Richard Ferguson

Words fail me


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, RWC 2015, Springboks on 21 Sep 2015 at 09:25
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I think we all know and have by now experienced the feeling, the total and utter shock. 48 hours later and I can still hardly believe what happened on Saturday evening. But it did, and thinking about it now, trying to put words to an article that I never thought I would write, it hurts. And that is what we all feel, forget anger and disappointment. It just really hurts.

But it happened. It’s done, the record book will forever reflect the result, whether we roll into the foetal position and try and forget, or forge into the working week with anger and hatred.

And before I carry on, I’m not here to say everything is going to be okay, let’s hold hands, sing kumbaya and win the World Cup. That is not going to happen.

The Boks lost, and however you want to phase it or whatever angle you want to play, there are just a few people that can take blame for it, and Van Riebeeck is not one of those. Coach Meyer and his most experienced team in the history of South African Rugby are to blame. Simply put, the players and the coach have to take this on this chin.

We can argue all day long that the coach should take more heat as he is the boss, or the players should bear the consequences, after all it is not the coach that needs to catch the ball. However you think it should, it should be on those guys.

There simply was no plan, and if what we saw was the plan, it is a pretty poor plan. I mentioned it in the week before the game, Meyer’s biggest flaw is that he has never been able to adapt or coach on field adaptability into the players. There was no plan B, there was no idea to try play different as a result of how the Japanese came out and played. We stuck to our guns, and our guns simply were no measure against a team that played with such heart and passion, a part of me was actually proud of their achievement.

Some players tried their best, some players were simply shocking. I am not going to go into a player rating scenario, because I do not believe they deserve to be scored based on the performance. They all failed miserably at the task at hand.

What now?

The reality is that the Boks could still very well finish top of their pool, which is great, because that was the goal before any match kicked off. 2 bonus points in the bag, and a wake up call later, we are still set to advance to the Quarter Finals. What happens from there though, is a completely different picture. We start facing real contender teams, and I feel that the Springboks simply do not have the team, the playing style, the confidence or the nous to actually go any further than that.

The point of this article, you ask. Probably very little other than allowing me the opportunity to get it out the way and focus on the next match. So I apologise for that. But I will leave you with an interesting little analogy:

Ten or so years ago Heyneke Meyer won the Currie Cup playing similar rugby to what we saw on Saturday. Also ten or so years ago, there was no such thing as the iPhone or Smartphone. Things change, they evolve, and that evolution is something the Boks are clearly missing.

Good luck out there, if you feel anything like I do, it is hard to get any work done, it is hard even thinking about the rugby, and this is not even mentioning the brilliance of Gary Gold. Strongs!

Oh, and congratulations to Japan. They deserved the win, they played with the necessary gusto, bravely and pure passion. Keep it up and you guys are going somewhere in World Rugby!



282 Comments

  • Just…wow! :shock:

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.09.15 09:34:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I really thought after the two good games IMO against the Aussies and NZ, we were getting somewhere. We lost those games, but we still saw the best rugby from the Boks in these 4 years.

    However it seems HM has now gone back to 2007 Bulls style rugby. Problem is we could not even pummel the Japanese into submission – how would this approach work against a top 5 nation?

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.09.15 09:34:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Look, disappointment, anger, frustration, hurt, embarrassment…they are all there. But – and you can hammer me for this – mixed in there is a bit of pride for the Japanese. In the end it may even have been accurate to describe it as a tragedy had the Brave Blossoms not won!

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.09.15 09:38:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Boks were to upright in the drive, and too flat on attack, we prob had two of the quickest men on the park and they didn’t see any ball. BUT yes Rich give them credit they came prepared and we were too 1 dimensional, also in saying that it’s the first game things can still change dramatically. The only way to get over this loss is if we win the WC, but what I’ve seen the last couple of months, I’m not holding my breath.

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.09.15 09:43:40 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • Did the players play badly sure, but they don’t pick themselves. Meyer is to blame.

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.09.15 09:48:20 by Seth101 Reply
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  • This weekend has taught me only one thing. I don’t like it when the Boks lose (or any other team I support) regardless of who’s at the helm. I take no joy in this loss even though I’ve grown to intensely dislike Meyer. It hurts so much because I’m invested in my teams.

    Congrats to the Japanese but this should never have happened. A top tier 1 nation does not lose to a tier two nation at a World Cup regardless of how intelligently the latter plays. The only honourable thing left to do for Meyer and some of the past-it senior players is a figurative harakiri after the World Cup.

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.09.15 09:50:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : Figurative my foot – we need the real thing

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.09.15 09:51:40 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : We don’t want all that ‘character’ spilling out and getting onto everything.

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.09.15 09:55:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Judging by how this group of over-the-hill individuals played, these were the positions on the field.
    1. (vacant)
    2. du Plessis
    3. Jannie & Beast (th’s are there to scrum, that’s all!)
    4. Lood
    5. (vacant)
    7. Lood
    8. (vacant)
    9. P-i–e—n—-a—–a——-r (read slowly ;-) )
    10. Schalk & Lambie
    11. Mvovo
    12. Matfield
    13. Gaping Hole
    14. (vacant)
    15. (vacant)

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.09.15 09:57:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 4) : About right…but we also went away from our mauls too quickly on several occasions as if we thought that would surprise them…it never did! What it did do is take us away from our biggest strength…

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.09.15 09:58:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 8) : I will be happy to donate some drop sheets for the occasion.

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.09.15 10:00:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : Yup…

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.09.15 10:01:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 10) : Also did not understand why we did not use the maul more often.

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.09.15 10:01:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • In shock too, it was a complete debacle. One asks ones self, why didn’t the experienced players get into a huddle and say guys, lets sort this out. We need to chip the ball into space behind them and stop their rush defence. We need to stay calm, play basic rugby and we will score. It’s like they all went missing. The only thing I’m holding onto is that France lost to Tonga in the last world cup and made the final and in 2007 we pommeled England first up and they made the final. Here is my team for Samoa;

    15) Willie le Roux (we need some creativity in the backline)
    14) Bryan Habana (but really should be Skosan)
    13) Jessie Kriel (please don’t miss another vital tackle)
    12) Damian de Allende
    11) Lwazi Mvovo
    10) Pat Lambie
    9) Fourie du Preez
    8) Duane Vermeulen
    7) Siya Kolisi
    6) Flouw
    5) Eben Etzebeth or PSTD depending on injury status
    4) Lood de Jager
    3) Frans Malherbe
    2) Schalk Brits
    1) Trevor Nyakane

    If only Warren Whiteley was there as captain with the likes of Jaco Kriel, Mostert, Julian Redlinghuys, Schalk van der Merwe, Nizaam Carr, Vincent Koch, Steven Kitshoff, Brussouw, Faf de Klerk, Elton Jantjes, Harold Vorster, Lionel Mapoe, Courtnal Skosan & Cheslin Kolbe….one can only dream!

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.09.15 10:02:21 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 9) : :mrgreen: Calling Krusty the Klown vacant is slightly too complimentary for my liking!

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.09.15 10:02:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 13) : The frustrating thing is we had several golden opportunities within 10m of their line where we voluntarily went away from the maul with an individual runner who was then bundled out, turned over or tackled back. Why exactly?

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.09.15 10:05:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 4) : Glad to see you here, nay news on Kings sponsorship yet?

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.09.15 10:12:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • These days it’s simple, kick for corner, win your lineout and maul the ball over the line. It literally is a given try…

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.09.15 10:13:12 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • Ray Mordt’s comments in the Tribune are the most astute summation of this catastrophe.
    He questions why in this day and age one single man has the complete authority to select the team.
    The blame lays squarely at Meyer’s door and no where else.
    He chose this team on his own and he is to blame.How could we have started the first game of the World Cup with a lock at 7,a lock who has hardly played a game of rugby in 6 months
    Meanwhile his selected flank is relegated to the bench,and the best 7 in the country is left in Durban.
    He left with an injured no8 who is unfit to start the tournament so he starts with a makeshift 8,while the next best 8 is left in JHB.
    His 6 hasn’t played a game in weeks and it shows, and the guy who should be there is in Bloem.
    His reserve prop is totally match unfit and has absolutely no discipline,the best prop in the country is left in Cape Town.
    His captain and no 12 is absolutely abysmal so concerned with his lack of any sembelance of form that he is unable to concentrate on anything else.
    Lastly the mental condition of Meyer is a concern the man is a nervous wreck,compare his emotional instability to the calm demeanour of Eddie Jones,Hansen,or any of the other coaches.
    This man has single handily wiped his arse with the Bok jersey.

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.09.15 10:17:59 by The hound Reply
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  • Ray Mordt you beauty, well summed up!

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.09.15 10:24:23 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • We need to give credit to the Japanese too, I reckon they played the game of their lives and Eddie Jones needs a standing ovation for the game plan.

    There is way to much in the SA media about how kak the Boks were and not enough about how great the Japanese were.

    Go read some of the articles on nzherald for instance for an objective view.

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.09.15 10:24:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I reckon I’m a minority who thinks this but I get the feeling that HM is trying to get the Bok to play like the ABs. The cost of this, has been to sacrifice our traditional strengths of brutal defence, ruthlessly efficient set pieces, and tactical superiority.
    It seems like we’ve just got a thin spread of sheyt now. Average to poor across the board trying to play some kind of mystical “Total Rugby” or “Attacking Rugby”. If I never hear these two phrases again it will be too soon.

    Congrats Japan and good luck in your game against Scotland! Also hats off to the Bok supporters at Brighton who made a guard of honour for the Japanese supporters getting on the trains.

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.09.15 10:25:19 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 19) : Its really not that complicated. Heyneke’s no.1 game plan and ideas havnt worked and he is in panic mode now and not sure what to do. He put his faith and game plan in players he believed would deliver for him. They havnt. Every coach lives or dies by his choices and so must Meyer.

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.09.15 10:27:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Can we fake injuries and bring in proper players?

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.09.15 10:29:42 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 17) : what sponsorship :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.09.15 10:31:42 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : The question remains – would Japan have had the same success vs NZ, Oz, Ireland or England…?

    I don’t think so.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.09.15 10:32:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Keen to hear from the HM apologists on this one. :lol:

    Frankly, I’m shocked that we lost to Japan, but not that we were horrible. This was clear to anyone who didn’t fall for the media whitewashing and the last few kicks from a dying horse.

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.09.15 10:34:57 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : Wrong he chose his team based on his personal preferences and not on their match fitness.He should never have left here with unfit,injured and match rusty players.
    He had a whole Rugby Championship to find his fittest ,best team and a few weeks to prepare them.
    He in his total arrogance, chose not to.

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.09.15 10:37:54 by The hound Reply
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  • I am an avid reader of Sharksworld but never comment.
    Today I would like to say one thing. By the end of that game, if you weren’t cheering on Japan to get the win, then you are not a true rugby loving proudly south african bok supporter.

    Bok and Shark rugby are completely bereft of new ideas, innovation, finesse and passion.

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.09.15 10:38:21 by Hammerkop Reply

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  • shit boys, I am in for potentially a hugely expensive holiday watching teams I dont give a crap about. our whole family RWC trip was planned around the Boks finishing first in the group and due to the easy route dismantling the runner up of England, Australia or Wales.

    I am now hoping England finishes second in their pool so that we can at least watch England play in the QF on Twickers and then see the All Blacks play in the SF….Maybe the Bokke is part of at least one of these games

    If this was the USA, I could at least file a civil suite against Heyneke

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.09.15 10:38:27 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 24) :

    Who do you think Meyer will bring in?

    Pierre Spies, Juan Smith, Jacque Fourie, Bakkies Botha,

    To replace Willem, Duane, Jesse and Eben?

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.09.15 10:41:06 by Letgo Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 19) : It is hard to disagree with any of that…

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.09.15 10:42:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) : Happy birthday Maria!

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.09.15 10:43:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : Fair comment…though one can understand it because we were super kak!

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.09.15 10:43:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Letgo…hahah, nope Kitshoff, Koch, Whiteley, Jaco Kriel, Mapoe, Vorster, Carr & Kolbe

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.09.15 10:44:10 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 25) : wanneer kom Cheeky se skip in? hoor elke week dit gaan die grootste een in SA rugby geskiedenis wees….

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.09.15 10:44:24 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 24) : We’re very close to not having to fake it! :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.09.15 10:45:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Hammerkop (Comment 29) : sadly I cannot disagree

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.09.15 10:45:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • I reckon our SA Schools side could have beaten Japan on the weekend…

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.09.15 10:48:01 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 30) : Sorry man…though I still think we will top our group! Maybe I’m just too optimistic…

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.09.15 10:48:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 32) : This goes back to the discussion we had here weeks ago about Bok trials.
    Where in the old days a team of selectors chose the team on the form they displayed in a live trial,
    Not fit for the trial,then not fit for the tournament no matter the size of your rep,or who your father or grandfather was..

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.09.15 10:48:18 by The hound Reply
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  • So I hear the Boks are relieved that Jean and Flouw came through with a clean bill of health after taking bad hits during the game???

    :| :| :| :sad:

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.09.15 10:48:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) : Kakaka…

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.09.15 10:48:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) : It’s your birthday? Happy, happy…hope the year ahead is the opposite of Saturday’s rugby!

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.09.15 10:50:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 28) : Bud thats exactly what i said. He had his preferred group of players that he thought would deliver for him. Through form and injury they have not.
    To play devils advocate…Both Jake White and PDivvy also picked their group of players they believed in and stuck to them throughout. It worked for Jake, lesser extent PDivvy but hasnt with Meyer. But they all did the same thing.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.09.15 10:50:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 39) : That’s probably pushing it…I reckon Japan will cause more damage at this world cup…

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.09.15 10:51:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • has ANY other coach in world rugby also lost to Argentina and Japan?

    last 6 tests: Wales (lost), Australia (lost), All Blacks (lost), Argentina (lost), Argentina (won), Japan (lost) this truely has to be worse than the Strauli days now

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.09.15 10:51:17 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Jean looked like he had a cheek augmentation of Sat, what the heck has he done to his face!

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.09.15 10:51:46 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 47) : Just wow… :shock:

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.09.15 10:53:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 41) : Well hence my question that wouldnt a ‘Bok Trial’ be a more effective game than one vs a World Xv?

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.09.15 10:53:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Pastorshark, OK then the Lions….

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.09.15 10:53:07 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) : I thought exactly the same, but then we dropped that game plan against Argentina, HM panicked and then said we’d go back to our old style, so there was all our momentum towards a ‘complete’ gameplan lost.

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.09.15 10:53:46 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : I was left in awe by the game the Japanese played and we had the crazy scenario in our house where we were all willing them on to at least draw the game, the fact that they had the guts and self belief to go for the win just made our admiration of them grow a bit more.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.09.15 10:54:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 33) :

    Thanks, Happy indeed! ;-)

    Actually, the Japan result was so shocking it wasn’t even upsetting. Every now and then I would burst out laughing and say – “So the Boks lost to Japan.” I actually find it quite funny, but I also find it funny when someone walks into a sliding door, or puts their head into a roof fan, or trips and falls, so …

    Also, I liked a lot of the things the Sharks did on Saturday … their handling especially was very encouraging to me.

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.09.15 10:55:30 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : Why only figurative? lol

    I am still heartsore. I have tried to stop swearing and yet I would find myself muttering curses under my breath for about an hour after the game.

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.09.15 10:56:00 by StevieS Reply
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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 25) : Pity, there is a lot about that team I like and I think with the proper backing they can grow into a really good team. Its going to be a slog.

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.09.15 10:57:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I found it quite amusing, seeing the look of panic of MAtfield and de Villiers face at about the 77th minute when they realised they were going to lose.
    Too precious.

    Like most i found myself rooting for Japan at the end – they played the better rugby and showed us up for the one-trick ponies that we are. Only the trick isnt working anymore.

    Dont detract from how good Japan was. They has a master gameplan from one of the best minds the rugby world has seen. And they executed marvellously.

    Meyer and his merry men are, for the most past, relics of the game from a time when size and power were waht won you games.
    These days it takes nous to unlock defensive systems.

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.09.15 10:57:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • who was the last Bok coach to be so “hated” by most supporters?

    Divvy was maybe considered a clown for his comments but his results against the top teams still easily trumps HM’s. Strauli for Staaldraad? Markgraaf???

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.09.15 10:59:27 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 53) : I am ashamed to admit that I already had that feeling at the Argentina test in Durban.We were so lucky we didn’t play them on Saturday the margin of defeat would have been more than 2 points,the Blacks sweated big time in that game.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.09.15 10:59:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 54) : Well I’m glad that you aren’t allowing your teams to spoil your birthday. Good for you! Enjoy!

    @StevieS (Comment 55) : I guess I just don’t want to be ‘that guy’ who advocates suicide on a public blog. As much as I dislike the people responsible for the disaster I’d be content with them simply taking a few million steps away from the Bok setup. :grin:

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.09.15 11:00:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 22) : Can’t agree. We played that rugby in our narrow losses to Aus and NZ, looked good, then abandoned that way of playing.

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.09.15 11:00:50 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 51) : Fair enough…

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.09.15 11:01:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 52) : Something like that, yes…

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.09.15 11:02:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : I would love them to do that, but then Meyer’s favourites would be shown up and we can’t have that now, can we?

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.09.15 11:02:24 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 53) : yes they had the kahuunas!

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.09.15 11:03:15 by Poisy Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 63) : mr pastor you did not answer my question on saturday!

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.09.15 11:04:05 by Poisy Reply
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  • Send in Johan Ackermann to save the day…..loved that pic of him about to slap the English hooker Lee Mears…

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.09.15 11:04:08 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 59) : The Argies will be a tough proposition for whoever runs into them in the quarters!

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.09.15 11:05:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 66) : I invited you to send me a mail…go check the thread again and you’ll see it complete with email address… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.09.15 11:07:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 58) :

    PDivvy, for all his inane media statements, was a very good coach.
    I often wonder how much of what he said was deliberately misinterpreted.

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 69) : so much work :cry:

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.09.15 11:11:41 by Poisy Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 70) : at the moment I would not mind him being at the Sharks at all. the current stock has no leg to stand on. Plus looking at the way Smit has been employing people, we would just need Dick Muir and we would have the coaching combo that won a Tri Nations and beat the BI Lions in 2011….

    how bad can that be for Sharks rugby?

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.09.15 11:12:05 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 71) : Marriage is big enough to justify the work… :lol:

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.09.15 11:13:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 41) :

    Yeah, I would have loved to see

    I would have loved to see these our RWC Boks (or HM’s buddies) to go up against:

    15. Willie le Roux, 14. Ruan Combrinck, 13. Lionel Mapoe, 12. Damian de Allende, 11. Francois Hougaard, 10. Elton Jantjies, 9. Faf de Klerk, 8. Warren Whiteley, 7. Marcell Coetzee, 6. Jaco Kriel, 5. Franco Moster, 4. Ruan Botha, 3. Vincent Koch, 2. Scarra Ntubeni, 1. Steven Kitshoff

    As well as these players who (especially over Schalk/Jean/Kirchner/Ruan/Matfield) I would prefer any:

    Fullback: Coetzee/ Kolbe/ Ruan Combrinck
    Centers: Lionel Mapoe/ Voster/ Sadie/ De Jongh/ Damian/Frans Steyn/Jan/Odendaal/Robert Ebersohn
    Flyhalf: Jantjies
    Scrumhalf: Faf/Hougaard/Reinach/Paige
    Eightman: Whiteley/ Carr
    Blindside: Marcell/ Mahoje/ Ruan Botha Rhodes
    Openside: Kriel/ Brussouw
    Locks: Mostert/ Jean Kleyn/Ruan Botha/ Jeacques du Plesses
    Tighthead: Koch/ Malherbe/ Julian Redelinghuis
    Hooker: Britz/ Scarra,
    Loosehead: Nyakane/ Schalk vd Merwe/Kitshoff

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.09.15 11:14:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 72) : I’m not completely convinced…

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.09.15 11:14:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 26) : Probably not, but the fact is that they knew exactly how the Boks would play AND that they don’t have a plan B and orchestrated a win.

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.09.15 11:18:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 70) : One of my biggest peeves with him was how he made the Boks a laughing stock at times with some of his weirder comments. Enter Meyer, stage left.

    Oh, hindsight, you cruel, cruel mistress :???:

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.09.15 11:18:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 53) : True that, my non-rugby wife and daughter were dumb struck when I willed Japan to score that last try.

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.09.15 11:20:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 77) : The thing is…Heyneke did a lot that was good in 2013 and 2014…but somehow (be it because injuries caused panic or something) everything has fallen apart in the last 10 months…

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.09.15 11:23:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 75) : neither am I but can it get worse??

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.09.15 11:24:33 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 73) : done :)

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.09.15 11:26:01 by Poisy Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 79) :
    What good was that – apart from getting results from a team he inherited? Serious question.

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.09.15 11:29:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 79) : Objectively: no Rugby Championship wins, no win against the AB’s in NZ but losses against teams we’ve never lost against before. I’m not saying I want Divvy back but Meyer has plunged new depths in this particular barrel. Maybe he can make things right given another four years but can we honestly risk it?

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.09.15 11:31:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 82) : Well, I really liked some of the changes towards a more adventurous game that he introduced…

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.09.15 11:34:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I haven’t been happy with the Bok tactics since 2007. Even before that, Jake White’s strategies weren’t always good. Eddie Jones made a huge difference at the 2007 WC and instilled creativity into our play.

    Since then the Boks have stagnated. If we can’t run over our opponents then we don’t know how to get past them.

    Offloading in the tackle and running angles aren’t an option for some reason. Even Georgia and the USA looked like better ball players than us this weekend. The Uruguyans, who are all amateurs, played with more heart and creativity than the Boks!

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.09.15 11:35:14 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 83) : I cannot argue against that…

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.09.15 11:35:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 83) : p divvy for sharks coach

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.09.15 11:36:02 by Poisy Reply
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  • Soo the question nobody has really asked here is…did Burger do enough on Sat to warrant another start at 10? Or can his performance be blamed on the poor service from Ruan Pienaar. Kolisi should start so that he can go have a lie down after 10min so isnt too tired for the after match function. Is Habana still waiting on the wing at Brighton stadium? Can somebody go fetch him, his kit is in the changeroom and they want to clean up. Alberts has asked the nation to be patient…he is just finishing up a bit of shopping but promises to make at least 1 or 2 practices this week but unfortunately he has a day trip planned for Saturday so cannot attend the game. Coenie has apparently picked up a bit of a niggle after running on and off the field so much. Rudy Paige was apparently very pleased with Matfield and how considerate he was not to get his white pants dirty as they really are tough to wash.

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.09.15 11:36:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 85) : It is pretty sad that there are so few arguments one can raise against that…

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.09.15 11:36:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 84) :
    Really searching hard for that silver lining there. ..

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.09.15 11:37:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Jimmy Stonehouse for Sharks coach!

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.09.15 11:37:52 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.09.15 11:38:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 90) : No silver lining…I’m talking about a silver portion of the cloud that was there two years ago but has disappeared altogether!

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.09.15 11:39:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : I think Burger should at least be afforded the same amount of opportunities at flyhalf as Pollard. It’s only fair! And besides Burger is far bigger than all our other flyhalves which must surely mean he’s the best option.

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.09.15 11:39:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 91) : Rather steal Jones from under the noses of the Stormers! :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.09.15 11:40:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 79) : I agree. I was so sure we were on the right track back then. Our primary strengths weren’t diluted, but we injected x-factor stuff through le roux. Even though the team was primarily a defensive machine, we still scored the most tries or 2nd most in those years.
    I wonder if beating the ABs with an expansive game last year has been a curse.

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.09.15 11:40:13 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 96) : Basically…

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.09.15 11:41:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 89) : only the Boks seems to be not playing with pace into space at the moment. I cna t see this changing vs Samoa but we should not try and dominate them physically. can the Bokke for once show tactical nous?

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.09.15 11:41:27 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 87) : I don’t know. I do see some sense in the argument that the Sharks need a strict headmaster as head coach more than the cool teacher that bums smokes off you during breaks.

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.09.15 11:42:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 94) : Your sarcasm is very risky…if HM reads this he may just take it seriously! And we don’t want that!! :lol:

  • Comment 100, posted at 21.09.15 11:42:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 83) : Imagine if the A.Holes at Saru had ,had a single working brain cell amongst them,and after they disposed of White had looked at his World Cup winning set up and identified the magic that is Eddie Jones.
    They could have contracted him then and we would have won the 2011 World Cup.
    What is needed here isa coach who is unencumbered by provincial bias,and political agendas.
    Someone who can come in and find the best rugby team in the country.
    But then we are talking about the same people who refused to allow him to wear the Bok blazer.
    He must have remembered that slur when Japan scored the final try.

  • Comment 101, posted at 21.09.15 11:42:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 98) : Look, the last 6 test matches have convinced HM to go back to a very one dimensional game. I don’t even have such a problem with that. It’s just that we’re doing even that poorly with some frankly stupid variations!

  • Comment 102, posted at 21.09.15 11:43:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 101) : Eddie Jones wouldnt hav cut it as Bok head coach. Assistant is easy as you dont hav to deal with the other stuff. International coaches would struggle in the SA setup as a head coach. As an assistant all they need to do is coach.

  • Comment 103, posted at 21.09.15 11:45:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 101) : *blazer* :shock:

  • Comment 104, posted at 21.09.15 11:46:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 101) : I wonder if there’s any way SARU can pry Jones from the fingers of Smal. Apparently Jones hasn’t signed yet. Or is that simply wishful thinking?

  • Comment 105, posted at 21.09.15 11:46:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 105) : That won’t happen! Now if the Sharks were to doing the prying… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 21.09.15 11:48:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 105) : Jones can name his salary package from this point on.

  • Comment 107, posted at 21.09.15 11:49:49 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 107) : I honestly think Jones should retire right now, write the book, sell the movie rights and live off the royalties.

  • Comment 108, posted at 21.09.15 11:52:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 106) : My sentiment exactly. If John can get off his bike long enough to make that his main focus. It would Def make up for losing psdt to wp. They can have the lock we want the coach.

  • Comment 109, posted at 21.09.15 11:52:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Well during the game, whenever they showed Eddie Jones I was like, dangit thats the next Stormers coach, but as the game went on I realised that maybe, just maybe he could be the next Bok coach.

  • Comment 110, posted at 21.09.15 11:53:09 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 108) : He did say something amazingly close to that after the match…

  • Comment 111, posted at 21.09.15 11:56:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 87) : Pdivvy’s recent record with UWC was really not very inspiring, not by a long shot.

  • Comment 112, posted at 21.09.15 11:57:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 111) : I didn’t stick around for post-match interviews but I assume it was a comment made in jest?

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.09.15 12:11:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • If he hasnt signed yet then Im sure that the Japanese (amongst many others) will throw a mountain of cash at him just to keep him.

  • Comment 114, posted at 21.09.15 12:12:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 1) : I’ll go with what Pastorshark said: WOW!!!

    I think if you ask what specifically went wrong with the game against Japan, each person on this site will come up with a different answer… just shows how much was wrong!!!

  • Comment 115, posted at 21.09.15 12:13:52 by CS Reply

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  • So here’s where I think we’re screwed…

    We have 3 centres in our 31 man squad… and not ONE of them can defend! At least 2 of them are “allegedly” brilliant at attacking… but the Boks use their forwards to attack, so attacking centres are useless with the Bok gameplan. What we need are defending centres, which we just don’t have… so we are basically screwed, because with the squad HM has selected, now we can’t fix the problem even if we wanted to!

    Argentina worked out our centres can’t defend… and I think Japan did the same… and now so will everyone else we come up against too…

    If this is all we have, we are seriously at risk of going 0 from 4 games at this world cup!!

  • Comment 116, posted at 21.09.15 12:18:35 by CS Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 114) : If I was Japan… After this weekend, I’d be throwing a bucket load of cash at Eddie to get him to change his mind (for the sake of their 2019 WC, the Japanese just MUST have Eddie as their coach)… and we all know the Japanese have more cash to throw than any SA Superrugby franchise!

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.09.15 12:20:46 by CS Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 70) : You my son don’t have a darn clue what you talking about.
    Divvy was riding JW’s wave, in fact HM is also riding whats left of his wave.

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.09.15 12:30:01 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Gimme Jake White as head coach, with Plumtree as his forwards/technical assistant at the Boks.

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.09.15 12:31:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 118) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 119) : I don’t believe we would’ve won in 2007 without Eddie Jones

  • Comment 120, posted at 21.09.15 12:33:47 by CS Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) : I assume so…

  • Comment 121, posted at 21.09.15 12:34:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) : I also didn’t see it…just read it. He said it at the post-match press conference…

  • Comment 122, posted at 21.09.15 12:35:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) : Maybe it is his way of getting out of anything he’s signed for the Stormers so that he can then make an immediate comeback with the Sharks? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 123, posted at 21.09.15 12:36:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 120) : Agree on that…JW has always lacked technical ability and an ability to develop player skills.

    In saying that though, a JW/Plumtree combo would be as close to Eddie Jones as SA could muster.

  • Comment 124, posted at 21.09.15 12:38:14 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 123) : @pastorshark (Comment 123) : We can all dream lol

    I would love to read that after the RWC.

  • Comment 125, posted at 21.09.15 12:39:08 by StevieS Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 119) : You can add Chris Boyd on that list.

  • Comment 126, posted at 21.09.15 12:40:23 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 120) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 124) : I think it’s more about a willingness to give players some freedom to play what’s in front of them and to come up with moves to get the backline going.

  • Comment 127, posted at 21.09.15 12:40:27 by StevieS Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 124) : Funny how JW would be the perfect candidate to coach SA now that we back to a similar situation of 2003….

  • Comment 128, posted at 21.09.15 12:44:14 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Did you guys see how relaxed Eddie Jones was throughout the game… It was amazing how cool & calm he was… in particular compared to HM

  • Comment 129, posted at 21.09.15 12:47:58 by CS Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 126) : …”sweet dreams are made of this”…

    But this is saru: ineptitude in charge of appointing ineptitude. :evil:

  • Comment 130, posted at 21.09.15 12:48:35 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Has anyone else also noticed how all the other coaching teams sit as a group… but where were the rest of the Springbok coaching team… all I saw was HM standing on his own?

  • Comment 131, posted at 21.09.15 12:49:33 by CS Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 128) : Best to go with a guy that have shown his credentials re: rebuilding a team.

    @CS (Comment 129) : Then we still wonder why our team can’t handle pressure – they’re being coached by mr. Cucumber himself.

  • Comment 132, posted at 21.09.15 12:50:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 128) : Anyone watched Montpelier’s games? Are they also playing a kick based game plan with defense?

  • Comment 133, posted at 21.09.15 12:51:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 131) : Dude needs to buy a deodorant,doesn’t he.
    But seriously Sadam Hussein would look cool calm and collected next to Meyer,the boy needs valium

  • Comment 134, posted at 21.09.15 12:53:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 131) : Yeh i was actually wondering that too? Where were the assistants and laptops etc? looked like Meyer was standing outside the coaching box all game. @CS (Comment 129) : To be fair Jones didnt have anything to lose in this game so zero pressure, id also be relaxed

  • Comment 135, posted at 21.09.15 12:58:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : I haven’t seen a game so cant really comment on that.

  • Comment 136, posted at 21.09.15 12:59:29 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 136) : Yeh i was just curious if he stuck with his tried and tested or if moulded it accordign to who he has there.

  • Comment 137, posted at 21.09.15 13:01:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 134) : I don’t think his heart will survive the world cup.

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 138) : So would the ref stop time if a coach got injured?

  • Comment 139, posted at 21.09.15 13:04:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 138) : I thought Luddeke looked quite calm in the Samoan Box

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  • @The hound (Comment 140) : Fijian box ;-)

  • Comment 141, posted at 21.09.15 13:09:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 141) : sorry I watched so many games this weekend.

  • Comment 142, posted at 21.09.15 13:10:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 140) : I have never actually seen Ludeke being agitated.

  • Comment 143, posted at 21.09.15 13:11:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 116) : Kotaro Matsushima, Sharks U19 player, split them open. :lol:

  • Comment 144, posted at 21.09.15 13:11:48 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 139) : Don’t know, but the Bok management may have to invest in a portable defibrillator.

  • Comment 145, posted at 21.09.15 13:12:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 143) : The guy is the father of infant triplets so I suppose time at the game is his quiet time.

  • Comment 146, posted at 21.09.15 13:17:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 145) : Nah an icepack will suffice

  • Comment 147, posted at 21.09.15 13:25:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 117) : Maybe it will be too late… WP rugby are having a press conference at 14.30 this afternoon, speculation is that it is to announce their new coach ie Eddie Jonses.

  • Comment 148, posted at 21.09.15 13:29:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 148) : They’re probably scampering to announce it before Japan changes his mind… I bet they crapped themselves after the weekend :-)

    I’m sure he would’ve asked them to only announce it after the WC so there are no distractions for him or his team during the WC. If WP do announce it today, then I’m sure that will mean they’ve gone back on an agreement with him… but I’m just guessing

  • Comment 149, posted at 21.09.15 13:39:29 by CS Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : Van Graan, HM’s right hand man, is part of the water team. he relays instructions from HM to Matfield. always been like this.

    having watched Van Graan in action in the past he is usually proactive with calls but I have also seen him and HM disagree a lot on these ;-) but it is difficult to see from TV.

    looks like HM might have retreated to a dictatorship…

  • Comment 150, posted at 21.09.15 13:40:37 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 150) : Yeh Van Graan often on the field running water. But what about Loubsher? Pieter DeVilliers? Seems like every man on his own mission. Same as on the field with De Villiers, Matfield, Burger.

  • Comment 151, posted at 21.09.15 13:46:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 150) : That’s par for the course with Bok coaches according to Gavin Rich in The Poisoned Chalice.

  • Comment 152, posted at 21.09.15 13:54:45 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 149) : Apparently the Japanese are already annoyed that there is speculation that he is going, they feel that Jones was disrespecting the team by already signing (or it becoming known) before the world cup is over. I read that last week, today – Imsure they just love him.

  • Comment 153, posted at 21.09.15 14:03:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I think 4 years is 2 years too much for SA coaches. Look at our last 3 and they hit their peak at 2 years and then all regressed (White’s RWC was flukey and largely down to Eddie Jones coming in).

    SA coaches are just not intelligent or adaptable enough for 4 years. Other teams work them out in the 3rd year and nothing changes.

  • Comment 154, posted at 21.09.15 14:23:05 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Give Bok coaches 2 year contracts.

  • Comment 155, posted at 21.09.15 14:23:47 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • The Boks are now ranked 6th. Even Wales are ahead of them. Three NH teams are above them and actually 6th is probably about right because I don’t think we would beat England, Ireland or Wales at the moment. We’d struggle to beat Argentina, ranked below us. We are just a kak team these days and expect it to only get worse in the coming years with all the political nonsense hanging over the team.

  • Comment 156, posted at 21.09.15 14:37:08 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 156) : I’m afraid you could be right :cry:

  • Comment 157, posted at 21.09.15 14:41:31 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 148) : And its been announced – Jones to coach Stormers from 2016.

  • Comment 158, posted at 21.09.15 14:43:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 158) : They’re so lucky, and meanwhile we get…?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • Comment 159, posted at 21.09.15 14:46:31 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 154) : U do have a good point. I just dont know if any coach would only sign for 2 yrs. 3yrs is possible with a review after 2 so if results taking a dive can make a change with 2yrs left before a world cup.

  • Comment 160, posted at 21.09.15 14:49:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 158) : So, this will be the first year in which the Streamers win the 2016 SR trophy in September 2015 already :twisted:

  • Comment 161, posted at 21.09.15 14:50:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 118) :

    Insightful comment.
    Added so much to the conversation.

    Suppose you still one of those that think we “deserved” to win in 2007.

    2007 did us a great injustice. It made us think the stampkar rugby we play is the way the world of rugby is going. Its not.
    At least PdV tried to coach the players to play the situation, unlike both JW and HM.

    Maaaar nou ja.

  • Comment 162, posted at 21.09.15 14:50:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 154) : @SheldonK (Comment 160) : Bok coach need to go through a review process, where his game plan, structures, assistant coaches are reviewed for the following year.

    This has to be a yearly process, and assessment has to be done by all the provincial/franchise coaches in SA.

  • Comment 163, posted at 21.09.15 14:53:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 161) :

    We havent been able to win it this early before – was always the Sharks that had dibs on it.

  • Comment 164, posted at 21.09.15 14:53:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 161) : I think im going to need a map to follow super rugby next year…dont know how much interest there will be. Have heard that CC and vodacom cup set for a shake up tho

  • Comment 165, posted at 21.09.15 14:53:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 164) : You’re right, you guys normally win it by Feb :twisted:

  • Comment 166, posted at 21.09.15 14:54:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • So…will the Stormers become the Japanese SR team?! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 167, posted at 21.09.15 14:55:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 163) : Thats very impractical and would never happen. If a Bok coach is micro managed you will never get a top coach to agree to it. I would rather the Bok coach be made to work with each provincial setup for a month during the year so that he has access to both the players and can see what is being done on a provincial level. Bok coach should answer to those that appoint him not the provincial coaches. Again you dont want too many cooks…

  • Comment 168, posted at 21.09.15 14:56:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Seems to me everyone is overlooking two massive positives that came out of the weekend loss:

    1) Japanese rugby has just received a super-sized shot in the arm, the value of which is massive in relation to ensuring support for the game with the eye on the 2019 World Cup

    2) My opinion of Heyneke Meyer as being a grade A imbecile has been now been backed up with irrefutable evidence

  • Comment 169, posted at 21.09.15 14:58:10 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 161) : Don’t joke. With a great coach and a youngster that looks like he can be a decent flyhalf, the Stormers may just end up doing it in 2016.

  • Comment 170, posted at 21.09.15 14:59:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 169) : We also got 2 points…so kinda like we drew ;)

  • Comment 171, posted at 21.09.15 15:00:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/WorldCup/Eddie-Jones-named-new-Stormers-coach-20150921
    Damn…

  • Comment 172, posted at 21.09.15 15:05:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 172) : Worst kept secret! Did we really think the Sharks would sign him? hahahah

  • Comment 173, posted at 21.09.15 15:08:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 162) : In 2007 we did not play just stampkar rugby…

  • Comment 174, posted at 21.09.15 15:09:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • STORMERS just announced EDDIE JONES as their coach for 2016. He is to arrive in CT after the world cup so as to start with his preparations for the SR. Gert Smal says he has more player announcements to make. I am finding a new hobby. I officially hate John Smit, Brendan Venter and Gary Gold. That’s for reducing this proud union to shit. Only way to make me change my view is to sign John Mitchell. I don’t care if you think he is too hard. He brings the technical skills,look for a backline coach that is strong technically and also strong on the soft skills.

  • Comment 175, posted at 21.09.15 15:10:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 173) : No…but still…damn…

  • Comment 176, posted at 21.09.15 15:11:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • So just a thought here..with Eddie Jones signing as stormers coach it leaves John Dobson out in the cold again. He has produced good teams at Ikeys and WP and i feel a few names could follow should he move to Durban for example…just throwing it out there

  • Comment 177, posted at 21.09.15 15:13:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 162) : Divvy should never have been there, and a disgrace to any bok team. Alistar Coetzee should have taken us forward from there on. Divvy is only very tactical with the manner in which he behaves, this includes burning the bok jersey a few months ago. He is a political pawn, and he knows this.

  • Comment 178, posted at 21.09.15 15:21:25 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 178) :

    Dude, no offence, but you need ot think about things and not just parrot the crap you read online.

    Divvy was invited to speak at an event, where they burned the jersey afterwards.
    He didnt burn the jersey himself. But why challenge your prejudice.

    As for a disgrace – how is it that he has a better record than both the coach before and after him?
    What we have now is a goddam disgrace. Losses against Argentina, Ireland, Wales and Japan within the space of 12 months.
    How is it that Divvy is a disgrace with his results? Does that make HM a double, double, triple disgrace?

    All that counts is the score on the scoreboard and that is not influenced by what you say to a reporter that can cherry-pick comments and make you to look a fool.

    Results are what counts, not soundbites.

  • Comment 179, posted at 21.09.15 15:35:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Another positive is that they will now stop contracting our players now that they know that theirs are better.

  • Comment 180, posted at 21.09.15 15:38:22 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 178) :

    BTW – by all account JW shouldnt have been there either. He had an almost identical pedigree to Divvy when he became Bok coach.

  • Comment 181, posted at 21.09.15 15:38:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 180) :

    Lol. Very good.

  • Comment 182, posted at 21.09.15 15:38:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 175) :

    Dude, there’s an easier way… just change allegiance to a union that does care.
    And if WP loses, well, there’s still like the mountain dude…

    When you join we’ll all give you a free hug.

  • Comment 183, posted at 21.09.15 15:39:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Just imagine, had JW not been shown the door, and stuck around as DoR – then we know where Eddie would rather have gone.

    Oh well….we will have our turn, hopefully before our 200 year celebration. :sad:

  • Comment 184, posted at 21.09.15 15:41:35 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • So, just like that, the Gold apologists lose their excuse that there are just no proven match winner coaches out there for the Sharks to sign… anything the Stormers do the Sharks can do better, no?

  • Comment 185, posted at 21.09.15 15:43:50 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 185) : Bud i dunno where you have been hiding but the Stormers have a lot more pulling power than the Sharks…a lot more

  • Comment 186, posted at 21.09.15 15:45:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 175) : according to Rob Otto, Mitchell will “never” work under Smit. Have no clue why myself but there must be a reason for such an inflexible stance. So ja nee.

  • Comment 187, posted at 21.09.15 15:46:24 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 185) : I believe HM will be available at a very very low price after the world cup…just maybe John can pull some strings. :twisted:

  • Comment 188, posted at 21.09.15 15:46:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 186) : kaka man. The Sharks used to at least. We need to identify what has changed if it has (which I don’t believe).

  • Comment 189, posted at 21.09.15 15:47:24 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 187) : Smit fired his best friend. It’s as simple as that

  • Comment 190, posted at 21.09.15 15:47:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 186) : Surely the greatest pulling power down there is the Cape itself – after all, Eddie did say that he might retire after the World Cup…I guess he’s cashing in on that one now. :twisted:

  • Comment 191, posted at 21.09.15 15:50:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Team of the 90s. World stars. Revolutionary marketing. Fans in all corners of the country and globe. Better Super Rugby results. We can never be less desirable than the Stormers.

    What they have now over us however is their city. It is a well run oasis compared to the rest of SA. I would rather live and work in CT over Durban any day now. Not so 15 years ago.

  • Comment 192, posted at 21.09.15 15:50:20 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 189) : Used to…as in a long time ago. Defending CC champs, successful junior sides, 2 top rugby unviversities, wp high performance institute, sa 7s side based in stellenbosch, SARU offices at newlands, decent crowd attendance at newlands, stable sponsorships. Im a sharks fan since i started watching rugby but i hav to be honest and say Sharks cant match that presently.

  • Comment 193, posted at 21.09.15 15:50:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 190) : thanks for the insight.

  • Comment 194, posted at 21.09.15 15:51:33 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 193) : the Sharks have never had strong feeder teams or a strong university presence, and it never stopped us being an attractive union in the past. So it cannot just be as simple as that.

    I really do just think of it as circumstance. Cape Town is one of the best cities in the world. Durban is a rubbish tip.

  • Comment 195, posted at 21.09.15 15:54:00 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 190) : who is then actually viable?

    no Mallet, no Mitchel. Hawies also just signed. Swys? Stonehouse? Dobson? Deans? Schmidt?

  • Comment 196, posted at 21.09.15 15:54:19 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Chean Roux most likely also quite cheap after RWC….. his Maties sides were really exciting to watch and dominant

  • Comment 197, posted at 21.09.15 15:55:14 by Kabouter Reply

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  • There is no SA coach who will satisfy me as an able and suitable replacement. I want a proven match winner. Like Eddie Jones.

  • Comment 198, posted at 21.09.15 15:56:08 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 197) : Maybe get those SA names you mention in as assistant to the big dog we need to recruit. They don’t have relevant experience just yet.

  • Comment 199, posted at 21.09.15 15:57:18 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 198) : Robbie Deans or Joe Schmidt?

  • Comment 200, posted at 21.09.15 15:57:52 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 200) : I like Joe Schmidt… Dean already poured water on the idea but how serious did we entertain him? I suspect we didn’t do anything serious at all.

  • Comment 201, posted at 21.09.15 15:59:24 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 195) : It all adds up..not single item can be taken in isolation. What does Durban offer in your opinion? There is no production line for players, no stable sponsorships, poor current results, large group of senior boks just left. The fun seaside life used to lure players to durbs…guys arent looking for that anymore

  • Comment 202, posted at 21.09.15 15:59:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 198) : Argentinian coach – wonder hows his English?

  • Comment 203, posted at 21.09.15 16:01:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 199) : okay

    as we love doing here on Sharksworld, let wish:

    DoR GG (contract in place and not sure we can afford another buy-out unless there is a performance clause)
    HC Joe Schmidt
    AC Forwards: Rob du Preez / Jimmy Stonehouse
    AC Backs: Swys
    Tech analyst: Chean Roux
    Skills coach: Carlos Spencer
    VC coach: Everit / James Small
    u21 coach: Horak
    u19 coach: Anthonie
    Impey coach: Strudders
    Academy: Botes???

  • Comment 204, posted at 21.09.15 16:04:01 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 204) : Dont forget to keep a spot open for Brendon Venter to appear when we start winning a few games again

  • Comment 205, posted at 21.09.15 16:06:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 195) :

    Pedigree.
    And also, just a really strong rugby culture.
    Something like 8 of the top 20 rugby schools in SA are in the western cape, including 3 of the top 4.
    Then the top feeder club South Africa has ever seen, along with johnny-come-lately UCT, hoovering up all the uncontracted talent.

    That gives you a conveyor belt of players coming through, and coming from really diverse backgrounds, given the rugby playing demographic in Cape Town. ITs a place that produces enough decent players and has the reputation to contract the ones they need after that.

    Lastly, don’t forget Eddie Jones has already worked with John Smit previously, and might have very little appetite to do so once more.

    And also, as you aluded to, its Cape Town dude.

  • Comment 206, posted at 21.09.15 16:11:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 201) :

    Schmidt is being paid a fortune by the Irish and getting the best results theyve had in a generation.

    He aint coming to Durbs bro.

  • Comment 207, posted at 21.09.15 16:14:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • There hasnt been the slightest murmur of a possible coach been signed on yet for 2016 and i know its still the RWC and perhaps we may grab someone after but at the earliest that may be in Nov or Dec. That gives the guy a month to plan for super rugby and source talent. So chances of Sharks starting 2016 on the front foot? Dont forget a host of guys arriving late from Japan

  • Comment 208, posted at 21.09.15 16:18:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 208) :

    The problem the Sharks have is that any decent coach already has a home.
    I can guarantee you that the Stormers havent just been chasing Eddie’s signature for the last few weeks; such a move is months and months in the making.

    Lastly, which decorated international coach would want to work under John Smit, a CEO with zero previous expeirecne and a not overly impressive record since taking charge?

    When Smit was playing he didnt know when to leave. When he became CEO he didnt think to first get the experience before taking the top job.

  • Comment 209, posted at 21.09.15 16:22:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 205) : As if by magic…or to claim his fee for consulting so wisely….and frequently. …His Supersport blog contributions get more time than the sharks do….

  • Comment 210, posted at 21.09.15 16:22:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 209) : yeh look id hate to agree with a Wp man but lets be honest- in the current situation any top coach would be taking a gamble signing with the sharks. Id love to see someone of quality with a good ethos. Doesnt need to be an international superstar

  • Comment 211, posted at 21.09.15 16:24:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 209) : Sadly I have to agree with that asessment. It’s not unlike how we court big name players (lately). Clever management would be hunting guys who have been left at home by their country world cup coaches. Or looking at contract expiry of ex saffas and start talk way in advance. Maybe even look at oversupply or good player’s playing in the shadow of others like dan kriel or burger odendaal. But not sharks we want to play jackpot and now and then strike a luck then call it a major coup.

  • Comment 212, posted at 21.09.15 16:29:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 180) : You win the thread! :grin:

  • Comment 213, posted at 21.09.15 16:32:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • All the promises John Smit made to us are being delivered by Gert Smal in CT. If Snit needs to go for us to land a top quality coach. So be it.

  • Comment 214, posted at 21.09.15 16:36:01 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 180) : That’s what I said on the night we lost. Also boks like matfield seem incapable or terrified of tackling those 5 foot locks.

  • Comment 215, posted at 21.09.15 16:37:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 214) : IF?????

  • Comment 216, posted at 21.09.15 16:38:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Who is WP’s CEO? And what is his/her record of performance? Does John Smit unfairly cop it a bit simply because he is a household name? Leaving aside the general downward regression of the Sharks since he took over of course…

  • Comment 217, posted at 21.09.15 16:38:54 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Rassie Erasmus. After Saturday he must want to disassociate himself with saru “high performance” teams.

  • Comment 218, posted at 21.09.15 16:41:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 218) : Rassie for Coach.

  • Comment 219, posted at 21.09.15 16:42:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 212) :

    Agreed. Exactly that.

    You anyway don’t need superstars, you need a consistently reliable quality side, with a leadership and coaching staff that has a plan.
    The team just need to be good enough to execute the plan.
    It’s the Moneyball approach.
    To use an analogy, JS seems to want to smash every ball for six, instead of knocking the ball around for singles and 2s until he gets his eye in.

    Oh, and you need to coach defence in pre-season… ;-)

  • Comment 220, posted at 21.09.15 16:43:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 213) : Thank you squire. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 221, posted at 21.09.15 16:43:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Ha, ha, I hear some bright spark put up the Bok team for sale on Gumtree.

  • Comment 222, posted at 21.09.15 16:45:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 211) :

    Exactly. Would an engineer opt to go work for Sahara if Apple was interested?

  • Comment 223, posted at 21.09.15 16:46:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 222) : Beware. Many people have been scammed into buying inferior quality goods on Gumtree.

  • Comment 224, posted at 21.09.15 16:48:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 217) :

    Was Rob Wagner, but think he stepped downt his year.

    Started at WP as Marketing Manager in 1991…
    http://www.sportindustry.co.za/about-us/people/rob-wagner

  • Comment 225, posted at 21.09.15 16:50:49 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 216) :

    Agreed IF???.

    Problem is this will take years to fix. There’s a window in which you can appoint a quality coach. And its a small one, even when everythign is hunky dorey at the union.

  • Comment 226, posted at 21.09.15 16:52:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 217) : No. John is not required to review our financial statements, look at the dividend yield etc…he was appointed for rugby reasons. His main role is recruitment of coaches and players. And get sponsors. He is actually our commercial manager, DOR in one. So no.

  • Comment 227, posted at 21.09.15 16:56:16 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Wonder how long Jones will last in that septic cauldron that is Western Province,there are some really nasty forces at work there starting with Jabba the Hut good old Thelo whose daughters wear Crusaders jerseys to Stormers games.Last two D.O.R ‘s left without announcing they were leaving,Mallet and Rassie Erasmus.
    They took 12 years to win a title despite all the resources at their disposal,and the stadium is normally filled with more fans supporting the opposition than the locals.
    Just putting it out there.

  • Comment 228, posted at 21.09.15 17:00:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 224) : :lol:

  • Comment 229, posted at 21.09.15 17:01:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Ummm what the actual…

    “Ricardo Loubscher says the Springboks’ issues are minor and that the team will aim to score more tries at this World Cup”

    I’m not sure whether I should be laughing or crying at this.

  • Comment 230, posted at 21.09.15 17:01:47 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 228) : some nice balance after this site’s Province mouthpiece has been trying to convince us his team are Microsoft of the rugby world :lol:

  • Comment 231, posted at 21.09.15 17:17:13 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 227) :

    Dude, JS is the CEO of a large commercial orgnaisation.
    Of course he needs to look at that.

    The guy who has the remit to only consider rugby items is the DoR.

  • Comment 232, posted at 21.09.15 17:32:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 228) :

    Ironic hearing you call others septic.

  • Comment 233, posted at 21.09.15 17:33:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 231) :

    I dont need to convince you – its right in front of your eyes, should you care to look.

    Im not saying WeePee is particualrly great behind the scenes. Just so, so much better than the Sharks.

  • Comment 234, posted at 21.09.15 17:34:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • So wp confirmed this afternoon that Eddie Jones is the coach for super rugby. I think that’s f u timing and is in piss poor taste. I hope he runs from there because of the politics and wp administrators choke on it. Wp are such arrogant people who only take second place to the horrid all black hearts

  • Comment 235, posted at 21.09.15 18:30:35 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 232) : Dude, when John was appointed, our chairman said John is appointed for rugby reasons. John has also made himself part of every rugby decision at the Sharks. Everyone was up in arms when John was appointed, he had no skills nor qualifications to be a CEO. You don’t just become a CEO. He is failing at the rugby reasons.

  • Comment 236, posted at 21.09.15 18:32:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 236) :

    Ja bru, i appreciate what was said, but that doesnt suddenly change the role of a CEO in a commercial organisation.
    If the CEO isnt looking at the numbers, exactly who is?

    No arguments that he is failing.

  • Comment 237, posted at 21.09.15 19:14:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 235) :

    I think its masterful.
    I wonder (aloud) how much differently youd feel if it was the sharks that did that.

    As for choking… you actually need to reach the playoffs before that happens… lol

  • Comment 238, posted at 21.09.15 19:15:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 238) : You seem to feel rather chipper after today’s announcement :grin:

    …and yes, I – like most supporters out there – am very jealous.

  • Comment 239, posted at 21.09.15 19:19:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Only threads up on Sharksworld right now is how we keep losing and which players are leaving the Sharks, :shock: :roll: :cry:

  • Comment 240, posted at 21.09.15 19:57:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 240) : Well, the good news is: HM is not the Sharks’ coach

  • Comment 241, posted at 21.09.15 20:24:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 241) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 242, posted at 21.09.15 20:42:12 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I posed this interesting little conundrum earlier – if the Sharks were faced with a choice of coach as follows, who would you choose?:

    a) Gary “Good Luck” Gold
    b) Heneyke “Breaker of all the wrong records” Meyer
    c) No coach at all

  • Comment 243, posted at 21.09.15 21:32:54 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • From NZ Herald. I marvel at this coach’s intelligent approach.

    Jones – his mother is half Japanese and his wife is Japanese – took over Japan in 2012 and began to deal with the lack-of-size issue with their players. He even sought out football coach Pep Guardiola, Bayern Munich’s renowned boss who made his name as a player and manager at Barcelona, the Spanish giants who invented their own system of playing.

    Footnotes like this take on a new meaning after a result like the one in Brighton.

    Jones told the Kyodo News: “The soccer approach (involves) everything being done in preparation for the game and in order to be tactically aware.

    “I watched Bayern train and (thought) we can improve greatly with adjustments in the way we train. Rugby and soccer are very similar in that you always want to move the ball into space and Bayern Munich and (Guardiola’s) previous team Barcelona played the most fantastic passing game you have ever seen. The principles are exactly the same. The very best soccer teams vary their depth and formation in order to make the most of the space.”

    I am jealous the Stormers snagged him. Their chances of winning a maiden Super trophy just improved over the pathetic Sharks a thousand fold. But I see a silver lining:

    If we [Japan] make the quarter-finals then I can retire from coaching. I can be like Clive Woodward and tell everyone what to do on television. That’s my dream.”

    Go Japan!

  • Comment 244, posted at 21.09.15 21:48:35 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 177) : Meh…

  • Comment 245, posted at 21.09.15 21:50:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 180) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 246, posted at 21.09.15 21:52:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 187) : Maybe because how Mitch’s good mate Plum was treated?

  • Comment 247, posted at 21.09.15 21:58:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 190) : Once again I see you got to answer before I did… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 248, posted at 21.09.15 22:00:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 196) : How about Warren Gatland? What are his plans after the World Cup?

  • Comment 249, posted at 21.09.15 22:04:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 220) : Ah yes, that’s a good idea…defence in the pre-season! That would be nice…

  • Comment 250, posted at 21.09.15 22:13:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Clive Woodward
    Ewen McKenzie
    Robbie Deans
    Nick Mallet
    Joe Schmidt
    Graeme Henry

  • Comment 251, posted at 21.09.15 22:13:39 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 222) : Kakaka…

  • Comment 252, posted at 21.09.15 22:14:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 223) : The Crusaders could call themselves Apple…I’m not so sure the Stormers can… :mrgreen:
    But I get your point…

  • Comment 253, posted at 21.09.15 22:19:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 239) : Basically this…

  • Comment 254, posted at 21.09.15 22:24:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • So a number of the Gold apologists’myths have been busted today.

    First it was that there simply were no big name coaches around for the Sharks to contract. Eddie Jones laid that to rest.

    The second is that either (i) Gold cannot be blamed because he had no say in his assistants or (ii) that no top coach would want to come in and be saddled without his choice of assistants. Well … er… Eddie Jones has taken the job on the basis that Fleck and Treu remain in their positions.

    What other myths are to be busted until Gold is held accountable?

  • Comment 255, posted at 21.09.15 22:27:11 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 224) : Well done sir! :)

    If only the Boks could use humour as a defense mechanism against Samoa.

  • Comment 256, posted at 21.09.15 22:40:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 255) : Are you confusing the Sharks with the Stormers? They’re the team with the DoR and Coach that surprisingly, aren’t the same guy. Can you believe those idiots pay two different people to do two different jobs?

  • Comment 257, posted at 21.09.15 22:50:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I think all of you above are not wrong in what you say but I think its simply a crossing of paths ,that of a nation in ascendancy and the other in descendacy

  • Comment 258, posted at 21.09.15 23:40:46 by benji Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 257) : nah mate… Gold id our coach for Super Rugby… just as the previous DoR was…

  • Comment 259, posted at 22.09.15 00:32:58 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • The game of rugby is a simple one. In order to win one needs the key ingredients of PACE,POWER (note power is not BULK),PRECISION and VARIATION.

    It has been claimed on numerous occasion that experience wins world cups – that is incorrect. Experience, allied with youthful exuberance and form win knockout tournaments. ie. BALANCE

    PRECISION comes with time and is developed.

    POWER trumps bulk every time…look at a Michael Hooper’s ball carrying numbers vs a Willem Alberts.

    So with these ingredients in mind, a better team would have been.

    1. Kitshoff
    2. Brits/Bismarck/Strauss (not really concerned)
    3. Koch
    4. Etzebeth
    5. de Jager
    6. Brussow
    7. Vermeulen
    8. Whiteley
    9. Faf de Klerk/Vermaak
    10. Lambie (or Pollard if decision making improves)
    11. Mvovo
    12. de Allende
    13. Kriel
    14. Habs
    15. le ROux

    granted this team is low on the experience side, but it wouldnt be if the likes of Lambie, Vermaak,Kitshoff, Mvovo, Whiteley and Brussow were given the opportunities consistently like their form warranted.

    And also it’s just 1 option. If you throw in the likes of Jaco Kriel, Marcel Coetzee, Nyakane, PSDT I will be equally happy

  • Comment 260, posted at 22.09.15 06:04:01 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • Just a few interesting thoughts:
    1. Reading everything that Gert Smal has said and reading between the lines I suspect that they have been discussing the move with Eddie Jones since February. That means they were talking to him while Alistair Coetzee was still coach. That means they did exactly what the Sharks did by talking to Nick Mallet while Plum was still coach…they just obviously did it better…and Eddie Jones didn’t go shooting his mouth off to the press like Mallet did (schmuck!)
    2. @Orlok: Well, whatever the case is, there is now one less top coach available. I reckon the number of top coaches available is very limited. I also reckon WP were just much better at choosing the man they wanted, talking to him discreetly and finding a time to get him to them that suits everyone involved.

  • Comment 261, posted at 22.09.15 06:26:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 257) : Some people’s children are just idiots… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 262, posted at 22.09.15 06:27:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 154) : This little analysis proves your point (credit to Sean):

    Coach Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4

    Mallet 100% 92% 33% 38%

    White 69% 71% 42% 57%

    Snorre 68% 67% 57% 25%

    Meyer 67% 92% 69% 20%

    Average 76% 80% 50% 30%

  • Comment 263, posted at 22.09.15 06:32:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 259) : Never said Gold wasn’t? I actually stated that the Sharks don’t seem to make a distinction between DoR and head coach leading to the point that just because the Stormers get a new Head Coach doesn’t imply that the Sharks will.

  • Comment 264, posted at 22.09.15 07:25:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 263) : to me it looks as if the opposition work out what the team will do by year 3 and 4 and the coaches fails to adapt their strategies to stop this from happening so results drop during this time.

  • Comment 265, posted at 22.09.15 07:29:07 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 257) : ja boet just hope JS can sort it out before next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really not looking forward to another year like 2015!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 266, posted at 22.09.15 07:32:00 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 265) : That indeed seems to be the trend – just shows how rigid (or lazy/complacent/arrogant) our coaches are.

  • Comment 267, posted at 22.09.15 08:23:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 259) : Sorry you very confused. Gold was the 2015 Super rugby coach. he was appointed DOR and would coach ONLY the 2015 super rugby side as he became acquainted with the players and the fact that the sharks couldnt afford to hire 2 guys. After 2015 super rugby Gold is not meant to be doing ANY coaching. Panic struck just before the 2015 CC as the Sharks couldnt source a coach and didnt want to enter the comp with just those assistants so Gold was tasked with taking the team till a coach was found. Gold should not be coaching the 2016 super rugby side- he should be busy with his DOR role. However, should the sharks again not be able to find a coach as shock and horror durban isnt the preferred destination of every coach world wide then the Sharks will have to appoint a coach from within. Gary Gold hasnt been perfect but i wouldnt blame everything on him including the declining value of the rand

  • Comment 268, posted at 22.09.15 08:42:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 263) : Wow!! :shock:

  • Comment 269, posted at 22.09.15 08:45:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • You might enjoy this comparison http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/09/21/the-ottomans-of-south-africa-the-sick-man-of-rugby/

  • Comment 270, posted at 22.09.15 09:36:37 by StevieS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 268) : disagree with your analysis of what Gold is here to do. So the word was that the Sharks had attempted to appoint Grant Bashford as head coach for this CC. Put your hand on your heart and tell us that you honestly believe the intention was for Bashford to coach the Super Rugby team next year and not Gold…. no, just like with White, Gold would be responsible for the team with Bashford an assistant.

  • Comment 271, posted at 22.09.15 09:42:29 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 263) : puts it all in perspective doesn’t it. The other issue we have is that SARU are clearly a bit dof themselves so don’t expect them to even be aware of this or alter their recruitment process.

  • Comment 272, posted at 22.09.15 09:44:51 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 268) : Gold is here to coach my man. You seem desperate not to accept this. Are you a relative or friend by any chance?

  • Comment 273, posted at 22.09.15 09:46:36 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 271) : That is not the intention at all. Gold was signed as DOR..to do the SAME job Gert Smal is doing in CPT. U can believe your conspiracy theory though. Gold was not appointed to coach beyond 2015 super rugby.

  • Comment 274, posted at 22.09.15 09:49:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 271) : @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 273) : Seriously chap, its been brought up, with links and references enough times now. Do some reading yourself or rather find another drum to beat.

  • Comment 275, posted at 22.09.15 09:51:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 275) : Stop ruining the conspiracy theory… ;)

  • Comment 276, posted at 22.09.15 10:03:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • White was DoR and he coached… man you’re hellbent, you’re even calling it a conspiracy now :lol:

  • Comment 277, posted at 22.09.15 10:04:53 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Answer the Bashford question please :lol:

    Or are you going to suggest they were also going to recruit a head coach for our CC head coach, all working under Gold of course :lol:

  • Comment 278, posted at 22.09.15 10:07:27 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 270) : That is an amazing and humbling summation of the state of the Bok. Thanks for the read!

  • Comment 279, posted at 22.09.15 10:12:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 277) : Did White coach in the CC? NO! Was White meant to coach Super rugby in 2015- NO! They wanted Bashford to coach in the CC- nothing was said about the future…he said no so thats a useless argument. But believe what you want its your opinion

  • Comment 280, posted at 22.09.15 10:13:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It is sometimes amusing to follow these threads… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 281, posted at 22.09.15 11:14:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 279) : My pleasure. I felt the same way.

  • Comment 282, posted at 22.09.15 12:58:38 by StevieS Reply
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