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Stormers confirm Jones coup


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Stormers, Super Rugby on 22 Sep 2015 at 08:56
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Giant-killing Japanese national coach Eddie Jones – slayer of Springboks and humbler of heroes – will coach the Stormers in Super Rugby from 2016.

This long-mooted move was confirmed by WP Director of Rugby Gert Smal in a statement yesterday. “As I said from the start (of our search for a coach), this has been a thorough process, which saw me look both internally and externally,” Smal told the Stormers website. “Eddie was always on my mind in terms of potential external candidates and it’s a massive coup that we have signed a coach of his ability – really, his coaching credentials and achievements do speak for themselves.

“I really enjoyed our interactions and working with Eddie during the 2007 World Cup, he can add even more value here – both in terms of pushing for trophies and, importantly, in helping the continued development of our coaches and players.”

“Our Director of Rugby, Mr Gert Smal, always promised that he would deliver the best and in Eddie Jones I am more than satisfied that we have appointed the best coach to take over the reins of the DHL Stormers,” added Union President Thelo Wakefield. “Eddie is no stranger to South African Rugby and we look forward to making him feel welcome and ensuring that he brings more silverware to DHL Newlands.”

What truly joyous news….



54 Comments

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  • Comment 1, posted at 22.09.15 09:01:13 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Things could go from worse to terrible for us next year…

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.09.15 09:06:56 by HeinF Reply

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  • Not a peep out of the Sharks camp yet who our coach will be. Seems then all the more likely they just going to stick it out with Gary-taking-positives-Gold. Sigh. :???:

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.09.15 09:07:53 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Good news if you are a WP fan, bad news if you are not.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.09.15 09:10:13 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 3) : That would be a complete fail as we then end up with no DOR and a coach that doesnt really want to coach but fulfill his DOR role he signed on for. Unhappiness all round…

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.09.15 09:10:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Oh what a wierd idea union president selects the director of rugby who in turn selects a coach (rather then our system of union president selects a DOR who becomes the coach because no one else has selected one)… this is a novel approach (I wonder if it will ever catch on or just be a passing fanatical fad done by some guy on a whim) we should maybe give it a try you know test the waters and what not… or maybe we should continue getting DOR/Coach then move them to DOR for a while then push them off for a new DOR/Coach and continue the cycle because sooner or later it has to work.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.09.15 09:11:22 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : @Warren Harvey (Comment 6) : We desperately need a good coach!

    Can’t we poach Dobson or maybe Nollis Marais???

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.09.15 09:13:18 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 7) : I dont think the Bulls will let Marais go easily. Dobson would be my choice to be pursuaded…especially now after Jones been appointed- he may be vulnerable to suggestion. If we wait till Dec WP will have him locked in

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.09.15 09:17:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 7) : Well Dobson should be avail with Jones coming in… but Management need to decide what kind of rugby is sharks rugby (I know some people hate it but I enjoy watching the strong defense and score with counter attacking what we had of old, as Natal has always had the grunt workers to defend and put pressure backed by fast back-line players… this kick and pray or bash the first channel stuff is far from effective and exciting). then we need to find coaches that have a successful CV with the selected style of play and then we can build up to be a force to be reckoned with again.

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.09.15 09:22:50 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 7) : No. If Dobson was that good Province would have given him the role. We need to stop this inferior mentality. No, we want a world class coach.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.09.15 09:30:30 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Desperate times :lol:

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.09.15 09:37:18 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : Much like our current CC state of affairs…

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.09.15 09:40:44 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 10) : U need a world class setup to attract a world class coach. Not a patchwork setup with a history of firing coaches of late.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.09.15 09:40:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I doubt you guys could get Dobson, he was signed up as the CurrieCup coach with the view of taking over Super Rugby in 2 or 3 years time. This dude is part of a succession plan and I think he buys into it wholeheartedly

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.09.15 09:41:19 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 12) : Yeh basically. Had a very interesting talk from the Sharks techincal analyst last nite

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.09.15 09:42:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 14) : But he can swim in the sea here ;)

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.09.15 09:43:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : Oh? Would love to hear more of this…

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.09.15 09:45:18 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : Here he is part of a winning setup ????

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.09.15 09:45:45 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : Here he is part of a winning setup ????

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.09.15 09:46:26 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • That was supposed to be a smiley at he end

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.09.15 09:46:51 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 10) : Always wished we could get Plum back as forwards coach and Campo as a backline coach!

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.09.15 09:50:18 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 19) : Meh who needs a winning environment when u can swim in the sea

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.09.15 09:52:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.09.15 09:56:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 17) : Well before i continue let me just say everything is Gary golds fault. Right now thats out the way he was talking about how the sharks use analysis to evaluate performance and what key indicators they look for to measure performance etc. It really is quite insane the amount of info they get after each game on both the team and individual- they can rank the players and see who is the first arriving player at each ruck over the game-its Kleinhans by a long way, with Thomas DuToit second (thats based on the last Lions game). He spoke of the value of continuity and how the patch the sharks are going through now is a result of all the changes over the last 24months. He spoke about getting familiarity amongst the players and also between the players and coaching/conditioning staff…some guys are so new that they havnt built up a conditioning history for them to evaluate. So basically im sure we were pretty aware of the above. What i wasnt aware of is that he said that the sharks error rate is not higher than is has been in the past couple seasons but the outcome of those errors have been a lot more costly than they have in the past. So he used an example where a lost lineout on halfway in the past would result in opposition having possession for a number of phases but didnt result in a score. Where as the same turnover this year more often than not resulted in a 3 or 5 point deficit.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.09.15 10:00:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 10) : Possibly correct but it could also be that they believe that Dobson doesn’t fit in well with the culture they wish to follow at WP. but at the end of the day the powers that be need to figure out how they want to go forward and who is the best to take them there… even an inexperienced coach with the right game plan and ability to inspire his charges is better that no coach at all or an coach whose natural game plan is not that of the club.

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.09.15 10:07:41 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • Basically our defence sucks but we already knew that.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.09.15 10:11:01 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Congrats Stormers on what seems to be a great signing. I do think the timing of the announcement though shows a bit of a a lack of class.

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.09.15 10:15:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : Does that ultimately imply that our defence is shaky because I think we picked up on that? :grin:

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.09.15 10:15:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 27) : We’re in a danger of a pot/kettle situation here. I wouldn’t put it past the Sharks to do exactly the same.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.09.15 10:16:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 3) : Well lhopefully if we have signed one it will only be after he has completed his world cup campaign. I cant imagine any incumbent coach appreciating these announcements on the eve of his next major game.

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.09.15 10:17:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 28) : um yes to a degree. Teams are getting a lot better at scoring points off a turnover like the sharks used to. It also points to refs being a lot harsher on teams scrambling to defend a linebreak etc. and then lastly he pointed to the Sharks scrambling defense not being as effective as it used to be.

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.09.15 10:22:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I cannot begin to tell you the pages and clips of stats that they get the day after the game, it really is quite amazing what technology can produce. For every stat there is a video attached to it from 3 different angles

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.09.15 10:26:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : Yep. Look the timing, from the Stormers point of view, couldnt have been better, but I doubt the coach and the Japanese team appreciate it very much.

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.09.15 10:29:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : I know this sounds silly but is that valid feedback for the players. Pages of stats and videos of failings are important bits of info but surly analysts should look at it and then feed back failings to a coach then the coach looks at what can be rectified and comes up with instructions/advice to give the players so they problem can be rectified. I mean if all the stats refer to a weak scramble defense/weak defensive line then all the player requires as feed back is “defence was shocking we are bunching up here when opposition does this we should do this… in these session we going to do scenarios” and run them through scenarios which they had issues with and empower them to make the right decisions.

    Dont get me wrong I am probably over simplifying it but the beauty of the rugby is you train till what is required becomes second nature and you don’t need to “think” about where should I be and what should i do you should be reacting to the circumstances on the field and adapting as required.

    point in case NZ vs Arg. NZ were put under pressure and their first instinct was to leave the rucks and mauls and form strong pillar post defense for channel 1/2 and only after chatting to the coach at half time did they really manage to change to a game plan that worked . I bet that NZ have had tons of Video analysis meetings with the staff after an SA game and they discussed this as a go to method to stop us (because lets be honest that defensive style would have shut us out and broken an SA side with current mentality) but if the guys were drilled on several scenarios and they had a toolkit of defenses and knew instinctively which scenario to use them then they would have adapted on the field without a coach pushing them.

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.09.15 10:50:59 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 34) : unfortunately here the Boks were shown up us not well drilled as on both Japan tries our players were caught out of defensive positions and made poor judgments.

    did anyone else see the swipe Mallet took at FdP last night? He showed how Coenie outsprinted FdP in the leadup to the first Japan try.

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.09.15 10:56:21 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 34) : Yeh look the players dont see half the stats that are available…although some guys do ask to see more. The analyst has to give a report to the coaching staff based on the performance indicators discussed beforehand and then any specifics they ask for- most ask for all the set pieces and the rucks where we lost possession. The players are shown a combo of their good and bad stats and where they are or are not pulling in the intended direction. But stats are just an indication of history- it doesnt mean you will necessarily correct it the next time or the time after that but hopefully by the 3rd time you will. Again thats a simplified explanation. The overriding point was that the players and staff are fed this info and are taking steps to correct but how quick the learning curve is, is anyones guess really. He did point out that more stable teams due have a quicker learning curve than newer assembled teams as everyone knows their part better in the stable environment.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.09.15 10:57:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : Awesome Sheldon, thanks for that. And yes, it does confirm a couple of things we have been speaking about for a while now. What is interesting is the error rate you speak about and that it is not more than previous years. The difference then seem to be poor defence. Where previously we could make an error, and still defend so it doesn’t result in points against us. Now not so much. But this is what amazes me, as Gold, BV and everybody keep saying that we need to improve in our defence and this is a area we need to look at etc.. yet the results show other wise? If we can get our defence right, not leak as many points as we currently do, then the fight is already halfway won and the results will come. But get the defence right first! Before focusing on playing “attractive” rugby that the fans will enjoy. You know what we will enjoy? WINNING. Plain and simple.

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.09.15 11:02:57 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 37) : The difficult thing is training scramble defense as it relies on players mindset and dogged determination not to let the opposition score. So defense off first,second and sometimes even third phase can be practised but its a lot harder to practice for a line break and how to defend that. It requires the correct personnel to be sweeping in behind the defensive line and their ability to make that tackle. And well to be fair the scrumhalves and fullbacks we have at the sharks are not the best at defending those line breaks and allowing the other guys to get back and effect that scramble defense. So that combined with teams being a lot more clinical in their turn over attacks and the refs a lot harsher on ‘recovering’ teams has led to some bad situations for the sharks.

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.09.15 11:13:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : Agree. And that is why the Stormers defence was so good in previous years. They scrambled excellently. And I think they still do, though not as good as in the past. I think it was a season or 2 ago that they conceded the fewest points, and we accumulated the most. When we met each other the headline read something like: what happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object. It was brilliant. We won though. We broke their defence though our subperb attack. Glory days. In any case, those days they were the kings of scramble.

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.09.15 11:42:13 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 39) : Its an area where the Boks are not good at the moment too. Playing Hougaard at 9 significantly improves a teams scramble defense. Charl McCloed was good at it too. As is Whitely for that matter.

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.09.15 11:56:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 37) : @SheldonK (Comment 38) :

    I think it was Nienaber who put that awesome defence in place.

    Yet now he’s Bok defensive coach?

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.09.15 12:10:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 41) : U need good quality bricks to build a house…

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.09.15 12:37:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 41) : Yes it was Nienaber.

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.09.15 12:51:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) :

    Hehe, true dat.

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.09.15 13:18:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 44) : Its not often you pick guys on their defensive ability but rather what they can do on attack. I call it the Real Madrid approach- if they score 5 we will try score 7

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.09.15 13:22:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Like the Bulls when they were winning Super Rugby. No matter how many points opponents scored, they just scored more. (Most of the time)

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.09.15 14:36:09 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 41) : Nienabar isnt even the Bok defence coach, John McFarland is.

    Not sure how they ended up that way

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.09.15 14:43:05 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : @JarsonX (Comment 46) : This is an interesting approach if you have the players to pull it off.

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.09.15 14:52:51 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 48) : im not a fan of it to be honest. Im perhaps a bit old school in that i think a team should defend its line with everything it has. To let a try in is to lose.

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.09.15 14:59:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I would say that SA has 3 main schools of thought with styles of rugby.

    1> We will out attack (aka Bulls/Lions)
    2> We will out defend (aka WP)
    3> Blend of both counter attack(aka sharks… well sharks from 1990 -> Plumtree left.

    I believe sharks are best when playing this style, in the beginning it was maybe because of lack of forwards to dominate opposition so Macintosh decided rather than hitting our heads against a brick wall defend with the drift defense and counter attack when ever the opportunity presented, this just became the way we did things, and to be honest Natal was one of the few teams who could win games without much possession. It is also powerful weapon against the other two methodologies (obviously every dog has its day and the best tactic doesn’t win) but the reason its works is because its unstructured on attack which is hard to combat at best.

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.09.15 15:10:36 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 47) :

    Heyneke Meyer. Thats how. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.09.15 15:18:15 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 50) : Very true.

    What do the Sharks do lately when they turn the ball over? Kick the bloody thing away, that’s what they do. :roll:

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.09.15 15:28:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 52) : I wont lie as effective as “hope the guy catching the ball knocks on or stuffs up his touch finder” is meant to be it should be outlawed somehow by the IRB, maybe make the mark (but a proper mark) available anywhere in your own half.

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.09.15 15:49:40 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • Now imagine if the timing of this apointment had been made yesterday or today – not the same effect at all.

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.09.15 09:02:22 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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