the same pickle. Our CEO should have learned from that and first gotten a very competent head coach then started shopping for a D.O.R. kill the immediate operational requirements before filling the administration al. Then any new DOR doesn’t have to worry about keeping the lights on while sorting out structure. If Smit wants to do himself and Gary a huge favor this would be first on the list and receiving 100% of the attention and be prepared to make concessions like huge amounts of freedom and be open to new guys restructuring if that’s required by him.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 91) : I haven’t had biltong in quite a while. It’s hard to smile nowadays. ;)

  • Comment 94, posted at 02.09.15 15:36:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 81) : look I’m really getting bored with this whole thing so here’s my final comment on this matter:
    A Head coach works with the players to get playing structures etc. in place so that his team can perform on the field. This is done in conjunction with all the assistant coaches. Your main focus is on the players in your team e.g. Currie cup, under 21′s, etc.
    DOR of rugby is there to oversee the coaches. His main work is to ensure that there is continuity in the coaching structures from under 19 to under 21 to Vodacom cup to Currie cup to Super rugby. He must ensure that like certain motor manufactures has styling trades that runs through all there models so that you can see it’s on of their cars without even looking at the badge that all the Sharks teams play in a similar style or format so to ensure a smooth transition of players from one team to the next as they move through the structures.
    This is what I think the main focus of the two jobs are so I can be wrong but as I see it it’s to totally different jobs with totally different credentials needed to perform it successfully!

  • Comment 95, posted at 02.09.15 15:36:51 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 92) : Like I said if he has that wonderful attribute of being much better at getting others to coach well than coaching well himself. :mrgreen: See there is a always a silver lining………unfortunately those silver linings always have a touch of grey (thanks Grateful Dead).

  • Comment 96, posted at 02.09.15 15:37:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I really wouldnt be surprised to see the Sharks appoint a Head Coach from within for Super rugby and if/when Gold moves into the DOR position. We are yet to have a DOR…White was meant to then he coached, same with Gold…i sense a pattern here

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  • @JD (Comment 95) : JD boet…..you also need an injection of humour…….It can be fun to think about how GG can be a much better DOR than coach… :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 98, posted at 02.09.15 15:38:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 97) : Gold’s going to Montpelier????? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 99, posted at 02.09.15 15:39:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 99) : I just don’t think that is the pattern he is referring to. :lol:

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  • @JD (Comment 95) : Sorry that I couldn’t make my comment more entertaining for you.

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  • @Ben (Comment 101) : But entertaining you wasn’t the purpose of my comment.

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  • @Ben (Comment 94) : Jislaaik nephew I’m sorry….I can even get kosher biltong here!

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  • @Ben (Comment 102) : :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 104, posted at 02.09.15 15:43:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 99) : We can hope. Can’t we? :)

  • Comment 105, posted at 02.09.15 15:43:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 99) : But I still don’t think Gold is our main concern. John Smit needs a stern talking to! Mediocrity and the Sharks don’t belong in a sentence together. John has put these two together.

  • Comment 106, posted at 02.09.15 15:46:22 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 86) : well Gold was DoR at Bath and was asked to leave. So…. see a pattern here?…

  • Comment 107, posted at 02.09.15 15:47:42 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 106) : Yes, you are of course completely right nephew, but you still need some entertainment…..

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 98) : ;-)

  • Comment 109, posted at 02.09.15 15:49:39 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 101) : not you’re comment it’s the whole “let’s fire another coach” thing!!!!! :sad:

  • Comment 110, posted at 02.09.15 15:51:12 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 106) : But if you have to be serious, then to bring up something seriously unpopular, you have to look at the work of Strooli, he built incredible depth in almost every position in the Union, and as soon as he left, that depth all started leaving, and now the front line players are leaving. Yes the blame must be placed on the current administration, but credit must be given to what Strooli did, especially in light of how far the Lions union has come since he went there. Not a popular man, but incredibly effective within the rugby structures.

  • Comment 111, posted at 02.09.15 15:52:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 106) : now that’s were we need to start!!!!!!!!! JS must catch a wakeup!!!!

  • Comment 112, posted at 02.09.15 15:53:04 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 106) : Because let’s be honest. He most likely appointed Gary because they are buddies. Gary’s track record is definitely not something to write home about, so it couldn’t have been that.

  • Comment 113, posted at 02.09.15 15:55:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 113) : Is it possible that very few people can sign and retain talent like Strooli seems able to do?

  • Comment 114, posted at 02.09.15 15:57:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 110) : I’m just yanking your chain.

  • Comment 115, posted at 02.09.15 15:57:35 by Ben Reply
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  • And for the record, I always thought Strooli did a superb job for the Sharks both as coach and in other positions he held, his stint as Bok coach was horrible, but people never let that go.

  • Comment 116, posted at 02.09.15 15:59:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 111) : I agree.

  • Comment 117, posted at 02.09.15 15:59:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 114) : So my beef is with Gold. But more so with John because John brought Gold in.

  • Comment 118, posted at 02.09.15 16:02:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 116) : He is a hardass. But that seems like the way it should be done. This buddy system certainly isn’t working.

  • Comment 119, posted at 02.09.15 16:03:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 119) : Smit should have retained Strooli. The problems at the Sharks were within the financial structure, not the rugby structure in my opinion. If he had sorted out the financial side as he did with a R20 million surplus last year, can you imagine what Strooli could have done with an additional R20 million to sign players with?

  • Comment 120, posted at 02.09.15 16:06:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 115) : ja boet figured it out eventually!

  • Comment 121, posted at 02.09.15 16:11:01 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 119) : Even with the Bulls superb Super Rugby performances during Strooli’s time with the Sharks, the foreign teams still considered the Sharks to be the toughest SA opposition, certainly when on tour, year in and year out.

    I believe that with the right rugby structures in place, and the improved financial management, the Sharks would have taken that final hurdle with Plum at the helm, and Strooli directing and signing talent.

  • Comment 122, posted at 02.09.15 16:11:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • This BBC article deals with

    * Gold being replaced as coach of Bath after ‘lacklustre’ results
    * He was shifted to DoR
    * His replacement coach started seeing immediate results
    * However Gold was told he was no longer required as DoR

    Reading between the lines…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/25307735

  • Comment 123, posted at 02.09.15 16:12:44 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 120) : They aren’t buddies. That’s the problem.

  • Comment 124, posted at 02.09.15 16:14:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 84) : You tell him boet. :mrgreen: :lol:

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 120) : wow R20 mil! Wonder how much it will be now that Frans, Jannie, Bismarck and Alberts are gone!!!!

  • Comment 126, posted at 02.09.15 16:15:26 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 124) : So I know that is a sarcastic response based on the perceived notion that Smit only hires his buddies, but Strooli made Smit a captain in 2003 with the Boks, then when he came back from England to the Sharks, he continued to sign Smit, and when Smit came back from France, Strooli signed him again, why the animosity, they seemed able to work together when Smit was a player.

  • Comment 127, posted at 02.09.15 16:18:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 125) : kids nowadays…..just no respect for their superior elders. ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 128, posted at 02.09.15 16:20:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 127) : Same goes for Plum, doesn’t it?

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 128) : How I wish I was still a kid. ;)

  • Comment 130, posted at 02.09.15 16:23:46 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 124) : Maybe Smit was cross because when Strooli was Sharks coach he though Van Biljon was a better hooker and quite often started with him ahead of Smit???? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 131, posted at 02.09.15 16:24:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 127) : ja but now JS was the boss…….. who knows what happens in the boardrooms?!?!?! and those that know does not say a thing!!!!!

  • Comment 132, posted at 02.09.15 16:24:36 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 129) : I maintain that Smit was just looking at other coaching options, until Mallet blew everything by going public. I don’t think there was much to the stories about personal animosity between the men. My opinion.

  • Comment 133, posted at 02.09.15 16:25:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 131) : that’s the thing van Biljon was a better hooker…. especially his left hook was devastating in bar fights!!

  • Comment 134, posted at 02.09.15 16:27:08 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 132) : So who knows, maybe Plum and Strooli could not stand working “for” John instead of having him work for them.

  • Comment 135, posted at 02.09.15 16:27:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 133) : I think you’re right.

  • Comment 136, posted at 02.09.15 16:27:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 134) : He was a world class wrestler, more like take you down in the bar fight and destroy your face with a headbutt.

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  • @JD (Comment 134) : :)

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  • @JD (Comment 95) : So would the head coach then decide the playing style and just tell the DOR to make sure everyone else is playing like this, or does the DOR have some kind of input on this?

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 137) : don’t know about his fighting ability but he was a seriously talented hooker that never lived up to it. Sad indeed.

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  • @Ben (Comment 136) : With all due respect to Plum, you just can not compare his credentials with the Sharks to a coach like Mallet, so one can not really blame Smit for exploring that option. Unfortunately JS has been scrambling since then, including his signing of Jake White.

  • Comment 141, posted at 02.09.15 16:32:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 139) : look can’t say for sure that’s how it works but that’s how I understood the two positions, as for who decides the playing style that I really don’t know.

  • Comment 142, posted at 02.09.15 16:35:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 140) : He actually was also a very talented wrestler and that was at one point a consideration for him, as some felt he could be successful at the international and olympic level. Strooli actually made some comments that he wanted John working with van Biljon on wrestling as he felt it made van Biljon a much better scrummager.

  • Comment 143, posted at 02.09.15 16:35:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 141) : so basically JS also feels like a fireman because his whole day is taken up by putting out “fires”?!?!?!

  • Comment 144, posted at 02.09.15 16:37:32 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 142) : I refer you to my older comment. @Ben (Comment 88) :

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  • @Letgo (Comment 139) : For a DOR and Coach to be successful together, they must have an agreement on what the playing style they would like to implement within the Union. How they come to that agreement is a personal dynamic between the two and I imagine is a little different with each pairing. The Coach may be forced to coach a different style initially at the highest level based on the talent available to him, but the DOR should implement the style through all junior levels and work to contract the players that fit in with that style. It is not a simple one or the other, there are many factors involved.

  • Comment 146, posted at 02.09.15 16:39:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 143) : van Biljon had some serious “mongrel” in him. He was a beast of a player and in some ways Bissy really reminds me of him!
    Really liked him as a player.

  • Comment 147, posted at 02.09.15 16:40:45 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 146) : Well, I can’t think of any world class coach that would want to come in and work under Gary Gold. :roll:

  • Comment 148, posted at 02.09.15 16:43:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 144) : I think JS has been forced into making decisions that seem good at the moment without much thought for the future. We as supporters don’t help with the pressure we pile on daily for a quick fix. Again, just my opinion.

  • Comment 149, posted at 02.09.15 16:43:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 148) : Context dear nephew context. I was providing a theoretical example of what it would take for a DoR and Coach to be successful working together. At no point did I imply any relations whatsoever to the current Sharks situation. I should have made that disclaimer in my earlier post. ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 150, posted at 02.09.15 16:45:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 150) : Wasn’t accusing you. Just making a point.

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  • @Ben (Comment 151) : Right now I would settle for a good coach, not necessarily a world class one.

  • Comment 152, posted at 02.09.15 16:49:43 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 152) : I can’t think of a good coach that would want to work under Gary either.

  • Comment 153, posted at 02.09.15 16:53:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 153) : Nephew listen to your wise old uncle….It is a wonderful world, anything is possible. :mrgreen: :lol: Frans Steyn has even had a good game at 10 before. ;-)

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 154) : When did that happen? :shock: :)

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  • @Ben (Comment 155) : a long long time ago in the pouring rain in Cape town.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 154) : ja think it’s about time you lay down the law!!!! ;-P

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 66) : :mrgreen:

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 66) : I hadn’t noticed… :lol:

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) : I would also be more than happy to sing for a new coach if he is quality… :mrgreen:

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  • @Ben (Comment 81) : Look, I will say this: your argument only works if head coaches and DoR’s do similar stuff with the DoR just a level up. I suspect, though, that this is probably not the case. DoR looks very much at structures, something the head coach hardly does in this setup. The DoR does have a responsibility to co-ordinate game plans over all levels…there your argument would be valid – is Gary the right guy for that if he is clearly struggling with game plan as head coach. Fair question. However, the DoR is (likely) sufficiently different from head coach in my head that I would be prepared to give Gary a chance to show what he can do there if we have a quality head coach…

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  • @Ben (Comment 94) : I have some biltong for you right here…come on over…or I can send you a pic… :lol:

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  • I think it’s silly to suggest that an entire union would have a single playing style or a single game plan across all teams. Surely each team must be able to adapt to the game and opponents on a week by week basis? This suggests an ability to shift gears and tactics. To win consistently you need to do this otherwise other teams – especially those canny New Zealanders and Aussies – will figure you out in a few games!

    So can we please stop with this nonsense that it is a DoR’s role to implement a single game plan across the entire union?

    I want my teams to be intelligent and to think on their feet and be unpredictable to opponents.

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  • To all the Straeuli comments: Look the guy has shown his worth at the Lions and (with hindsight) at the Sharks…just don’t forgot that there was also much legitimate dissatisfaction with Straeuli at the time (including on here)…remember, this is the guy who brought us gems like Marius Joubert!!

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 146) : Good comment…

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  • @JD (Comment 156) : Wasn’t the pouring rain in Durban?

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  • For example the u19 and u21 teams may want to pursue different primary playing styles based on the different playing personnel available to them each year. Perhaps the u21s have exceptional backs one year but the u19s have exceptional forward strength? Why would any union want to pigeon hole every team within the union to one predictable playing style (other than to provide a conveyor belt)? No, each team and each team’s coach should be far smarter than that. We are not developing robots.

  • Comment 167, posted at 02.09.15 20:52:32 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Pathetic.

  • Comment 168, posted at 02.09.15 21:24:49 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 166) : I’m reasonably sure it was Cape town.

  • Comment 169, posted at 02.09.15 21:26:05 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 169) : Nope…King’s Park! Here’s a good write up about Frans Steyn including that particular story…
    http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/Sharks-need-Frans-Steyn-to-be-a-match-winner-against-the-Crusaders

  • Comment 170, posted at 02.09.15 21:34:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 170) : OK thanx.

  • Comment 171, posted at 02.09.15 21:56:27 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 171) : :lol:

  • Comment 172, posted at 02.09.15 22:00:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 153) : LOL, you know all good coaches personally or are you reading minds now? Please enlighten us as to how you came to this conclusion.

  • Comment 173, posted at 02.09.15 22:23:59 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 164) : I have to say Pastor I was not one of those to bash Strooli when he was with the Sharks, yes he made some mistakes like Joubert, Epi, Goode, etc, but if you look at the whole picture he did a whole lot more good than harm for the Sharks. When he was here the front row depth was incredible, and second row as well. We had 5 scrum halfs that all had potential to the highest level. The thing that bothered me most about that whole situation is that he was quiet, just went about his job, didn’t interject himself into the spotlight, yet so many were simply unable to forgive him for Staaldraad.

  • Comment 174, posted at 03.09.15 00:28:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 162) : :twisted:

  • Comment 175, posted at 03.09.15 02:42:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 161) : That’s the problem. Which quality coach would want to work under Gary? He projects mediocrity.

  • Comment 176, posted at 03.09.15 02:43:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 173) : Just my opinion.

  • Comment 177, posted at 03.09.15 02:45:08 by Ben Reply
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  • I think if it’s run like business then a director is trusted by a ceo to run his area without interference or input on a technical or operational level. He just ensures it follows the agreed strategic direction of the company is in line with constraints like budget and has no glaring flaws. The director applies the same kind of thing with his general manager or head coach just with more detail in discussions to ensure compliance etc. The general manager however is a lot more hands on operationally and gets direct operational feedback and makes tactical decisions with his team and course corrects according to set strategic goals. So no I don’t think DOR will have too much to do with game style with each coach. Just my view of a hierarchy.

  • Comment 178, posted at 03.09.15 05:57:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 174) : I hear you…and it is certainly clear now how much Straeuli brings with him. I’m just trying to point out that his departure did not just come out of the blue as some crazy decision that just had to do with the whims of a CEO…there were certainly rumblings re: Straeuli…and it did not just have to do Kamp Staaldraad but with specific aspects of how he ran things…

  • Comment 179, posted at 03.09.15 06:50:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 176) : Well, we’ll see…the actual appointment of a head coach should go a long way towards telling us if you’re right about that…

  • Comment 180, posted at 03.09.15 06:52:51 by pastorshark Reply
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