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Reinach returns behind unchanged Sharks pack


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 3 Sep 2015 at 10:10
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Gary Gold has made just two injury-enforced backline changes to his team after last week’s laboured win over the EP Kings in Port Elizabeth. Bok scrumhalf Cobus Reinach will start in the number 9 jersey against the Pumas at Kings Park on Saturday.

Injury has removed both Michael Claassens and Odwa Ndungane from the selection frame this week; in the former case Reinach’s return from Springbok duty is timely and he slots straight in, with Stefan Ungerer again on the bench. Wandile Mjekevu, who has turned in some rather uninspiring play at centre this season, start ats right wing for Ndungane, who is out withe a rib injury.

Thomas du Toit is again on the bench, with Dale Chadwick and Gerhard Engelbrecht backed to deliver an improved scrumming performance this week. The bench is largely untouched, bar the inclusion of Heimar Williams in the number 21 jersey.

Sharks: 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Wandile Mjekevu, 13 Paul Jordaan, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 S’bura Sithole, 10 Lionel Cronje, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Daniel du Preez, 6 Francois Kleinhans, 5 Marco Wentzel (captain), 4 Etienne Oosthuizen, 3 Gerhard Engelbrecht, 2 Monde Hadebe, 1 Dale Chadwick.
Replacements: 16 Kyle Cooper, 17 Thomas du Toit, 18 JC Astle, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Stefan Ungerer, 21 Heimar Williams, 22 Garth April



55 Comments

  • Not much to say, consistent at least. I am going to the game so hope to see some entertaining but more importantly winning rugby.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.09.15 10:15:50 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Anyone else feel that Andre goes a little quiet at 12? It’s not a case of him playing badly but it just seemed that he had more influence playing wing? Am I missing the plot here?

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.09.15 10:18:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 1) : yeh i agree, not too much to say about the selection other than he is backing consistency and the guys to gel and develop. Our tight 5 need to come to the party and our backline need to improve their technical running with the ball. As ive said on other posts the Sharks are so predictable at the moment its scary so unless we cough up something new i cant see the Pumas struggling here unless they have many injuries?

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.09.15 10:21:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : Yea I wanted to see him given more time at wing, problem is we are low on good inside centers.

    Steyn was a big loss IMO.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.09.15 10:21:39 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Glad to see Heimar back.

    I understand backing young players, but Hanco Venter surely deserves a game or two ahead of Ungerer. Let him show what he’s got. If it’s not worth backing him over Ungerer … well, then hopefully there is a good prospect in the junior ranks.

    I’m also glad to see Astle back from his injury. And hopefully Kyle can find his mojo again.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.09.15 10:22:54 by Letgo Reply
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  • Ek is nie so seker wat om te se of te vra nie so ek sal maar net mooi vra dat die manne die Sharkstrui sal respekteur en trots sal wees om vir die Sharks te speel en te wys hulle kan saam praat met die beste. Go Sharks Go ons is agter julle.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.09.15 10:32:41 by Leon Schrenk Reply

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  • I get a cold shiver when I think of the prospect of Reinarch and Cronje,steering this team.
    The coaches must be blind if they cannot see the potential pitfalls in this combination.
    Reinarch is a maverick and answers to his own drum,Cronje is a confidence player who looses it as quickly as he gains it.He thrives in a stable predictable environment. Reinarch is going to turn him into a jibbering wreck in ten minutes.
    Why not move the experience Joe into the ten jersey,if you are determined to give this guy a run.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.09.15 10:35:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 7) : I’m going to wait until after the game to agree with you, in the interests of at least giving them a fair shake.

    Let it be known, though, that I share your concerns.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.09.15 10:37:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : With Claasens out and Ungerer looking like he is playing drunk im not sure they had many other options. Seems as though they want to go with consistency this campaign hence not many other changes which is fair enough but there is only so long u can back guys before its a lost cause. Hadebe, Chadwick,Oosthuizen, Cronje, Mjekevu, Ungerer all pretty lucky to still make the match day side.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.09.15 10:42:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Yes I rest mine too,because Reinarch will probably score two brilliant solo trys against the run of play that won’t involve any other player,and win theme for us.
    My ideal line up and I promise I will leave long before I am crucified here.
    Joe at 10,Paul Jordaan at15,Claasens at 9,and Reinarch on the wing.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.09.15 10:44:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 7) : Very good point. I think that’s why Lambie and Reinach work. Lambie is solid under any pressure you throw at him, allowing Reinach to go wild.

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.09.15 10:44:25 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 10) : While I see the logic, my personal belief is that in todays rugby wings need to be as big as they are fast to keep the ball in play. Also Reinach has an unbelievable knack for finding gaps around the break down.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.09.15 10:47:59 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Ek sou dink as die spelers op die vlak speel moet hulle bymekaar kan aanpas en met mekaar kommunikeer/praat en beplan. Om vooraf te se dit of dat gaan nie werk is so goed jy het klaar verloor – dinge het nie goed gegaan tot nou maar kom ons wys die manne ons vertrou hulle. Daar is ander probleme by die top manne wat of reg of weg moet kom.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.09.15 10:49:50 by Leon Schrenk Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 10) : And ur centres? and ur thinking behind selections? im intrigued

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.09.15 10:55:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 12) : Some body forgot to :lol: :lol: tell Miner Skude that

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.09.15 10:55:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 10) : Not a terrible idea. Who do we select at 13 though? Sithole would be my preference.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.09.15 10:57:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 16) : Yes and Esterhuizen at 13,

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.09.15 11:02:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 17) : Sorry Meant Esterhuizen at 12

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.09.15 11:04:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : 175cm/84Kgs vs 180/90 Plus Skudder has been playing there is whole life. Add the completely different NZ rugby culture and upbringing you have chalk and cheese. Also majority of the other NZ wings are big.

    I hate the whole ‘size is the be all and end all’ argument just the same as you, but in this case I think it is important.

    Not saying it couldn’t work, there have been some great small wings eg. Shane Williams.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.09.15 11:19:32 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 18) : So Claasens, Pieterson, Reinach, Esterhuizen, Sithole, Jordaan…yeh i can see the thinking there

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.09.15 11:20:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : Sad to say but at the moment I can not see any 12 have a lot of “influence” in a game whilst playing next to Cronje!!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.09.15 11:50:25 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : hahaha ja boet but remember this is SA where bigger is not better it’s the only way to go!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.09.15 11:55:02 by JD Reply
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  • Not sure how come Cronje is at 10 ahead of Joe P…

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.09.15 12:19:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : Having played at wing center and fullback myself I can tell you wing is the best place to find expression and flair. Long term I do think Andre will make a great center if we give him time to learn good ball skill running angles and lines without the immediate pressure that surrounds a center. If you are suggesting he spend a season at wing, I second that any day.

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.09.15 12:29:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I don’t get why as supporters of a team with a history of moving players, often with very questionable benefits for their own careers, you’d want to do it to two of our brighter young players – one of them a Springbok. Positions aren’t interchangeable – and even short-term, I don’t know how you’d get a defensive system to work like that. Even Lambie, who’s done well at 15, has occasionally got caught out positionally when he’s played there after a run at 10 imo…

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.09.15 12:37:12 by JR Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 21) : Valid point

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.09.15 12:42:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 23) : that a really good question………… think only Gold knows the answer.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.09.15 12:44:48 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 24) : The question is more driven by curiosity than it is by wanting to see him play somewhere else. Is it a case of Cronje on his inside as JD suggested or does he prefer the wing perhaps? I just found it interesting that he seemed to find more work on the wing than he did at 12 which is usually not the norm for Sharks wings (bar Odwa).

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.09.15 12:49:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Dan Carter, Beaudon Barrett, Colin Slade, Ben Smith are all examples of New Zealand players that have been moved around and havnt become useless ‘utility’ players. The fact that Barrett,Smith and Slade can all play 15 and wing cost Dagg and Cory Jane their WC spots. I think we are quick to blame a coach for moving a player and not the players own crap performance. Yes have a preferred position u are good at but if u are no good at any other position chances are u will miss out on some team selections

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.09.15 13:02:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 28) : I think its because at 12 he is required to catch it and smash into the nearest guy and set up a ruck. At wing he can join in wherever and run into the space etc. So yes Cronje may just shovel sometimes, but its also the role he is required to play in diff positions.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.09.15 13:04:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 25) : Depends on the position and who you are. I would say Matt Giteau Pat Lambie Larkham Mort lock all disprove your theory.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.09.15 13:22:09 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 31) : Did u forget Dan Carter, Beaudon Barrett, Ben Smith, Cory Jane…

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.09.15 13:25:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 28) : My answer driven more by what I think will help him grow into an intuitive player. We and I include myself have often said he is one dimensional a crash test dummy and Heimar outplays him at being to create and exploit space so why not allow him to learn about running without the pressure? I would play him at wing and Heimar at inside center for now. Cronje may be better at fullback than flyhalf at the moment but if April can play fullback who better to run alongside than a big carrier?

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.09.15 13:29:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : Nope but there too many to mention. Freddie Butch Brent Russell. …

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.09.15 13:31:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : Yup I agree and at wing he can learn how to run intelligently. Once he has a head for spaces with some flair and handling he can challenge de Allende and serfontein any day.

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.09.15 13:34:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 35) : Anything that gets away from the traditional crash it up at 12 game plan im keen for

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.09.15 13:43:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 33) : Some good points raised. As Sheldon mentions, if it gets us out of our 1 demensional rut then why not?

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.09.15 14:07:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 34) :

    Adam-Ashley Coope, Christian Cullen, Mils Muliaina, Juan Martín Hernández, AJ Venter, Johnny Wilkinson, Kurtley Beale, James Hook, Jamie Roberts, Frans Steyn, Morgan Parra, Danie Rossouw, Adam Thomson, Courtney Lawes, Jacques Potgieter, Matt Toomua, Jean De Villiers, Doen Fourie, Stefan Terblanche, Lionel Mapoe.

    These are all guys who switches between.

    Midfield/Outside backs
    Midfield/Halfbacks
    Halfbacks/Outside backs
    Loose Forwards/Locks

    Not to mention guys that can play either side of the scrum, in all three loosie positions,both midfield positions, or all outside back positions.

    I think sometimes guys are just being shuffled around, because you don’t know where else to use them, if it’s like Adam-Ashley Cooper, who seems to be the first name down on the Australian team sheet (regardless of what position he plays), it’s a little different, that simply using a guy to fill a gap.

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.09.15 14:13:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 37) : What will get us out would be a genius SA backline coach or any other non-sa backline coach. Over here there is but one strategy select a monster in midfield and crash into or through.

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.09.15 14:15:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 38) : Showoff. …

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.09.15 14:16:57 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Oh dear. Claasens and Odwa out injured : :sad:

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.09.15 14:20:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 39) : If i was an opposition coach i would be aware that the Sharks create a ruck after 1 or 2 passes at most- so thats where id ask my loosies to target turnovers. The Sharks carry the ball high into contact so chances of creating a maul and turnover in possession is high there too- they dont have the best scrum so can get good reward there too. On defense dont rush up and just allow them to shift the ball to their wing where we can gang tackle. Attacking against them requires moving the ball left and right a few times and space will open up for the inside pass. 1 or 2 dummy runners will easily fix their midfield to create space out wide for us. Sharks line speed is slow so a few pick and drives with off loads will get them well back past the advantage line and they are very susceptible to being pinged for offside.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.09.15 14:21:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : Dear Lord man, I hope there’s no internet in Nelspruit :shock: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.09.15 14:48:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 43) : There barely is in Durban and we are sponsored by Cell C…

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.09.15 14:58:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 44) : And which position should Brent Russel have stayed in?

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.09.15 14:59:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : don’t forget to tell the tight head to just keep his bind then the Sharks loose head will screw up and you will get the penalty!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.09.15 15:24:40 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 46) : Well like the soccer refs run around with the shaving cream to mark a free kick , rugby refs should run around with that sticky stuff and spray the props hands before a scrum

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.09.15 15:36:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : …and Cell C has the worst connectivity of them all :x

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.09.15 15:47:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : Mayb thats why we havnt been able to phone and buy better players… ;)

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.09.15 15:54:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : Nah telkom wins on worst signal cell c on bad data.

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.09.15 17:16:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • On mobile that is.

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.09.15 17:17:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Well I’m tired of this Lionel Cronje guy now. He does absolutely nothing for our backline. Estherhuizen sets a brilliant target with that power and siz, he gets over the advantage line with ease when the number 10 is of sum talent at all. Paul Jordaan is an amazing strike runner with lightning pace and a deadly step. None of these players are able to use their talents with Cronje. Its clear to me that Gold is not yet willing to call up Inny Radebe to the senior side as yet, if thats the case, why not give Heimar a go at 10, the guy has brilliant distribution. Im sure he will do better than Cronje.

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.09.15 19:39:04 by AYA11 Reply

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  • ohw yes, by the way im still touched about the whole Reinach &Coetzee Springbok situation. I dont see the logic behind picking players for a good number of tests. They start games, they star in those games, even win you games. Then suddenly you drop them for the worldCup. I apolologize for my language but it must be said Meyer is a Doos

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.09.15 19:52:40 by AYA11 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : hahaha ja maybe that will work.

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.09.15 07:22:49 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : ja boet :twisted:

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