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Pietersen at pivot for vital clash


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 10 Sep 2015 at 10:08
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Joe Pietersen moves to flyhalf in the most significant change to the Sharks side for this weekend’s clash against Western Province.

Gary Gold has dispensed with the erratic Lionel Cronje for this clash, recalling Odwa Ndungane at fullback to fill in for Pietersen in the only other backline change. Cobus Reinach starts again, with a fit Michael Claassens replacing Stefan Ungerer on the bench.

In another much-called-for change, Thomas du Toit starts at loosehead prop in a change to the tight five, with Jean-Luc du Preez replacing brother Daniel at blindside flank in the fourth change to the starting team.

Dale Chadwick moves to the bench, suggesting that du Toit will shift across to tight head at some stage in the match. Franco Marais and Dave McDuling come onto the bench for Kyle Cooper and JC Astle respectively. In the final change, uncapped Christiaan de Bruin will have an opportunity to taste Currie Cup rugby for the first time – he plays in the number 19 jersey.

Sharks: 15 Odwa Ndungane, 14 Wandile Mjekevu, 13 Paul Jordaan, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Sibusiso Sithole, 10 Joe Pietersen, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Jean-Luc du Preez, 6 Francois Kleinhans, 5 Marco Wentzel (captain), 4 Etienne Oosthuizen, 3 Gerhard Engelbrecht, 2 Monde Hadebe, 1 Thomas du Toit.
Replacements: 16 Franco Marais, 17 Dale Chadwick, 18 David McDuling, 19 Christiaan de Bruin, 20 Michael Claassens, 21 Heimar Williams, 22 Garth April.



148 Comments

  • I am pretty happy with this because it’s not SP at fullback :mrgreen:

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.09.15 10:09:59 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Well look at the Sharks doing something a bit different. There also seems to be some impact off the bench. Is Dan DuPreez injured? Lets hope to see a little bit of fresh air on saturday

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.09.15 10:11:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I like! Joe has been great this season. Pity Cronje didn’t shape properly. Let’s go boys!

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.09.15 10:12:45 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 1) : Well considering he is out injured for the remainder of the season it would be a bold move to select him ;)

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.09.15 10:14:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : No I know that, it’s just before he got injured my biggest fair was Joe playing 10 and him at FB.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.09.15 10:16:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Actually no, my biggest fair would be Cronje at 10 and SP at FB…. could you imagine? :shock:

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.09.15 10:17:13 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Personally very happy to see Thomas Du Toit back at 1…..I still believe thats his best position.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.09.15 10:18:05 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 5) : Do you remember the 2 games SP played on the wing during super rubgy last year? he was actually pretty decent there. Was when Lwazi played 15

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.09.15 10:19:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Hi Gary! Thanks for reading Sharksworld this week! :)

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.09.15 10:24:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 9) : I’m not convinced Gary reads the site; if he did he’d have committed hara kiri by now

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.09.15 10:29:10 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Good looking team. I hope we see a more free flowing game this weekend. The WP fans I know are not happy with their team and coach either.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.09.15 10:37:06 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 10) : So you’re suggesting he stumbled across some common sense instead? Both scenarios are pure fantasy but I reckon mine is more realistic ;)

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.09.15 10:38:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : Lol

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.09.15 10:44:35 by StevieS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : Your logic is impeccable. “Gary Gold” and “common sense” appears to be mutually exclusive terms

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.09.15 10:48:52 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 11) : WP current issue is in their selection…their combos are just out and you can see it. they good players so do click every so often which is why they are so hot and cold.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.09.15 10:57:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : Dan apparently had a knee problem. Not sure how serious it is

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.09.15 11:03:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : I hope for Dobson’s sake he sorts out the combos quickly. He’s a good coach.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.09.15 11:06:23 by StevieS Reply
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  • interesting. Good starting team, only change i wud hav made was to start marias ahead of hadebe, as much as i like hadebe, his contribution in lose play doesnt make up for his scrumming, though i dont blame in totally for the line out struggles he had at the start of the season and he has over come those.

    Is cooper injured ?

    Is JC injured ?

    Dan is def injured, whch is too bad cos having both twins on late in the game last week was awesome, as they were effective

    bench seems abit thin on impact

    heimar is good, april has impressed me, and classens is a class act, marais can play

    but David McDuling need to front up. And im noy sure what to expect from Christiaan
    Bruin

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.09.15 11:12:23 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Ah ok so probably precautionary.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.09.15 11:17:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I feel much more positive about this team than any other we fielded this season.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.09.15 11:22:03 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 20) :

    … This Currie Cup Season – Felt good at the start of the Season when Lambie and PSDT weren’t injured and Bissie and Deysel hadn’t seen red yet.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.09.15 11:31:52 by Letgo Reply
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  • Wow for me this is probably the strongest team currently available for the Sharks. Let’s see how they play!!!!!!!
    GO SHARKS!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.09.15 11:57:00 by JD Reply
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  • Not a bad looking side. You get the feeling this game will be won or lost amongst the tight five

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.09.15 12:06:57 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @StevieS (Comment 11) : Im hoping for Dobson to make a great quote like he did before the WP vs Freestate game, it went along the lines of “I’ve had a look at their team sheet and we should have no problem in beating them” WP lost. :oops:

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.09.15 12:41:40 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I posted this team2 weeks ago, except I had Marais at 2

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.09.15 12:54:36 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Oh and I did not have Mjakevu in the side as he has been disappointing, so at last Gold is starting to select the best team possible under circumstances

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.09.15 12:56:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) : Lol famous last words by Dobson.

    I hope the Sharks have a cracker and gain some momentum and confidence.

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.09.15 12:56:54 by StevieS Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 7) : Nothing wrong Du Toit on TH, problem is Chadwick is not his up to scratch right now and nor is our hookers, also remember you have Eben behind your TH and then you put Wentzel behind the same TH and see who gets support etc, Scrums are an 8 man thing not a 1 man thing.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.09.15 12:58:12 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I like this team…some necessary adjustments…

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.09.15 13:01:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 25) : Well done!

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.09.15 13:01:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • So once again this season Kyle Cooper gets bumped by Franco Marais after having an absolute mare in the lineouts. Come Kyke! We know you’re better than that. Get it sorted!

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.09.15 13:03:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Very happy to see Pietersen at flyhalf. Still wish we hadn’t lost du Preez there!

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.09.15 13:04:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 30) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.09.15 13:21:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 32) : Hi Pastor boet, you well?

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.09.15 13:29:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 31) : Agree, sad to see him struggling like this, yet we know he can be the best around.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.09.15 13:29:49 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Finally a 10 whow can bring some structure!

    What position does the new kid play? Anyone able to comment on his ability?

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.09.15 13:33:02 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 36) : Christiaan? He’s a lock-cum-flank

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.09.15 13:44:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Hi Rob

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.09.15 14:08:03 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : One site has him as a wing as well.
    1.98 and 100+ kg.

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.09.15 14:12:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • A Reinach-Pietersen actually has a lot of potential, it is the same type of combo as a Lambie-Reinach combo, a maverick 9 and a calm 10.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.09.15 14:15:47 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 39) : Must be a damn fast lock then!

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.09.15 14:16:32 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • If you take Esterhuizen out of that lineup you have a decent backline. Could do with a better scrummy though – how we did not chase Jano Vermaak is beyond me..not to genned up on the forwards recently so I cant comment there.

    But a player like Esterhuizen always blunts an attack against decent teams!!!

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.09.15 14:31:21 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 42) : Sorry cannot agree with you,

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.09.15 14:37:10 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 43) : Mine is not the only opinion allowed so feel free to convince me otherwise.

    Do you find him creative??

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.09.15 14:41:03 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • I have seen on many occasions being brilliant at 12, specially his younger days with Tyler Fisher on his outside, this is a team sport, Coaching as well as poor option taking from your 10 will hurt any 12 or 10 etc.

    With other locks Cooper looked brilliant, does that seem the case now? you do not just go from a very good player into a nothing player.

    Reinach was very good last weekend and in my eyes should have been our MOM, he sparked near all the good play we had, was a perfect performance? NO, not saying so but it was clear to see what a difference he made since his return.

    Esterhuizen has a good 13 next to him but he had a very off form 10 in his inside, passing to him and the rest of the backline was not good.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.09.15 14:42:54 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Much needed changes ….. no Chadwick, no Cronje, no Cooper – makes me happier. Real pity about Dan, that litey has so much passion for the jersey.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.09.15 14:43:06 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 44) : I know mate, and not meant to be rude. ;-)

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.09.15 14:43:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 38) : hello

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.09.15 14:44:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • Pity Dan is injured as he has been brilliant so far, he really is taking his chance big time.

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.09.15 14:44:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Mephisto_Shark (Comment 46) : Both these players have been very good for us, I truly believe we should look at the whole story as to why they suddenly are performing pooly.

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.09.15 14:47:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Someone touched on it the other day – Happiness …… add brotherhood and I think that’s why this team is performing so poorly. I used to go to the games in the 90′s and the atmosphere of family was electric, fans and players alike. Everyone loved everyone. Get Gold and the current team of managers and assistant coaches out and bring in someone who the players can identify with and respect but be scared of at the same time who will bring that hunger and love back and we’re back on our way

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.09.15 14:52:12 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • Well it took Gold until now to realise what we all knew 3 weeks ago, Joe is the best 10 he has got,wonder how many weeks it will take him to realise that Claasens is the best 9 .
    Joe is going to be nervous enough starting at 10 against his old province without having to deal with the hand grenade tosser.
    Reinarch should be on the bench as an impact player,to be only brought on when the game is well won and we need a bonus point try.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.09.15 14:52:41 by The hound Reply
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  • However I would be estatic if we could get a few top, top, top locks :mrgreen: and a Craig Burden, add to that we need another top Flyhalf and wing, however again Willie Le Roux is also a FH

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.09.15 14:54:56 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Lock for me is the biggest concern, loose forwards ok a slight problem but with Kanko, Marcell and Deysel to return we should be ok as the youngsters are standing up, Mtembu also still to return

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.09.15 15:00:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : You not hearing about any player purchases to lighten up our moods? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.09.15 15:05:49 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Will be interested to see how our ‘attacking’ backline man up on defense against WP. We need to protect our ball in contact if we want any chance.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.09.15 15:12:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 28) : Oosthuizen scrums behind tighthead not Wentzel. Your point is still very valid though. As a lifetime front rower, Thomas has much to learn at TH, he is so talented, so strong, and has such a great attitude, it will carry him a very long way, but he needs to develop his technique at TH, in order to be as devastating there as he is at LH.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.09.15 15:14:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Better looking starting 15.

    Hope Heimar gets a decent run off the bench this week.

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.09.15 15:15:59 by stevovo Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 45) : “With other locks Cooper looked brilliant, does that seem the case now?”

    I don’t think different locks will make a difference. He can’t throw straight!

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.09.15 15:17:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : I don’t know why, but a few nights ago, I watched the 2014 Blues vs Sharks game. I have to say, under Jake White, nobody missed any tackles, and backs were cleaning out rucks like forwards if they were the first there.

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.09.15 15:17:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 59) : It isn’t the wind???? :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.09.15 15:18:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 53) : our whole tight five is paper thin at the moment. I’m worried

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.09.15 15:23:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • So if I may bore you for a moment, I played hooker a lot, and I know something about throwing into a lineout. If anyone looks at Bissie throwing in, or goes back to watch John Smit throwing in, you will notice they were throwing bullets (as they say in America). They fired the ball in hard and straight to the point the jumper is supposed to meet it. I noticed with both Hadebe and Cooper, they are “pushing” the ball into the lineout. There is no power to their throws, they are aiming and trying to push it to a spot. This allows more time for oppositions to react to the throw, and also is subject to the wind. Pushing the ball like they do is a sign of a lack of confidence, and they are over-aiming. When confident in your ability, you know the spot the ball must get to, and you fire the ball to that spot. It is really evident if you compare the throwers. This also makes it really difficult on the jumpers if they have been receiving the ball from Bissie all game, and then all of a sudden the throws are coming a split second later and slower, so timing is usually messed up.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.09.15 15:24:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 60) : If you watched the Hurricanes this year they also played like that,now what did they have in common with that Sharks team.

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.09.15 15:25:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 45) : sorry to say but you can only blame the locks for so much, hitting the flyhalf with your lineout throw can’t be blamed on the locks no matter how bad they are!!!!!!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.09.15 15:26:02 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 60) : I think its the general aggression that we are missing at the moment. Guys being reactive as opposed to taking the initiative.

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.09.15 15:27:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 65) : Right now, hitting his flyhalf is straight for Cooper, it is when he hits his fullback that I really start to worry. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.09.15 15:28:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 64) : The former Irish forwards coach? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.09.15 15:31:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) : 100%. Bissie went thru a stage when he too threw in slower and it was shocking. He changed and his harder throws have made a serious difference. The longer the ball is in the air the easier it is to compete. Also the harder to get the timing right for your own locks.

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.09.15 15:31:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 54) : prop gives me sleepless nights as well, but not as much as lock.

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.09.15 15:34:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) : I agree, there is a lack of consistency of aggression. I have seen players hit rucks hard fast, counter rucking, etc, and then just walking up to a ruck at another point while the opposition steals the ball or counter rucks. The ability is there, but there is a lack of consistent aggression. I also think there is a technique problem when it comes to tackles, under White, they were so drilled in the basics, they did not even think about it, every tackle was the way it was supposed to be. Now they are going in with their heads on the wrong side, or straight on with hips high and head and shoulders low, all kinds of poor technique.

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.09.15 15:35:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : I am sorry to say it, but the way Hadebe and Cooper are throwing in right now is not acceptable for a third team club hooker. In fact, if I threw in like that, if I would have been allowed to come out for the second half, I would have had several bruises from my jumpers making a point at halftime.

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.09.15 15:40:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) : You make a very good case here ,so what we are saying is that the hookers and the jumpers have no confidence in their ability to coordinate their options.
    You can only put that down to inadequate coaching,our poor scrummaging as well.
    We didn’t really have these problems last year,but the whole blame for our poor season was laid on BMH,and there was great happiness on these pages when he was shafted..
    Our forwards were going to be honed into an efficient slick killing machine under the eagle eye of former Springbok Forwards coach Gary Gold and the new forwards coach who has hidden so low on the horizon that I can’t even remember his name.

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.09.15 15:40:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) : But isnt that just the whole Sharks approach this year- a bit all over the place and not focused consistently. Its too often a hap hazzard approach. Id love to see a sharks defensive line come up and speed and hit guys back hard and low, cleaners hitting rucks hard and low and past the ball. U will be amazing at how different our attacking side looks then

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.09.15 15:43:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 72) : Hell if a club hooker threw in like that he knew he was destined for a good few beers as punishment after the game.

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.09.15 15:44:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 73) : Yes coaching but id also put it down to us doing things so slowly…whether its setting up for a lineout or throwing it in, or our jumpers getting into position or us engaging in the scrum. Everything just seems very laboured. I do get that sometimes in lineouts u want to vary the speed but it cant be constantly stuck on slow.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.09.15 15:46:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 73) : All I can say is….yep…

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.09.15 15:46:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : Exactly right. There is one thing to consider though. In every sport, the difference between the professional and the guy who plays for fun is consistency. I expect more from professional rugby players, they are playing like very talented club players right now.

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.09.15 15:49:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : Agree 100% and that is what is concerning me, also there is no grunt from the Loosies, do not get me wrong, Dan and Franna have been very good, but we do not have grunt in the tight five especially from the locks

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.09.15 15:50:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : destined to buy and fetch beers for the entire team, several rounds. ;-)

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.09.15 15:51:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 78) : It’s simpler than that its the difference between guys who want to win,and guys who are terrified of losing,and they are not the same thing.

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.09.15 15:52:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 78) : I hate to be the pessimist but have we not perhaps hyped these guys up too much on reputation? Are they not just a bunch of talented club players?

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.09.15 15:54:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • What was really concerning in the last game, was even when Hadebe threw into the front of the lineout, he pushed it in. When I was in a slump throwing in, I worked with one jumper, two lifters right on the five metre line, and just started trying to throw it in hard. I would be erratic at first, but after a few minutes of this drill, I started making the same throw over and over, and that is how my confidence would return.

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.09.15 15:54:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 81) : playing to not lose is never good and never effective.

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.09.15 15:57:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I haven’t commented here in quite a while (if ever) – so dont mind me joining in: remember Jacques Potgieter could easily slot in as a lock, played there quite successfully for tahs as they could attest, and he does fit the role as an enforcer. Add to it his mobility around the field, should make way for a guy like D.du preez to make the stepup into SR, or if you’re willing to risk a red card Deysel is a good option. Just my thoughts.

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.09.15 16:02:07 by DeanOwens Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : I don’t know if I agree with that. If you look at each player individually, they have all either proven themselves over a professional career, or were junior Boks, etc. I think the problem is poor or lack of coaching, both at the skill level and at the motivational level. Perhaps we have too many journeyman players and not enough of those that stand out, but I also think that when well coached, journeyman players can turn into superstars. Look at the Lions for that example.

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.09.15 16:02:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : I think me and you on the same page re problems, and most start with the tight 5, the engine room.

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.09.15 16:02:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @DeanOwens (Comment 85) : Unfortunately I think we need more than one lock who can do a good job. If Lewies is back, who is his back up at 5? Who else can actually play 4 at Super Rugby level? Who is our Super Rugby level tighthead? Who is our Super Rugby level hooker, because right now they are not even currie cup level?

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.09.15 16:05:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 87) : Loosehead is all wrapped up…. ;-) 1 of 5 taken care of. :lol:

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.09.15 16:06:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 86) : Fair enough then we have established that they are good players but its the guidance that is lacking

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.09.15 16:09:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 89) : And TH, Adriaanse, Oosthuizen and Thomas, and yes Thomas is just fine at TH, we need our Loosies and Locks to join in the scrumming. ;-)

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.09.15 16:09:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : Correct, I said before we do not have a Head coach, it is very clear to see, GG is a DOR

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.09.15 16:10:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 92) : I agree but also think we arent getting much value from the assistant coaches…our forwards disorganised and backline just shovel the ball down the line…so what are those guys doing at practices?

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.09.15 16:12:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 89) : BTW Marais right now is our best hooker as he does the basics best.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.09.15 16:13:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : Yup, I see that week in and week out, the ball gets to the wings quicker than flash Gorgon would lol, no one is drawing the defenders, not straightening the line at all,

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.09.15 16:15:21 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Here is the simple truth, when all our players are back from where ever we will be fine accept for 2 positions, Locks and Hooker

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.09.15 16:16:24 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I also feel we need to look at a few positions like 12 and 13 backup? and another top wing, Sbura needs to seriously step up, we all like him and we all support him, but show me where he has stepped up that level like Mvovo has?

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.09.15 16:17:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • :cry: This is the face I get when Mjakhevu plays, ok he scored 2 tries but how many knock-ons? or missed tackles etc?

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.09.15 16:19:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Should we all right an open letter to Mitchell to come coach the Sharks????? :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 99, posted at 10.09.15 16:20:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 94) : He does not exactly set the world afire. Solid, but nothing more. Of all the current crop of hookers, the only one that has showed any glimpses of having the ability to make that step up was Cooper, and he has gone so far backwards since then I am not sure if there is any coming back. We do not have a Super Rugby level hooker at all.

  • Comment 100, posted at 10.09.15 16:20:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 96) : We need two locks, a backup for Lewies, and someone who can play 4 at Super Rugby level. We need two hookers, because our current crop will struggle in the Vodacom Cup.

  • Comment 101, posted at 10.09.15 16:22:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 101) : AND then we have to hope and pray nobody gets hurt……

  • Comment 102, posted at 10.09.15 16:25:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • NO boet we need TOP locks, A Lood de Jager for example, Lewies is up there but not fully, Hookers I agree as Marais is Good and like I said doing the basics the best but a long way off replacing Bissy etc

  • Comment 103, posted at 10.09.15 16:27:25 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Imagine this coaching staff, and someone can help me fill one or 2 gaps I have lol

    DOR-Gary Gold
    HC-Mitchell
    Ass/C-forwards- Here is a concern (Mitchell is a forwards coach)
    Ass/C-Backs- Robert Du Preez
    Kop Doktor???
    Technical coach, HRE ( yes I know some eye brows are lifted ) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 104, posted at 10.09.15 16:34:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 101) : And 8 extra locks for the gates to keep spectators at the game?

  • Comment 105, posted at 10.09.15 16:35:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Oh and before I forget the Academy seems to be taking a dive, is Fynn the right man for that job??

  • Comment 106, posted at 10.09.15 16:36:12 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Agree with you the tight 5 wears thin. The easiest solution would be to try and poach the ideal players like De Jager or Kleyn/Botha from WP – probably 1 out of 10 chance of that happening. So the sharks will have to make due with what they have. Then again, look at the current SR champs. Nobody really thought that with their no-star forward pack they would be champs. They had the right coach though, and team culture.

  • Comment 107, posted at 10.09.15 16:37:31 by DeanOwens Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 106) : The academy is an antiquated concept….Varsity Cup rugby is where it is at – Sharks need a Varsity Cup side to attract and develop young players….sadly UKZN isn’t exactly at the top of the list of universities “you just absolutely have to get in to”.

    Difficult job for Smit to solve that little conundrum.

  • Comment 108, posted at 10.09.15 17:10:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @DeanOwens (Comment 107) : That’s the thing. The Highlanders are a ‘team’. The Sharks are as far from a ‘team’ as you can get. They’re just going through the motions, they’re not putting their bodies on the line for each other. This is what Gary Gold said he is going to fix and he is failing miserably.

  • Comment 109, posted at 10.09.15 17:32:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 109) : You don’t need a team filled with superstars (especially not at Currie Cup) to be successful. You need a team that will play for each other.

  • Comment 110, posted at 10.09.15 17:35:31 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 109) : …”going through the motions”… is exactly what they’re doing.

    They seem aimless, target-less and that is making them passionless. These boys need to be given definite targets, and definite rewards or consequences for reaching or failing to achieve their goals.

    And for the love of rugby, play as a TEAM…and anyone that does not subscribe to TEAM gets dropped – no matter their pay grade.

  • Comment 111, posted at 10.09.15 17:45:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 111) : Agreed.

  • Comment 112, posted at 10.09.15 20:03:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 99) : Best idea I have heard in ages. Who can coordinate this? Awesome idea!!

  • Comment 113, posted at 10.09.15 22:29:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 34) : Very well…and very busy! :lol:

  • Comment 114, posted at 10.09.15 22:30:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 54) : And Potgieter to arrive too…

  • Comment 115, posted at 10.09.15 22:35:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : Yup…clearly the biggest area of concern!

  • Comment 116, posted at 10.09.15 22:37:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 64) : Although, to be fair…the Hurricanes lineouts were horrendous this year…have a look at the stats…

  • Comment 117, posted at 10.09.15 22:40:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : When we get two Bok props back and a few come back from injury we’re basically ok there…but at lock…who else have we got? Potgieter could play there and was always pretty good for the Tahs there…but we are really shaky there! Has Marco even got another season in him? Can Oosthuizen rediscover some of his 2014 Super Rugby form? Big worry…

  • Comment 118, posted at 10.09.15 22:44:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 72) : Although Monde’s lineout throwing has definitely improved in recent weeks…

  • Comment 119, posted at 10.09.15 22:46:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 73) : His name is Ryan Strudwick…and he’s not all that new…he was our forwards coach in 2010…and we did very well that year! So can it just be down to his coaching? I don’t know…

  • Comment 120, posted at 10.09.15 22:50:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @DeanOwens (Comment 85) : Agreed…

  • Comment 121, posted at 10.09.15 22:52:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 88) : I almost forgot about Lewies…I hope he gets back into the saddle! Potgieter can play 4…he was effective there for the Tahs. Coenie would help at tighthead. I was critical of his move to tighthead…but the last end of year tour he was very impressive there. Hooker is a major concern…unless Cooper can rediscover his mojo. I still reckon the check book has to be put to good use before the Super Rugby season starts…

  • Comment 122, posted at 10.09.15 22:56:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : I thought our lineouts really improved game after game in the last few weeks…until Cooper had his meltdown…
    Scrums are a real concern…but I think material is a problem there: Hadebe is not a strong scrummager, Wentzel is not a strong scrummager…when 40% of your scrumming unit is not strong then coaching cannot do much to rectify the scrums…

  • Comment 123, posted at 10.09.15 23:00:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 96) : Agreed…

  • Comment 124, posted at 10.09.15 23:01:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 97) : He was really good at the end of Super Rugby…

  • Comment 125, posted at 10.09.15 23:02:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 98) : But at wing at least it is not so costly as at 13!!! He was shocking at 13…at wing at least he gets to round off tries…that’s something…

  • Comment 126, posted at 10.09.15 23:03:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 118) : Oh yes, and we get Giant back for Super Rugby, don’t we?

  • Comment 127, posted at 10.09.15 23:17:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 119) : While it has improved he is still pushing the ball, he is not throwing it.

  • Comment 128, posted at 11.09.15 01:27:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Happy with the side. I would have had Heimar at 12 and Andre on wing for mjekevu but other than that prolly the best combos so far.

  • Comment 129, posted at 11.09.15 07:48:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 103) : To be fair even bissie wasn’t bissie his first year or two. I think Marais can get there, we do however need to decide if cooper will ever get back. I like Kyle he carries well and even steals so I hope he can rehab quickly but we need a strong man of steel like bissie. Like Craig Burden. Who else fits that bill? Akker?

  • Comment 130, posted at 11.09.15 08:15:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 127) : We should have had him for CC. He would be settled by the time supers come.

  • Comment 131, posted at 11.09.15 08:16:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : And the guys we let go were second stringers and now play a great game for the Lions. So that’s how we regarded them as well? Just not good enough? They proved us wrong. Everyone is a talented club player until you decide to be more, and play like it matters.

  • Comment 132, posted at 11.09.15 08:23:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 132) : Well thats sorta my question i put out…have we hyped up the guys we have and led ourselves to believe they are actually better than they are when guys who we thought were inferior are schooling them week in and week out for other sides? As i replied to an earlier comment, and its something i have suspected for a while now…the coaching and conditioning at the Sharks is very below par its scary. The fact that we were lucky to be graced with a good bunch of Boks overshadowed the the coaching/conditioning frailty. But now that they have left we are exposed. Just a thought

  • Comment 133, posted at 11.09.15 09:21:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 123) : Yeh our lineouts have improved a bit, although i cant say we have been challenged that much on them as teams know we cant out maul them or even if we win the lineout we will bash it up after max 1 pass so they will target us there. As for the scrumming, its def not the all on the props. The locks make a huge difference (most loosies are bladdy lazy at scrum time so wont count them). So the locks and a hooker that can hook the ball properly are a must. Then given that platform the props need to at least get parity with the opposition and FFS keep their bind, grab skin if needs be

  • Comment 134, posted at 11.09.15 09:24:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : Ja it’s a valid point. But then are you talking about the juniors recently come through or the old man new like cooper Chadwick etc. Who have been playing for 3 years plus. We have a mixed bag.

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 135) : Old manne.

  • Comment 136, posted at 11.09.15 09:30:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 135) : well look i dont think all our juniors are good, very far from it but we do have a few that are good such as DuPreez x 2, Thomas DuToit…Ungerer hasnt cut it at top level rugby yet and jury pending on Inny Radebe as he hasnt played any senior rugby. Coopers lack of game time/injury hav seriously affected his game. Chadwick,Marais,Hadebe are just good club players in my opinion. Wentzel a stop gap as there literally nobody else. Kleinhans will probably get better with consistent game time…whether is he allowed that chance i dunno. i think Deysel is very overrated-injury prone, cant pass or tackle that well. Sithole still looks like he sulking from super rugby. Odwa adds some stability but is probably very close to hiss sell by date. Adriaanse has been very disappointing since signing, cant remember a good game from him? Lionel Cronje and SP Marais are nice alternatives to fill a gap but if there was more competition for those positions they probably wouldnt be picked. Etienne oosthuizen tries hard but lacks quality and the ability to hold the damn ball. Im perhaps being harsh but a dose of reality is needed in the Union i feel.

  • Comment 137, posted at 11.09.15 09:49:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 137) : And meanwhile back at the Ranch, Wiehann Herbst ( Worsie ) is doing brilliantly in Ireland.

  • Comment 138, posted at 11.09.15 10:13:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • We are losing top players all the time and replacing with old players that are on the doorstep of pension or we buy players like Cronje that have run from team and province to team and not being successful at one of those teams, I hate saying this as Cronje is a brilliant bloke, humble fella , but his rugby is just not there as it was when he was a junior.

    Our player purchases and coaching staff hiring is running at a very low right now.

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 138) : Is he at Ulster? Must admit i havnt seen a game of his. I saw Heinke Van Der Merwe getting has ass handed to him against Toulon the other day though. Just in that same game Juan Smith looks very tired and the new faced paced game rugby has turned into doesnt suit his qualities. I saw Bresler having a good few games for Edinborough. And i must try see more Montpelier games as thats like the SA A side now haha. Also Meyer Bosman seems to be playing well in France. Schalk Brits is down the pecking order at Saracens…mayb a deal to be done there? How old is he though?

  • Comment 140, posted at 11.09.15 10:27:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Just looking a little forward to possible super rugby…1.Beast 2. Coenie? 3. DuToit 4. Potgieter 5. Lewies 6. Coetzee 7. DuPreez 8. Van Der Walt 9. Reinach 10. Lambie 11. Sithole 12. Esterhuizen 13. Jordaan 14. Mvovo. 15. Le Roux

  • Comment 141, posted at 11.09.15 10:33:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : That’s all good but if the players we have really are substandard, we have no depth on the bench. That what a CC is for o think to build a B string good enough to replace the a team.

  • Comment 142, posted at 11.09.15 11:22:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 142) : I agree to an extent. I dont think we place enough value on the bench to be honest. The bench cant just be guys coming on as others are tired. The guys coming on need to provide an impact and either win a game or close one out. They need to offer something different to what is on the field to allow a coach a possible change in tactics. What this CC and even super rugby has shown is that we do not have that quality depth to play off the bench, especially after a couple injuries.

  • Comment 143, posted at 11.09.15 11:41:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 143) : And by a couple you mean be prepared to field a whole new front row judging by our past few SR seasons. One union that will get that right this year is WP.

  • Comment 144, posted at 11.09.15 12:15:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 144) : yeh WP have def stocked their tight 5 cupboard.

  • Comment 145, posted at 11.09.15 12:43:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : Yup…as opposed to ours…

  • Comment 146, posted at 11.09.15 14:51:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 146) : haha yeh we helped stock theirs

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  • Lets look at our cupboard, :shock: It;s broken :mrgreen:

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