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Sharks fourth at halfway point


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 7 Sep 2015 at 09:29
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Five rounds into this year’s Currie Cup competition, the Sharks find themselves in fourth spot on the overall competition log, thanks in no small part to a scrappy, yet dogged, 27-26 win over the Pumas at Kings Park on Saturday.

With the competition split into two sections, the Sharks have played home and away against the EP Kings and the Pumas, recording three wins out of those four fixtures. While Saturday’s narrow home win over the men from Nelspruit is a far cry from the sort of result we would typically expect against a “minnow” side in Currie Cup, we must at least applaud the fact that the team recorded a narrow win, rather than another embarrassing loss to these opponents. Neither victory against the EP Kings was at all convincing either and it’s safe to say the Sharks have yet to put together anything resembling a complete performance in this year’s competition.

The only match to date against top tier opposition came in round 3, when the Sharks succumbed to a bonus-point defeat to the Lions in Durban. If that game was the true litmus test of the team’s readiness for the tough games to follow, then there is justifiable cause for concern from fans. While questions continue to be raised on this forum regarding the ongoing lack of cohesion and intensity – not to mention plethora of silly mistakes from the side – it’s the attitude of paying fans in Durban, who turn up in steadily dwindling numbers each week, that should give team management the real wake up call.

The second half of the competition is only going to get harder; with an away match against the Lions still to come and Western Province and the Bulls heading to Kings Park on either side of that fixture, the Sharks probably shouldn’t bank on too many more wins – scrappy or otherwise – in the coming three weeks unless they improve markedly. Away games against the out-of-sorts Griquas and unpredictable Cheetahs complete the roster; the Sharks really need to pick up wins in at least four of those five games in order to finish within semi-final contention and return a passable 7-from-10 win ratio.



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  • Yeah look, the Cheetahs look to have an easier run in than we do…and I’m sure we’ll have to beat them in Bloem if we want to make the semis (if we are still in contention at that stage)…

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.09.15 09:50:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Agreed Rob, after Saturday’s showing i dont hold out too much hope for us securing many wins from the stronger unions going into the next few weeks.

    Whats more concerning is sitting in an ever emptier Kings Park stadium. This not surprising given the type of rugby that is being offered and the shenanigans happening behind the scenes.

    Good thing that we have the World Cup to look forward to, and hope that during this time there can be some real turnarounds in the local rugga scene.

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.09.15 09:54:44 by stevovo Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 2) : Guys, I know there are many complaints regarding attendance…but did anybody watch all the games this weekend? I didn’t see the Bulls game so can’t comment about that…but the rest were all poorly attended. Newlands was unbelievably empty…so much so that my 8-year old kept commenting about it! Seems to me it is a general Currie Cup problem…which will only get worse if they do move the Currie Cup parallel to Super Rugby…

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.09.15 10:01:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 2) : buddy did you see scotland play france? Boks are in trouble big time

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.09.15 10:11:27 by Poisy Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 3) : Yes, fair point, I did notice that is some of the games I got to glance at. Really hope they dont undermine the CC by running it parallal to SR, it will basically become the Vodacom cup!

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.09.15 10:22:31 by stevovo Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 4) : Nope, didn’t get to see it, but yes a number of teams are really looking strong and hope the boks will be up for it

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.09.15 10:23:44 by stevovo Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 3) : Take into account the weather and the times that those other, games were played especially the Lions game,and then contrast that with the perfect weather and absolutely magnificent rugby watching conditions at 3 o clock on Saturday at K.P.
    AND you are comparing Steve Hoffmeyer with Elvis,yes they are both singers.

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.09.15 10:32:16 by The hound Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 4) : Yeah…Scotland looked really good…and would have got a draw against France if they hadn’t taken the conscious decision to tap the last penalty and go for the win rather than take the easy kick for the draw…

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.09.15 10:33:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 7) : Easy Tiger…just pointing out that the problem is not just the Sharks…the fundamental problem regarding the Currie Cup and attendance also plays its role…

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.09.15 10:36:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 8) : I am holding my breath for the group stages the boks really need to up they game. If scotland plays like that against us it might come down to kicking for posts and I don’t trust pollards kicking in a tight game

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.09.15 10:43:02 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 7) : And re: the Steve and Elvis thing…to be fair I made no comment at all about the relative quality of the teams (or singers)…I merely pointed out that a quality team being watched by no one and a crap team being watched by no one…well, it points to a fundamental issue regarding the Currie Cup’s ability to draw crowds…

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.09.15 10:45:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 10) : Luckily Lambie will be kicking… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.09.15 10:46:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • ja going to be hard for the Sharks to make the playoff games!!!!!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.09.15 10:47:18 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 7) : And by the way…for some people 3pm on a Saturday is not an ideal time to watch rugby. I live in a community of farmers who regularly go to KP…but we work on Saturdays. We were chatting all week about the fact that most of us can’t go because the game is so early…

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.09.15 10:49:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 12) : :mrgreen: if you say so

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.09.15 10:58:57 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 15) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.09.15 11:02:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 3) : Yeh i watched most of the games and attendance at all were pretty poor. Understandably in Jhb as going to Ellis Park that time of night takes guts. But yes attendance figures throughout the country have been very poor. And to be fair there has been some pretty good rugby on display by the likes of the Bulls, Lions, WP and Cheetahs. Sharks will struggle to make top 4, and do we really deserve to after getting an easy draw playing the Pumas and Kings twice.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.09.15 11:02:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • When last did the Sharks fail to make the Currie Cup semis?

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.09.15 11:16:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : Yup…that’s about right…

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.09.15 11:17:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 18) : I don’t think it has every happened in the professional era (but I could be wrong).
    Maybe during the Putt days?

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.09.15 11:18:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 9) : @SheldonK (Comment 17) : My comment was that on Saturday in Durban with the perfect conditions you had to think hard to find a reason why not to go to that game.
    But I reckon I ‘d have to use a lot of liquid encouragement to even contemplate going out in that shitty miserable weather,down those desperate streets into Ellis Park.
    Not the same thing by a long chalk.

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.09.15 11:25:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 3) : All games so far have really poorly attended, well all but the Bulls vs Province game at Loftus. Spectator numbers are dwindling and its not only here, SuperRugby was also poorly supported in all the countries.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.09.15 11:36:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 21) : No for sure its different and was quite pleasant BUT Durban’s supporters want entertainment and with that good weather and Sharks playing pretty horribly trust me a lot of people rather went to the beach etc. The game was also pretty poorly advertised as I went to a braai after and some of the guys didnt even know the Sharks game was in durban. It all comes down to quality of product and at the moment spending the hard earned rands that JZ lets u keep on a sharks game isnt value for money.

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.09.15 11:37:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : It’s happening this year.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.09.15 11:38:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 21) : So your comment re: thinking hard about why not to go to the game was certainly true for you…it may have been true for many other people living in and around Durbs and not working on a Saturday. For me and almost every one of my mates, we didn’t have to think hard…we simply couldn’t go because of the time. The Sharks are pretty poor at the moment and there are leadership issues…and those factors to impact crowd attendance. I’m just reminding you that there are other factors too. Right at the top of the list is the issue that the Currie Cup has very little pulling power, even against the likes of flea markets, beaches and school sport on a beautiful day. Other factors include: who our opposition is on the day, what time the kickoff is, how many other events are on round and about, the cost of going to games, the geographical spread of supporters…and, yes, weather and location of stadiums are also factors. I am just cautioning oversimplifying the issue…that is all…if the attendance is poor at other Stadiums we seem to find acceptable excuses for it. If attendance is poor in Durbs…well, then everything must be crap. That’s just getting a bit tired…

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.09.15 11:44:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : Yup…complex issue that needs more careful attention…

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.09.15 11:45:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Who would have thought that a proud union like the Sharks would be struggling to make the Currie Cup play-offs like this. What a pleasure it was under Plum to watch the sharks play rugby, when making the Currie cup finals was a given.

    John Smit you have got a lot to answer for.

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.09.15 12:07:12 by jonnow Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 18) :
    @robdylan (Comment 20) :

    2005 – We failed to make the Semi-Finals..

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.09.15 12:20:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : The last time the Sharks did not make the Semifinals was in 2005.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.09.15 12:23:25 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 28) : Haha you just beat me to it.

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.09.15 12:23:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 28) : thanks!

    @KingRiaan (Comment 29) : thanks!

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.09.15 12:25:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 28) : @KingRiaan (Comment 29) : Anyone have a 2005 team list?

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.09.15 12:27:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) :

    1 Deon Carstens
    2 Dirk Louw
    3 BJ Botha
    4 Steven Sykes
    5 Johann Muller (Captain)
    6 Solly Tyibilika
    7 Nico Breedt
    8 Jacques Botes
    9 Craig Davidson
    10 Ruan Pienaar
    11 Henno Mentz
    12 Grant Rees
    13 Adrian Jacobs
    14 Cedric Mkhize
    15 Brent Russell

    16 Danie Saayman
    17 Brent Moyle
    18 Werner Cronje
    19 Albertus Johannes Mulder
    20 Sandile Nxumalo
    21 Gcobani Bobo
    22 Odwa Ndungane

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.09.15 12:29:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 33) :

    That was the last match played that season..

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.09.15 12:30:18 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Haha ok Richard is way too fast

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.09.15 12:30:40 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 34) : That team I got from here http://sharksrugby.co.za/index.php/component/articles/?view=article&id=158906

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.09.15 12:32:13 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 35) :

    Sorry man – I will stop now..

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.09.15 12:33:40 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 33) : Not a bad team at all. I wonder what type of flak they got. I presume that there would be a few returning Boks in that team and that the team that played most of the campaign was a bit different to that one.

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.09.15 12:40:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Dirk Louw – that name rings no bells whatsoever

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.09.15 12:47:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 33) : Thats a pretty average team if we are honest. a couple of good players but they are grafters not match winners. Pretty lightweight backline that.

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.09.15 12:48:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Taking stock of the CC Competition to date. part from the Lions and Bulls the rest has been average with many senior players doing poorly.

    We are going to have to get used to be disappointed with the Sharks. JS and his team has made decisions that lost us a gross of players and the coaching appointments a disgrace. Fans and supporters have lost hope. There are some exiting young talent but at all levels the Sharks are mere mediocre ????

    What needs to change to be competitive in the S16 next year if we cant compete in the VC and CC ?

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.09.15 12:51:32 by Observer Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 38) :

    This was a team from the middle of the tournament, assuming all the Boks are out: (Not sure why JPP is there though?)

    1 Deon Carstens
    2 Skipper Badenhorst
    3 BJ Botha
    4 Werner Cronje
    5 Johann Muller (Captain)
    6 Warren Britz
    7 Nico Breedt
    8 Jacques Botes
    9 Bennie Nortje
    10 Herkie Kruger
    11 Henno Mentz
    12 Rudi Keil
    13 Adrian Jacobs
    14 Brett Hennessey
    15 JP Pietersen

    16 Dirk Louw
    17 Danie Saayman
    18 Braam Immelman
    19 Jaco Gouws
    20 Dave von Hoesslin
    21 Waylon Murray
    22 Brent Russell

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.09.15 12:54:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 25) : I like the way your articulated your point. I agree, there are many factors

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.09.15 13:04:04 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 27) : wow, that some baised commentary there. Translation: Everything was awesome back a decade ago, now its all crap. Of causr we’re assuming absolutely nothing has changed since then. Supporters cry out fire kevin putt. A decade later same oke is like ”i miss kevin putt”. Things are way more complicated than most like to believe.

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.09.15 13:11:10 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : If you think that is “pretty average” what is your view of our current team?

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.09.15 13:12:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : Well on paper we are actually not a bad side at all to be honest. But something is missing and the guys arent playing to potential or even close to it. All of them look flat and unsure of themselves. There is no fire. But on paper the names are actually pretty good mostly.

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.09.15 13:22:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : There were four Springboks in that backline,and who knows what might have been in store for Cedric.

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.09.15 13:41:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 47) : Fair point, and Cedric was a Junior Bok. But none of those names scream quality Bok player really?

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.09.15 13:44:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) :
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    Yeah look, Herkie Kruger is the epitome of greatness..

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.09.15 13:44:59 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 49) : It was by no means a bad side but i think people look at those names and think about them only at their best, and i dont think all of them were at their peak in 2005? Trying to remember back haha

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.09.15 14:00:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • 1 Deon Carstens
    2 Skipper Badenhorst
    3 BJ Botha
    4 Steven Sykes
    5 Johann Muller
    6 Warren Britz
    7 Nico Breedt
    8 Jacques Botes
    Not a bad scrum, with a very good tight 5.

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.09.15 14:01:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 3) : No one high up seems to care about the Curry Cup and therefor the fans don’t care.
    There has been almost no promotion of it, and to make it worse Super Sport are using it as their C tier training ground. The Sharks are worse off but everyone is suffering through this Curry Cup.
    Someone needs to come to the rescue of South African rugby in general.

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.09.15 14:05:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : They must have been way off their best to not have made the playoffs.

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.09.15 14:05:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 47) : Brent Russell was also playing that year.

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.09.15 14:06:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 52) : Ahh Supersport, that reminds me did anyone else think that the camwera work was really poor on Saturday?

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.09.15 14:07:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 53) : Actually they beat everyone except cheetahs and province that year. Klapped the bulls twice even with Morne Steyn and Adriaanse Strauss in the team.

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.09.15 14:13:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 28) : Thanks.

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.09.15 14:45:39 by Ben Reply
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  • The sad thing is for the none rugby serious, the games are fun live. I took my girlfriend who never goes, and is not a serious supporter, and she loved it. She loved the atmosphere and the fireworks when we scored, and really wants to go again.

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.09.15 14:56:42 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 58) : Live rugby def is a fun experience but at the moment, especially in kzn, the cost of a ticket, parking, drinks and the ability to watch it on tv at home or a pub means live rugby loses out to other activities

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.09.15 15:02:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Some news out of CT with Saturdays clash in mind….
    Nizaam Carr to undergo a Thursday fitness test with a hammie issue….believes he will be fit.

    Ollie Kebble and Jano Vermaak both fit and available for selection….

    Talk of a change at 10 with Robert Du Preez and Dillyn Lleyds being punted as possible starters in the flyhalf position….

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.09.15 15:16:23 by grant10 Reply

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  • Notshe will replace Carr at 8 if Carr fails test

  • Comment 61, posted at 07.09.15 15:17:29 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 60) :

    Catrakilis was given the weekend off to take a rest..

    Does it look likely that he will sit out another?

    Surely they should start leaving him off the team sheet since he is gone in 2 months?

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.09.15 15:20:22 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 62) : Looks like Demetri is off the radar….Dobson searching for a 10 with Superrugby in mind….Demetri has the goal kicking attributes but frankly very little else…..Dobson specifically wants a 10 that keeps defences honest,

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.09.15 15:25:00 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 63) : Lledys wants the job….so does Robert….

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.09.15 15:25:57 by grant10 Reply

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  • WP lineout has been an ongoing shambles….so frustrating….If I was Sharks I would contest in the air aggressively.

  • Comment 65, posted at 07.09.15 15:27:14 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 63) : My guess would be DuPreez to start will Coleman and Lleyds on the bench and depending how the game goes will depend who plays where. WP lineout isnt the best…both a combo of hookers throwing poorly and also WP jumpers not getting off the ground-lifts a bit slack.

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.09.15 15:32:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 60) : So we could see Robert up against both his ”little” brothers.
    I would have said this was unique but I remember a game in which the younger Faingar brother faced his twin brothers as well,and there was also a game in new Zealand when seven Whitelock brothers plus three cousins turned out for the Crusaders.
    Any way I reckon Rob will be more than a little nervous facing those two.

  • Comment 67, posted at 07.09.15 15:35:53 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 67) : Taking backyard rugby to a whole new level haha

  • Comment 68, posted at 07.09.15 15:40:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) : His only saving grace in the backyard game was probably that the old man played on his side and it was a fair fight till the twins turned 12.

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.09.15 15:46:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @Observer (Comment 41) : Well, we do gain almost a full team between now and the start of Super Rugby…so that will help. And obviously we need to sort out our head coach issue…

  • Comment 70, posted at 07.09.15 15:49:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 69) : LOL….yes….that 7 flank of the Sharks is an impressive player…I would start Lledys at 15 in place of Kolby, who is out of form and developing Kirchner like up and under tendencies…Robert at 10 and Coleman off bench….

    Also hope Cloete is persevered with at openside….as for the lineouts….2 years and counting…..circus….damn frustrating.

  • Comment 71, posted at 07.09.15 15:51:22 by grant10 Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 43) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.09.15 15:51:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 52) : I agree with you…it is a great pity that the regional strategies we have followed have belittled the Currie Cup. I would have much preferred a shorter Super rugby season with less teams and a much more meaningful, valued and promoted Currie Cup. But then again, maybe I’m just old school…

  • Comment 73, posted at 07.09.15 15:56:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : Yup…big factor that…

  • Comment 74, posted at 07.09.15 15:58:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 73) : The point is that we have already played the Currie Cup,by playing each local team twice in the Super rugby tournament.
    That is what has killed the local game.

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.09.15 15:58:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 75) : Good point…

  • Comment 76, posted at 07.09.15 16:05:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 75) : 110%

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.09.15 16:05:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 44) :

    Ja you are right I am biased, Sharks played crap under Plum in the Currie Cup, I must just have a very short memory.

    Lets look at the facts:

    2008 Top of Log Winners

    2009 Top of Log Semi’s

    2010 Top of Log Finals

    2011 2nd on Log Finals

    2012 Top of Log Finals

    Biased maybe, but I sure did prefer watching rugby back then.

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.09.15 16:10:08 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 78) : We were winners in 2010 too…

  • Comment 79, posted at 07.09.15 16:17:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 79) :

    My bad

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.09.15 16:39:41 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 80) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.09.15 16:49:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 3) : really now

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.09.15 17:46:49 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 7) : fully agreed

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.09.15 17:48:11 by benji Reply
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  • Since when we’re talking about it the other day, I’d like to point out that Chilliboy got a two year ban.

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.09.15 18:26:13 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 79) : maybe those results show us why Plum eventually left? All those top of the log finishes and only one title? Pfffft. Don’t forget we also played in many Super Rugby play offs and a final under Plum and nary a title in sight.

    It’s ok if you’re happy just being in semis or being a losing finalist… but Plum showed us the end of his reach… which wasn’t enough unfortunately to win trophies. Bit like the Hurricanes this year…

    The Sharks are a team you expect to make semifinals and finals, and once you accept that fact, besides 1 Currie Cup what did Plum REALLY achieve?

  • Comment 85, posted at 07.09.15 18:46:36 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 84) : ja also heard that. Is it not the second time he got caught for using an illegal “supplement”?

  • Comment 86, posted at 07.09.15 18:49:19 by JD Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 85) : Two titles, 2008 and 2010, 2 from 4, it would be interesting to see what percentage of times the log topper actually wins the cup.

  • Comment 87, posted at 07.09.15 19:33:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 52) : I agree with the super sport comment, its like the guys that present it either arent that keen on CC and would rather work SR or WC or they are keen on the game but struggle to put sentences together on live tv due to stage fright lol. They know very little about the teams also. Its as if most of them apart from bobo dont prep for match day

  • Comment 88, posted at 07.09.15 19:41:58 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 78) : plum had boks and good depth behind the players selected as boks, no such thing now. Look at those teams, they were awesome, experienced too. Now we lose mvovo to the springbok camp, not even the match day 23, the camp. I like plum, but he was coaching under different conditions. In CC anyway. I wish our team was a strong as it was then. How many player with japanese contract in 2008 ? Not many.

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.09.15 19:47:09 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 89) : And how many of those players from 2008 and later that were not Boks but left for Europe or Japan. Players like Burden, Bressler, Marais brothers, Spedding, Hargreaves, Kockett, etc…Yes, Plum had significantly more depth to work with in the Currie Cup.

    I have been saying for a while now, all this talent started leaving in earnest as soon as Strooli left.

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.09.15 20:00:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 90) : The Sharks also did not have the foresight to secure someone like Ackermann when he retired. The Sharks brought him back to top flight rugby and an eventual Springbok recall after his suspension. They should have recognized what he had to offer and secured him to some sort of coaching contract. Succession planning of some sort.

  • Comment 91, posted at 07.09.15 20:10:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 91) : You used foresight and The Sharks in the same sentence :grin:

  • Comment 92, posted at 07.09.15 20:46:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 92) : Purely for your entertainment :grin: …………and with two important little words…..”did not” in front. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 93, posted at 07.09.15 20:53:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 93) : ja Boer can’t believe Sharks let Rob du Preez leave for Potch!?! Also why not sign Hawies before he signed for Varsity side?!?!

  • Comment 94, posted at 07.09.15 21:20:36 by JD Reply
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  • I’m trying to be positive because we do show some new positives each new week.

    I do seriously think, though, that The Sharks are always two steps behind in terms of scooping good players at craven week etc and they’re half asleep when it comes to finding decent coaches, Plum and Ackermann should NEVER have been able to get away!

    I’m more enamoured by the players themselves than anyone in “charge” of the Sharks.

  • Comment 95, posted at 07.09.15 21:28:04 by Den Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 85) : You have a point…though Plum did win 2 Currie Cups with the Sharks…2008 and 2010…

  • Comment 96, posted at 07.09.15 21:57:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 85) : So which Sharks coach has done better than Plum?? Besides, how is it Plum’s fault? If the team can get to the finals, they should be able to nail it too. Maybe they just get stage fright. I can’t remember Plum missing tackles, dropping passes, or missing kicks at goal. The players must take responsibility if they get to so many finals, and fail to crack it.
    You should go do more research. The Sharks won two CC titles with Plum as coach.

  • Comment 97, posted at 07.09.15 22:29:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 97) : spot on, the coach has much more to do with the overall season performance, i.e. log position, than winning a one-off playoff or final.

  • Comment 98, posted at 07.09.15 23:35:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 96) : a 50% win ratio vs a 25% win ratio, huge difference.

  • Comment 99, posted at 07.09.15 23:36:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Two Currie Cups. My bad.

    I expect the Sharks to win the Currie Cup. My issue because I was a Sharks fan through the 90s.

    Winning the Currie Cup is great, and Plum kept us up there, always in contention. We lost a few finals too.

    What about Super Rugby?

    Do you not agree that as far as the Sharks are concerned there is a huge elephant in the room? Why have they not won it? The Bulls have won in THREE times…

    I got the sense Plum had run out of ideas in Super Rugby, by the time he left.

    The appointment of Jake White – a proven trophy winner – after Plum’s exit was the right choice for the trophy-starved union. White may have had that little extra to bag the big one. Who knows, with another season perhaps he may have?

    The real problem is the fool we were lumped with after White was pushed…. don’t even get me started on that no hoper.

    As a Sharks supporter I want to win the big one – Super Rugby.

  • Comment 100, posted at 07.09.15 23:55:21 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 100) : Excellent post I agree with most everything you said there.

  • Comment 101, posted at 08.09.15 02:03:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Looks like Dobsol will persevere with Coleman at 10

  • Comment 102, posted at 08.09.15 07:12:09 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 102) :

    That is a shame..

  • Comment 103, posted at 08.09.15 08:34:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 90) : yes and that to me is the second biggest problem at the sharks now,in the past there was serious depth with serious good players,now its average players with no depth,eish

  • Comment 104, posted at 08.09.15 08:47:51 by benji Reply
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  • It makes me laugh t all the comments about the Sharks missing out on the potential of Ackermann.
    Seriously up until Mitchell left the Lions in mid season,and Ackers defaulted into the job,the only thing most of the rugby public knew about him was that he was a disgraced rugby cheat.He was the first rugby player unmasked and banned for two years as a steroid abuser,in the days when it was almost unknown.How was that grounds for the union to hang on to him and entrust our youth and teams future to him.
    The guy we should be talking about is Swys de Bruin,the real genius in the Lions revival,now he is a Sharks man through and through and in my humble estimation he should be our coach.

  • Comment 105, posted at 08.09.15 09:08:27 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 105) : I hav a feeling Swys is better as an assistant much like Plum is. Head Coach is more a man manager and tactician where is an assistant does the more hands on coaching which i believe guys like Plum and Swys are good at. Jake White for example is def more a head coach than an assistant. And perhaps thats the trick we are missing at the Sharks…that balance between Head Coach and assistants and the roles they play together with how good they are at those roles. I do have the feeling that perhaps Gold is better suited to the hands on assistant coach role

  • Comment 106, posted at 08.09.15 09:26:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 105) : Agree. Also agree with the earlier comment around Jake. We should have kept him at least until the end of the RWC. No ways you treat a world class coach like that. He should have been given more support from management and helped to ease up a bit.

  • Comment 107, posted at 08.09.15 09:28:42 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Jake should have been allowed to bring in his own assistants. That would have made a huge difference.

  • Comment 108, posted at 08.09.15 09:36:36 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 108) : Do you seriously think that a coach who was clever enough to win a world cup would have accepted a job where was going to be ham strung by his assistants.
    I am pretty certain Jake was happy with his assistants when he took on the job,and if he wasn’t he would have brought his own in.This is the guy who did the unthinkable at the world cup bringing an ex Aussie national coach into the sacred, rarified air of the Springbok team,and appointing him above Alistar Coetzee.This move so incensed SARU that they refused to allow Edie to wear a Bok blazer,even though the baggage master wore one.
    My point is if he never accepted kak fromSARU why do you think he would have accepted it from the Sharks

  • Comment 109, posted at 08.09.15 10:37:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 109) : He was chilled about it as his lighty got a run in the junior sides, when he was dropped then the sh*t started. ( Just stirring here haha)

  • Comment 110, posted at 08.09.15 10:49:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : Got you

  • Comment 111, posted at 08.09.15 11:03:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 2) : pinning your hopes on the boks … man i might be starting to feel sorry for you guys .. . :sad: good luck

  • Comment 112, posted at 08.09.15 11:13:13 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 86) : Nope, the first time he had an ‘excuse’ this time no way of excusing anabolic steroids.

  • Comment 113, posted at 08.09.15 11:27:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 109) : I read somewhere that he complained about them. He said he had to coach his assistants and the players.

  • Comment 114, posted at 08.09.15 13:17:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 105) : so what if he was a naughty chap in the past,look at what he is doing now,and if his franchise felt unsure about him believe you me they unlike the Sharks have serious money to go buy any coach they want,so he must be doing good in the franchise eyes

  • Comment 115, posted at 09.09.15 10:22:54 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 109) : because perhaps the facts were misrepresented to JW and what he accepted as given fact turned out not to be so

  • Comment 116, posted at 09.09.15 10:25:04 by benji Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 114) : But if we kept him we would have had great assistant coaches ready to step up to coach by now along with great succession in players. Our junior leagues would be benefitting from mentorship and playing in a winning side and our varsity and vodacom sides would get the trained coaches they deserve.

  • Comment 117, posted at 09.09.15 11:34:52 by coolfusion Reply

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